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01:08:26 <offby1> rudybot: chicken
01:08:26 <rudybot> *offby1: cluck works rather fine with chicken
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04:03:46 <neilv> i love needing to do something new in plt/racket, and finding that, in fact, matthew flatt or someone has clearly spent days thinking hard and proving a well-designed facility for what i need to do
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04:15:25 <offby1> Oh, I _hate_ it when that happens
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04:26:25 <neilv> probably sometimes flatt hacks my computer, looks at what i'm doing, anticipates what features i'll need, and adds them to my racket installation
04:27:41 <offby1> it's flattering
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11:19:26 <Blkt> good day everyone
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12:16:54 <askhader> Gooood morning I should say
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12:38:10 <gl> hi, I don't know scheme at all, but I need to do a quite simple thing (I guess).  I need to transform the following expression "foo a b" to "(foo (a) (b))", using a macro.  Can you point me out a documentation, or a piece of code which achieves this?
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13:41:52 <chandler> gl: `foo a b' is three expressions, not one.
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14:44:24 <offby1> or a string
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15:24:02 <chandler> offby1: I guessed that this wasn't what he meant, but I could be wrong.
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17:56:52 <eli> foof: ping
17:57:02 <eli> (or anyone else that has a clue about perl)
17:57:13 <Fare> a small clue here
17:57:49 <Fare> I've used perl more than enough, though I've vowed to only script with Lisp from now on.
17:58:17 <askhader> Fare: ++
17:58:28 <eli> Is there any sane way to remove a given element from an array?
17:58:38 <askhader> Fare: s/Lisp/Functional\ Languages/ ?
17:58:47 <eli> Something like remove("foo", @bar)
18:00:06 <eli> Anyone?
18:00:09 <askhader> eli: a = [ "a", "b", "c" ];  a.delete("a"); => ["b", "c"]
18:00:30 <askhader> eli: a = [ "a", "b", "c" ];  a.delete("1"); => ["a", "c"]
18:00:32 <askhader> er
18:00:36 <askhader> a.delete(1) =]
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18:00:51 <askhader> delete_at(1) excuse me
18:01:24 <eli> IIUC, delete leaves an "undefined" hole in the array.
18:01:32 <eli> So splice should be used instead.
18:01:48 <eli> But that expects an index.
18:02:01 <eli> And there's not even some `find' function AFAICT.
18:02:30 <askhader> Well these aren't difficult functions to write,.
18:02:49 <eli> *sigh*
18:03:18 <askhader> I'm sure they exist.
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18:05:13 <Fare> sub position () { my ($x,$l) = @_ ; my $i; for ($i=0;$i<length(@$l);$i++) { if ($x eq ${$l}[$i] { return $i ;} } ; return -1; } or something.
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18:07:00 <askhader> eli: Are you using srfi/25 ?
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18:07:56 <eli> Fare: That returns -1 for anything that I find.
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18:08:01 <eli> askhader: No, I'm using perl...
18:08:33 <askhader> My irc client seems to be confused.
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18:09:39 <askhader> eli: Care to remind me why we're talking about Perl in #scheme?
18:09:47 <rapacity> ack!
18:09:49 <rapacity> perl code
18:10:00 <askhader> This is my confusion.
18:10:16 <askhader> Scheme has very elegant ways to deal with this problem.
18:10:39 <eli> Because I happen to hack on a perl script, and schemers are likely to know what I'm trying to do without flaming me for whatever.
18:11:07 <Riviera> Anyone mind to wash my car?
18:11:24 <askhader> Riviera: I left my bathing suit at home.
18:11:28 <Riviera> :)
18:11:56 <askhader> eli: I think I've done this in perl before, hold on
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18:17:06 <rapacity> you can use grep
18:17:58 <askhader> eli: use List::Util;
18:18:08 <Fare> eli: beware that this position takes an array *reference* as its second argument
18:18:21 <askhader> ah perl references.
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18:23:36 <eli> askhader: I don't want to add imports to this thing, it's a huge perl script...
18:23:43 <eli> Fare: How do I pass a reference?
18:24:00 <eli> (I figured that this is where the real fun will start)
18:24:07 <askhader> eli: Is the machine so ancient that it has no List::Uitl?
18:24:13 <askhader> Included in the perl build, I mean.
18:25:03 <askhader> perl -e 'use List::Util'
18:25:07 <eli> askhader: No, but I don't want to make any global changes to a 4k-line script that I want to tweak in one place.
18:26:16 <askhader> Then I guess you write it yourself.
18:30:04 *Fare* consults man perlref
18:30:21 <Fare> ["a","b","c"] is an array reference
18:30:58 <eli> But I already have an array, a literal one won't help much.
18:31:50 <Fare> [@foo]
18:32:20 <Fare> or you can change the function to take the array as a spliced parameter
18:32:32 <rapacity> do you want to remove only the first match ?
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18:33:49 <eli> Fare: No, that doesn't work either.  The length(@$l) in your code always gets 1.
18:34:11 <eli> rapacity: Yes.  (And not even a match, just the first item that is equal to a given string.)
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18:37:25 <eli> Actually, even this prints 1: my @foo = qw(foo bar baz); print length(@foo) . "\n";
18:38:20 <askhader> eli: print $#foo."\n";
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18:39:37 <askhader> And if you want the length $#foo + 1
18:40:04 <Fare> try $i<=$#{$y}
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18:41:04 *Fare* is reminded that he never really liked perl
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18:55:48 <eli> Here's a nice automatically-deduced way to get a list of bad languages:
18:56:07 <eli> Go to google, type in "how to pass an array to a function in", and watch the completions.
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19:01:13 <eli> Fare: "obviously", \@foo passes the array by reference,
19:02:08 <eli> and even more obviously, $#$l is its length (minus one).
19:02:14 <eli> This is insane.
19:02:18 <rapacity> I'm not sure if you already got the answer but, sub remove { my ($a, $e) = @_; for my $i (0 .. $#a) { if ($e eq @$a[i]) { return splice @$a, $i, 1; } } }
19:02:45 <rapacity> that removes the first element equal to the one you provide from the array
19:03:06 <askhader> eli: uh s/\$l//g
19:03:37 <Fare> insane? well, this is perl
19:05:25 <rapacity> nvm it fails :p
19:06:09 <askhader> rapacity: hahaha
19:06:34 <eli> rapacity: Yeah, I can't make it work.
19:06:50 <rapacity> damn it's been ages since I used perl :p
19:07:06 <askhader> eli: What do you want, remove by posn or by object?
19:07:22 <eli> askhader: I basically want this:
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19:07:32 <eli> rudybot: eval (define l (list "foo" "bar" "baz"))
19:07:37 <rudybot> eli: your sandbox is ready
19:07:40 <eli> rudybot: eval (remove "bar" l)
19:07:40 <rudybot> eli: ; Value: ("foo" "baz")
19:07:44 <eli> That.
19:07:52 <askhader> k
19:09:57 <askhader> Return value?
19:10:06 <askhader> Or rather, is this a destructive function?
19:10:15 <askhader> That is to say, is 'l' mutable?
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19:14:09 <eli> askhader: Preferably not, but I think that in this case there's no harm if it is destructive.
19:14:20 <askhader> I'd rather non-destructive as well
19:14:56 <rapacity> ack I figured out why mu code didn't work
19:15:33 <rapacity> instead of @$a[$i] I did @$a[i]
19:16:02 <rapacity> substitute that and it works as a destructive remove
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19:16:51 <chandler> What's the diff.. oh, an extra $. How does anyone write this line noise?
19:17:30 <eli> rapacity: How do I call it?
19:17:40 <rapacity> remove (\@a, 'c')
19:19:02 <eli> rapacity: No, that doesn't work.
19:19:10 <eli> rapacity: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x
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19:21:05 <rapacity> oh o_o I was globally modifying the @a variable in my script
19:21:19 <rapacity> or I can't tell
19:21:22 <rapacity> :p
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19:29:07 <askhader> eli: http://pastebin.com/YCvyGTym
19:29:30 <askhader> Should output 13d
19:30:44 <askhader> eli: Although this will remove all instances of 'elem'
19:30:55 <askhader> eli: Did you not want that?
19:31:31 <Fare> eli: could you get position to work?
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19:35:39 <rapacity> not that it matters anymore but :p http://pastebin.com/4jr0pyta this one passes
19:35:49 <rapacity> aaa,bb,ccccc,eee
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19:36:48 <Fare> sub posn { my ($x,$l) = @_; my $i = 0; for $y (@$l) { if ($x eq $y) { return $i; }; $i++;} ; return -1 }
19:37:18 <Fare> we clearly need a scheme to perl compiler... :)
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19:46:04 <eli> Whew, it finally works...
19:46:35 <eli> I actually needed a version that removes a number of items, instead of just one -- so I went with rapacity's version which I found easier to loop over...
19:47:08 <eli> rapacity: And btw -- I think it should be "0 .. scalar(@$a)-1"
19:47:22 <Fare> sub remove { my ($x,$l) = @_; my $i = posn($x,$l) ; if ($i != -1) {  splice(@$l, $i, 1); } ; return @$l ; }
19:47:30 <rapacity> ah yeah I think you're right
19:47:32 <Fare> (beware: that's destructive)
19:47:43 <rapacity> :p it's been ages since I've worked with perl
19:48:09 <Fare> such a lovely language... NOT
19:48:12 <rapacity> lol
19:48:25 <askhader> @{%{$s}}}
19:48:57 <Fare> parens are evil but braces aren't. Go figure.
19:49:04 <eli> Fare: Yeah, I was on my way to getting that posn thing to work, and then just used rapacity's version.
19:49:30 <Fare> no thanks for making me use perl
19:49:35 <Fare> I feel dirty
19:49:56 <askhader> repent
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19:50:55 <eli> I think that my limited interactions with it are now enough to make me twitch whenever "function" and "array" are in the same sentence.
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19:52:40 <askhader> eli: Think of a reference as a pointer.
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19:53:37 <eli> askhader: Yeah, I know how it should be, it's the syntax to get there that is so obnoxious.  Things like that $#$l.
19:54:00 <askhader> It's not $#$
19:54:04 <askhader> It's $#l
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19:56:39 <rapacity> $#$l gets the last index from an array reference
19:56:42 <eli> I needed the extra $ because it was in a function.
19:56:57 <askhader> huh?
19:57:14 <askhader> 'l' is an array producing function?
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19:58:22 <xissburg> how to read the command line arguments inside my scheme code?
19:59:25 <eli> askhader: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x
19:59:32 <eli> That's where I needed it.
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19:59:38 <eli> xissburg: Depends on the implementation.
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19:59:51 <xissburg> chicken?
20:00:23 <eli> You need someone who knows chicken then.
20:00:33 <eli> (Unless that was a question.)
20:00:35 <xissburg> yea sure
20:00:43 <xissburg> thats not a question
20:00:45 <mario-goulart> xissburg: (command-line-arguments)
20:00:50 <xissburg> hm
20:01:19 <mario-goulart> xissburg: BTW, there's #chicken too
20:01:30 <xissburg> oh I see
20:01:41 <xissburg> wow
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20:02:45 <sloyd> also (argc+argv)
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20:04:37 <xissburg> one more...I am going to use open-input-file...what happens if the file is not found? How to catch the error and show a message or something?
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20:06:17 <sloyd> it throws an (exn i/o file) exception
20:06:18 <Fare> xissburg, which scheme are you using?
20:06:26 <xissburg> chicken
20:06:36 <xissburg> that also depends??
20:06:54 <Fare> about everything does
20:08:54 <xissburg> hm I didn't know there was exceptions here
20:09:08 <xissburg> then how I catch it?
20:10:04 <sloyd> http://chicken.wiki.br/man/4/Exceptions
20:12:35 <xissburg> thanks
20:12:35 <mario-goulart> xissburg: you can also use the `file-exists?' and `directory?' procedures before trying to read the file
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20:22:41 <Fare> mario-goulart, if you're not afraid of race conditions, that is
20:23:10 <mario-goulart> Fare: indeed.  Good point.
20:23:21 <mario-goulart> There's also file permissions...
20:33:56 <xissburg> what do you guys recommend for me to use to work with 2D matrices? srfi-25 or is there something better?
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