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Got a simple question for you: What does #lang scheme do? Why is that being used here (http://docs.plt-scheme.org/guide/module-basics.html) instead of #lang r6rs? 01:01:19 (plt scheme) 01:07:25 *psiblue* hears some crickets chirping... 01:08:26 #lang scheme is the default PLT language, which has more features and some differences from r6rs 01:09:20 Ahh 01:09:24 That makes sense - thanks 01:10:02 foof: is matchable turing complete? 01:10:13 i'm tempted to try a project using nothing but patterns for control 01:11:22 klutometis: matchable doesn't do anything but match by default 01:11:37 psiblue: just curious, what sort of channels do you frequent such that the crickets come out after only six minutes? ;) 01:11:52 if you repeatedly match&replace, you're easily turing complete 01:12:10 even syntax-rules is turing complete (though you need to use peano numerals) 01:12:10 foof: exactly; seems like an interesting exercise. 01:12:23 oleg implemented scheme in syntax-rules 01:12:31 or was it al* petrofsky? 01:13:55 klutometis: lol. Actually tbh this is the only channel I 'frequent'. It's my second (maybe third?) time here :) 01:15:07 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:15:19 -!- psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Quit: I think we are in Rats´ Alley where the dead men lost their bones. -- T.S. 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Repeat until SIGINT. 18:03:59 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:04:02 In practice, however, it outputs 0 5 and then ends. 18:04:39 callccguy pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/111119 18:05:03 the question can be illustrated with the codes in the link above 18:05:38 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 18:06:16 callccguy, ToxicFrog, it's because call/cc doesn't include subsequnet toplevel forms in the continuation 18:06:48 samth: can you rephrase that? the "subsequnet toplevel forms" part of it threw me off :) 18:07:07 in the one that doesn't loop, the call to `cc' is the next form after the `set!' 18:07:19 in the one that does loop, the call to `cc' is part of the `foo' function 18:07:32 that is correct 18:07:40 Ok 18:07:43 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:07:52 `call/cc' saves the whole continuation of the current top-level piece, but doesn't know about what comes later at the top-level 18:07:53 So each scheme, each top-level sexp is sort of executed as its own frame? 18:08:00 roughly 18:08:06 s/each scheme/in scheme/ 18:08:17 oh ok 18:08:25 form = sexp? 18:08:26 Ok, that makes sense. Thank you! 18:08:49 or rather, form = valid scheme sexp? 18:09:05 form = thing at the top level of your file 18:09:48 the way most scheme implementations work is that it treats each form like it was entered separately at the repl 18:10:09 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:11:11 oh i see 18:11:32 which is why it doesn't know that there's a call to `cc' later in the file 18:11:42 but it does know when it's part of the `foo' function 18:11:51 so the first one can't loop because when i call (cc) it's caling the continuation on the context of the first entry at the repl? 18:12:00 right that's what i understood 18:12:15 it doesn't loop because the continuation you capture doesn't include a call to `cc' 18:12:27 so when you invoke that continuation, it just finishes 18:12:39 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:44 ok i understand it now 18:12:47 but how do globals work then, if each sexp is individually fed to the "repl"? 18:12:47 Try this instead: (begin (call/cc (lambda (c) (set! cc c) 0)) (cc 5)) 18:13:09 this is what delimited continuations are all about - allowing programmers to specify things like what the "repl" is doing 18:13:24 globals work by mutation 18:13:35 that's the big problem with the repl 18:13:39 and the top-level 18:15:20 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:17:11 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@94.166.71.250] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- drhodes [~none@209-20-72-61.slicehost.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:54 timj [~timj@e176195123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 18:18:00 jimrees_: i tried that, it printed 5 once, shouldn't it print it forever since it's in the same form? 18:18:07 kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:18:26 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 18:19:45 drhodes [~none@209-20-72-61.slicehost.net] has joined #scheme 18:19:53 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 18:21:35 rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 18:27:13 HG` [~HG@xdslam141.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 18:28:09 Is it possible for two identifiers to be `bound-identifier=?' but not `free-identifier=?'? If so, how would that arise? (I might be missing something obvious here.) 18:28:24 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:50 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 18:40:11 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:47:33 -!- rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:47:33 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 18:48:29 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:53:40 chandler, I think free-identifier=? is a subset of bound-identifier=? 18:54:49 perhaps bound identifier can be an identifier without value (like in gc terms). 18:55:54 s/bound/free/ or vice versa, whitchever way you happen to squinting your eyes at this 2d cube. 18:57:15 incubot: be my thesozoraurus! 18:57:28 sladegen: ... Are you even *trying* to make sense? 18:57:45 you tell me, wiseguy. 18:58:23 My guess is "no". 18:59:24 you're bound to your opinion, i'm free to make nonsense. 19:00:29 Not in here, you're not. Please try to increase your average signal to noise ratio. 19:01:21 noise is full of signal, it's just that your definition of signal may be too noisy. 19:03:17 I'm not going to try to unwrap that. 19:03:33 Blkt [~user@93-33-112-243.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 19:08:23 sladegen: I had a look over the past few days of logs, and most of your contributions to the channel seem to be similarly irrelevant nonsense. Please try to restrain yourself or find a more appropriate venue. 19:09:05 yes, mister thought police. 19:11:31 That's a facile response. You can think whatever you like. Please try harder to keep your discussion in #scheme relevant to the topic - namely, Scheme programming. 19:12:15 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.229.181] has joined #scheme 19:12:32 jonrafkind: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that seems backwards to me. There are identifiers which are `free-identifier=?' but not `bound-identifier=?'. 19:14:37 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #scheme 19:15:03 oh, can you show an example 19:15:16 im pretty sure one of those things is a subset of the other 19:16:22 there are free and bound identifiers... but bound identifier doesn't have to be free... 19:16:36 rudybot: init scheme 19:16:37 chandler: your scheme sandbox is ready 19:16:52 seangrov` [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #scheme 19:17:59 sladegen: What, exactly, does that mean in this context? 19:18:11 in a way all identifiers are bound. like presupposing that empty environment is full. but then no identifier is free. 19:18:35 jonrafkind: There's actually an example in R6RS: http://www.r6rs.org/final/html/r6rs-lib/r6rs-lib-Z-H-13.html#node_sec_12.5 19:18:36 it means what it says and says what it means. bleh. 19:18:42 jonrafkind: Look for the example that starts "(let ([fred 17])" 19:19:34 sladegen: In the context of a discussion about the `bound-identifier=?' and `free-identifier=?' predicates, that's irrelevant gibberish. 19:20:19 no, you are just stupid, because you can't understand it. 19:20:34 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslam141.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20:48 jonrafkind: I *believe* that all identifiers which are `bound-identifier=?' are `free-identifier=?', but I'm somewhat surprised that neither the R6RS nor the PLT documentation calls that out. I suppose I ought to look at TSPL as well. 19:20:53 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o chandler 19:20:58 -!- chandler has set mode +q sladegen!*@* 19:21:01 -!- chandler has set mode -o chandler 19:21:15 That's enough of that. 19:21:47 -!- Checkie [1390@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:21:56 Quoth TSPL4: "On the other hand, identifiers that are bound-identifier=? are free-identifier=?, as long as the identifiers have valid bindings in the context where they are compared." 19:22:01 That's good enough for me. 19:24:20 something about "The procedures bound-identifier=? and free-identifier=? each take two identifier arguments and return #t if their arguments are equivalent and #f otherwise." is funny to me. what a boring description of something 19:26:15 thats a pretty good example 19:28:10 Checkie [1938@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 19:29:18 winxordie [~winxordie@199-49.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:37:34 ah ok so a reasonable way to think of free-identifier=? is it returns #t if the symbolic names are the same, but can still return true even if one symbolic name was renamed (through require/provide/make-rename-transformer) 19:38:25 that is, in a free context, whereas bound-identifier=? returns #t if both were inserted in a binding context, would the latest bound variable shadow the former variable 19:54:21 uh oh, what a disappointment... I was under impression that things like chandler modum de #scheme mutavit: +q sladegen!*@* don't happen here; now I see the only IRC channel sanity guarantee is probably low traffic (so real trolls never show up) and no ops at all 19:55:39 morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 19:59:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.229.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:43 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@c-67-163-143-192.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:00:18 -!- morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:02:26 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@214-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:06:05 stepnem: hey, that's cool; i should configure my client to talk in latin, too. 20:08:43 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@78.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:08:58 stepnem: I think you were under an incorrect assumption, then. This isn't a free-for-all. 20:09:07 heh (it's ZenIRC, it has a lot of "language catalogs" for the messages, as it calls them) 20:09:21 alvatar [~alvatar@133.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 20:09:32 the internet is serious business 20:09:56 can you imagine what would happen to all the starving children in africa if people could say whatever they wanted in an IRC channel?!? 20:10:08 chandler: I'm not sure what you mean by "free-for-all" 20:15:30 stepnem: I'll rephrase. #scheme is, generally speaking, for discussion about Scheme. I generally don't have to do anything to enforce that, but when people wander too far off into the weeds I sometimes ask them nicely to head back to the topic. 20:17:41 -!- virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:52 chandler: Right. And what I'd call "sane" is if you were content with that, instead of silencing them when they call you stupid. 20:19:23 in any case, I read the backlog you mentioned, too, and failed to find anything surpassing the usual behaviour of certainly not only sladegen -- i.e. playing with incubot and occasionally helping other people, participating in discussions etc. 20:19:24 psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #scheme 20:20:20 Hey guys. I'm doing one of the exercises from tspl4: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/math/tspl/2.gif - I'm supposed to make that list 20:20:32 Is this the right answer? '((a . b) ((c) d) ()) 20:21:18 That looks right to me. 20:21:35 Cool, thanks 20:26:07 -!- psiblue [~psiblue@wnpgmb1302w-ad01-202-88.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:32:28 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@c-67-186-56-85.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:32:54 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:34:21 does anybody have a valgrind suppression file for PLT/Racket? I'm getting loads of errors (mostly "Use of uninitialised value")... 20:40:33 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 20:40:57 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@c-67-186-56-85.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:45:40 rotty, if you created one, it would be a great help 20:45:51 but i'd ask on plt-dev 20:48:25 plt-dev is dead. 20:49:28 FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-42-104.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:52:18 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 20:52:45 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@users-33-86.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:56 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 20:56:24 morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 21:01:44 eli: although I set dark background and it works in DrScheme's interaction and definition windows, the macro stepper seems to ignore the settings (i.e. it's still black text on white background); is this a known issue (or even the intended behaviour)? I don't see any macro-stepper-specific settings... 21:01:56 -!- kar8nga [~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:29 [it's PLT 4.2.5 Debian installer downloaded from the website] 21:05:16 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: i want to be formal but i'm here to party] 21:08:04 stepnem: You should complain on the list then! 21:09:04 -!- langmartin [~user@exeuntcha2.tva.gov] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:09:20 eli: yeah, sorry, I just hoped you could help; as I recently found out, the list is subscribed-only so I'm still trying to avoid that... 21:10:10 stepnem: You can subscribe and set the "no mail" option. 21:10:17 eli: yes, I know 21:10:21 This means that you can post freely, but you don't get any emails. 21:10:27 right 21:10:32 If you know then what's holding you from subscribing? 21:11:51 still I try to avoid subscribed-only list as much as I can -- subscribing to every list I only send a one or two messages seems a bit too much of a hassle to me 21:12:11 lists* 21:12:25 Why? 21:13:18 stepnem: Think about it as adding an "approve me" entry in a database. 21:13:20 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.150.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:45 stepnem: You don't even need to enter a password -- it will give you one. 21:13:47 chandler: it's a procedure that takes some time and effort 21:14:04 Also, I *think* that if you post through gmane, it manages to get around it. 21:14:11 (Without subscription.) 21:14:26 eli: unfortunately it doesn't (that's what I thought, too) 21:15:18 The amount of time and effort seems minimal to me - just a matter of putting your email address into a web form, then clicking on a link in the confirmation mail. Think of it as a test to see if you'll put the appropriate amount of time and effort into your mails to the list. 21:15:23 stepnem: That's strange -- I don't see any messages held for moderation. 21:15:41 In fact, I'm sure you've spent more time discussing it now than it would take to subscribe. 21:16:00 eli: it was actually you who approved my message sent by Gmane; last week or so; about `git diff' 21:16:27 chandler: not yet, but we're getting close 21:16:40 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@133.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:16:48 (and it was certainly not my intention) 21:16:56 stepnem: Oh? What was the subject? (My memory reach about 3 hours back.) 21:17:30 eli: [plt-dev] Re: generating patches 21:18:35 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-112-243.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:19:09 stepnem: Ah, indeed I did. 21:19:56 FWIW, consider the fact that if I had more time to hack on my mailman-through-http interface, I'd make it a policy to subscribe people with a mailman-madeup-password and with the nomail option. 21:20:38 eli: why not simply making the list open then? 21:20:46 make* 21:21:33 stepnem: Isn't it obvious? 21:21:53 The spam filtering is pretty good, but it will still get about 20 spams per day. 21:21:53 eli: not to me, I'm sorry... 21:21:57 ^ 21:22:03 hm, I see 21:22:04 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 21:22:47 Last time I ran my script was a few hours ago -- I just ran it again (to see if there's a message waiting), and there were 8 spams. 21:24:22 yeah; I wonder how Git or the GNU lists are doing that; spam is very rare on the Git list, and I've never seen a single spam message on emacs-devel, although I believe it's not subscribed-only 21:26:14 Well, whatever spam they do get, it's much more than the plt list. 21:26:27 if at least there were a way to subscribe to a Mailman-managed list *and* set the nomail option in one go... 21:26:32 Plus, often I see git patches etc in my spam folder. 21:27:50 -!- morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:29:30 if you're speaking about patches from the Git list, I see that, too, but I thought it was Gmail misclassifying the messages 21:30:12 anyway, thanks for the feedback; I'll send a complaint to the list (after subscribing) then 21:30:57 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:34:24 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:36 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:37:02 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:24 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:38:54 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 21:41:39 -!- saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-84-184.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:41:58 saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-84-184.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:43:50 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@76-10-139-177.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:15 stepnem: Bear in mind that there's a lot of spam on the git list that you don't see *because* your mail client most likely filters it out. 21:47:35 That makes it more obvious why patch emails are more popular in the spam box. 21:47:52 -!- saccade [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-84-184.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:48:49 eli: oh, so you are actually saying that you receive more spam from the Git list than what you would receive from plt-dev if it was open? 21:49:13 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:49:45 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 21:50:42 morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 21:50:44 stepnem: No, my guess is that it would be roughly the same. 21:50:53 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 21:51:14 What I'm saying is that there *is* quite a lot of spam on the git list. 21:51:30 *eli* runs outside 21:51:36 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:51:58 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:52:14 eli: oh, I'm sorry; then I don't understand your "whatever spam they do get, it's much more than the plt list" sentence above 21:54:58 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:57:17 stepnem: The plt list gets zero spam (actually there was on mistake I did -- and that's over a period of ~7 years) 21:57:23 (And now I'm really gone.) 21:59:40 :) and now I'm really confused 22:01:43 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC5A70C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:20 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@110-174-43-105.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 22:12:56 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:10 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 22:18:53 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:21:46 so, in plt scheme, how exacty is a language defined? is it just a default module that is loaded? 22:21:58 IE, how does one go about defining his own language? 22:22:09 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@dsl081-240-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 22:24:06 saccade [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 22:24:34 theres a section in the plt docs on it.. searching.. 22:25:04 JoelMcCracken: There's a new section in the Racket documentation about this: http://pre.plt-scheme.org/docs/html/guide/languages.html 22:25:15 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:25:24 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 22:25:39 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 22:25:41 ah cool, thank you 22:28:24 -!- cky_ is now known as cky 22:29:47 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:16 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:30:24 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 22:32:47 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-72-95-204-229.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:33:10 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 22:33:18 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:36:29 -!- morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:09 -!- sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:38:18 sladegen [~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 22:39:01 MononcQc [~Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:43:30 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: fradgers-] 22:43:46 fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 22:52:09 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5e02b45e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 23:06:51 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:51 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:26:18 -!- jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:34:39 stepnem: I don't know what's there to be confused -- many spam emails flow into the git list and the plt list; none of them get into the plt list, all of them get into the git list. 23:35:54 In the git list there's enough people that they can just throw their hands in the air and say that if you want to read that list you should rely on some spam software (most people use it through gmane), on the plt lists we cannot afford such luxury. 23:40:13 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:43:05 phao [~phao@189.107.138.46] has joined #scheme