00:05:32 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 00:05:51 -!- cpr420 [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 00:08:50 neilv: Sounds like you got one of these self-destructing specs. 00:08:58 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-167-198.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 00:09:10 But in any case, cgc should be considered as a bug at this point -- you should really avoid it. 00:17:52 eli: i'm aware that we'd like to move to 3m. so far it hasn't been practical 00:18:01 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-167-198.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:18:59 neilv: Perhaps you need some small example that makes cgc crash after it tries to eat all your ram? 00:20:18 eli: do you think that's likely to happen in practice? so far it hasn't, but we're only recently moving to long-running processes 00:24:23 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:24:43 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 00:25:33 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-167-198.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 00:26:22 sjamaan: Can you send me the link to your colorize port source again? 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Could I not create a macro to simplify the following statement? (cond [(or (= var1 1) (var1 2) (var1 3) ... ) do-foo)]) ? 02:31:37 binding are part of a domain specific language? 02:31:45 embedded in scheme? 02:32:35 3) trivial syntactic sugar like ($ expr) => (lambda () expr) or call-with-input-file* which takes an expr instead of a thunk 02:32:46 3 is the most debatable 02:33:07 dz0004455 [~Adium@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:33:22 azathoth99: if you write a domain specific language, it may or may not have its own concept of variables 02:35:09 when you're first learning you'll tend to overuse macros, which is fine because it gives you practice 02:35:36 when you're more experienced, you'll use macros more sparingly for those cases when they're truly needed 02:35:52 hm 02:36:05 macroes are programs that write programs? 02:36:07 or? 02:36:33 -!- hohoho_ [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:34 vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has joined #scheme 02:37:42 -!- vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has left #scheme 02:39:22 askhader: (case var1 ((1 2 3) do-foo)) 02:39:47 I had a feeling this had already been done. 02:40:21 what case can't do is handle non-literal values, for this I sometimes define a macro eval-case: 02:40:36 I see 02:40:41 (eval-case var1 (( ) do-foo)) 02:41:17 Er, I cannot seem to find eval-case in the documentation 02:42:56 so why not just define a series of prgressively more complex functions 02:42:59 using earlier ones 02:43:06 until its as simple as you need 02:43:29 -!- nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:44:55 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:45:29 azathoth99: Is this not the general best practice? 02:47:14 nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has joined #scheme 02:47:45 I know nothing 02:48:03 I do know that using shell and perl make me know that there must be something more 02:48:10 so I am checkin out lisp 02:48:15 Well that depends on what you want. 02:48:20 I want a lot of money 02:48:22 lots 02:48:25 hah. 02:48:45 i figure delivering free software solutions with lisp can be one way 02:48:56 since I see the horror of what is there now 02:49:03 I find that the most appealing thing about scheme is finding interesting ways to solve even more interesting problems. 02:49:06 askhader: that's why I said "I sometimes define ..." - I write the macro myself 02:49:11 foof: Of course. 02:49:29 yes 02:49:32 more power 02:49:42 do on a freebsd box what would take 5 windows boxen 02:49:43 etc 02:50:01 O.o 02:50:26 there are actually two useful semantics of such a function - one that evaluates the expressions only one (e.g. when you want to dispatch on constants loaded from a file or FFI), and one that evaluates the expressions every time 02:50:46 -!- askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:41 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 02:51:54 -!- askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has left #scheme 02:51:59 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@96-42-84-114.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:52:23 askhader [~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 02:52:35 timj_ [~timj@e176197058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:51 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:55:08 abusead [~abusead@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:56:25 -!- timja [~timj@e176194175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:10:58 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-161.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:40 -!- nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:16 nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has joined #scheme 03:22:47 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@96-42-84-114.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:24:40 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:28:48 -!- winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:28:53 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-76-124-164-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:07 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:31:16 MonononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:31:49 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:05 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:54:50 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:34 neilv: There are certain pathological cases that practically guarantee running into the CGC dark corners. The best example I have is a lazy stream, with code that walks down the stream either forever or for a long time, without holding the head so it is GCed. 04:04:15 In this case, pretty soon the CGC will make a mistake and hold on to one cons cell in the sequence, and from that point on the rest of the stream will be held too. 04:05:04 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@96-42-84-114.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:05:31 -!- MonononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:16 hm 04:07:14 -!- samth [~samth@c-76-24-223-184.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:23 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 04:21:58 -!- nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:17 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 04:29:35 nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has joined #scheme 04:31:19 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:40:12 burp 04:40:21 so any free ticketing systems done in scheme? 04:40:29 siag is quite cool 04:40:32 really nea 04:40:34 neat 04:40:44 I wonder also if a scheme dns server can be made easily? 04:40:53 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:41:16 -!- azathoth99 is now known as ice__^_WM 04:43:24 dns is complex 04:44:11 you could do a simple and very limited one, however 04:44:24 really? 04:44:34 I thought recursive name searches would fit quite nicely 04:45:26 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 04:46:19 what would be really nice to see in racket is a solid email list server 04:46:56 it's kinda embarrassing that all these different languages have an email list page that says "POWERED BY PYTHON" :) 04:48:27 thanks, eli. i am already pushing to get rid of all our old cgc-dependent c code so that we can move to 3m. i will keep this consideration in mind as well 04:50:19 email? 04:50:21 bleh 04:50:42 www.prevayler.org anything in racket like this yet? 04:50:46 neilv: I obviously considered it (esp. given that hideous "PYTHON POWERED" logo), but email is so horribly complex, regardless of the language. 04:52:36 eli: agreed, but i think there's a reasonable subset. and doing it as a framework rather than a canned application with all a bunch of optional/configuration functionality already coded makes it easier 04:54:06 What do you mean? 04:54:11 the C in CGC is for conservative? 04:54:22 foof: yes. the boehm collector, iirc 04:55:58 eli: if most customization (e.g., what happens when a new user attempts to join, or how do you specify a custom web page) is just done by writing a little scheme code, then you don't need to invent so many concepts and options and user interfaces and such ahead of time 04:56:15 if everyone could be forced to use shell 04:56:29 then email could be text files in your home dir 04:56:35 rsynced to you 04:56:40 "email" 04:56:49 and I think a lot fo the complexity go away 04:57:02 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-200-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:57:04 then later someone can write a bunch of layered code to make this framework look like mailman, with its crappy configuration interface 04:58:34 so, mostly, the framework would be an mta, with good factoring into components people could could with, and some kind of dispatcher 04:59:42 i wouldn't wish this upon someone who didn't already know how quirky email is in practice, however. they'd have a painful learning experience when every different mua or mta broke them in a different way :) 05:02:09 neilv: Well, the configuration stuffs are the easy part of the whole thing... It's dealing with the emails that is the major PITA. 05:02:55 If I had just the mail component, I'd be glad to jump on it -- manually subscribing people and editing options in source code until that's done. 05:05:15 I think rsync servers all we need 05:05:16 it would be fun to do. but it's hard/headache enough that i'll have to wait til i don't have a backlog of rent-paying work to do 05:06:47 mailing list support would be trivial to add to hato 05:06:53 email is conceptually incredibly simple. doing it in the very messy legacy system is the only reason it's nontrivial 05:07:40 throw it away 05:07:43 have rsync 05:07:50 foof: neat. i did not know about hato 05:08:02 and howto maintain listing of peoples mailbox would get interesting 05:08:22 but mainly about generating list of file and matching to a mailbox somewhere 05:08:26 in a nuique namesapce 05:08:33 then jsut rsync the files over 05:09:34 I'm waiting for the WG1 module system to solidify to port hato and irregex to it, and then will try to push for scheme related mailing lists to use hato. 05:10:05 is irregex nice? I heard of it 05:10:26 easier to use than perl regex? 05:11:20 it has perl-compatible regular expressions 05:12:38 it also has SREs from SCSH, a flexible API, support for matching abstract string-like data types, and is exponentially faster than perl on certain patterns 05:13:42 there's still a lot I want to do with it, though, and a module system will help a lot with implementation-specific optimizations 05:14:18 foof: looking at the project page, there's nothing terribly necessary for a mailing list -- the spam aspects of mailman is practically useless; and the MTA aspect is handled with sendmail anyway. 05:16:14 eli: right, for practical purposes it's better to separate the mail processing libraries from the MTA 05:16:39 structural regexes? 05:16:44 I heard of them 05:17:00 structural regexps are a different idea developed by the plan9 guys 05:17:09 yeah thats where!! the cat-v.org guy 05:17:19 www.cat-v.org 05:22:52 cgi+rsync to replace email! 05:23:15 anyway, I'm not saying hato doesn't need work, but as far as I've seen it's the most extensive and portable collection of mail-related libraries and it would be nice if schemers could use it as a base for our mail-related needs 05:24:51 or rsync+cgi 05:25:05 -!- ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:25 ice__^_WM: don't preach that to us, convince google, yahoo, hotmail and every existing mail provider first 05:25:39 my people talkin to their people 05:25:45 ice__^_WM: That's getting to be annoying. 05:25:46 its in the works 05:25:58 so what about www.prevayler.org 05:26:11 woudln't this be better in lisp than javaaa 05:27:14 foof: Right, if you actually use it for a mailing list, I suspect there's a whole bunch of issues that will surface. (And like I said, I'd be happy if it can deal with it -- or at least provide a base for such a thing. I'm dealing with mailman more directly now, and it just cries to be reimplemented more sanelt.) 05:27:20 s/t./y./ 05:34:12 hmmmm... mailman manages its own queue, that seems silly 05:34:33 eli: any insanity of mailman in particular bugging you? 05:37:11 -!- dz0004455 [~Adium@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:38:29 dz0004455 [~dz0004455@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:40:55 foof: Customizing it is a PITA, the way it deals with those queues is a PITA, the way it likes to lay out its default urls is obnoxious (classic example of URLs that follow implementation rather than meaning), there's no option to just quickly subscribe someone with no mail delivery (very needed for occasional posters that read the list elsewhere), the mail archiving facility is a joke, the web interface for moderati 05:40:55 on is a disaster (which I wrap with a console script to make things saner). 05:40:59 to name a few. 05:42:22 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44:54 I can actually see the need for a queue - you're sending out large volumes of mail to the same addresses, so delivering multiple messages together can be a win. 05:46:31 On the other hand, the MTA itself is better equipped to do this correctly, and just by detecting a list-id header and/or noting the # of recipients, it could automatically introduce a small lag to achieve batching. 05:47:15 burp 05:47:19 Although in practice there aren't any Scheme mailing lists with that high traffic and/or recipients. 05:47:23 just im people 05:47:27 screw email 05:50:20 foof: It has queues to deal with things like bounces of various kinds, and incoming requests and other such things that make the whole thing pretty complex. 05:50:26 ice__^_WM: Please stop that. 05:50:53 http://www.amazon.com/Funny-T-Shirts-Humorous-Slogans-Collectible/dp/B0029XBX70/ref=pd_sbs_a_4_img this is awesome 05:50:54 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/295djaz 05:50:58 sorry but had to share 05:51:48 oh, ok, and moderation queues I imagine 05:52:48 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@96-42-84-114.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 05:52:49 foof: Well, yeah -- and add digest modes and you get a bunch of fun. 05:54:36 the complexity there I just don't see - you keep an archive anyway, just record the time (and maybe issue #) of the last digest and send everything since then 05:56:57 No, digest doesn't make things complicated for queues, of course -- it makes an additional fun for packaging emails in some standard way. 05:58:13 you need to know about various mime multipart formats and their quirks anyway 05:58:42 once you can parse and handle them, generating them (assuming you force every message to plain text) is easy 05:59:02 But fo digest you need to actually convert them to text, not just parse them. 05:59:21 that's one thing hato does reasonably well 06:04:26 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:09:34 bokr [~eduska@85.26.234.139] has joined #scheme 06:15:41 can scheme make me happy? 06:16:19 eli and foof are conceiving world domination, not being whimsical 06:17:15 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 06:17:46 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:18:15 eli: sometimes the messages are already converted to text (if html but there is a plain alternate). but even if it's html, converting that to plain text reasonably is easy 06:18:27 hohoho [~hohoho@o199-186.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has joined #scheme 06:22:14 fwiw, backtraces with the plt jit have apparently been great for some time 06:27:43 neilv: Yes, the thing that seems to me more pain than html is things like chaset encodings, base64, quoted-printable, and the bazillion different kinds of mime encodings -- and the bazillion^2 ways that they're probably messed up. 06:29:19 -!- dz0004455 [~dz0004455@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:29:23 yeah, i was assuming that you would handle all the mime insanity before you added digest support, just to be robust and consistent 06:29:40 dz0004455 [~dz0004455@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:32:06 -!- dz0004455 [~dz0004455@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:52 I have (not checked in) hato-cat and hato-grep specifically for just outputting or grepping mail files as plain text. 06:36:31 They even handle some of the weirder Japanese formats used for mobile phone mail. 06:37:22 like tentacle monster format? 06:38:01 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d53fe20-CM00222d53fe1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- aehrisch [~aehrisch@vhost.knauel.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:03 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:04 -!- zarchne [~michael@209.40.67.38] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:48 And this is code I use every day on all my mail, so is one of the most stable parts of hato. 06:45:19 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:45:57 foof: in any case, as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to do a mailing list for now... 06:46:04 -!- nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:18 Oh, I forgot to say that we have about 1000 people in the general list, 06:46:32 and probably with the other lists it's about double the number. 06:47:05 eli: does that number include the people who read on mail-archive, google groups, etc? 06:47:10 And it's verbose enough to run into every possible number. 06:47:20 neilv: No -- that's just the subscribers. 06:47:28 (on the mailman list) 06:47:32 nicktick [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/nicktick] has joined #scheme 06:47:59 IIRC, just the google group mirror had about a 1000 more. 06:48:33 eli: i wonder if not being those other places would give you more impressive numbers. "3000 subscribers on the high-traffic discussion email list alone" 06:49:07 i'm thinking about conveying to funding authorities the popularity of racket, not talking about mailing list software 06:49:24 I usually use gmane stats for such things... 06:49:45 ah, so you can get numbers. nevermind, then 06:55:22 ASau [~user@77.246.230.112] has joined #scheme 06:57:14 eli: Oh, I was intending to write the mailing list module myself. 06:57:54 I just have a rough priority queue that pushes that further down the list atm. 06:58:28 Actually, practically everything is on the backburner during the R7RS process :( 06:58:36 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d53fe20-CM00222d53fe1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 06:58:36 aehrisch [~aehrisch@vhost.knauel.org] has joined #scheme 06:58:36 zarchne [~michael@209.40.67.38] has joined #scheme 06:58:45 m``_ [~m@usealice.org] has joined #scheme 06:59:36 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has joined #scheme 07:00:39 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 07:01:23 the 7 in R7RS being the number of people active right now? :) 07:02:22 :( 07:02:46 i thought R7RS was deprecated in favor of ERRRRRR5RS 07:03:44 maybe too many R's 07:04:17 adu: ERR5RS was in response to R6RS 07:04:24 oh 07:05:14 we should call R7RS ERRR5RS instead, that way when people respond to IT, then they'll call it R7RS :) 07:07:34 chandler: http://www.irp.oist.jp/trac/chicken/browser/release/4/colorize/coloring-types.scm or https://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/colorize/coloring-types.scm 07:07:35 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/22mlryy 07:07:35 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/2b8jrho 07:10:10 foof: Well, if you make it into a mailing list, then it will be much more attractive, obviously. 07:10:28 SSL error 07:10:33 yuk 07:10:52 FWIW, I was surprised to see just how many problems mailman has -- that market definitely still has openings. 07:11:35 soem plan9 [people did a mail server using regexes or something 07:11:41 tripy 07:12:25 ice__^_WM: well this is just lice procmail on the server side but with an easier interface. And it works great :) 07:12:41 hm 07:13:39 I <3 plan9 07:13:45 and Inferno 07:22:33 the user interface kinda threw me 07:22:45 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:10 schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 07:24:43 are there a lot of shops that use scheme alone for msot of thier needs? 07:24:47 most- 07:24:58 like web data analysis etc? 07:34:00 there are very few shops that use scheme at all 07:40:05 isnt that sucky 07:41:02 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d53fe20-CM00222d53fe1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:41:27 it's use is increasing. only a matter of time before people start hearing racket success stories 07:41:29 its 07:46:49 nice 07:46:57 we can hope 07:46:58 so is racket a reaction to arc? 07:47:04 masm [~masm@bl19-134-183.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 07:47:06 hahaha 07:47:11 hahaha 07:49:08 the non-mainstream, non-scheme languages that are on people's radars are things like haskell and clojure 07:51:24 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.205] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:51:47 but racket (nee plt scheme) has been around for 15 years or so 07:52:23 webserver in racket eh? 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13:22:51 at least, not w/o an account 13:23:10 Really? 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