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Racket? 05:27:18 aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 05:29:32 someone told me the correspondence between names of parts of PLT Scheme (e.g. mzscheme) and their new Racket names 05:30:53 do you want to know what they are again or something? 05:30:57 there is a #racket channel if you want 05:31:43 http://racket-lang.org/new-name.html 05:31:47 "what willt he change look like" 05:32:00 OEP [~OEP@c-76-27-129-70.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:34:22 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-94-254.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 05:34:24 yeah, I did... thanks 05:34:38 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@o198-104.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:56 oh yeah, mred was the piece I was forgetting 05:44:27 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 05:50:38 schmir [~schmir@p54A91525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 05:53:13 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A91525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:06 -!- 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(define (printf . args) (display (apply format args))) 06:16:29 but maybe logic is fail :) 06:19:24 (define (printf . args) (display (apply format #f args))) 06:22:58 or even (define (printf . args) (display (apply format (cons #f args)))) ; both seem to work, but I don't know why 06:34:59 Rakko, the define makes a function called printf that takes all its arguments into a list called args, right? 06:35:16 And so (cons #f args) will make a list that's #f stuck in front of your args 06:35:40 "apply" takes two arguments - a procedure to apply (format) and its argument list (your (cons #f args) list). 06:36:22 So calling (printf a b c) means that args will be (a b c), so (cons #f args) will be (#f a b c), and so the apply does (format #f a b c). 06:37:41 Think of (apply a b) as being a bit like "(a . b)" ;-) 06:41:07 yes 06:41:18 but why does (define (printf . args) (display (apply format #f args))) work also? 06:41:31 I did that before using cons 06:44:59 oh, and also... what do you mean 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schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:32 hi eveyr1 15:15:00 Have keystrokes become *that* expensive? I must be out of touch. 15:16:26 Who can buy a vowel at today's interest rates? 15:17:46 Didn't you know, chandler? The eruption of vowels and consonants from Iceland's volcano destabilized the market, and now it has crashed. 15:17:47 :P 15:18:32 -!- offby1 is now known as offby2 15:18:55 -!- offby2 is now known as offby1 15:19:35 offby2 [~offby@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 15:24:47 Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 15:26:17 oh damn 15:26:29 I had some rare consonants I was planning on selling on eBay 15:26:37 old Czech ones; you don't see them much any more 15:27:21 I wonder if the price of vowels in Wales has gone down -- used to be only the super-rich could afford them 15:27:24 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-94-254.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 15:29:47 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:07 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:32:05 -!- offby2 [~offby@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:35 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-53-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:45 zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 15:51:03 -!- atomx` [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:54 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:10 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:01:48 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:31 atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has joined #scheme 16:03:14 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #scheme 16:05:28 -!- atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has left #scheme 16:10:37 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:18 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:18 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-219-29.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:23:32 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-219-29.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:23:44 Kerrick [~Kerrick@2610:130:102:400:221:6aff:fe7a:1842] has joined #scheme 16:26:59 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:27:18 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:37:24 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@2610:130:102:400:221:6aff:fe7a:1842] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:29 Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 16:47:23 -!- kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:11 -!- incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:58 femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-53-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 16:54:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:56:30 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 16:59:05 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:49 -!- mbishop [~martin@adsl-150-24-64.aby.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13:17 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-102-239.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 17:14:43 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:15:02 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 17:20:09 -!- karme [~user@2a01:4f8:100:51c1::4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:47 Kerrick [~Kerrick@b11wi-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 17:28:22 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@b11wi-1.nat.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:31:24 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:36:43 -!- jao [~jao@cpe-76-166-198-241.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50:18 -!- zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52:58 jao [~jao@173.243.145.79] has joined #scheme 18:05:44 saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-THIRTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:22:25 scheme doesn't have raw strings does it? 18:22:36 like python's r"" 18:22:59 so say i did r"\", then i'd get a properly escaped string "\\" 18:23:41 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:01 found the answer, not in scheme 18:24:04 >>> r"\" 18:24:05 SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal 18:24:16 (Python 2.6) 18:24:24 really? 18:24:28 I do not think that word [`raw string'] means what you think it means. 18:24:43 well i sohuld ahve put a better example then 18:24:45 r"\\" 18:24:53 then you get "\\\\" 18:25:05 yea iguess plain \ can't work hm 18:25:20 cause it would think it's \" (an escaped ") 18:27:00 I was sure there was a lisp with #rx but i can't remember which 18:28:12 jyaan: several schemes do have more than one way to quote strings; what exactly do you want the syntax to do? 18:28:49 i just want to enter some regexps without the excessive escaping 18:29:03 sre is a partial solution since it doesn't need them 18:29:09 what scheme are you using? 18:29:21 gambit or chicken 18:30:20 "partial solution since it doesn't need them"? 18:30:26 Why partial? 18:30:36 sometmies i still want perl-style regexps 18:30:55 jyaan: http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/regex-literals 18:31:01 You can quote regex metachars 18:31:15 this looks like what i wanted 18:31:20 http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Unit regex#regexp-escape 18:31:51 Then compile the result as a PCRE string 18:32:44 gambit also has "here string" syntax 18:32:54 Chicken has it too 18:33:03 But it's fugly in Scheme 18:33:34 agreed 18:33:46 oh yea i remember the "here" thing 18:33:50 #< right 18:34:43 http://wiki.call-cc.org/manual/Non-standard%20read%20syntax#multiline-string-constant 18:34:44 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/25bqtwt 18:34:45 what was the name of that project similar to slime for scheme 18:35:01 oh i didn't know chicken had that too, cool 18:35:07 geiser? 18:35:14 the thing it's probably most useful for is embedded C i think 18:35:34 i don't think that was it but i'll check it out anyways 18:35:45 gambit comes with an emacs mode but it's not exactly fully featured 18:36:00 basic debugging but no completion or anything 18:36:20 try scheme-complete.el 18:37:08 k 18:37:10 jyaan: http://synthcode.com/emacs/scheme-complete-0.8.9.el.gz 18:37:27 Or M-/ on plain emacs. :-) 18:37:37 thx that one's newer than what i just found 18:37:40 yea ofc :P 18:37:47 but dabbrev has its limits 18:38:10 it's not that bad if the relevant file is open in anotiher buffer though 18:39:30 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:39:39 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 18:44:05 owned [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 18:47:53 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-102-239.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:48:13 scheme-complete works pretty good 18:50:54 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-THIRTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:58:59 shawnps [~shawn930@zerowing.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:09:23 -!- chittoor [~chittoor@listertech.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:11:10 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:11:59 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 19:12:32 Kerrick [~Kerrick@2610:130:102:800:221:6aff:fe7a:1842] has joined #scheme 19:15:12 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable173.144-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:17:04 -!- owned [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:05 owned_ [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:34:02 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:35:34 aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 19:36:42 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:37:10 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-119.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 19:41:01 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-15.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:14 wow this is dumb 19:41:34 defining a numeric constant in a program actually increases the code size 19:41:45 i would have thought this would be optimized out 19:43:00 How are you defining the constant? 19:43:06 plain define 19:43:12 like (define ONE 1) 19:43:32 this has to do with FFI 19:43:50 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:44:01 i guess i could make a macro to have it expand but that seems like overkill 19:44:46 but including the opengl ffi increases a program with a couple lines to 267kb 19:44:59 rather than 20kb or whatever it was 19:46:00 zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 19:49:28 C APIs tend to have a bunch of #define macros and that's the normal way to convert them over afaik 19:52:03 bleh, i'll think of something 19:52:35 Do you want the bindings to be available at the REPL? If so, you need space to store them. 19:53:10 i'm talking about a final optimized executable 19:53:31 i used -O2 -U___SINGLE_HOST (declare (constant-fold)) etc 19:53:45 ofc for debugging i want them there 19:54:02 Is this Gambit? 19:54:06 yes 19:54:34 Well, I think Gambit has a design bug whereby it always reifies the program's environment, whether or not you ask for that. 19:54:48 Can you do something like (eval 'ONE (interaction-environment)) to get the binding you defined? 19:54:49 hm 19:55:28 If so, and if there's no switch or anything to disable this, then Gambit has the design bug I described. 19:55:40 schmir [~schmir@p54A91388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:55:47 fowlduck [~fowlduck@2002:4547:f82e:0:fa1e:dfff:fed7:9dc1] has joined #scheme 19:55:59 i'll try 19:56:22 i think you're right though, it doesn't have "real" environments 19:56:31 i remember reading that in the docs somewhere 19:56:39 -!- zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: the old ways are lost] 19:56:45 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 19:56:47 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 19:56:47 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 19:56:52 chicken had a code size increase also, but it didn't seem as bad 19:57:10 although chicken usually has larger generated code size in general 19:57:48 I was able to get the binding with that code snippet 19:58:05 You can probably do the same in Chicken, too. 19:58:33 yea 19:59:38 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-197-53-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:52 ejs [~eugen@109-167-31-73.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 20:05:40 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:10 I guess i could make a define-constant macro 20:06:23 i don't really see any other choice 20:07:23 That may not make a difference. Consider (define-syntax foo (syntax-rules () ((foo) 123))), and then (eval '(foo) (interaction-environment)). 20:07:37 jyaan: chicken has define-constant: http://wiki.call-cc.org/manual/Non-standard%20macros%20and%20special%20forms#define-constant 20:07:38 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/378humf 20:07:54 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@70-36-245-104.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:56 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@2610:130:102:800:221:6aff:fe7a:1842] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08:14 the code size went to normal 20:08:23 as if i had inserted the value myself 20:09:02 mario-goulart: that was basically what i was going to do 20:10:09 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11:48 it works anyways- 20:12:09 chicken's is nicer than mine though, since with mine i have to call it like any other macro 20:14:23 maybe it's time i just quit being so stubborn and move over to chicken 20:14:35 everything seems to work easier over there 20:15:51 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 20:16:30 JOIN... US! 20:20:20 jyaan: http://store.northshoreshirts.com/reisfuif1oht.html 20:22:40 Kerrick [~Kerrick@c16-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 20:22:51 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A91388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:22:54 haha 20:23:13 invalid syntax on that shirt tho :P 20:23:31 depending on which language i guess 20:23:32 *sjamaan* was wondering about it too 20:25:05 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 20:25:31 I think it's English. I could be wrong about that. 20:25:39 hotblack23 [~jh@p57BD6939.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:25:43 jyaan: Gambit doesn't have a form of identifier macros? 20:29:28 don't know 20:30:13 i guess it's got to somehow 20:37:10 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:39 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:42:38 -!- owned_ is now known as londonmet 20:43:53 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:43:54 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 20:44:13 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:45:24 madmuppet006 [~infidel@203-211-107-8.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 20:46:35 -!- ejs [~eugen@109-167-31-73.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:49:05 Im trying to write a program to answer question ps.3.1.6 of 6.001. it asks for an every-other function that takes a list and returns the first and every 2nd element after. 20:50:13 atm I can write a function that works when I use an even number of elements but when odd it does not work. I am thinking of appending an () to odd numbered lists but is this the right direction to take? 20:51:28 -!- luz [~davids@201.17.88.176] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:57:57 madmuppet006: you must have a problem with your tests. 20:58:17 madmuppet006: beware of the preconditions of car and cdr in scheme: the argument must be a pair! 20:59:11 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Quit: bork bork] 20:59:15 lisppaste: url 20:59:15 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 20:59:19 zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 20:59:28 madmuppet006: you may paste your code with lisppaste. 21:00:32 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:01:02 cleaning up my code .. 21:02:14 madmuppet006 pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/113876 21:02:50 madmuppet006: length is O(n) therefore your every-other will be O(n^2) 21:03:06 Oops cancel that. 21:03:26 See, you're calling (cdr (cdr lst)), but you never checked that (null? (cdr lst))! 21:03:47 Really, it doesn't matter whether the cdr is null; what matters is whether the cdr is a pair... 21:03:53 Your use of length and append makes it O(3n) instead of O(n). 21:04:03 ... 21:04:17 Well, assuming a proper-list, it'd be the complement. 21:04:33 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:04:45 But Riastradh is correct. 21:04:52 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:06:26 so how do I ensure that the cdr is a pair .. the function works when I append an () onto an odd element list 21:06:35 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:39 whats the correct way? 21:06:59 madmuppet006: instead of using O(n) space and O(n) time building a new list with one more element, you could just test (null? (cdr lst)). 21:07:52 now that would be diabolically clever .. 21:08:17 zero element --> () ; one element --> (the-one) ; more --> (the-first . (every-other (cdr (cdr lst)))) 21:08:46 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:09:09 owned [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:11:11 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@c16-1.nat.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:11:40 -!- londonmet [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:12:39 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable173.144-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:53 -!- cipher_ is now known as cipher 21:20:38 thanks for the help guys Im off 21:20:43 -!- madmuppet006 [~infidel@203-211-107-8.ue.woosh.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:16 -!- Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: REALITY IS TEARING ITSELF ASUNDER, BUT I MUST RACE] 21:24:02 Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 21:24:20 -!- nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:25:48 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:54 nego [~nego@c-76-16-30-244.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:26:28 Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #scheme 21:34:15 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:36:23 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-219-29.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:36:48 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-219-29.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:40:34 mujaheed [~user@adsl-99-138-86-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:33 -!- mujaheed [~user@adsl-99-138-86-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:47:50 mujaheed [~user@adsl-99-138-86-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:48:27 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:56:50 Perseus [~kvirc@dualxdrive.com] has joined #scheme 21:57:15 schmir [~schmir@p54A91388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:58:03 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:27 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 22:13:35 hotblack231 [~jh@p57BD7022.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 22:17:09 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p57BD6939.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:22 ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.159] has joined #scheme 22:18:59 -!- owned is now known as londonmet050 22:19:26 -!- mmc [~michal@93-39-32-196.ip74.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:20:22 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable173.144-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:21:19 -!- londonmet050 [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 22:21:19 londonmet050 [~owned@unaffiliated/londonmet050] has joined #scheme 22:23:05 -!- londonmet050 is now known as owned 22:24:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:25:32 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 22:25:34 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 22:25:34 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #scheme 22:32:48 -!- fowlduck [~fowlduck@2002:4547:f82e:0:fa1e:dfff:fed7:9dc1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:27 owned you were in #lisp yesterday 22:34:34 ypu 22:34:40 ypu? 22:34:47 sorry yup 22:34:49 I mean 22:35:02 yeah you asked me about primitives 22:35:03 There was some discussion about scheme 22:35:10 so I cam in here 22:35:11 yes 22:35:16 I did 22:35:31 yes and i was the "troll" because i was a schemer 22:35:40 ok 22:35:56 So you prefer scheme 22:36:04 I was just going though 22:36:15 schemes philosophy at least, but i do not know lisp 22:36:22 ok 22:36:34 do you know about set theory? 22:36:47 yes I did study but long time 22:37:18 does the primitive function meaning holds same as in calculus 22:37:25 I like set theory 22:37:42 well scheme is the intersection and lisp is the union 22:37:49 i dont know where i saw that 22:38:06 intersection of what and what? 22:38:15 features 22:38:21 yah 22:38:37 what they union and interesection 22:39:28 from what I mean 22:40:19 if you see the circles, scheme is the intersection (the space holding both circles) and common lisp is the union (the whole circles 22:40:27 ) 22:41:08 it just means that scheme tries to stay minimal while lisp just pile functionality over functionality 22:41:36 did you ever hear about lambda calculus? 22:41:42 yes 22:43:19 i was explaining to owned how scheme derives its breauty and power from simplicity 22:43:28 *beauty 22:45:31 FurnaceBoy [~FurnaceBo@ns2.smartgames.ca] has joined #scheme 22:46:43 owned_ [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:46:54 sorry did I miss the answer 22:47:06 -!- owned [~owned@unaffiliated/londonmet050] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:06 -!- owned_ is now known as owned 22:47:07 what was the last thing you saw? 22:47:46 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 22:49:21 nothing after my question 22:49:23 what answer? 22:49:35 owned: I heard some where 22:49:35 [23:43] owned: So scheme is more simple that Clisp 22:49:48 if you see the circles, scheme is the intersection (the space holding both circles) and common lisp is the union (the whole circles) 22:50:02 yup 22:50:05 I saw that 22:50:27 Any way I am exploring Clisp then scheme 22:50:27 of course its more simple. doesnt mean its easier to use though 22:50:41 So do any one use scheme 22:50:58 everybody here uses scheme... 22:51:25 ok 22:55:06 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-119.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:56:17 -!- owned [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56:37 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5adafe9d.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:01:49 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 23:02:42 owned [~owned@93-96-43-166.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:05:25 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable173.144-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:45 -!- nego is now known as nego[afk] 23:08:12 -!- hotblack231 [~jh@p57BD7022.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:42 most people will agree that scheme is a better language that common lisp 23:08:57 but common lisp has way more libraries and stuff for practical programming 23:09:10 so it really depends on what you need 23:09:37 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-154-37.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:12:49 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-24-82-64-146-3.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 23:15:08 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-21-82-64-80-44.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:20:05 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A91388.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:32 owned: Clisp is an implementation. Scheme is a language. How can you compare them? 23:24:44 owned: the other language is Common Lisp or CL. 23:25:06 maybe shortening it and doesn't konw that 23:25:20 jyaan: which is why I'm stating it. 23:25:24 :) 23:25:31 yah 23:25:35 thanks for that 23:32:02 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.159] has quit [Quit: ros3] 23:32:41 ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.159] has joined #scheme 23:39:13 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:58 -!- ros3 [~roselynro@208.66.28.159] has left #scheme 23:44:53 -!- zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-11-250.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:55:26 i think it's this sentence that helped me do my choice about what language i want to learn 23:55:57 Ultimately, Scheme is so minimal and extensible that there's not a w 23:55:57 hole lot to say about it, except that Scheme allows the programmer to extract from the language whatever the programmer is willing to put into it. 23:56:22 from here http://matt.might.net/articles/best-programming-languages/ 23:57:15 Matt Might has been a bit of an inspiration to me too. 23:57:29 I wonder if he's ever been in here ;)