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02:12:01 string-ci=? 02:13:16 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 02:17:34 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:22:40 foof: Thank you sir 02:25:36 -!- xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:00 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 02:31:13 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:15 klutometis: i double-checked the original docs, and match-define is not a shortcut for define+match-lambda, it's a shortcut for define+match as I originally thought 02:37:24 i.e. it's similar in usage to define-values 02:37:59 which is why i never bothered implementing it 02:38:29 -!- winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:44:33 foof: Hopefully I'll have the JSON library in a couple of days. 02:46:58 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:47:14 Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:48:43 jcowan: cool... you'll have to wait a little before I setup a CPAN-like system 02:49:20 foof: Oh, cool, what's going online? :-) 02:50:32 if nothing else it will become a distribution mechanism for my projects like irregex, hato, and fmt that are large enough I don't want to distribute them in the core chibi bundle 02:50:47 -!- Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:51:14 I'll just continue posting to the chibi mailing list. 02:51:53 The JSON lib depends on the JSO (JavaScript Object) lib I already posted there. 02:52:37 timj__ [~timj@e176195062.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:30 -!- FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-55-244.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56:11 -!- timj_ [~timj@e176194045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:56:55 foof: IIRC, every time you create a new record type, several opcodes are allocated on the fly, and presumably the number of opcodes is fairly limited. 02:57:04 Is that correct? 02:58:30 partially 02:59:09 caused by confusion in my naming - several new "primitives" are created 03:00:36 certain opcodes have satellite data, such as the function pointers for FCALL opcodes, and the type values for the generic predicate/constructor/accessor opcodes 03:01:25 so you can essentially have an unlimited # of these types of primitives 03:01:31 Okay, that's good. 03:02:02 I wish there were a way to extend the printer for record objects. 03:02:37 in practice, each user-defined type gets a numeric id which is never recycled, and you only have 2^16 ids on 32-bit machines and 2^32 ids on 64-bit machines, which places a limit on types 03:02:43 i may try to recycle ids later 03:03:21 2^16 is fair enough 03:03:41 adding printer customization is not hard, i'll certainly add that sooner or later 03:05:15 i'm actually really itching to get back to hacking chibi and just haven't had time 03:05:40 the native x86 backend works well enough to run factorial though :) 03:08:42 *jcowan* wonders if a register VM would be better for chibi than a stack VM 03:09:11 a la Lua 03:14:51 or android 03:15:47 Or Opera's JS interpreter. 03:19:06 foof: Well, make time, dammit! Or at a pinch buy some extra time from the Zeepsday folks. 03:19:28 or Dis 03:19:39 (insert any other examples of register-based VMs here!) 03:21:50 Whats the difference between a register and a stack based virtual machine? 03:22:01 They use a stack instead of registers? 03:27:53 Yes. In stack-based VMs, operations find their arguments on the top few locations of a stack instead of between registers. 03:29:42 s/between/in 03:30:34 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@taconic-aa-p443.taconic.net] has quit [Quit: Bailing out] 03:31:03 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 03:34:18 Is the advantage an easier way to translate it to hardware since CPU's mainly use registers also? 03:35:50 seamus_android [~AW@212.183.140.63] has joined #scheme 03:36:42 -!- MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:37:45 -!- r2q2 [~user@c-24-7-212-58.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:46 -!- seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:18 -!- carter [~carter@cpe-66-65-17-10.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:49 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:53 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-244-123.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:07 -!- seamus_android [~AW@212.183.140.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:54:12 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-192-151.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:54:31 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 03:58:28 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 04:04:35 have any of you guys played around with Go, by the way? 04:05:00 it's like a weird composite of all the irritating aspects of java, python and c; with pretense to boot 04:10:47 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@208.120.172.212] has joined #scheme 04:13:35 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 04:16:50 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 04:22:51 actually, since chibi's niche is size, not speed, the stack-based approach suits it better 04:26:56 well... ok, it's not a simple decision 04:27:25 stack-based means more instructions, but instructions are smaller 04:27:56 gravicappa [~gravicapp@213.221.45.105] has joined #scheme 04:28:46 but a register machine is more complex in general, and would make the chibi executable itself larger (I'd need to add a register allocation algorithm) 04:29:20 and the VM would be a lot more complex to decode and dispatch register arguments 04:35:10 -!- haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:43:31 -!- luz [~davids@189.60.69.82] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:44:00 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-67-172-254-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:48:17 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:53:03 asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.39] has joined #scheme 05:03:43 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@208.120.172.212] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 05:04:35 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@208.120.172.212] has joined #scheme 05:07:03 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:07:19 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.131] has joined #scheme 05:19:30 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22:49 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@214-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #scheme 05:41:57 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:39 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:47:06 Michael_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:50:05 -!- Mohamdu [~Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01:45 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 06:11:22 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 06:17:49 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 06:38:55 myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 06:41:04 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:45:12 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:45:41 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:47:26 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 06:48:53 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@208.120.172.212] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:05 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-90-205.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:05 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:05 haesbaert [~haesbaert@c9155a20.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 06:58:12 masm [~masm@bl15-66-66.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 06:59:23 smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@208.120.172.212] has joined #scheme 07:00:58 Any still up who knows how syntax case works pretty well? :-) 07:02:53 arcfide: might as well ask your question. If someone knows and is up, they will answer. 07:03:44 arcfide pasted "syntax-case trickery" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111213 07:04:13 So, in the above expression, there are four "potential" situations. 07:04:35 To what BV does the final BV returned point? 07:04:54 It could point to a global BV outside of the two internally defined BVs. 07:05:28 It could point to the 'a BV, or to the 'b BV. The other possibility is that the two BVs defined here conflict with one another. 07:05:46 And you get an error of two definitions of the same name in the same scope. 07:06:04 The combination I'm trying to get is the last, but what I have is the first. 07:06:33 Flipping (w a) with (a w) actually gives the second option, in that the BV points to 'a. 07:06:59 And it doesn't have to be W there to get that. You could put some gibberish there too. 07:07:21 I understand why I get that result. 07:08:09 Because when the definitions expand, the implicit wrapping doesn't "descend" into the macros before they are expanded, so they don't get rewrapped with new idenitiers. 07:08:13 Sorry, with new wraps. 07:08:40 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 07:09:17 And I can get the errors of multiple definitions by flipping the (w b) with (b w). 07:09:55 However that's an entirely intuitive thing to me, and I don't understand operationally why it works, and thus, I can't extend this to my more general problem. 07:10:14 Any takers? 07:10:27 smtlaissezfaire: Wanna take a go at it? 07:12:33 wingo [~wingo@83.44.188.237] has joined #scheme 07:15:14 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 07:16:39 wingo: Hey, I can't recall, but how good are you with syntax-case? 07:17:29 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17:53 arcfide: No. I'm a scheme newb. I've only seen syntax-case where the start of the body is the same name as the argument to define-syntax, so I'm not the one to ask about this. 07:18:42 arcfide: I believe eli is pretty good at syntax-case 07:19:01 sjamaan: Yes, he is supposed to be pretty good. :-) Is he around right now though? 07:20:09 sjamaan: You're a chicken user, right? 07:20:36 Blkt [~user@93-33-134-175.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 07:20:38 Actually, this problem is a little annoying for me because I think I understand what is going on, but I can't seem to see how to fix it. 07:24:46 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-134-175.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:36 arcfide: not an expert, but pretty dangerous :) 07:25:48 arcfide: just curious: what's the general problem you're trying to solve? 07:26:19 klutometis: I'm fixing an inconvenient bug in ChezWEB. 07:26:39 Specifically, the double exportation of identifiers from nested named chunks results in this situation. 07:27:26 Namely, that the intended identifiers don't get wrapped equally, because one is rewrap to the call site, and the other is not, which leads to problems with certain more involved combinations of ChezWEB chunks. 07:28:01 wingo: See . 07:28:51 wingo: The logs give more details, but basically, I'm wanting to understand why certain manipulations of that give me multiple definitions errors (which is what I want), and why others don't, and why others still, such as this default version, result in yet another binding for the end BV. 07:29:19 hm, not obvious at a glance. 07:29:30 *wingo* off to work 07:29:32 I can get that expression to behave in any one of three or four ways, but I don't understand the precise operations, so I'm having trouble extending it. 07:29:40 *chuckle* 07:29:44 If it were obvious at first glance.... 07:29:46 ;-) 07:33:17 :) 07:33:21 ciao 07:37:53 -!- wingo [~wingo@83.44.188.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:38:06 Blkt [~user@93-33-128-252.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 07:41:51 -!- eliza^ [~eliza^@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42:11 arcfide: yes, chicken 07:44:28 Ah well. I guess I need to get to bed. 07:44:57 Too bad. I'll figure it out tomorrow. 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any ideas? 16:26:55 jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 16:27:22 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28:02 -!- jao [~user@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:28:03 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 16:28:42 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 16:31:42 waltermai: what happens when you just require it? 16:32:09 eli, the install window gives me some error messages, I'll post em, gimme just a sec 16:32:20 ok 16:34:15 still running, I don't have the fastest machine in the world... 16:34:43 Are you doing it inside drscheme? 16:34:47 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:34:48 sure am 16:35:15 Then you can view the log window which will show you what planet is doing. 16:35:39 But if it is taking time, then it sounds like it did get the sources, and there might be some compilation problem. 16:36:10 [minor] is counting bytes 16:36:24 of various files 16:36:38 thanks for your help, btw! 16:37:35 well, i don't know that [minor] is the agent of counting... 16:37:55 GC [minor] at 216278248 bytes; 27937328 collected in 190 msec 16:38:46 do you use drscheme? I've been trying different editors recently 16:39:27 ...it stopped there. should I restart drscheme? 16:39:30 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:02 waltermai: No -- that's a message that saying that the garbage collector is working. 16:40:47 its been stuck on that message for a minute now 16:40:56 -!- Mandar [~armand@pha75-21-78-228-186-233.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:42:25 ahh, got 1 more gc message, i'll give it a second. ;) 16:42:51 waltermai: It can take a while for some packages. 16:43:06 do you use drscheme? 16:44:32 Yes, a little. 16:44:57 does the regex #rx" +" match colons, semicolons, periods or commas? 16:45:50 No, no, no, and no. 16:45:57 Thanks 16:45:58 I matches spaces. 16:46:05 s/I/It/ 16:46:45 askhader: And btw, in the lisp/scheme circles it's usually a `regexp'. 16:46:58 what's that quote? "a person with a problem thinks "I know, I'll use regular expressions!" Now, the person has 2 problems." 16:46:58 yes ouf course, a typo 16:47:50 IIRC, it's a Zawinski quote. 16:48:21 hahaonlyserious, causeI'veBeenThereafewtimesmyself,amnotgreatwithregexs 16:50:06 eli, Zawinsky popularized it, but the format of the joke extends quite a bit further back than that. Jeffrey Friedl once decided to track back to its source; let me see if I can dig up his notes. 16:50:23 http://regex.info/blog/2006-09-15/247 16:50:23 phew, drscheme is still workin'... hey gnomon! 16:52:36 Heya, waltermai! 16:52:52 HG` [~HG@xdslap090.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 16:52:54 the author argues that perl is less regular but *more* readable than lisp? 16:53:05 i guess readability is in the eye of the beholder 16:53:37 lisp was the first language I ever saw and didnt need to read tons of docs to be able to make any sense of. 16:54:50 Friedl has his moments, but he's no Knuth. 16:57:41 where perl looks something like ^*$$$&$W$%#^%^#afgjksa#^%#jgflk;asfgj#$%^%$ to me. 16:57:51 but I'm no perl hacker. 16:58:48 I generally reach for sed or awk, my tools of last resort 16:58:57 and I'm not that great with either 16:59:58 eli, drscheme's been stuck on 1 gc message for maybe 10 minutes now 17:03:23 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-171-25-183.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:47 what's this prejudice toward regexs about? I wish I were better with them, they seem very powerful, and I don't quite know what the alternative would be when doing text processing. 17:06:59 but I'm only halfway through chp2 of SICP 17:07:52 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 17:08:37 gnomon: cute, but it still looks like he's concluding that it's jwz. 17:09:14 (I think that I tried to track that thread too once, I definitely remember the stream of bytes point.) 17:10:52 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 17:13:08 oh geez, under the "info 17:13:28 " tab, it says that setup is done! 17:13:38 apparently, this gc is independent of package setup 17:13:46 i've been waiting for nothing. ;) 17:14:59 yay, it works! thanks a million, eli! 17:15:09 waltermai: Um... It's handy to know if your machine is working or not... 17:15:24 Some cpu indicator, that is. 17:15:49 indeed, I had that set up with wmii, but recently switched to awesome and havent gotten around to it 17:16:33 would be worthwhile. ;) pardon my general newbness 17:19:33 waltermai: I have no idea what these things are, but if you're on linux, I always have a gkrellm bar. 17:20:03 ahh, wmii and awesome are windowmanagers 17:20:30 eli, and wmii both have toolbar type apps, wmii uses dmenu 17:20:35 bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 17:20:42 gotta look into awesome a bit more 17:21:45 waltermai: I kind of got that from some googling, but I have no idea what they'd show you or why that prevents you from running a different monitor. 17:21:49 jao [~user@83.50.65.231] has joined #scheme 17:22:42 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-160-73.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:22:45 eli, it doesn't, but I had an awk script set up to display my load next to the date and time. 17:23:20 An awk script?? In your wm?? 17:23:28 You need a better one then. 17:23:36 using uptime 17:24:22 i think this gets back to my question on regexs and alternative ways to process text, perhaps 17:25:31 it seems that awking a cli app would be more resource efficient than running a gtkd or wxwindowed app of some sort 17:31:39 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-190-142.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:32:31 waltermai: This was one of the reasons for gkrellm -- a single process that does all monitoring instead of a separate process for every pixel that you want to jump. 17:33:48 hmm, is the tradeoff worth it i wonder...? 17:35:03 in space *and* time 17:35:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-160-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:36:28 What's the trade? 17:37:08 accessing gtk libraries and such, for one perhaps 17:37:15 waltermai: The first rule of performance evaluation - measure, don't guess. 17:37:58 metasyntax, i thought the first rule was - eat your sandwich to quell hunger ;) 17:41:23 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-160-73.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:42:18 waltermai: But if all you need is a monitor, then why do you need gtk? 17:43:02 eli, how is the app displayed on screen? 17:44:44 waltermai: It's an X application. 17:44:59 It's not like we didn't have any gui before gtk was made. 17:45:36 the g prefix threw me, I suppose. could just as easily be gnu or something. I'll have to look into it after I finish stuffing my face. 17:46:41 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-30-82-253-179-51.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:47:14 Yes, G is for gnu. 17:47:16 It's not like I'm very knowledgeable either. perhaps this isn't the channel for me. 17:50:56 waltermai: Nonsense, schemers can't afford not accommodating newbies of any kind... 17:53:30 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 17:58:26 actually, gkrellm is implemented using gtk 18:00:10 -!- bgs100 [57o9@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:52 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-auuvitmwvuhdhvtq] has joined #scheme 18:00:53 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-auuvitmwvuhdhvtq] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:00:59 Oh, right. But the G is still for gnu. 18:04:22 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-khvwzsdbpbirdebr] has joined #scheme 18:04:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-khvwzsdbpbirdebr] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:12:25 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:14:57 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-acxofrpdoqgqgigf] has joined #scheme 18:14:57 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-acxofrpdoqgqgigf] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:18:27 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ooxstdywbtgcytrd] has joined #scheme 18:18:29 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ooxstdywbtgcytrd] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:21:57 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-yvqbeqgximjbgkiy] has joined #scheme 18:21:57 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-yvqbeqgximjbgkiy] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:25:27 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-hqryrtrmgmghcjdt] has joined #scheme 18:25:27 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-hqryrtrmgmghcjdt] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:28:20 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 18:28:53 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-zkjveddxtgmkhdtn] has joined #scheme 18:28:53 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-zkjveddxtgmkhdtn] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:35:23 asarch [~asarch@189.188.139.250] has joined #scheme 18:39:23 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ewwpknenaucnidrs] has joined #scheme 18:39:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ewwpknenaucnidrs] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:40:14 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslap090.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:00 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:23 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-tmakmvrqugskblkp] has joined #scheme 18:46:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-tmakmvrqugskblkp] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:49:52 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-euoawknezpanarub] has joined #scheme 18:49:53 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-euoawknezpanarub] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:50:46 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-135-143.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53:52 -!- waltermai [~walt@c-68-54-64-79.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:53 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-emklbslstzeslpnm] has joined #scheme 18:56:53 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-emklbslstzeslpnm] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:00:29 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12-rhwh-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:04:15 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:05 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:22 bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 19:06:21 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 19:07:27 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-plojozygtuahsrgp] has joined #scheme 19:07:27 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-plojozygtuahsrgp] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:07:44 Any ideas on when a 'racket' package will be released for aptitiude type package managers on Ubuntu-like distributions of Linux? 19:08:36 you should ask in #racket most likely :p 19:09:35 anyway I think the answer is "no idea" since the people who release it dont make the ubuntu packages 19:12:50 Ah I see 19:12:54 Damnit, two channels 19:13:55 ok in all fairness most of the people in #racket hang out here too, i dont personally care if you discuss racket here, though 19:18:22 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-rmmxeccrrbfqofki] has joined #scheme 19:18:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-rmmxeccrrbfqofki] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:20:07 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:21:58 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-nuwhiwkentuuylom] has joined #scheme 19:21:59 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-nuwhiwkentuuylom] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:25:23 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-jhnotebsuhmxhjmb] has joined #scheme 19:25:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-jhnotebsuhmxhjmb] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:26:53 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12-rhwh-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:28:58 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ylmervggpbjjtpxg] has joined #scheme 19:29:00 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ylmervggpbjjtpxg] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:35:44 schmir [~schmir@p57ADF430.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:43:02 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:46:23 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-mcaeqryvxbmapjha] has joined #scheme 19:46:23 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-mcaeqryvxbmapjha] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:49:07 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:56:23 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-160-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:58 bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-biserengsvanaknn] has joined #scheme 19:57:00 -!- bgs100 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-biserengsvanaknn] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:00:08 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@c-67-163-143-192.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:06:00 hi! 20:06:05 hi 20:06:10 hi 20:06:19 what's the shortest name you would give to a identity function? :) 20:06:22 I? 20:06:31 `values'? 20:06:43 `identity' 20:06:49 "", the empty string. 20:06:52 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:53 oh that's equivalent to (lambda (x) x)? 20:06:55 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 20:06:58 values? 20:07:19 alvatar: It's not equivalent in all circumstances., but when called with one argument it behaves identically. 20:07:24 s/.,/,/ 20:07:42 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 20:07:55 chandler: oh, yes I've used values several times, but I didn't realize it was just like identity when only one argument passed 20:07:59 it's nice 20:08:35 and... 20:08:52 bgs000 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ucxjxlghzxtsjjco] has joined #scheme 20:09:05 I've seen that chicken has a combinator library, which is cool 20:09:55 but do you know any or "the" canonical definition of the COMPOSE function for creating functions that apply the result of one to the next? 20:15:56 -!- bgs000 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-ucxjxlghzxtsjjco] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:18:26 bgs000 [57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-bbknoybfjpcjskwg] has joined #scheme 20:18:51 I actually have found several, but is there one considered more canonical or by-the-book? 20:25:27 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-33-35.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:25:37 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-55-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:34:21 -!- ineiros_ [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:34:46 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 20:38:24 wingo [~wingo@83.44.188.237] has joined #scheme 20:42:37 alvatar: you could try the -normal form. 20:48:53 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:59:58 -!- eliza^ [~eliza^@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:49 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:02:29 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:03:13 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:05:34 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 21:05:49 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:06:13 jcowan [~jcowan@taconic-aa-p443.taconic.net] has joined #scheme 21:10:54 seamus_android [~AW@host86-181-249-21.range86-181.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 21:12:25 pjb``: ey thanks 21:12:32 rudybot: init scheme 21:12:36 please. 21:12:36 wingo: your scheme sandbox is ready 21:12:39 pjb``: I just found the wikipedia entry 21:12:44 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:12:53 rudybot: eval (/ 1.0 0.0) 21:12:53 wingo: ; Value: +inf.0 21:12:53 pjb``: I don't know lambda calculus though :( 21:12:56 rudybot: eval (/ 1.0 -0.0) 21:12:57 wingo: ; Value: -inf.0 21:13:04 rudybot: eval (negative? -0.0) 21:13:04 wingo: ; Value: #f 21:14:28 pjb``: ok I found a paper in Oleg's site 21:14:42 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@taconic-aa-p443.taconic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:14:53 pjb``: I'll take a look at that with some time 21:15:07 alvatar: if you know lambda in scheme, you know lambda calculus :-) 21:20:50 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:24:12 pjb``: yeah I find it kind of intuitive ;) 21:26:20 -!- jao [~user@83.50.65.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:05 jao [~user@83.50.65.231] has joined #scheme 21:42:06 Daemmerung [~goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 21:42:38 carter [~carter@cpe-66-65-17-10.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:43:10 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:00 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@static.77.8.networkiowa.com] has joined #scheme 21:46:22 -!- carter [~carter@cpe-66-65-17-10.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:14 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:18 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-162-194.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 21:49:36 -!- jay-mccarthy [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Quit: jay-mccarthy] 21:51:55 -!- wingo [~wingo@83.44.188.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:52:53 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@static.77.8.networkiowa.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59:13 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:43 jcowan [~jcowan@taconic-aa-p443.taconic.net] has joined #scheme 22:15:43 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.139.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:31 sstrickl_ [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:19:31 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:33 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 22:20:56 eli: racket 5.0 x86_64 fails at extracting 22:21:08 === context === 22:21:09 /home/marek/plt/plt-tmp-install/collects/setup/unixstyle-install.rkt:383:0: move/copy-distribution 22:21:12 /home/marek/plt/plt-tmp-install/collects/setup/unixstyle-install.rkt: [running body] 22:24:21 -!- Dark-Star is now known as Dark-Star|Zzz 22:43:21 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 22:45:00 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 22:52:47 mfredrickson [~mfredrick@c-98-213-38-52.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:42 phao [~phao@189.107.130.148] has joined #scheme 22:54:12 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.130.148] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:34 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 23:04:44 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-66-66.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:57 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@c-98-216-238-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #scheme 23:17:56 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:20:05 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:22:58 -!- metasyntax` [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:28:14 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 23:28:56 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:28:58 -!- Kusanagi [~Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:28:58 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 23:29:52 -!- Kusanagi is now known as Hal9k 23:37:46 -!- schmir [~schmir@p57ADF430.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:17 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54:22 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: "relocating"] 23:59:55 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme