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has a pattern matcher built in 11:41:44 myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 11:41:55 But I doubt that's what you're looking for ;) 11:42:12 Wright's MATCH macro is pretty widespread AFAIK 11:42:52 See the "matchable" egg in chicken 11:43:01 PLT has a similar library 11:44:23 http://synthcode.com/scheme/match.scm for the portable R5RS version 11:44:37 -!- dzhus89 [~sphinx@95-26-55-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: -_-] 11:45:23 dzhus [~sphinx@95-26-55-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 11:50:45 -!- morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:17 jao [~jao@83.43.34.249] has joined #scheme 11:55:26 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-26-55-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: -_-] 12:05:20 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-254-163.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 12:05:51 alvatar [~alvatar@207.149.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 12:10:49 rbarraud [~rbarraud@124-197-5-216.callplus.net.nz] has 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hopefully wg1 and wg2 for r7rs succeed in this 13:41:07 is pattern matching in wg2? 13:41:13 I hope 13:41:20 LOL @ "common scheme" 13:41:42 :D 13:41:43 karme [~user@tmo-100-116.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #scheme 13:41:47 It's likely that wg2 will include lots of useful features 13:42:00 wg1's task is to make that possible 13:42:40 I understand that. Wg1's goal: make everything possible 13:42:45 yes 13:43:00 At this point someone should cite the Prime Clingerism ;) 13:43:10 wg2's: make a common interface 13:43:13 That's what wg1 is about 13:43:25 And indeed, wg2 should make Scheme more broadly usable in practice 13:44:38 I have been reading let over lambda today (a book on macro programming) 13:45:01 wg1 common semantics wg2 common syntax wg3 common pragmatics... wg4 common sense wg5 come on... 13:45:28 heh! 13:45:31 sjamaan: have you read it? 13:45:44 morphir: Bits and pieces. I didn't leave much of an impression 13:45:51 s/I/It/ 13:46:14 yeah, he is very biased 13:47:04 I have not come across any books, or articles that explains the use of macros in scheme 13:48:01 Try http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/scheme/gauche/define-syntax-primer.txt 13:48:12 I suppose http://library.readscheme.org/page3.html would be a start when I think about it 13:48:18 There are some bits on the Chicken wiki as well 13:48:27 oh, nice! 13:51:04 sjamaan: that article found its way to the printer 13:51:52 Poor trees ;) 13:52:25 all the examples I have read, has either been a while loop or some overfunky alien macro 13:52:49 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:20 Coming up with good examples is hard 13:53:32 Have you seen COND or LET written as macros? 13:53:51 nope 13:53:59 HG` [~HG@xdslev038.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 13:56:31 *bremner* is amused that lispers are the only community he knows so hardcore that they can't even be bothered to wrap a text file in
to post it on the web :) 13:57:23 sjamaan pasted "let and cond as syntax-rules" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111603 13:57:41 bremner: :) 13:57:45 thanks :) 13:58:09 Crap, forgot to colorize as Scheme 13:58:19 I thought it always picked "default for this channel" 13:59:18 I think we can do without color :) 13:59:46 whoops 13:59:48 afaik. if is based uppon the cond 13:59:50 I didn't paste all of it 14:00:38 (if) is syntax sugar for (cond) 14:01:49 cond is syntax sugar for if. 14:01:59 sjamaan pasted "cond and let as syntax-case (take 2)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111604 14:02:00 actually I suppose macros a the one and only tool to create syntactic sugar 14:02:10 yeah 14:02:30 As you see, cond can be syntactic sugar for if 14:02:39 But if can indeed also be syntactic sugar for cond 14:02:59 depending of who you implement first 14:03:04 yeah 14:03:06 -!- sladegen_ is now known as sladegen 14:03:13 They could also both be built-ins 14:06:29 karme` [~user@stgt-5f70b9a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 14:07:46 so to make a conclusion one can say: you build your parts in functions, and you use the parts in macros to create abstract interfaces that make more sense to the programmer 14:08:09 In the case of cond/let that's not exactly true 14:08:10 -!- karme [~user@tmo-100-116.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08:16 Those are only macros because they have to shortcut evaluation 14:08:39 You only want it to evaluate a consequence if its precondition matches 14:09:01 In general, you should avoid using macros if at all possible 14:09:37 Sometimes macros can make things a little more convenient. 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