00:00:46 offby1: Quite. 00:00:53 cky: Disabling it is not a great idea. 00:01:09 Makes your eye sores go away, which is fine just until you lose some text. 00:01:27 Instead, you can just make them all go into a different directory. 00:01:30 Much better. 00:01:38 eli: Then you just "git checkout -- lostfile" and start over, right? :-) 00:01:45 eli: Yes, that's a possibility too. 00:03:16 What I'd like to see: auto-commit on every save. 00:03:22 cky: Do you commit every file you ever open every time time you save? 00:03:29 Jinx! 00:03:29 :-P 00:03:42 So all your files are in repositories? 00:03:53 (define a (g 7)) 00:03:59 I try to keep all files of any importance in repositories, yes. 00:04:04 does that define a function a that has no parameters? 00:04:14 yates: No, (define (a) (g 7)) is though. 00:04:26 cky: what does the above do then? 00:04:38 it runs 00:04:39 yates: (define a (g 7)) defines a to be the result of running (g 7). 00:04:56 Unless (g 7) returns a lambda, though, a won't be a function. 00:05:08 it does 00:05:20 Well then. 00:05:22 looking at the scheme code here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function 00:06:05 i've been studying cl for a few weeks and forgot the syntax for schemes function definitions 00:06:35 The cool thing about git is that you can use "git rebase" to squash together revisions. 00:06:54 hypercube32 [~hypercube@158.102.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:06:54 So, the idea of auto-commit-on-every-save is actually quite workable in git. 00:07:13 cky: So I take it that not all your files are in repos, and that you don't commit on every save. 00:07:31 eli: I'm working towards it. 00:07:38 Doing such a hook can be hairy, if you want to deal with conflicts, etc. 00:07:50 Also, it'll be inconvenient to squash all these commits all the time. 00:08:09 -!- choas [~lars@p5792C3D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:08:16 I don't know how inconvenient it'll be in the long run. Sure, when I'm learning to do it, it'll be a pain. 00:08:22 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 00:08:35 In contrast, autosave files are a very simple and very effective facility. 00:08:41 But, like, learning Scheme was a pain initially too, and once one gets past it, it got better. So I guess I have to find out if doing this system is going to work out, too. 00:08:51 And when you deal with a backup system, you must have something that is very reliable. 00:09:30 In the meanwhile, actually recommending to other people to disable autosave files is not a great idea. 00:10:20 I don't think I actually went as far as recommending it per se; I was only remarking on what my current practice is. However, I will take your point. 00:11:21 cky: well, you referred to it as "my most useful customisations"... 00:12:43 When I say "my most useful", I was thinking of "most useful to me", but I understand it could be misread. 00:13:09 And since I dislike seeing all the *~ files, it indeed is useful to me to not have to see them. 00:13:40 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:59 (I'm also one of those people who, back when I used Windows, always deleted files using Shift-Delete (direct deletion without going through Recycle Bin), just so I don't have to remember to clear it.) 00:14:41 I haven't gone quite as far as doing alias rm="rm -f" though, and probably will never. 00:34:10 karlw [karlw@SDF.ORG] has joined #scheme 00:36:14 What's a good Gnome debugger? 00:37:51 ddd 00:37:53 :-P 00:38:16 Hahaha, I see ddd is a Motif program, not Gnome. Oh well. 00:39:04 I mean for using Scheme to manipulate Gnome desktop applications. 00:42:16 So, e.g., I can control my applications with scripts and .so injection. 00:43:36 Liker, say, (load "stdio.so") (printf "Hello, world\n") 00:46:03 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@188-126-70-108.cust.vpntunnel.org] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 00:47:59 -!- karlw [karlw@SDF.ORG] has left #scheme 00:49:13 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@158.102.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:23 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:56:50 mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 01:00:59 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-33.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:08:46 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:15:08 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@178.73.206.11] has joined #scheme 01:16:58 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@178.73.206.11] has left #scheme 01:19:28 what does this mean? O(n^2) 01:19:41 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: movie] 01:20:23 Axsuul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_O_notation 01:20:38 Thanks 01:28:18 cky: This is why I mentioned the ability to have the backups saved in a different directory. (BTW, I S-delete files on windows too.) 01:28:46 eli: Indeed, I find that _much_ more palatable, and I appreciate your mentioning it. :-) 01:28:49 And re `rm' -- you don't need to alias that, it's the default. It's the distros that usually alias it to `rm -i'. 01:29:29 Actually, there's a difference between rm and rm -f: if you are deleting files that you don't have write permission for (but you have write permission for the containing directory), rm will usually prompt for confirmation. 01:29:58 rm -f will suppress even that. 01:31:56 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-40-104.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 01:39:14 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:42:35 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:13:16 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 02:18:08 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:24:03 jengle [~jengle@69.0.39.75] has joined #scheme 02:26:03 -!- jengle [~jengle@69.0.39.75] has left #scheme 02:26:20 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:58 DrDuck [~duck@207-181-195-200.c3-0.mart-ubr1.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:33:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-180.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:35:05 -!- jao [~jao@90.163.111.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:47:20 -!- abstractj [~shadow_wa@187.56.174.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:32 -!- pumpkin [~pumpkin@173-9-125-129-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:39 grettke [~grettke@cpe-65-30-30-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:23:03 xwl [~user@117.79.83.170] has joined #scheme 03:24:57 ldunn [~ldunn@d110-32-142-183.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 03:24:57 -!- ldunn [~ldunn@d110-32-142-183.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:24:57 ldunn [~ldunn@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #scheme 03:27:02 SirNick [~nick@c-67-160-151-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:29:15 -!- DrDuck [~duck@207-181-195-200.c3-0.mart-ubr1.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:42 Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-51-173.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:53 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 03:46:20 bgs100_ [~ian@h140.44.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #scheme 03:47:49 -!- somers [~jsomers@cpe-69-203-73-44.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:26 somers [~jsomers@cpe-69-203-73-44.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:49:07 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:55 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51:27 gnomon [~gnomon@174.119.236.153] has joined #scheme 03:51:46 -!- grettke [~grettke@cpe-65-30-30-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:52:16 -!- SirNick [~nick@c-67-160-151-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:54:12 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-rsyltzzpexbfdrhi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:30 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-dfoclxmkdsxppjhh] has joined #scheme 03:55:58 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176203052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:41 -!- yates [~yates@nc-76-3-105-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 04:10:01 timj_ [~timj@e176193127.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:12:56 -!- Azuvix [~Azuvix@174-27-51-173.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:14:08 -!- ldunn [~ldunn@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:31 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:18:08 abstractj [~shadow_wa@187.56.174.29] has joined #scheme 04:26:30 -!- abstractj [~shadow_wa@187.56.174.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:28 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:54:26 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:09:27 seangrove [~user@173-126-13-53.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #scheme 05:10:08 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@143-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:10:21 -!- Axsuul [~someone@97-93-99-133.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:27 -!- somers [~jsomers@cpe-69-203-73-44.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26:56 In Racket, is there a way to dispatch on structures? 05:27:19 And by structures I mean struct's 05:29:12 Ala https://gist.github.com/675935? 05:31:42 rudybot: (struct foo (x y)) 05:31:45 eli: your sandbox is ready 05:31:45 eli: error: eval:1:0: struct: illegal use of signature form in: (struct foo (x y)) 05:31:55 rudybot: init racket 05:31:56 eli: your racket sandbox is ready 05:31:57 rudybot: (struct foo (x y)) 05:31:58 -!- seangrove [~user@173-126-13-53.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:31:59 eli: Done. 05:32:02 rudybot: (define (add x) (match x [(foo x y) (+ x y)])) 05:32:03 eli: Done. 05:32:07 rudybot: (add (foo 1 2)) 05:32:07 eli: ; Value: 3 05:32:13 danking: ^ 05:35:03 eli: You're the best. 05:36:50 SirNick [~nick@c-67-160-151-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:38:11 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-40-104.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:40:07 danking: What are you doing with it, BTW? 05:49:42 Anybody knows anything about wikis? 05:49:54 eli: I'm in a half sleep-deprived attempt at writing a "translator" from some subset of Scheme to JavaScript. Mostly, I saw CoffeeScript and thought "How Neat! If only it didn't use Ruby syntax...". Lots of your PL class knowledge being applied here. Right now I'm shooting for just defines, lambdas, and basic values. Hopefully I'll support Scheme identifier syntax (dashes, angle brackets, etc.) later. This could turn into an allnighter. 05:51:56 danking: Ugh, if you'd have something that does a JS-ish syntax for scheme I could use that in class... 05:57:33 eli: You're refering to something that goes from Scheme S-Exps to JS C-syntax? 05:57:38 Or the other way? 05:58:23 The other way. 06:02:15 I suppose it'd be instructive to see the conversion. 06:02:35 I'd rather never have to see JS-ish syntax though :P 06:04:34 Well, you know how most people take any sexpr-ish syntax -- using a JS-ish can help in making sure that those kind of complaints become clearly bogus. 06:08:14 Hmm. 06:08:18 Could be a fun little project. 06:11:07 Seemingly easier that Scheme->JS, but dealing with concrete syntax can be hellish. 06:12:24 I thought PLaneT has a JSON library. 06:12:35 You could probably use that to easily generate JS-ish. 06:12:53 Albeit only for data types supported by JSON of course. 06:13:50 eli: Also, what's your question about wikis? I've used wikis some, but would not claim to be any sort of expert of course. 06:15:20 cky: Already answered on #wiki -- 06:15:35 Nice. :-) 06:15:51 I tried two wikis, and in both it looks like they just ignore simultaneous edits. 06:16:10 So if I start editing a page, then you start, change, and save, then I save, then your changes are gone. 06:16:16 Yipes! 06:16:20 And I don't get any warning about doing that. 06:16:24 I wish they support three-way merges. 06:16:41 Stack Overflow has an AJAX thing that tries to warn you if someone saves during the middle of your edit. 06:17:09 But, of course, that's not as ideal as merges, of course. 06:17:16 Doing that can be problematic too -- how do you know that someone edits the page? 06:17:40 In the case of SO, you don't know---you only know when they save (and you are in the middle of an edit). 06:18:07 What you're supposed to do in that case is beyond my understanding. :-) 06:18:09 Yes, so if I open a page for editing there's no way to tell if I closed my browser. 06:18:14 In any case, the ones I tried were wikipedia and github, both ignored it silently. 06:18:27 And the answer that I got is that it's just due to ignorance... 06:18:29 *nods* 06:18:47 And then I was referred to moinmoin that deals with it: 06:18:57 -!- tupi [~david@186.205.37.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:19:07 when I save I get a conflict, with text that shows my edits vs the new version. 06:19:38 It also tells you when you start editing that others will be warned about it until . 06:20:17 Handy. 06:20:32 It doesn't actually deal with whether you'll conclude your edit, of course. 06:20:46 Maybe next-generation wikis need to deal with it Writely-style. 06:21:09 (Writely being the product that got bought out by Google and turned into Google Documents, of course.) 06:21:41 The way it looked, it probably does try a merge first. (I just tried it with two edits in the same place.) 06:21:52 What's the writely style? 06:21:56 What do you folks do when you want to install scheme on a machine that has 256 MB of RAM or less? 06:22:27 Writely is very Ajax-heavy. It shows you a document that gets updated in real time. Like, if someone is editing the document at the same time, it shows you the region they're editing, along with the changes as they come in. 06:22:58 I've actually never used Writely pre-Google-acquisition, but I've used Google Documents, and I know that's how the latter behaves. 06:23:20 cky: I don't think that this is a google docs thing, AFAICT, it started doing this based on their experience with google wave. 06:23:36 Hmmm. 06:25:33 askhader: Funny you should ask. I heard that John Rose (dynamic languages overlord at Sun^WOracle) once implemented a Scheme implementation called esh that's supposed to be good for embedded stuff, but, it was never released outside of Sun. 06:25:55 And now with Oracle in charge, I don't suppose it will ever get released to the public. 06:27:44 256 MB RAM suggests `embedded'?? 06:28:05 Kids these days, eh? ;) 06:28:21 No, but if an implementation is designed for embedded use, then 256MB would be a breeze to support, right? 06:28:28 But otherwise I'm out of luck if I want to use scheme on this machine? 06:28:31 What Scheme system these days won't run happily with 256 MB RAM? 06:29:31 MIT Scheme with the C back end won't, perhaps, but only because of the resources GCC takes to compile the C code. 06:30:03 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.149.109] has joined #scheme 06:30:17 That said, the last PowerPC I ran it on had only something like 512 or 768 MB of RAM. 06:31:41 The laptop I'm using right now has only 512 MB of RAM. (MIT Scheme generates native x86 code here.) 06:32:14 PLT Scheme 06:32:31 Well actually, it's racket but that's just because I cannot find a build of scheme. 06:32:57 Racket is the new name for PLT Scheme. Does it seriously require more than 256 MB of RAM to run? 06:33:11 -!- xwl [~user@117.79.83.170] has left #scheme 06:33:18 Well, my installer crashes and it has been conjectured this is the problem 06:33:22 During 'make install' 06:33:53 How does it crash? What is the precise nature of the conjecture? 06:34:07 'raco step: made: afm' 06:34:08 Riastradh: No, but DrRacket likely does. 06:34:20 So I have 'make install' running in a screen session 06:34:37 The entire machine slows to a crawl and then the screen session crashes. 06:34:45 Perhaps I ought not to run it in screen. Hmm 06:34:50 *screen* crashes?? 06:35:01 Presumably /everything/ does? 06:35:16 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: I'm big in Japan] 06:35:20 It probably got OOM-killed rather than crashed. 06:35:39 Well, I suppose if this is Linux, and you run out of memory, then the oom-killer will go on a random murderous rampage. 06:35:46 That. 06:35:53 Yeah. 06:35:55 Sounds like it. 06:36:05 I attempted it twice, same behavior in each case. 06:36:12 askhader: Compiling is intense, because it basically loads huge chunks of code, but if you get a prebuilt distribution a 256mb shouldn't be a big problem. 06:36:41 So a binary? 06:40:53 Are these readily available? 06:41:13 Or just build it on a similar enough machine with moar ram? 06:41:22 Um... 06:41:37 Go to racket-lang.org, and click the big button that says "download". 06:42:05 Hm. 06:42:09 I neglected to mention that I'm on centOS 06:42:20 askhader: You can probably get away with using a Fedora Core build. 06:42:31 Hm 06:42:33 Worth a try 06:42:41 I mean, both are derived from Red Hat. :-P 06:43:02 Yes, I'd suggest the same. 06:43:02 eli: I am aware of the location of binaries for other distributions and if not from the download page on racket-lang.org then from where do you suspect i got the source for racket in the first placed? 06:43:20 Perhaps I ought to have mention that I'm using centOS in the first place. 06:44:25 QOTD. CentOS is a server-class distro. Why are you using it on a 256MB machine? Are you, like, on JohnCompanies or Slicehost or something? :-P 06:44:39 askhader: The linux distributions are what distributions they happened to be compiled on, and often the installer for one linux variant will work on others. 06:44:41 (Or Amazon EC2, ...you get the idea.) 06:44:59 It something that isn't obvious for many people, for some reason. 06:45:29 eli: You don't want to use it on a distro that's _too_ different, just because of shared library versioning differences. 06:45:38 (Unless Racket uses no shared libraries beyond libc. But that's unlikely.) 06:46:10 cky: Yes, I know, but many people won't even try. 06:46:19 True. *nods* 06:53:37 I was not aware that Fedora was isomorphic to Red Hat. 06:53:44 So it didn't occur to me to attempt it. 06:56:17 askhader: Think of Fedora as "Red Hat Community Edition". :-P 06:57:21 Sorry, I was not aware centOs was isomorphic to Fedora is what I meant. 07:00:31 Hahahaha. 07:01:08 CentOS == "I-don't-want-to-pay-Red-Hat edition" 07:08:09 -!- SirNick [~nick@c-67-160-151-16.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:09:02 heh 07:12:57 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-dfoclxmkdsxppjhh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:15 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-fayhosryaxxjfutv] has joined #scheme 07:22:45 zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:23:30 askhader: IIRC, first there was redhat, then they split it into fedora which is the free community thing and redhat turned into a server oriented thing, and then centos was started as a free server-centric derivative of fedora. 07:23:35 So they're all pretty close. 07:24:01 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:24:34 foof: ping 07:27:24 hey 07:28:44 Are you going to go on closing tickets, or have you closed all the ones that we're done with? 07:28:54 I've closed the ones we're done with. 07:29:37 I'm settled down in Mountain View now and mostly over my jet lag. Being away from the gf and kittens I actually have more time now :) 07:30:04 Quite. 07:31:09 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.149.109] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:31:10 So byte(-)vectors/blobs is still open even though there's a strong winner? 07:31:51 yep 07:32:02 What's the rationale for that? 07:32:30 I never saw what was "controversial" about it anyway, other than the name (which is #85) 07:32:32 It wasn't up for finalization. Everyone assumed that, so there votes may not have been as serious (mine certainly wasn't). 07:32:54 *jcowan* nods. 07:33:29 Fair enough. 07:35:47 I'm going to have to go through and make sure there are tickets for all my pre-WG proposals. 07:35:56 A lot of them are there, but maybe not quite all. 07:36:41 Please do! 07:41:05 I will. 07:41:20 What do you think about #87, multiple producers in call-with-values? I don't think we've discussed that one. 07:41:41 Oh, nm, yes we did. 07:45:36 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:47:59 So I can assume that all the closed issues are truly final, and vice versa? I'm going to announce to scheme-reports@. 07:53:15 Yes. When we actually have a draft for perusal I'm expecting a lot of feedback from the Scheme community. 07:53:33 I think it's reasonable to take that feedback into account, and maybe re-open issues. 07:53:50 Sure. 07:53:51 I *don't* want us to re-open just among ourselves. 07:54:09 I really want the next ballot to be a totally separate ballot, though, free of all the closed items. 07:54:17 Otherwise, if the vote comes out differently on them, we'll have to revise. 07:54:22 And that will get messy. 07:54:54 It will be. 07:55:25 Again, last time was just an extension, not a new ballot. 07:56:45 Good. 07:57:27 I'm trying what to decide what to do in WG2 about the things that got an equal number of votes for WG2 and "WG3". Should I just present those two options and no others? Some people did vote against considering them at all. 07:57:42 It may not matter much, because I think it will be a while before the SC creates a WG3. 07:57:49 But I'd like to have them cleaned up. 07:58:24 Well, from a WG1 perspective, there is no WG3, there's just a "later, please." 07:58:45 Sure. I just need to eliminate the deadlock. 07:58:56 (in the standard, not the CS, sense of the term) 08:00:43 But basically, WG1 just sent recommendation to WG2, and since WG2 already considered the issue and decided to push it back to WG3 that decision should stay. 08:00:56 Right, those aren't problematic. 08:01:03 It's where WG2 split equally on considering it or pushing it on. 08:01:38 I mean, I could just ask for a straight consider/push on/reject vote, but I already *had* that. 08:02:00 Normally something with an equal number of votes fails, but what counts as "failure" here? 08:03:14 Bring that up on the WG2 list. 08:03:28 Fair enough. 08:03:43 *jcowan* buggers off. 08:03:47 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:04:15 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@174.119.236.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04:32 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 08:22:43 -!- xwl_ 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