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I think PLT/Racket is a good choice. Best choice will depend on many factors. 15:30:33 I would like to hear yours 15:30:42 vieq: yes, only you can answer your question. Give PLT a whirl anyway. 15:30:57 better to pick the "wrong" implementation, than to waste time dithering. 15:31:12 offby1: can not argue with that 15:31:19 it's not like you're going to be running dialysis machines on this starting next week. 15:31:54 offby1: still, I was learning ruby tell I but my self in this miss 15:32:12 didn't understand that 15:32:25 Good Foundation is what I am looking for, instead of crashing my head over the wall cause of missing concepts 15:33:03 offby1: I started to learn ruby tell I had this convo with some one who told me it's not the best thing to start with, you need something that build's a good foundation first 15:33:06 then move on 15:33:50 so I was reading on this link and found this http://htdp.org/2003-09-26/ 15:34:01 and there was a mention with it for the PLT scheme 15:34:03 and here we are 15:34:12 vieq: seriously, I would use whichever language strikes you as the most fun. 15:34:23 if it's fun, you'll use it a lot, and learn. 15:34:33 very well then 15:34:35 Ruby was fun 15:34:39 if you have a lot of friends who use ruby -- then ruby is a good choice. 15:35:02 Now, I love scheme myself; but if it seems weird to you, and no fun, and you're simply trying to learn programming: go with the fun. 15:35:29 so in general every one of them will build a good foundation? 15:35:37 I would think so. 15:35:45 listen how about this, I 'll read a book and go with my fav lang 15:35:51 sure 15:35:55 I mean a book about general concepts 15:36:05 not a book about the lang it self 15:36:08 if you're brave, try SICP 15:36:11 I have this list, sec 15:36:33 Pragmatic.The.Passionate.Programmer.May.2009 15:36:39 The Pragmatic Programmer, From Journeyman To Master - Andrew Hunt, David Thomas - Addison Wesley - 1999 15:36:43 the-practice-of-programming.9780201615869.18863 15:36:47 The.MIT.Press.Essentials.of.Programming.Languages.3rd.Edition.Apr.2008 15:36:53 V.Subramaniam, A.Hunt - Practices of an Agile Developer - Working in the Real World. 2006 15:36:55 done 15:37:13 Interesting formatting on the list there - where did that come from? 15:37:16 a couple of those sound familiar, but again; read whichever book is most enjoyable :) 15:37:18 Legitimate learning library. 15:37:28 chandler: do not ask D: 15:37:37 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 15:38:45 -!- lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39:12 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:14 offby1: they all seem to be fun since I am up to it 15:39:20 vieq: Yeah, don't do that. If you'd like to learn Scheme, there are two excellent books available freely on the web, as mentioned already. 15:39:36 vieq: here's something that works for me: find a collection of fun problems, and try to solve some. I can think of two such collections: http://programmingpraxis.com/ and http://projecteuler.net/ 15:39:44 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.145.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:50 I know the last link 15:39:56 have it on my bookmarks 15:40:03 I've only done the easy ones :) 15:40:17 :) 15:40:28 I will try making up my mind 15:40:41 thanks for the info guys 15:43:23 -!- ASau [~user@77.246.231.201] has quit [Quit: off] 15:44:21 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:44:21 asarch [~asarch@189.188.145.217] has joined #scheme 15:46:39 alvatar [~alvatar@63.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 15:46:58 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o eli 15:48:45 -!- vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has left #scheme 15:49:07 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-200-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:53:47 -!- borism [~boris@237.80.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:20 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 15:57:07 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 16:00:40 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:02:26 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:03:02 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 16:03:37 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:09:13 -!- fod [~fod@92.251.255.6.threembb.ie] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:44 rat [~quassel@c-24-22-21-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:13:41 so I read this piece of lisp code on the net "(define (map proc items) (if (null? items); nil; (cons (proc (car items))" I dont really know lisp is this a definition of map(ie map head ++map tail)? 16:20:34 rat: use the paste in /topic. 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an issue I'm running into? 23:15:53 (#chicken seems dead right now) 23:16:09 May as well ask 23:16:23 The last time someone said something was ~7 hours ago 23:16:28 oh 23:16:46 askhader, do you use chicken scheme, or some other implementation? 23:16:47 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5adb10a1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:21 imran_sr: No, sorry 23:17:23 schmir [~schmir@p54A91435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:17:29 just plain ol' racket. 23:17:35 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A91435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:37 oh well. Thanks anyway :) 23:20:15 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:35:50 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 23:37:20 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:38:28 -!- rat [~quassel@c-24-22-21-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:46:26 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 23:47:55 -!- imran_sr [~Imran@71-6-87-18.static-ip.telepacific.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:39 bohunm [~mbohun@202.124.73.129] has joined #scheme 23:49:38 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:11 -!- neilv [~user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:45 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]