00:01:20 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:01:22 Paraselene [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #scheme 00:05:00 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.135.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:16 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:15:21 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-72-192.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 00:17:42 Er I'm working on the web-app tutorial on plt-scheme and when I tried to compile a basic web server I get this error /usr/lib/plt/collects/web-server/insta/lang/compiled/reader_ss.zo::0: read (compiled): code compiled for version 4.2.0.6, not 4.0.1 00:17:48 How should I rectify this? 00:18:04 Upgrade? 00:19:17 recompile? 00:19:50 recompile mzscheme? 00:20:10 which mzscheme binary are you using? 00:20:16 just 'mzscheme' 00:20:22 'which mzscheme' 00:20:29 i mean literally type that 00:20:33 Sorry =P 00:20:41 /usr/bin/mzscheme 00:21:09 mzscheme -v 00:21:22 4.0.1 00:21:39 is this a machine you control? 00:21:44 as in, do you have root 00:22:11 It's the computer science club for my university, I can request upgrades. 00:22:55 somehow you have the wrong binary version installed 00:23:07 you could just compile plt yourself 00:23:19 I'd just use my machine 00:23:31 But I'm doing it on theirs because I can actually build a functional webserver/site to run 00:27:13 lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-18-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 00:29:18 askhader: 4.0.1 is nearly two years old; I'd definitely suggest requesting an upgrade. 00:31:49 i guess someone tried to upgrade to 4.2.0.6 00:34:18 bzzzzzzzzt! thanks for playing :( 00:34:30 ...and failed :) 00:34:49 lol 00:34:52 Likely. 00:35:08 The systems committe at my computer science only recently started to get their act together. 00:35:22 sobered up? 00:35:24 lol 00:35:25 THAT too 00:35:33 im still working on that 00:35:34 Actually, they're still not very sober. 00:35:38 =P 00:38:11 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@63.149.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:38:31 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:40:32 -!- seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:40:43 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:41:49 what on earth do 'car' and 'cdr' stand for? 00:42:26 lewis1711: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/HaCAR_CDR.html 00:43:11 haha, I see. it's shrouded in mystery:D 00:43:24 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.96] has joined #scheme 00:44:36 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@2607:f2c0:f00e:500:222:15ff:fe91:b24c] has joined #scheme 00:48:05 Content of Address part of Register, and Content of Decrement part of Register. Easy. 00:48:06 -!- twopoint718 [~chris@adsl-71-150-249-225.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:42 lewis1711: it doesn't matter really. we could have choosen to name the two slots of a pair foo and bar, or up and down, or whatever. 00:48:55 -!- ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:59 ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 00:49:31 lewis1711: on the other and, it's nice if they have a different initial, so that we can write: cfbffbr instead of (cfr (cbr (cfr (cfr (cbr x))))) :-) 00:49:55 jcowan [~jcowan@taconic-aa-p443.taconic.net] has joined #scheme 00:54:01 -!- ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:55:31 ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 00:59:23 asarch [~asarch@187.132.137.22] has joined #scheme 01:00:37 -!- ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00:53 ski [~slj@c-0712e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 01:05:38 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:24 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 01:06:26 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:26:21 -!- geirr [~geirr@cm-84.215.147.252.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: God's away on Business.] 01:29:24 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:01 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-35-203.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31:15 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:36:04 prince [~prince@203.246.179.177] has joined #scheme 01:36:14 -!- mmc1 [~michal@cs181176076.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:11 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-35-203.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 01:50:59 bombshelter13b_ [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 01:52:47 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:54:06 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-72-192.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10:42 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:11:27 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:59 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:19:29 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:00 arcfide pasted "Dealing with Wraps" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111280 02:20:05 So... 02:20:17 I've managed to condense my little question and concern down into a very simple macro problem. 02:20:31 FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-55-72.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 02:20:40 The above paste is a transcript of variations on a theme of two macros: make and use. 02:21:10 MAKE defines a macro that expands into some code, wrapping some identifiers to a specific wrap at the call site. 02:21:31 USE controls what wraps are passed to such a defined macro. 02:22:19 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:33 If you look at the definition of USE that takes two forms, and the subsequent behavior that I get, that's what I want, but I want to do so without requiring the extra form. 02:23:03 Initially I thought doing something like the extra identifier in the with-implicit would work, but I think this is wrapped incorrectly, so I'm wondering if any of you know how to do this. 02:23:50 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-33-195.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:25:07 Aha! 02:25:24 And, like magic, the answer comes to me after I explain myself to the group. 02:31:08 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-113-17.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:33:23 arcfide: you're welcome 02:34:04 foof: Indeed. 02:36:14 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 02:49:53 -!- lewis1711 [~lewis@125-239-18-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #scheme 02:56:40 Teddybot lives. 02:56:45 So I've finally remapped the 24 function keys on this keyboard to NEdit functions. 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because of an aggressive search bot) 07:36:12 mmmdonuts: long time no see! 08:01:11 twb [~twb@nat064.cyber.com.au] has joined #scheme 08:01:42 So I'm stuck on scsh (don't ask). Can I compare a procedure to itself in scsh? 08:02:13 i.e. something like (define (f x ) x) (let ((x f) (y f)) (equal? x y)) ==> #t 08:02:21 masm [~masm@2.80.150.137] has joined #scheme 08:03:17 Hmm, looks like that worked. So either it doesn't work through a $fluid, or I've screwed up somewhere. 08:07:55 kuribas [~user@d54C438C5.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 08:09:40 -!- tltstc` [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: tltstc`] 08:10:17 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:12:42 twb: in that case (equal? x y) because (eq? x y) 08:13:07 Nod. 08:13:08 but try (equal? 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09:48:10 I've been using r5rs since I started with scheme, partially because I liked gambit very much, but now I have problems with gambit 09:48:14 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:21 Ikarus seems pretty fast 09:48:45 but not mantained 09:48:54 What problems do you have with gambit? 09:50:08 sjamaan: I believe is because of Blackhole (a module system for gambit), but it takes just too long to run my program every time 09:50:43 so I loose one of the benefits of scheme against, say, C, D 09:50:53 Did you ask about that on the ML? 09:51:12 Just switching implementations like that isn't the best way to solve performance issues :) 09:51:12 sxpath hurts my brain every time i try to use it. 09:51:16 well, I asked the programmer that makes blackhole 09:51:49 it's because of the macro system implementation 09:51:58 and that the module system is implemented as a macros 09:52:17 then the performance of the compiled programs is REALLY nice 09:52:23 is just the development 09:52:37 wingo-pi: yeah, sxpath is weird 09:57:40 it's tough to get something as reasonable as a title of a web page 09:57:46 (define (page-titles page) 09:57:46 ((sxpath '(// head title *any*)) page)) 09:58:05 you'll get a list there.. then how do you treat N != 1. 09:58:12 i guess that' just xml. 09:58:45 wingo-pi: what do you mean by N != 1? 09:58:56 you want the cdr of that list? 09:59:17 (I guess that's not what you want, but that's why I don't understand N != 1) 09:59:38 jao [~user@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 10:00:26 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 10:03:48 how do you usually handle in r5rs "modules" without a module system? do you include everything in every file you need it? 10:04:31 Most schemes have a nonportable module system 10:04:34 or you are supposed to have a perfectly hierarchical structure where everthing from above will include its "parent" files (which is hard to design) 10:04:48 well, bare gambit doesn't :( 10:05:06 Some portable programs include wrappers for specific systems that pull in the portable code 10:05:08 that's the ONLY reason I'm thinking of moving to r6rs 10:06:11 I'm not sure what's wrong with blackhole, but perhaps you can help optimize it? 10:06:50 Chicken is an r5rs scheme with a good module system 10:07:27 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:35 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C438C5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:08:12 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 10:08:55 sjamaan: yes, I do actually want to dive into blackhole, and help with it. I've been doing little things for it 10:09:15 but at the moment I need to finish a project and I'm a bit running out of time :) 10:09:22 (typical) 10:09:49 Switching to another scheme is hardly going to save more time :) 10:09:57 of course! 10:10:00 I'm not going to do it 10:10:02 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:09 but I want to consider it for next project 10:10:17 I might start another one soon using scheme 10:10:31 either that or improve blackhole 10:10:59 I want to make a 2d geometry library in portable scheme 10:14:47 Chicken people (or at least some of the core programmers) are very much against r6rs AFAIK 10:16:47 yes 10:17:52 But so is Marc Feeley AFAIK 10:20:59 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #scheme 10:21:04 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 10:32:31 portable code is overrated, methinks 10:40:16 Mohamdu 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Is there a somefunction in scheme that does the job? 17:25:33 zip? 17:26:19 No, I'm on crack, never mind. 17:26:56 asarch [~asarch@187.132.136.135] has joined #scheme 17:27:23 You probably want a combination of map and unzip2 from SRFI-1. 17:27:51 hmm.. 17:28:06 (map (lambda (v) (apply + v)) '((1 2) (3 4)) => '(3 7) 17:28:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-66-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:29:16 incubot: (apply + (map (cut apply + <>) '((2 3) (5 6) (1 2)))) 17:29:16 Error: unbound variable: <> 17:29:33 whoops; what jonrafkind said 17:29:59 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-36-200.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:30:50 klutometis: you probably meant (map (cut apply + <>) '((2 3) (5 6) (1 2))) 17:30:54 incubot: (map (lambda (v) (apply + v)) '((1 2) (3 4) ( 5 6)) ) 17:30:55 (3 7 11) 17:31:00 hmm 17:31:04 (define (map-apply proc) (lambda (vs) (map (lambda (v) (apply proc v)) vs))) ; ((map-apply +) '((1 2) (3 4))) 17:31:11 now Im trying to understand that 17:31:23 do you know what map does 17:32:11 well quite. I know that it gets a function and some lists and the number of lists must be equation to the number of params of the list, then.. 17:32:32 right 17:32:40 it applies the function using the first element of each list as a param 17:32:47 then the second elements and so on 17:32:51 right 17:33:02 if I could transpose the list I could get what I want with map 17:33:16 kinda 17:33:27 is that what your code does? 17:33:35 you want to add 1+3+5 ? 17:33:53 uh? your code does what I want 17:34:02 ok so you dont want the transpose 17:34:05 Im just trying to figure out how it works now 17:34:18 the transpose of '((1 2) (3 4) (5 6)) would be (+ 1 3 5) (+ 2 4 6) 17:34:44 it boils down to (apply + '(1 2)) 17:35:06 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-57-82-249-60-10.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:35:54 I mean...to get what I want with map using this list for example '((1 2) (3 4) (5 6)) I would have to transpose it to '(1 3 5) and '(2 4 6) and calling (map + '(1 3 5) '(2 4 6)) => (3 7 11) 17:35:58 mario-goulart: exactly; i thought there was an extra addition requirede for some reason 17:38:07 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@static.77.8.networkiowa.com] has joined #scheme 17:40:17 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:41:11 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 17:41:31 incubot: (apply (lambda vs (apply map + vs)) '((1 2) (3 4) (5 6))) 17:41:31 (9 12) 17:41:37 oh thats not what you want 17:42:02 in your function you call map on one list with the unnamed lambda(v) . this map will call lambda(v) with (1 2) first, then with (3 4) then with (5 6)...in general for each element of that list, which is a whole list of parameters. 17:42:39 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:46 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:43:57 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:44:35 in lambda(v) you call apply for each of those parameter lists, then you get (apply v '(1 2)), (apply v '(2 3)), (apply v '(5 6))...and each apply will apply the function for that parameter only, effectively calling (v 1 2), (v 2 3)... 17:44:43 I think this is what happens 17:46:55 v is '(1 2), its applying + to v 17:47:15 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-52-82-65-74-223.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:51:39 MichaelRaskin_ [~raskin@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 17:54:58 google sucks when I try to search stuff about Scheme.. 17:56:11 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [~raskin@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 18:05:02 saint_cypher_ [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 18:05:20 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-183.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 18:06:53 xissburg: the same applies to languages like go and R; there are some heuristics, though, like adding "language", "lambda", etc. 18:08:10 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:09:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-33-125.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:13 -!- xwl [~user@125.34.170.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:40 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 18:10:23 -!- saint_cypher_ [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:49 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:17:11 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:17:51 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:18:13 why I can't use (newline)? do I have to (use) some library? 18:20:38 xissburg: what implementation are you using? 18:21:01 hm Chicken (?) 18:21:09 with eclipse 18:21:26 (newline) should work without any (use ...) 18:22:01 oh it does indeed...there may be another problem then.. 18:22:06 :-) 18:22:39 incubot: (for-each (lambda (x) ((display x) (newline))) '(1 2)) 18:22:39 Error: call of non-procedure: # 18:22:43 why? 18:23:30 Because you are trying to call ((display x) (newline)). 18:24:03 Probably you want (begin (display x) (newline)) 18:24:14 hm I want to display each element of the list in a line 18:24:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-66-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:59 -!- Hydr4 is now known as Hal9k 18:25:15 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:25:15 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 18:25:27 incubot: (for-each (lambda (x) (begin (display x) (display "\#newline"))) '(1 2)) 18:25:28 Warning: undefined escape sequence in string - probably forgot backslash 18:26:03 with begin works 18:26:10 but what is the begin for? never seen that 18:26:31 I always create lambdas without begin 18:26:44 xissburg: http://3e8.org/chickadee/scheme/begin 18:27:19 so without begin the expressions are executed in any order? 18:27:24 BTW, xissburg, you may find http://3e8.org/chickadee/ very useful. 18:27:24 saint_cypher_ [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 18:28:01 hm thanks 18:28:02 xissburg: actually the evaluation starts from the innermost to the outermost. 18:31:05 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@static.77.8.networkiowa.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 18:32:36 jao [~user@83.42.210.239] has joined #scheme 18:32:53 MichaelRaskin_ [~raskin@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 18:34:38 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [~raskin@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 18:35:14 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:51:19 choas [~lars@p5B0DD60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:55:19 -!- slilo [~user@host-94-251-99-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:22 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 18:56:47 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-36-200.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:14:54 Belaf [~campedel@194.209.131.192] has joined #scheme 19:15:00 -!- Belaf [~campedel@194.209.131.192] has left #scheme 19:19:18 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #scheme 19:24:45 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: i want to be formal but i'm here to party] 19:26:18 -!- saccade [~saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-THIRTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:32:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-66-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:37:05 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:39 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-36-200.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:17:12 Fare [~Fare@tui75-1-81-57-73-68.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 20:25:08 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 20:31:26 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 20:31:41 -!- xissburg [~chatzilla@187.3.11.184] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 20:32:04 -!- seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:52 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #scheme 20:35:55 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:38:04 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 20:39:27 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.136.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:08 asarch [~asarch@187.132.136.135] has joined #scheme 20:43:20 langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has joined #scheme 20:55:54 wingo [~wingo@81.38.180.28] has joined #scheme 20:56:18 Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 20:56:26 evening, schemers 20:57:45 Hi wingo! 20:58:01 'evening 21:00:45 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:02:55 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-109-232.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 21:03:56 -!- bburhans [einstein@unvanquished/developer/bpb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:02 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:04:56 bburhans [einstein@unvanquished/developer/bpb] has joined #scheme 21:06:29 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:09:08 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:25 psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #scheme 21:14:44 davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has joined #scheme 21:15:14 schmir [~schmir@p57ADF391.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:15:19 So - I'm learning macros in scheme (r6rs). Using an extremely simple example (http://pastebin.org/322088), I'd like to make x optional - that is, you can either specify it or not. How can I do that? 21:15:45 If you don't specify it, it should expand to 0 instead of (+ x 3) 21:15:59 psiblue: you have to have two cases: one with, one without. 21:16:00 *If you don't specify x, it should expand to 0 instead of (+ x 3) 21:16:26 s/cases/clauses/ 21:17:07 psiblue: just add a new syntax case: ((_) 0) 21:17:17 A new syntax case? 21:17:25 clause 21:17:25 Ah 21:17:27 -!- outworlder [~stephen@189.90.170.251] has left #scheme 21:17:29 yeah that makes sense. 21:17:31 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-66-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:18:09 What if my macro is extremely long 21:18:20 wouldn't it be repetitive to have several syntax cases like that? 21:19:14 break it into smaller pieces then 21:19:47 wingo: Can you expand on that a bit? 21:19:47 (syntax-rules () ((_) (foo 0)) ((_ x) (+ x 3))) 21:20:05 that is another option, a recursive expansion 21:20:16 (foo) -> (foo 0) -> 1-arg case 21:20:21 oh 21:20:25 that's clever 21:20:30 perfect 21:20:32 psiblue: i meant to use helper macros. 21:20:42 ah 21:20:44 you might enjoy jrm's syntax-rules doc 21:20:58 http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/scheme/gauche/define-syntax-primer.txt 21:21:01 I think the recursive expansion's good for my purposes; thanks. 21:21:13 And thanks for the link :) 21:21:19 np. happy hacking :) 21:22:42 I'll probably be back soon with more questions :). That doc looks good btw 21:28:56 hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC59E77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:47 -!- Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:24 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:29 -!- Dark-Star is now known as Dark-Star|away 21:46:00 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-12-42.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:19 -!- psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:48:23 -!- ws [wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:49:03 arcfide [~arcfide@99.75.51.152] has joined #scheme 21:50:09 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 21:50:21 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-154-135.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:51:58 psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:39 Not sure if my last message came through, looks like i was d/c'd: 21:52:48 Got another question - http://pastebin.org/322146 21:52:54 How would that allow me to use foo? 21:55:28 (foo + 1 2 3) 21:57:39 -!- psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:39 davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has joined #scheme 22:13:55 pookleblinky [~pookle@cpe-67-252-154-25.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:15:45 -!- Fare [~Fare@tui75-1-81-57-73-68.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:19 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DD60A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:24:09 -!- seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:48 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:12 -!- schmir [~schmir@p57ADF391.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:30:23 chupish [~182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.46.211.71] has joined #scheme 22:30:53 -!- chupish [~182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.46.211.71] has left #scheme 22:35:51 Fare [~Fare@tui75-1-81-57-73-68.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 22:43:18 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:54 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-24-28-30-165.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: I'm big in Japan] 22:47:30 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:49:35 -!- Fare [~Fare@tui75-1-81-57-73-68.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54:51 nostrand [~rickard@h-62-207.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 22:55:38 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs526.ash1/30935_130676886944927_100000078505248_337944_2827351_n.jpg 22:55:38 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/244mqoz 22:56:25 argh! not scheme there =/ 22:59:37 twopoint718 [~chris@adsl-71-150-249-225.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:09:07 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.73.145] has joined #scheme 23:11:17 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:16:52 -!- wingo [~wingo@81.38.180.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:19:22 -!- winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:21:05 winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:26:39 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:31:10 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Quit: felipe] 23:34:10 devslashnull [~james@202.3.37.207] has joined #scheme 23:34:10 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:34:31 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:10 -!- winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:54 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:46 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@63.149.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:57:00 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC59E77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:44 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.150.137] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:58:49 -!- saint_cypher_ [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:58:52 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme