00:02:15 jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 00:05:27 Walt_ [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #scheme 00:08:19 -!- Walt [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:13:01 -!- jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe_] 00:15:06 Walt [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #scheme 00:17:17 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p57B59F1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:31 -!- Walt_ [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:32 -!- abstractj [~shadow_wa@187.56.174.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:46 mmc [~michal@cs27120227.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 00:26:51 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.233.61] has joined #scheme 00:38:40 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 00:39:16 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:52 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.233.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:11 i'm translating some C into scheme, and it would be nice to have a CASE that evaluates its s; i.e. this: 00:44:15 incubot: (case 1 (((*)) 'yes) (else 'no)) 00:44:15 no 00:44:18 instead of this: 00:44:21 incubot: (cond ((= 1 (*)) 'yes) (else 'no)) 00:44:21 yes 00:45:58 it could be that i'm suffering, on the other hand, from some C-induced brain-damage; and can't recall a more idiomatic scheme approach. 00:46:45 it boils down to tabulated dispatch; so an implementation-dependent ALIST-REF with appropriate comparator and default might work just as well. 00:46:46 er... does C do that? 00:47:20 klutometis, make one! 00:47:21 turbofail: oh, good point; maybe it doesn't. one way to find out. 00:47:38 #. is your friend, too 00:48:08 Fare: exactly; seems like one of those things that might have been done, though. will do. 00:48:13 #. forces evaluation? 00:48:34 oh wait, this is scheme, not CL. 00:49:31 heh 00:49:35 well, you can still write your macro that does it. or put everything in a big (eval `(begin ...)) then use , to replace #. 00:50:06 though, really, the right thing is to write a macro. 00:50:09 indeed. 01:04:35 -!- Caleb-- [~caleb@bzq-79-182-5-16.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:08:25 Fare: this is cool; using chicken's reader extensions, you can simulate #. with e.g. @: 01:08:29 incubot: (set-read-syntax! #\@(lambda (port) (eval (read port)))) (case 4 ((@(+ 2 2)) 'yes) (else 'no)) 01:08:30 yes 01:09:44 thank the olympian gods (and felix; or whoever wrote the reader extensions) 01:11:28 the Norse gods would like to have a word with you in the land of the ice and snow. 01:11:39 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:13:34 aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #scheme 01:13:47 Adamant: speaking of which, i had no idea immigrant song had a riff in f# phrygian; that's esoteric shit. 01:14:12 Gah! 01:14:15 #. is nobody's friend! 01:14:24 I'm not up on my music theory these days, I was only a player of muzak 01:14:27 Fare, you should be ashamed of yourself! 01:14:48 Riastradh, I have ghetto friends, OK? 01:14:51 but anything phyrgian sounds pretty funky 01:15:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 01:17:31 Adamant: ``This scale . . . was given the ethnic name "Phrygian" after the "unbounded, ecstatic peoples of the wild, mountainous regions of the Anatolian highlands."'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_mode 01:17:40 i find that kind of funny, for some reason. 01:18:06 Riastradh: do you approve or disapprove of the prenominate hack? 01:18:23 yeah, Turks can get a little rowdy in the modern day, but I don't see them as "unbounded, esctatic" 01:18:35 of course it wasn't Turks there at that point 01:19:07 Write a macro, klutometis. 01:19:17 Riastradh: very well 01:19:27 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:20:24 In T this macro was called SELECT. (There was also XCOND, XCASE, and XSELECT, for versiosn that had no ELSE but would signal an error if no clause matched. In Common Lisp the `X' is spelt `E', but there is no SELECT, and one usually instead uses TYPECASE with some horrible way to put an evaluated expression into the notation.) 01:22:14 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 01:22:29 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: I'm big in Japan] 01:22:46 cipher [~cipher@c-76-24-16-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:24:59 Riastradh: T may qualify as the least googlable language i've come across; i did find instances of XCOND and XCASE here, though: http://mumble.net/~campbell/t/t-synclo/expand.t 01:25:59 klutometis: they were done in by Cimmerians? Crom will be pleased, at least. 01:27:18 Adamant: that's interesting; where'd you find that? 01:27:39 WikiInaccuracy 01:28:12 klutometis: http://people.csail.mit.edu/riastradh/t/tman.pdf 01:28:35 (tman.tar.gz for the TeX sources. Not sure whether I have the Scribe sources from which those were derived.) 01:28:48 Riastradh: thanks 01:34:18 klutometis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus 01:34:22 also interesting 01:36:40 jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:44:47 Adamant: heh; looks like you're on one of those WP random-walks. 01:44:57 yes 01:45:13 fortunately I stopped in favor of Getting Shit Done 01:45:25 it's my new productivity protocol 01:45:27 It's more than just a random walk -- it's a Wikipedia fugue state. 01:46:22 imran_sr [~imran@75-18-254-4.lightspeed.uncyca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:47:48 Fare: !! 01:47:56 *eli* joins Riastradh's protest 01:48:23 Riastradh: taking a look at SELECT in sys/cond.t, by the way; it's amazing how much is immediately translatable to r5rs (save bizarre artifacts like ATOM?). 01:52:57 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:53:01 *Riastradh* vanishes. 01:56:43 -!- githogori [~githogori@125.sub-75-210-91.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:38 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:57:58 -!- pygospa [~pygospa@217.191.162.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:02 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:04:40 -!- jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe_] 02:19:38 -!- klovett [~klovett@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:2b35:bc4b:9ed9] has quit [Quit: klovett] 02:21:27 -!- turbofail [~user@c-67-180-111-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:41 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 02:27:56 -!- Walt [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:17 Walt [~Walt@c-4f66702b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #scheme 02:30:51 KyleMcMozart [~kyle@bas2-kitchener06-1096652722.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:32:23 pygospa [~pygospa@217.191.161.87] has joined #scheme 02:32:58 -!- KyleMcMozart [~kyle@bas2-kitchener06-1096652722.dsl.bell.ca] has left #scheme 02:33:15 KyleMcMozart [~kyle@bas2-kitchener06-1096652722.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:33:36 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: nighty night] 02:34:16 dammit; well, in chicken 4 someone implemented SELECT. thanks; sorry for the repl spam. 02:35:02 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:38:06 Are there any good introductions to the concepts of Concurrent ML that are freely available on the interwebs? 02:40:06 klutometis: hey! hi 02:44:11 offby1: hey; how is everything? 02:44:26 wet in washington? 02:45:14 jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 02:49:50 -!- jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:51:50 :-( 02:52:07 rudybot: I'm thinking I should pay klutometis some sort of royalty. 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Start Quickly Download Racket <>? close The in-directory function constructs a sequence that walks a directory tree...' (many paragraphs of documentation; several totally random code fragments) 08:00:01 i'm still waiting for the day when websites are built entirely of flash applets 08:00:22 i'll be so much more productive 08:01:24 Such web sites already exist, and have existed for a long time. 08:01:40 i should have said "all websites" 08:01:53 For example, there must be some federal law or something requiring that every restaurant's web site be a Flash-only web site, because I can't remember ever encountering one that isn't. 08:02:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:02:20 they just want it to really sizzle 08:02:41 (Granted, my sample space for that observation is small: I gave up looking at restaurant web sites after seeing several dozen Flash-only ones in a row.) 08:03:38 Gosh, does `gosh' suck at being a way to complain. 08:04:09 And racket-lang.org looks -- at least in FF -- *exactly* the same with and without JavaScript enabled. 08:04:16 Hmm, would you prefer `golly'? 08:04:49 No, I'd prefer a simple informative message. 08:05:41 does the actual content matter or is it just enough to be informative 08:05:43 I'll take a screenshot. 08:06:17 eli: I use links and I've noticed the same 08:06:24 And your description sounds like it's CSS that is not working. 08:06:25 08:06:28 But as a links user, I'm used to being ignored 08:06:56 (Maybe `screenshot' is too strong a word, since this is only one terminal.) 08:07:02 :) 08:07:09 kilimanjaro: Yes, and I'll spare you the colorful reflective demonstration. 08:07:16 Why would CSS change the content of the page? 08:07:21 Riastradh: See above re CSS. 08:07:35 (I presume that what I'm seeing is not supposed to be there.) 08:07:45 Because there are divs that are supposed to be hidden, and ignoring CSS obviously makes that fail. 08:08:08 If they're supposed to be hidden...why are they there? 08:08:28 BTW, being a lynx/links/w3m/etc user, you should be familiar with websites failing due to lack of CSS support -- that's much worse than no JS. 08:09:40 Most web sites don't change their content depending on whether or not the browser interprets CSS -- generally, CSS just changes the style of the page. At least, that's my understanding of what CSS does. 08:10:00 That's a flamewar I'll gladely ignore. 08:11:24 And yet in the process of ignoring it you left yourself vulnerable to the old "gladly" vs "gladely" flamewar. 08:11:36 eli: The semantic structure of the HTML usually causes the webpage to be displayed at least in a somewhat intelligible way, but that's not the case here as it's just a big blob of and thingies 08:11:52 I'm confused -- what's the point of hiding content with CSS, rather than just omitting it? 08:12:32 Riastradh: Note that it's not hidden. It's one block of example code which shows different example programs every time, which you can cycle through with javascript(?) 08:13:01 So all but one block is hidden, and which one isn't hidden changes 08:14:15 So why doesn't this all just go away without JavaScript? 08:14:59 Obviously I don't understand the function of this stuff -- it has to do with JavaScript, but even without JavaScript it's supposed to be there, except that it's also supposed to be hidden? 08:15:09 Because then that would all have to be built up using javascript 08:15:22 If CSS is present but JS is not, you just see the first code block, I guess 08:15:55 (just tested; indeed that's how it works) 08:16:28 Which code block is shown is randomized by the server, so even without js (but with CSS) you get to see different code snippets every time you visit the page 08:16:35 sjamaan: That big blob of s and s is the code samples, they format it in a certain way that most popular browsers use for rendering. 08:16:46 Riastradh: Use one of these browsers and it will become clear. (I could explain but somehow I get the feeling that it won't be a productive use of my time.) 08:17:09 sjamaan: No, it's the JS that shows a random bit, the server serves static pages. 08:18:31 eli: Oh you're right 08:18:37 I disabled js and refreshed just once 08:20:12 eli: The tells the browser to mark it up in a teletype font. does the same and also semantically indicates the marked up text is computer code 08:20:34 But I was also talking about the descriptions, not just the code examples 08:21:36 It might help if the code and the matching text were rendered together so it still makes sense if you view it without CSS/JS 08:21:50 Right now all the descriptions are put below eachother, followed by all the code samples 08:22:57 I still don't understand why there is anything in the page that is (a) integrally tied to some interactive JavaScript functionality, (b) supposed to be there even without JavaScript, and at the same time (c) supposed to be hidden. But it sounds like I'm not going to understand that... 08:23:52 Riastradh: It doesn't need to be hidden or need JS fundamentally. It's just the way they built it that causes it to make absolutely no sense if you have both disabled 08:24:16 (which probably means search engines are going to have at least _some_ trouble with it as well) 08:25:01 sjamaan: OK, alternating the code and explanation makes sense, I'll try to get to that. 08:25:11 eli: Much appreciated 08:25:33 And no, search engines won't have trouble with that -- they don't really take a page as a bag of words, but they don't go higher than the sentence level. 08:25:39 Perhaps also group the two together in a div, and give it a descriptive heading 08:26:06 Why doesn't the JavaScript just insert what it wants to insert, leaving the non-JavaScript content alone if the browser ignores JavaScript? 08:26:32 So

An Echo server

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Draw more pictures or ....

08:27:18 Riastradh: That would be an alternative way to do it. But it's useful content - it shows off cool features of the language that people might like to see, so it should be in the html I suppose 08:27:34 Riastradh: If you really want to know, the JS changes the bits of code that is displayed, and there's the "?" thing that displays a help blurb, those are all parts of the html page. Making the JS write these things is possible (given more work on encoding), but it's not the right thing since this contents *is* part of the page. 08:28:02 (Ugh, what sjamaan said.) 08:28:13 oh wait, the

should show the help text, not the "Draw more pictures.." thing 08:28:41 I got confused - even in Firefox it looks like that text is a caption below the code 08:28:53 I guess I'm too tired to make sense of it right now. 08:29:08 Riastradh: Wait until eli changed the structure of the code. Maybe it will make more sense 08:29:31 eli: It would be good if the < > ? controls are inserted by JS. They make no sense without JS support 08:29:39 I'd recommend a particular browser, but my guess is that suggesting a non-console tool is not going to make things better. 08:29:55 *sjamaan* uses links with gui support 08:31:53 I'd do this now, but I'm in the middle of a build. 08:46:40 does scheme enforce the order of evaluation of statements in "let"? 08:48:41 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.233.61] has joined #scheme 08:49:39 ment: the variable initialisations you mean? They have an unspecified order of evaluation 08:49:53 ment: see 4.2.2 of r5rs for example 08:50:26 specbot: r5rs let 08:50:26 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_124 08:50:27 http://tinyurl.com/695ay7 08:50:31 There you go :) 08:51:27 thanks 08:52:53 ah thanks sjamaan 08:53:35 sjamaan: Well, that last part's done (the "<", ">", "?"), 08:53:51 the rest will require some more work, and I didn't decide if I want to do that or to faint, so I'll run another build, obviously. 08:54:04 Yeah, javascript can be a pain 08:54:30 Thanks for not ignoring us lightweight browser users 08:55:46 Last time I heard you were "nl" rather than "us". :) 08:56:03 *rolls eyes* 08:56:07 text browser with a css support would be nice though 08:56:12 heh ASau` 08:56:20 sjamaan: But I appreciate that you took care. 08:57:25 (...And links, the browser itself, was "cz", AFAIR.) 08:58:07 sjamaan: JS is not the main pain there, it's the whole div structure... 08:58:44 eli: Changing the structure of the output is difficult? 08:58:46 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:59:58 No, the generation part is easy -- it's the actual structure that is a pain. 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I'm afraid I can't understand your questions. 13:27:23 sorry ... that is right that my english is a bit worst :( 13:28:56 in fact i'm reading the sicp book (a bit difficult type of books) and i try to understand why there is so much derivative type of programming language rather than just an "elaborate one" 13:39:19 because of human begins? comparing to the monkey which want to be at the top of the tree? or just because Scheme need to have derivative type of language which can be external but usuable element ? 13:39:37 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:39:45 timj__ [~timj@e176192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 13:40:01 -!- timj__ [~timj@e176192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:16 timj [~timj@e176192195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 13:43:42 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.233.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:24 aurelien: I'm sorry, but your questions are honestly gibberish to me. 13:51:04 tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 13:51:32 taylanub [~taylanub@p4FD95572.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:52:47 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@99.236.14.49] has joined #scheme 13:56:03 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 13:56:09 pumpkin [~pumpkin@131.247.67.79] has joined #scheme 13:56:30 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d6b3798-CM00222d6b3795.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:06:24 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@user-387hbid.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 14:12:05 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@99.236.14.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:13:27 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-111.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:59 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d6b3798-CM00222d6b3795.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 14:22:53 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:37 -!- jeapostrophe_ [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Quit: jeapostrophe_] 14:29:05 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 14:31:19 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 14:33:28 -!- abstractj [~shadow_wa@187.82.135.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:10 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d6b3798-CM00222d6b3795.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 14:44:07 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d6b3798-CM00222d6b3795.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:24 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:50:47 -!- Intensity [KYmbPu8ogS@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:51:49 helpme [~Email@110.35.38.118] has joined #scheme 14:51:59 can somebody help me with drracket please?? 14:53:19 Just ask; don't ask to ask. 14:53:28 Someone will eventually wake up and maybe know the answer. 14:54:35 Intensity [sNRHvYTz1x@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #scheme 14:54:43 [setbox (bx-expr val-expr) 14:54:43 (interp-two bx-expr val-expr ds st 14:54:43 (lambda (bx-val val st1) 14:54:43 (v*s val 14:54:43 (aSto (boxV-address bx-val) 14:54:43 val 14:54:44 st1))))] 14:54:52 how can i Change the implementation of 14:54:52 setbox so that the old value of the box is dropped (i.e., 14:54:52 replaced with the new value) instead of merely hidden by the 14:54:52 outside-in search order of store-lookup 14:55:13 helpme: maybe talk to your TA 14:55:15 This guy needs help, all right... 14:55:20 femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 14:55:37 HG` [~HG@xdsleg103.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 14:55:47 please guys....... im totally scrwed if i dont get this done....... 14:56:00 Deadlines are fun 14:56:08 well when you put it *that* way 14:57:32 may i ask a question, does CS get much harder than this? 14:57:33 helpme, what class are you in? 14:57:51 yes, it does - try debugging race conditions 14:57:56 a class that focuses on plai 14:58:04 at what school? 14:58:06 and creating an interpreter language 14:58:15 kaist 14:58:44 i'm sorry, utah 14:59:07 i was staring at this problemf or the past 5 hours and ditn get a single line done 14:59:12 helpme: you can do pretty mind-fucking stuff in haskell too 14:59:14 those are very different schools 14:59:40 It's merciless! Change majors while you can! 15:00:05 wel im pretty much set on changin to business but for the remainder of this semester i gotta get this stuf done 15:00:26 or else my gpa hits the pan 15:01:07 so, this assignment: http://www.eng.utah.edu/~cs5510/hw7.html 15:01:12 yes exactly 15:01:39 somehow i doubt matthew wants you to have #scheme do your hw for you 15:02:02 lol 15:02:16 he doesnt happen to be in this place does he 15:02:30 he has visited it occasionally 15:02:30 He might be 15:04:16 more seriously, what you want to produce is a new store that doesn't have the old value 15:04:33 think about how you would construct that 15:04:43 and then it will seem easy to add the correct value 15:05:23 somnium [~user@184.42.17.189] has joined #scheme 15:05:36 oh, i think store can't be touched.. 15:07:02 pumpkin, i figured out the whole recurrence relations thing :) 15:07:04 thanks 15:07:37 Caleb--: I'm glad! 15:09:16 is it just a natural thing to be good at CS? how is it that some kids can get this stuff done in like minutes 15:09:59 it's a mindset that takes a while to get into, I think 15:11:06 yeah 15:11:18 helpme: they can get stuff done in minutes because they cheat 15:11:21 i do a few substitutions (3, for example), and then i see a pattern 15:12:19 for example: T(n) = 2T(n/2) + n = 2(2T(n/4) + n/2) + n = 4T(n/4) + 2n = 4(2T(n/8) + n/4) + 2n = 8T(n/8) + 3n = 2^i*T(n/2^i) + i*n 15:13:07 -!- dnm [~dnm@c-68-34-57-169.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:07 then i just need to know when T's argument is 1.. so i solve n/2^i = 1 and get i = logn :) 15:18:06 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-196-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:56 -!- saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:30:54 -!- helpme [~Email@110.35.38.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:09 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsleg103.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:33:36 -!- somnium [~user@184.42.17.189] has 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