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proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:21:34 they've loosened their restrictions, you can use embedded languages now 02:21:53 Yeah, that was never going to fly for long. 02:22:56 apple will do whatever they can get away with in the short term 02:23:28 foof: Sort of. If you have prior written permission. 02:23:48 Basically, I read that as "oops, we didn't mean to ban all the huge game publishers like EA from using Lua." 02:26:35 I read it as "FU Adobe, you can rot in hell!!!!! Oh, yeah, we don't really care what you other guys do..." 02:27:51 Well, it's vague enough that I wouldn't depend on it myself. 02:29:05 I think almost anyone would be safe with Lua. I think something using Chibi would have a decent chance. Not sure about the Gambit iPhone apps. 02:29:38 There is no safe harbor without Apple's prior written consent. 02:29:45 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE00222d53fe20-CM00222d53fe1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:29:53 What's really obnoxious is that you need Apple's permission to put your own applications on the device you allegedly own. 02:31:10 dz0004455 [~Adium@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:31:53 Indeed, and (if it's your wont to care about such things) the agreement restricts your use of the SDK itself, not just what you publish to the App Store. 02:32:37 Evil. Evil evil evil. 02:33:30 they require you to use their dev platform, and use it as the source format (no translators from other source formats) 02:33:45 Which definitely rules out Gambit or Chicken. 02:34:04 they don't want you using cross-platform toolkits, which would make it easier for you to develop for the iphone and other platforms at the same time 02:34:09 But hey, they support an open platform: HTML5! Just don't expect performance out of it. And don't try to play sounds, except in a full screen view. Or do custom video playback controls. Or use major functionality of the hardware, like the camera. Etc etc etc. 02:37:25 Azuvix [~user@174-19-226-105.bois.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:38:02 -!- nicktick [~chatzilla@202.103.95.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:48:17 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-242-33.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:49:47 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:49:56 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 02:51:16 Of course, HTML5 won't be finished until 2017, or is it 2117? 02:51:35 Who knows? 02:52:21 I'd kill to see it done earlier. 02:52:50 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:51 I hope you're attempting some kind of joke there 02:53:15 toast-prime [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:53:20 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:20 -!- toast-prime is now known as toast` 02:53:22 *eli* was about to ask who is it that's going to be killed, so perhaps the process can be delayed... 02:54:12 17SAAZ53R [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:54:19 I was thinking of finding a VERY roundabout way to implicate Bill Gates, but that might prove difficult. 02:54:42 bill gates is a humanitarian now. too late to demonize him 02:54:42 he doesn't seem like the type 02:54:55 Blech, don't remind me. 02:55:10 Actually Jobs is doing a fine job becoming the evil darklord. 02:55:18 selling shitty software is less bad than murder 02:55:35 eli: he'd certainly make a better one on film 02:55:49 eli: Very good point... I was thinking of dropping him an email and seeing if I get a "yes/no" out of him... 02:56:29 After all, his fanboys seem to think it's the gift of the gods when he writes a big "yes" on their letters... 02:57:21 neilv: BTW, sorry about the hinted killing of that thread -- I was in a hard position of being the administrator of a possibly bad thread, but otherwise I would love to write long posts about it. 02:57:21 Azuvix: you are referring to something I don't recognize 02:57:51 it's pretty hilarious that his new phone is totally broken 02:58:13 saccade: It was a story on the net for awhile. Steve Jobs stopped giving long responses to fan mail, and instead would just write "yes" or "no" and send it back to them. 02:58:24 I remember LMAO when one of the biggest features of windows 95 was single-click-to-run -- so big, that it was right up on the shrinkwrapped box. 02:58:26 what a nut 02:58:41 And the whole ipad thing is taking that stuff to a higher level of art form. 02:59:08 The most trivial things can become features worthy of great admiration -- like "folders". 02:59:24 What can it do? Oh, everything the iPod Touch can do. That's pretty much it, unless you want a word processor that shatters when you drop it. 02:59:24 single-click to act makes more sense on something that's not attempting to be an actual computer 02:59:42 (And I'm not even talking about butchering the word "multitasking".) 02:59:46 making a tv remote require double-pressing the buttons would be a bit odd 03:00:13 and the ipad is closer to a remote than to a computer 03:00:55 it even looks a bit like one! 03:01:38 hm. with the plt statistical profiler, is the sampling at fairly constant intervals? 03:02:13 It's just a thread that does a sleep and then poll -- there's no attempt at making it more uniform than that. 03:02:39 actually, i'm wondering whether it's *too* uniform 03:02:55 What do you mean? 03:03:14 Overlapping with some other threads in a way that makes the results bogus? 03:03:32 like, if you had two procedures alternating, each taking equal time, but the sampling hit the same frequency and the period made one of those two procedures invisible to it 03:04:30 -!- 17SAAZ53R [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:03 One of those "huh?" moments... 03:06:53 neilv: So just change the `#:delay' argument, no? 03:07:09 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:17 anyone else here use church much? 03:07:18 eli: i've already changed it to 0.01 03:07:25 eli: ^^^? 03:07:37 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:08:15 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:08:16 nicktick [ca675fc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 03:08:25 eli: i guess making a very small delay is probably as good as we can get 03:08:28 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:09:28 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:31 neilv: Look at "sampler.rkt" -- that's where the `sleep' is, so you can make it random and if it makes sense then it would be good to add as a feature. 03:11:09 saccade: if you mean the religious thing, then my choice would be for a synagogue, but I don't even go to those things. (Especially in this country where they're so church-like.) 03:11:59 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:38 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 03:14:14 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:33 I read saccade's question in terms of Church numerals. :-P 03:15:36 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:15:49 In which case, no, I don't use Church numerals. :-P 03:16:01 Well, I do, but only in teaching... 03:18:46 ...just about the only application you can use it for, as far as I know. :-P 03:19:13 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 03:19:35 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:43 cky: Works in Haskell, but I don't know the actual USEFULNESS... 03:21:27 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has left #scheme 03:23:25 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:51 -!- nicktick [ca675fc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.103.95.199] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:24:05 jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:24:32 jcowan: I did the math on vote thresholds, and it was not enlightening :/ 03:24:48 How, not enlightening? 03:26:05 Well, it depends much more on the pre-existing probability (what % of the items each member supports), than on where you set the cut-off, and I have no idea of the former. 03:26:54 *jcowan* nods. 03:27:03 This may be why thresholds are set a priori. 03:27:10 How many have voted so far? 03:27:16 My impression is that the turnout is crappy. 03:27:27 Ignoring the numbers, my gut tells me "make it harder for things to be changed than R6RS" but I just don't know what the right number is. 03:27:52 The current results are for 6 people, I think since then 2 more have voted. 03:28:06 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 03:28:15 I haven't actually paid any attention to the current results yet though. 03:29:20 eli: no, you'd never struck me as mentally ill 03:29:24 eli: http://projects.csail.mit.edu/church/wiki/Church 03:29:38 nicktick [~nick@202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 03:30:01 saccade: Ah, *that*. No, I only heard about it indirectly. 03:31:37 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:23 it's one of the things that lets me trade in modest snippets of my sanity to get gobs of extra time 03:33:21 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-31-129.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:34:49 Well, sounds like church then... 03:38:03 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:38:41 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.189] has joined #scheme 03:39:15 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 03:39:42 that's more like trading in gobs of sanity in order and snippets of time for a bunch of weird cultish friends 03:39:54 erm s/in order// 03:40:14 saccade: Your point being... O.o 03:40:22 (been there, done that) 03:40:31 Azuvix: whoops, off topic 03:40:56 Is there an #off-topic? 03:41:14 I was just wondering if anyone else was using church and wanted to discuss it 03:41:23 which is basically on topic 03:41:50 I have a pretty n00bish question to ask, if everyone can contain their laughter. 03:42:01 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 03:42:22 There's a mailing list offline@unicode.org where you can have discussions that have been "taken offline". 03:42:35 jcowan: would you please stop, it is _not_ minority rule! 03:43:24 Apparently not the best time to ask... 03:44:29 i believe that newbie questions have always been welcome on #scheme 03:45:21 I will stop, since you request and require it as Chair. But I continue to hold the same opinions. 03:45:33 Azuvix: Go for it. 03:46:03 Well, I started out with plt-scheme, and it seems to be the most complete implementation. I've only recently tried Guile. Can anyone recommend others? 03:46:42 uh oh (^_^) 03:46:50 Whoops. 03:46:56 Different implementations serve different purposes, as well as catering to different tastes. 03:46:57 jcowan: Actually, the straight ranked-pairs or other preferential voting systems do allow minority (<50% approval) votes to win. 03:47:05 chicken is another popular one 03:47:30 i just use plt 99.9% of the time. it's now called "racket" 03:47:48 I should probably rephrase the question. What I mean is, is there one that's as-well developed? 03:47:51 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:08 Definitely Racket = PLT has the most features. 03:48:39 Azuvix: it really depends, but if you have no specific needs and are just learning you're probably best off with PLT for now 03:48:58 foof: I figured as much. :) 03:49:11 Thanks everyone, that works. 03:52:18 jcowan: that outburst was not as the chair, and you're welcome to object - I just get annoyed by charged catch phrases for some reason 03:53:03 I feel no need to say more on the list. 03:53:16 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53:58 Azuvix: it doesn't really matter -- if you've done any serious programming before PLT will probably seem least alien 03:54:33 I know the first time I made C and Scheme communicate, I felt like I was eating gum-drop pizza... 03:55:03 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-39-73.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:05 Very unusual. Kinda fun, though. 03:55:15 outside the matrix you were -- it's the only way, really 03:55:15 Well, there is always glue. You either need strange-looking C as glue, or strange-looking Scheme as glue, depending on the implementation. 03:55:39 racket will let you do it either way 03:55:49 This is true. About how often do you get bugged about a Scheme OS? :D 03:56:10 at one point, racket (plt) ran atop oskit 03:56:37 there's something called dreamos 03:57:13 and plt wrote a paper on it. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=317793 03:57:21 Yep, I gave it a whirl. I really liked dreamos. 03:57:53 Only thing was, I wanted some kind of editor other than the vi clone and didn't want to write it myself. >.< 03:58:21 i've been wanting to put chibi on bare metal for a while now too 03:58:28 bokr [~eduska@94.41.225.185.dynamic.ufanet.ru] has joined #scheme 03:58:31 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/scheme/pubs/icfp99-ffkf.pdf 03:59:29 Whether or not it were a success, it'd be cool. 03:59:40 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:42 One more question and I'll call it good. 04:01:24 I know that MIT/GNU Scheme has Edwin. Are there any Emacs-like editors written in Scheme? Or is that actually the one example? 04:02:06 Most non-Racketeers use Emacs itself with an appropriate interface program. 04:02:12 i think that there have been various attempts, and at one point emacs was to be rewritten in scheme, but i haven't heard of any other than edwin being used 04:02:46 jcowan: I ought to know, I'm one of them. :D 04:03:31 *jcowan* nods. 04:03:33 Of course, that's neat, but the demand wouldn't be high at the moment. 04:04:55 Another idea was to replace Emacs Lisp with Guile, but that too didn't go anywhere. 04:05:20 Dang, I want to see that... 04:05:22 Feh. 04:05:23 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:24 personally I care more about emacs than about any particular language 04:05:28 I worry about it dying 04:05:57 emacs isn't going to die for decades 04:06:01 saccade: Emacs? Dying? What leads you to worry about that? 04:06:19 if an implementation based on cobol somehow seemed like it had better survival characteristics, I'd cowboy up and learn me some cobol 04:06:36 eh, I just worry a lot 04:06:44 everyone needs a hobby 04:07:10 Ah, okay. Well, if it's any consolation, if there were any risk, I'd push it onto my own server and make it available that way. 04:07:15 vim is eating a lot of emacs's lunch lately, and lots of people will use eclipse when they might've learned emacs instead, but there are growing numbers of young developers using linux, and some significant percentage of them pick up emacs 04:07:50 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:07:55 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 04:07:58 Anywho, I'm gonna call it a night. Take care. 04:08:06 -!- Azuvix [~user@174-19-226-105.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:13 the real answer is that there's a lot of slick integration that things like eclipse / xcode / visual studio have, and that emacs just doesn't 04:08:59 it's an unfavorable selective pressure 04:09:21 even when i use drracket or visual studio or eclipse or aptana, i still use emacs too 04:09:36 yeah 04:09:57 but I'm kind of a partisan 04:10:10 and get annoyed at everything else 04:15:56 kar8nga [~kar8nga@91-114-224-77.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 04:17:34 *offby1* is merely set in his ways 04:18:20 SET! in your ways? 04:18:54 -!- hybrid_mind [~hybrid_mi@unaffiliated/hybrid-mind/x-023851] has quit [Quit: hybrid_mind] 04:20:45 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:29:32 -!- nicktick is now known as nicktick_ 04:30:18 -!- nicktick_ is now known as nicktick_away 04:30:51 -!- nicktick_away [~nick@202.103.95.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:38 nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 04:44:16 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 04:50:54 jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:17:50 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22:03 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 05:22:29 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:25:56 -!- nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:30:36 nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 05:32:27 -!- fitzgen is now known as fitzgen|away 05:34:43 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34:43 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 05:43:02 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:47:10 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:52:01 wingo [~wingo@83.44.188.215] has joined #scheme 05:52:47 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:49 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 05:56:16 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:36 -!- nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has left #scheme 05:58:42 |nicktick| [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 06:01:59 -!- |nicktick| is now known as nicktick 06:02:34 -!- dz0004455 [~Adium@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:02:37 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Quit: off] 06:08:25 mbishop [~martin@adsl-222-17-124.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 06:14:51 -!- rmrfchik_ is now known as rmrfchik 06:19:18 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:29:57 foof: up? 06:36:29 down! 06:37:24 side-to-side! 06:37:49 *foof* dances 06:47:56 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 06:49:56 -!- nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net] 06:52:01 nicktick [~nicktick@202.103.95.199] has joined #scheme 06:54:29 ASau [~user@77.246.230.77] has joined #scheme 06:56:00 foof: confused about this -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)#First-class_continuations 06:56:11 particularly, why order matters 06:56:29 is there a way to write extensible macros? where i can extend some part of the macro extension? 06:58:44 saccade: why what order matters? 06:58:53 ecraven: what do you mean by extensible? 06:59:38 foof: for example, i want to create a DEFINE-CLASS macro where a part of the macro extension (the slot definition) can be extended somehow, so that the user can later add additional ways to define slots 07:00:19 there are different ways to do this 07:01:08 DEFINE-CLASS can define the class as a macro itself, which is called into when subclassing 07:02:05 alternately, you can manage values in the syntactic environment - this has issues with phasing, and usually breaks completely with batch compilation 07:04:06 devslashnull [~james@220-253-175-53.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #scheme 07:04:12 foof: that's my problem, it i hard not to run into problems with phasing. and the class should be an object, not a macro :( 07:05:27 i'd have to get at the metaclass object from the macro, and call methods in that metaclass (which definitely leads to problems, as the metaclass is probably not defined in the macro's definition environment) 07:08:21 ecraven: the aggressive phase separation is there to prevent you from even trying to attempt this - even if you could get it working, it will almost certainly break later with batch compilation 07:08:22 -!- incubot [~incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:22 hm.. then how would i get this to work? 07:11:17 -!- neilv [~user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:13:37 incubot [incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 07:14:42 making the classname a macro is the only portable way 07:15:46 foo :( 07:15:56 kercyr [~kercyyyr@c-98-212-25-205.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:16:11 if the classname is a macro, then class creation must be a macro too, right? 07:16:40 DEFINE-CLASS must be a macro 07:17:14 so i can't create classes by (MAKE ..) any longer? 07:17:23 the classname could then be a macro for which (classname 'self) returns some runtime class 07:17:58 and (classname 'fields) returns the fields, etc. 07:18:32 Is there a rigorous definition of purity with respect to functional languages? 07:18:36 you can still have anonymous first-class classes, they just can't use the compile-time optimization you want 07:21:38 ecraven: this is part of the controversy regarding syntactic vs. procedural records in R6RS and the current WG 07:23:38 wg? 07:23:41 working group? 07:24:10 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:25:03 yeah 07:28:26 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has 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host closed the connection] 22:35:36 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-245-34.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:35 ws [wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl] has joined #scheme 23:03:20 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:03:57 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 23:09:58 -!- stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:20 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 23:15:25 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:21:14 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 23:24:14 how can I create a textual port from a binary port? 23:24:51 I have a network connection and get a binary port from the socket library but the protocol is textual and uses \r\n as EOL characters 23:25:16 I saw this: http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs-lib/r6rs-lib-Z-H-9.html#node_sec_8.2.4 but I have no idea how I can build a conversion function 23:26:47 maybe transcoded-port, but I don't know 23:28:21 -!- aintme [~user@37.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:44 rbarraud [~rbarraud@124-197-5-216.callplus.net.nz] has joined #scheme 23:29:44 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:31:17 oh, yeah, transcoded-port with make-transcoder 23:32:35 _rata_ [~rata@pc-159-139-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #scheme 23:33:09 now I have this: http://xivilization.net/hg/sandbox/file/708765432050/grv8.scm 23:33:34 but (read port) does not return the whole line but only the text until the first space 23:33:35 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-154-139.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:43 is there a (read-line port) ? 23:35:49 answering my own question again: yep, there is get-line 23:36:03 *Leonidas* loves this channel, just 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