00:00:26 <foof> Linux's /proc filesystem is just a bastardization of the Plan 9 process interface.
00:00:47 <Riastradh> So they have names in the file system and can be opened with the open system call?
00:01:25 <foof> Yes.
00:01:42 <foof> And you send messages to processes by writing to files.
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00:02:31 <foof> And there are no underlying "system" calls of any kind - it's all implemented in the filesystem.
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00:02:35 <Riastradh> Are there pipes, too, or is there at most one (ordinary) communication channel between any pair of processes?
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00:02:51 <Riastradh> (What are open, read, write, and close, then?)
00:03:25 <foof> Well, obviously the calls to access the file system have to be provided by the kernel :)
00:03:39 <foof> And yes, a unix without pipes would be pathetic indeed.
00:03:45 <Riastradh> So there are system calls, then.
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00:03:59 <Riastradh> And there is automatically a pair of pipes between any pair of processes.
00:04:19 <foof> I'm not actually sure if they're handled any separately than normal functions.
00:04:20 <Riastradh> (which don't have any explicit name, of course)
00:05:06 <Riastradh> Well, there has to be some way to ask a being of higher authority to do something on your behalf; otherwise the system would be pretty fragile.
00:05:17 <foof> It's not automatic, everything is manually, including each process' view of the filesystem.
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00:07:17 <foof> bbl
00:07:18 <Riastradh> If it's not automatic, then what happens when I call write(pid, "Hi!", 4), where pid is some pid?
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00:07:45 <foof> you can look at the whitepapers if you're curious
00:08:01 <foof> it's really a beautiful design
00:08:42 <foof> the only thing they got wrong was acknowledge there are some people who will always hate acme, and foster a community which attacks newbies for even suggesting otherwise
00:08:55 <foof> leading to a system with very few apps and device drivers :/
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02:44:46 <typemore> anyone know of good research projects on scheme with cons/car/cdr ripped out, and the basic unit being an array rather than a cons cell? (and having such a system aimed at multi threaded programming / parallelism)
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03:05:06 <Riastradh> typemore, try the Connection Machine and CMLisp.
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03:23:19 <dark> i would ask, what's the problem with cons? (also, arrays encourage mutability, and thus locking)
03:23:39 <Riastradh> Arrays don't encourage mutability if you can't mutate them...
03:24:28 <dark> can you do lightweight operations on a non-mutable array?
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03:24:46 <dark> I mean, you would need to have some sparseness
03:24:55 <Riastradh> A pair has two things.  A chain of pairs, i.e. a list, is front-heavy -- you can do something straight away with the first thing in a list, but to do anything with the second thing in a list, you have to fetch the second thing of the pair first, and then the first thing of that.
03:25:07 <dark> or would have to copy the entire array all the time :)
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03:26:03 <Riastradh> Vectorization is all about taking an array of things -- each thing being just as easy to get at as any other thing in the array -- and performing some operation on each of them simultaneously.
03:26:16 <dark> lua basic block is a table, but it supports a kind of indirection (keys not found being searched on another table, recursively). so it works
03:26:38 <dark> well, if your arrays are small, you can have store the result on another array
03:26:52 <dark> you can hope in compiling into sse/cuda/etc too
03:27:12 <dark> but this is rather focused on a single kind of application, i guess
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03:27:43 <dark> mutable arrays do scale to millions of elements, i'm not sure about non-mutable ones
03:28:40 <dark> (not that lists are actually very scalable, as you pointed out. but cons cells can be used to build non-mutable trees as well)
03:28:42 <Riastradh> If you aren't going to use the input array after the operation, you can reuse its storage for the output array.
03:30:12 <dark> yes =) but you can't do it with shared values
03:30:49 <dark> also, without a static typing system (such as haskell, with its linear types) it might be difficult to optimize for this case
03:31:10 <Riastradh> Haskell does not have linear types.  You may be thinking of Curry.
03:31:54 <dark> there are some talking in #haskell about it. but yes, never used it, so it's maybe not implemented yet?
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04:13:02 <Riastradh> Here's something a little frustrating with file URIs.  There is no way to express a relative pathname that refers to the parent directory using relative URIs.  In other words, in the `file' URI scheme, relative URIs are not interpreted like relative pathnames.
04:14:36 <foof> The `file' URI Scheme as specified where?
04:14:49 <Riastradh> For example, suppose the file at pathname /foo is a symlink to /bar/baz.  Then the relative URI ../quux merged with the absolute URI file:///foo/ gives the absolute URI file:///quux, whereas after chdir("/foo"), opening "../quux" is like opening "/bar/quux".
04:15:00 <Riastradh> Doesn't matter.  The operation of merging URIs is generic.
04:15:49 <foof> Ah, symlinks are another thing Plan 9 fixed.
04:16:02 <Riastradh> How did Plan 9 fix symlinks?
04:17:37 <foof> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/lexnames.html
04:17:42 <Riastradh> Sorry, I used the wrong term above.  When I said `relative URI', I meant `relative reference'.
04:17:54 <Riastradh> What?
04:17:56 <Riastradh> The first sentence is false.
04:18:37 <Riastradh> The Unix file system is hierarchical even if it has symlinks.
04:18:44 <Riastradh> This does not bode well for the rest of the paper!
04:18:55 <Riastradh> (The *pathname* notation may not be `hierarchical', whatever that would mean.)
04:19:43 <foof> Don't pick nits and read the paper, it's worth it.
04:20:01 <Riastradh> (Hard links really do break the hierarchical structure, but that's mostly OK as long as directory hard links don't exist.)
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04:27:38 <Riastradh> So what happens if I do chdir("/foo/bar/baz"); rename("/foo", "/mumble"); chdir("../quux"); in Plan 9's lexical ..?
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04:38:27 <foof> "Since this implementation uses only local operations to maintain its names, it is possible to confuse it by external changes to the file system. Deleting or renaming directories and files that are part of a Cname, or modifying the mount table, can introduce errors."
04:39:45 <foof> ... and then goes on to basically say it's not a problem in practice.
04:40:32 <foof> There are real Plan 9 systems running software and services, so I'll have to take their word for it - I still haven't done much work with it myself yet.
04:48:35 <foof> Unrelated, is it just me or is it impossible to import data into mysql w/o a temp file?
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05:07:52 <mauke> opposite order compared to ln -s? looks like the same order to me
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05:41:51 <mister_m> if I wanted to try something like this: http://djm.cc/bignum-results.txt, what sorts of things should I know how to do?
05:42:07 <mister_m> lambda functions, I'm guessing ?
05:44:19 <mister_m> I'm mostly interested in the math
05:51:29 <foof> mister_m: see http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/bignumbers.html
05:51:54 <mister_m> foof, fantastic!
05:51:58 <foof> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver
05:53:08 <mister_m> thank you
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17:07:44 <waltermai> I've been going through my code and finding all the redundancies and patterns and so forth (trying, anyway), in order to "compress" my code, so that, to steal a phrase from Abelson, the guts of my code aren't hanging out everywhere. however, sometimes doing so might make the code much less fast, I'd imagine. Is there a name for this tradeoff?
17:08:58 <Riastradh> Yes, the tradeoff is usually `using a crummy compiler that can't deal with abstraction'.
17:09:15 <Riastradh> Perhaps you can describe the actual performace problems you're empirically observing?
17:09:44 <waltermai> well, they are only imagined performance decreases, I think.
17:10:05 <Riastradh> Perhaps you should try imagining performance increases, then!  I think that might make you happier.
17:10:24 <waltermai> I have a process, for example, that goes assigns all midi numbers to the corresponding string values of the lilypond notenames.
17:10:51 <waltermai> there's a definite pattern to the series of lilypond notenames, and the numbers are just in a series.
17:11:35 <waltermai> instead of having a 127 line long conditional expression, one for each midinumber notename pair, I could encapsulate this pattern somehow.
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17:12:34 <waltermai> but this may slow down the process of finding notenames equivalent to midinumbers when I'm using this procedure inside a much larger one, one that may use this procedure many many times.
17:13:01 <Riastradh> You mean you have code like (cond ((string=? x "A") 440) ((string=? x "B") ...) ...)?
17:13:15 <waltermai> more the opposite.
17:13:24 <waltermai> but yes.
17:13:32 <Riastradh> (cond ((= x 440) "A") ...)?
17:13:39 <waltermai> indeed
17:14:05 <waltermai> does this have anything to do with 'memoization'? my apologies, I'm a newbie schemer.
17:14:07 <Riastradh> Are the integers consecutive?
17:14:20 <waltermai> yes, and the strings are definitely of a pattern.
17:14:38 <Riastradh> (define note-names '#("A" "B" "C" ...))  (define (number->node-name n) (vector-ref note-names n))
17:14:51 <gnomon> foof, thanks for the pointer to that paper about the way Plan 9 deals with .. .
17:15:01 <Riastradh> Deals with what, gnomon?  You just trailed off!
17:15:44 <waltermai> Riastradh, I think the series of strings could be encapsulated in some sort of procedure returning the series according to the pattern of notenames.
17:16:41 <waltermai> and is there a procedure primitive to my implementation of scheme that returns a series of notes from x to y? I hand coded one, but wasn't sure if one already existed or not.
17:16:53 <Riastradh> Ah, so you have a horrible elaborate procedure that enumerates the note names, and you want to cache this?
17:17:17 <waltermai> I am not sure of the exact meaning of 'cache', but I suppose so.
17:17:36 <Riastradh> (define note-names (make-vector number-of-note-names)) (for-each-instance-of-a-horrible-elaborate-pattern-of-note-names (lambda (name number) (vector-set! note-names number name))) (define (number->note-name number) (vector-ref note-names number))
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17:18:01 <gnomon> Riastradh, heh.
17:18:34 <Riastradh> Now it's time for me to trail off, after which I intend to trail on shortly with a bagel for fuel.
17:18:38 <waltermai> Riastradh, I do not know these procedures; thank you, let me pull this expression apart.
17:19:00 <Riastradh> (Hint: I made up one of those procedures.  Figuring out which one I made up is left as an exercise for the reader.)
17:19:13 <gnomon> Riastradh, I find your idea of foodination intriguing, and may investigate it independently.
17:19:16 <waltermai> hah, whatever, dude. enjoy your bagel.
17:19:46 <waltermai> scheme is the mf'ing bomb.
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17:22:54 <gnomon> waltermai, I'm a bit curious about your task now.
17:23:18 <gnomon> Do you mind describing it in slightly more detail, perhaps with some sample input and output?
17:23:36 <waltermai> you mean the midinumber conversion procedure?
17:24:26 <waltermai> it happens to be a small part of my larger program/project. I'm solving species counterpoint.
17:24:59 <waltermai> "solving" is perhaps a bit of a misnomer. I'm writing a scheme program that performs species counterpoint exercises.
17:25:30 <waltermai> ...correctly. every time. using constrained randomness.
17:29:08 <waltermai> so, (degrees-to-ly (make-cantusfirmus clef-ambitus tonic-class number-of-measures voice-list) ambitus root) returns something like "d'1 e'1 e'1 b'1 fis'1 a'1 a'1 e''1 d''1 b'1 cis''1 cis''1 d''1 fis''1 e''1 a'1 d''1 b'1 a'1 d'1 "
17:29:47 <waltermai> (make-cantusfirmus) being used for the argument 'notelist'.
17:29:51 <gnomon> I have absolutely no idea what species counterpoint is, why one would exercise it, or what it means to solve it, I'm afraid.
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17:30:26 <gnomon> I also don't know anything about Lilypond's notation, although I am aware of the tool and the domain of its specialization.
17:30:37 <gnomon> Can you describe the transformation that you apply to your input?
17:31:25 <waltermai> Its a systematic way of learning to write melodies that sound concurrently and are rhythmically independent while harmonically interdependent, species counterpoint. I'm not sure I understand your last question.
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17:33:18 <waltermai> (make-cantusfirmus) creates a list of pairs, cars degrees of a given key, which fit inside a given ambitus. these are randomly generated and constrained to fit the procedures for properly writing a tonal cantus firmus.
17:33:33 <waltermai> cdrs durations.
17:34:27 <waltermai> which, for a cantusfirmus are all the length of a single measure. 1, or wholenote, in common time, .75, or dotted halfnote, in 3/4 time.
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17:35:41 <waltermai> these degrees, which fit a the ambitus of a given clef, treble, soprano, bass, etc, are converted to their corresponding midinums and then corresponding lilypond notenames by (degrees-to-ly)
17:36:26 <waltermai> ...and that's the last month and a half of my life, in a nutshell. ;)
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17:36:58 <gnomon> Thanks for the background.  It sounds like an interesting project!  But what is the mapping process you described earlier with which you wanted some assistance?
17:37:46 <waltermai> oh, the procedure Riastradh came up with? I'm not quite sure. I'm digging through it currently, it uses lots of procedures I'm unfamiliar with.
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17:38:28 <waltermai> mine is simpler and uglier. (cond ((= x 0) "c,,,,") and so forth.
17:39:31 <gnomon> waltermai, how large is your set of inputs to the COND statement?  Have you considered using a hash table, or generating a perfect hash if your data set is amenable to that approach?
17:40:24 <waltermai> there are 127 lines to the conditional expression, one for each midinumber. I don't know what a hash table is, really.
17:40:32 <gnomon> That's not a suggestion cloaked in a question, by the way.  I know too little about the problem domain to know what kind of solution might fit best.
17:41:09 <waltermai> oh no, thanks for the tip dude. I'll look into this hash stuff directly.
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17:41:29 <gnomon> waltermai, a hash table is a data structure for quickly mapping from keys to values, without having to iterate through a potentially very long list of items.
17:41:54 <waltermai> sounds like it could be exactly what I want.
17:41:58 <gnomon> It does!
17:43:07 <gnomon> A perfect hash is a tool for generating a fast mapping from a set of keys to a set of values, both of which are known when the hash table is built.  They are useful for dealing with input where the grammar is known, such as programming languages with a large number of keywords.
17:43:20 <Riastradh> If I recall correctly, waltermai said that the keys are consecutive integers, so a vector -- which maps a consecutive subset of non-negative integers to values -- is more appropriate.
17:43:35 <gnomon> Ah?  I missed that part!
17:43:48 <gnomon> I profer my apologies for mistracking the conversation.
17:44:04 <waltermai> oh that's okay. I'm learning things, which is probably even more important.
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17:45:30 <waltermai> scheme kinda makes me feel drunk.
17:45:38 <waltermai> ....I love you ugys.
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19:42:43 <nibiru> :(
19:43:38 <Riastradh> ?
19:43:43 <gnomon> ):
19:43:50 <gnomon> Nobody takes nibiru seriously.
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19:46:02 <Spewns> haha
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19:48:40 *nibiru* twiddles thumbs.
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20:08:24 *Riastradh* thumbs some twiddles.
20:08:33 <gnomon> SPEAKING OF WHICH
20:08:54 <gnomon> Have you been following the progress of the new Twiddler hardware manufacturing run?
20:09:29 <gnomon> It is excitimicating and splendiferous!
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20:10:40 <Riastradh> Twiddler?
20:10:49 <Riastradh> Hmm...that name rings a bell.  Some sort of game?
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20:11:06 <gnomon> Riastradh, no, a chording input device: http://www.handykey.com
20:11:27 <Riastradh> Oh.
20:11:38 <chandler> I need Flash to see what it is? Why?
20:12:07 <Riastradh> I don't see anything there...the page appears empty.
20:12:12 <Riastradh> <BODY><P></BODY>
20:12:37 <Riastradh> After I reloaded it, I got a frame.  Let's see what's in the frame.
20:12:39 <chandler> It looks like a frameset to me.
20:13:05 <Riastradh> Apparently the whole page is stored inside a single giant frame.  I wonder why...
20:13:06 <chandler> Wait, it's a frameset? What the hell? It feels like 1997 again, except for the Flash thing.
20:13:19 <Riastradh> Ah!  Some text.
20:13:49 <Riastradh> I don't see any indication of Flash here, but that's probably because w3m doesn't alert me to that sort of thing.
20:14:31 <gnomon> That's a good thing!
20:15:05 <gnomon> It is disappointing that the most prominent portion of the page is a big old Flash photo fader, yes, but the device in question is really awesome.
20:16:03 <gnomon> There is no Bluetooth version, which leaves me simultaneously despondent and slightly relieved; but I may be forced to grab a wired model on general principle.
20:17:17 <chandler> I don't think I would appreciate this input device.
20:17:43 <Riastradh> How many tentacles does it take to operate?  I am slightly deficient in the tentacular department.
20:17:56 <gnomon> chandler, I am absolutely fascinated by the idea of using it to code.
20:18:22 <Riastradh> I have lots of brown paper bags lying around, though, some even having dark stains which once indicated the freshness of their contents.
20:18:40 <gnomon> Riastradh, I think merely four or five tentacles; in your case, your digits may serve in that capacity.  Though really you ought to upgrade to tentacles.
20:18:49 <gnomon> Eww.
20:19:06 *gnomon* inflates several fresh paper bags and baps them in Riastradh's general direction
20:19:13 <gnomon> No reason to keep dirty ones.
20:19:18 <chandler> gnomon: I think I'll stick to my keyboard.
20:19:43 <mario-goulart> gnomon: interesting.
20:20:22 <chandler> Perhaps I'm just a reactionary, but it seems like a unnecessary change to something that works well enough for me, where "well enough" is defined as "about as fast as I can think".
20:20:23 <mario-goulart> I wonder if it has enough keys for emacs' undo keybindings, for example.
20:21:03 <Riastradh> `About as fast'?  I can't think as fast as I can type, usually...
20:21:32 <chandler> Not when it comes to code, I can't. I can blather on IRC about as fast as I can type, though.
20:22:03 <Riastradh> If I blathered on IRC as fast as I could type, I'd hit the message length limit a lot more often than I do usu
20:22:51 <chandler> I'm not sure I've seen you blather, actually.
20:23:08 <gnomon> chandler, the idea is not to replace the keyboard with a better, faster or more ergonomic input method, but to use an input device which works where a keyboard doesn't.
20:24:05 <chandler> I suppose that could be useful to some. I personally can't see a situation where I would be able to carry that device and not have enough space to use an actual keyboard.
20:24:45 <gnomon> chandler, you don't use public transit, or walk around the office?
20:25:02 <chandler> No, and I don't have an office.
20:25:09 <gnomon> Ah!
20:25:28 <chandler> The idea of walking and coding is incredibly scary. I can barely walk and think at the same time.
20:26:06 <Riastradh> How about coding while on the highway commuting to work?  That sounds like a brilliant plan -- maybe do some pair programming with the passenger, too!
20:26:12 <gnomon> I can walk and type, but I cannot type and talk (except to flush my buffers).
20:27:10 <Riastradh> I can type and talk, but my fingers invariably insert fragments from the conversation into what I'm typing.
20:27:22 <chandler> Ah, that's why I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/AutoExec-WM-01-Wheelmate-Steering-Wheel/dp/B000IZGIA8
20:27:24 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/3y7t8p9
20:28:05 <gnomon> ARGH
20:28:24 <gnomon> I just saw "autoexec" and a whole set of conditioned reflexes slipped into place which I thought I had long since banished.
20:28:33 *gnomon* shudders
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20:28:42 <chandler> I do typing and talking better than I do reading and typing. In the former case, I can time-slice (albeit with a significant overhead). In the latter case, my buffers mingle and cause irrelevant words to wind up in the output buffer.
20:29:02 <chandler> gnomon: You'll have other reflexes if you actually look at that product.
20:29:18 <gnomon> chandler, how odd, I have exactly the opposite problem: I can read and type very well, but talking conflates the buffers.  Huh!
20:29:23 <Riastradh> I think I'm glad w3m isn't showing me any images on that page.
20:29:49 <chandler> Riastradh: Ah, but you're missing all the customer images of the product in action! (They're all pictures of massive car wrecks.)
20:30:01 <Riastradh> Holy cow!  The first customer review is bad enough, though!
20:30:43 <Riastradh> I assume it's a joke.
20:30:45 <Riastradh> I hope it's a joke!
20:30:46 <chandler> That's based on an actual incident.
20:30:52 <Riastradh> Oh, right, I remember that.
20:30:55 <Riastradh> Heheheh.
20:31:00 <chandler> Not *actually* involving WoW, as far as I know.
20:33:06 <chandler> gnomon: I find it depends on what I'm reading. If you happen to say something while I'm typing this message, I'll probably be able to scan it quickly while continuing to type. (So far, you haven't.) But if you paste a link, I load it up, go back to typing, and then start reading while trying to continue typing, that's when I wind up with gibberish in the output florist.
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20:36:00 <gnomon> chandler, ah, but that's not so much conflating buffers as mixing context switches.
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20:37:14 <chandler> gnomon: Well, the context switch causes a buffer underrun in the output buffer, at which point something from the input buffer is used instead.
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21:21:43 <Delita> I got my SICP book in the mail!
21:22:58 <jonrafkind> did you know its free online?
21:23:24 <Delita> Yes. I learn better from actual books
21:23:49 <jonrafkind> I learn better from interpetive dance. I can't find one for SICP :(
21:24:02 <Delita> You should put one together.
21:24:09 <jonrafkind> yeah!
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21:53:43 <m``> hello
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21:56:27 <Delita> Question. I'm working through the video lectures of SICP. Should I read the reading assignments before or after the videos, or does it matter?
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21:57:57 <waltermai> I don't think it matters too much. just as long as you are reading the book too.
21:58:24 <waltermai> maybe watching the lectures first might be better.
21:58:32 <Delita> That's what I was thinking.
21:58:55 <waltermai> they're like ultra-condensed-with-lots-of-stuff-missing versions of the book.
22:01:40 <somnium> Delita: the most important thing is to enjoy the 80s hair
22:02:25 <m``> I enjoy 80s girls in those vids....
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22:16:02 <Delita> hahaha
22:16:07 <Delita> Yeah I've been noticing
22:16:15 <Delita> Sorry about the delay I'm watching a lecture
22:16:28 <Delita> Taking notes in another screen window with emacs. :P
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22:40:29 <somnium> does anyone here use inferior-scheme in emacs?
22:41:00 <Riastradh> Yes.
22:41:29 *foof* only uses superior-scheme!
22:41:36 <somnium> is it just my end or is the repl flaky on multi-line input?
22:43:15 <somnium> sometimes I cant get the input back at all and have to kill it and restart
22:43:27 <Riastradh> How are you entering multi-line input?
22:43:42 <somnium> (define ... `\n')
22:43:48 <Riastradh> RET sends all the input so far to the Scheme process; C-j just inserts a newline into the input, but doesn't send it yet.
22:44:01 <Riastradh> Once you have hit RET, you can't go back to edit what you wrote before.
22:46:15 <somnium> ok, that makes sense. What does it do with the errors then? I havent been getting an error or a new prompt. on readable malformed expressions it returns errors.
22:47:17 *somnium* wishes dr-scheme was an emacs mode
22:48:37 <Riastradh> I don't understand.
22:51:06 <somnium> if I type '(define (foo x)' and hit return, it just goes to the next line like Im editing a text-buffer, and I cant get the prompt back.
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22:51:52 <samth> that's because you haven't closed the )
22:55:13 <somnium> yes, but why does it just die?
22:55:28 <somnium> am I that spoiled by slime/irb/eshell?
22:55:41 <samth> it doesn't die
22:55:47 <samth> try hitting backspace or up arrow
22:55:59 <Riastradh> What gives you the impression that anything has died?
22:56:53 <somnium> I have, its like it just turns into a plain-text buffer
22:57:04 <somnium> ah, C-c C-d woke it up
22:57:11 <samth> is this in drscheme or emacs?
22:57:15 <somnium> emacs
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22:58:08 <Riastradh> What happens if you write a complete expression?
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22:58:16 <Riastradh> That is, if you close all the parentheses?
22:58:19 <Riastradh> ...and then hit RET?
22:58:21 <somnium> then its fine
22:58:30 <somnium> and using C-j like you said also worked
22:58:53 <somnium> but after return it dies until I explicitly send eof with C-c C-d, which seems like strange design
22:59:09 <somnium> ^^ for unclosed expressions
22:59:37 <Riastradh> What do you mean `die'?
22:59:46 <Riastradh> It's just waiting for more input.
23:00:17 <Riastradh> If you type `(foo', and hit RET, then the REPL will just wait patiently for more input, usually without writing any new prompt.
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23:02:54 <somnium> ok, I was misunderstanding. After '(define (foo x) \n' it stays at the state, so I vandalise the whole buffer then type (+ x x)) and it works.
23:03:02 <somnium> I guess Im just accustomed to slime
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23:08:23 <foof> There should be a way to toggle multi-line input in inferior-lisp - e.g. press C-c C-j and then RET behaves just like C-j.
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23:09:01 <foof> Again, something Plan9 thought of and provide in their terminal emulator.
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23:09:10 <somnium> foof: again?
23:09:24 <somnium> foof: you mean in inferior-scheme?
23:09:53 <foof> somnium: I was mentioning other ideas from Plan9 yesterday.
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23:15:47 <somnium> hmm, maybe lurking somewhere in comint mode ...
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