00:00:16 -!- zmanning [~zmanning@c-24-20-40-207.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:00:30 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:23 josephholsten_ [~josephhol@adsl-38-12-46.tulsaconnect.com] has joined #scheme 00:04:14 nickgibbon [~nring@210.8.201.244] has joined #scheme 00:05:38 So which is better, #!optional or case-lambda? 00:06:02 Any opinions? 00:06:27 I use case-lambda. 00:06:30 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-38-12-46.tulsaconnect.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:06:30 -!- josephholsten_ is now known as josephholsten 00:06:33 Is it better? :-) 00:07:13 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:34 Well, it's much nicer if your optional arguments aren't at the end of the lambda list 00:10:13 please keep the bvl simple... 00:10:46 I use #!optional and #!key all the time. 00:11:07 mejja: "bvl"? 00:11:11 jcowan: I do tend to do that quite often, actually. 00:12:34 That is to say, case-lambda allows that, whereas #!optional makes it very messy 00:12:39 phao [~phao@189.107.138.231] has joined #scheme 00:12:56 gnomon: Digraph input translation? I don't know if tmux supports that. utf8 is fine but it appears to me that some modifier codepoints are completely discarded on output 00:13:55 josephholsten_ [~josephhol@adsl-38-12-46.tulsaconnect.com] has joined #scheme 00:16:31 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:34 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-38-12-46.tulsaconnect.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:16:35 -!- josephholsten_ is now known as josephholsten 00:16:44 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 00:17:28 -!- arcfide [arcfide@140-182-146-242.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 00:18:28 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@adsl-38-12-46.tulsaconnect.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:24:50 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 00:28:56 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 00:29:48 -!- borism [~boris@213-35-235-6-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:14 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:29 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 00:43:29 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@nat/google/x-ctyngybwitdalujb] has left #scheme 00:56:28 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad4c06e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 01:09:24 -!- Fabse [~mightyfid@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:10:50 seangrove [~43a4618d@gateway/web/freenode/x-aofpgmmrhmgtnoqg] has joined #scheme 01:11:47 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:27 i thought this was kind of funny: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Enumerations#Scheme 01:14:39 notice the caveat: "This section needs attention from someone familiar with Scheme idioms." 01:17:21 Indeed, it needs some attention. :-) 01:19:38 come to think of it, though; what the hell is an "enum": an alist, maybe, with unique integers? 01:19:46 but why; why would you use such a thinkg? 01:20:27 it can't be for name -> index mapping, because you'd use an alist; maybe a collection of ORable flags? 01:21:05 i used to use them in c for some ill-defined reason i can't remember; named indices, maybe. 01:21:05 sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-141-157-183-82.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:22:01 mario-goulart: yeah, i figured Riastradh would kill them for invoking "atom" ;) 01:26:17 wow. that makes my brain bleed 01:27:46 it would be nice to rewrite that section with a sound rebuke 01:28:09 schemer999 [~schemer99@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:30:42 -!- schemer999__ [~schemer99@91.204.210.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:31:56 foof [~user@118-021-204-067.jp.fiberbit.net] has joined #scheme 01:34:24 ventonegro [~alex@189.62.124.42] has joined #scheme 01:36:34 foof: ping 01:38:28 pong 01:39:20 foof: I think I've found a bug in chibi: the VM is not memory-alignment-safe (i.e. it accesses memory unalignedly) 01:39:48 See e.g. the definition of _WORD0 in eval.c 01:40:04 Yes, I never bothered to align the memory. 01:40:10 does anyone know a good tutorial to begin learning scheme in? 01:40:26 Are you using a platform where that doesn't work? 01:40:58 foof: how would you fix it (I'm willing to try my hand at a patch)? just leaving a hole after the opcode? 01:41:08 foof: ARM (v5, I believe) 01:41:29 Ah, yeah, that probably wouldn't work on ARM. 01:41:32 Maxels: I like http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/schemetutorial.html 01:41:40 FWIW, I'm toying with getting chibi to run on top of the okl4 microkernel... 01:41:55 I believe someone else mentioned that. 01:42:24 foof: the alignment thing? 01:42:40 No, OKL4 01:43:10 oh, really? on #scheme? 01:43:42 No, private mail. 01:43:46 -!- SharkBrain [~gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:56 But yeah, just pad 0s after the opcode, and when reading a word first align the pointer. Make it an option in features.h, since the current situation is more compact for platforms where it isn't needed. 01:44:33 I can do it myself if you want, but I don't have an ARM to verify with. 01:45:14 (easier but slower solution is to pad NOOPs before the opcode) 01:45:37 foof: I've just got an emulator, at least for the time beeing. 01:45:45 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:46:09 foof: ok, that's how I thought doing it as well (that is, padding the opcode field) 01:47:17 mario-goulart, thanks, I'll check it out 01:47:22 -!- schemer999 [~schemer99@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: schemer999] 01:47:42 foof: I'll file a bug, and hopefully provide a patch as well 01:48:13 An alternative I've debated is for any PUSH to actually take the value from the literals vector, then all you need is an index argument to PUSH, which could be a byte or BER-encoded integer. 01:49:04 Though there are still other opcodes which read/write words, so that doesn't fix the whole issue. 01:49:23 yeah, seems like an optimization to me 01:50:18 Well, space optimizations are the one thing I care about with the VM. 01:50:50 actually, hmmm... 01:51:30 I think I could just BER encode every word in the VM. 01:53:15 Maxels: there's a bunch of Scheme books online on the interwebs. I mention that tutorial because it's short and quite straight to the point. But keep in mind that there is more high quality material online. 01:53:23 *mario-goulart* heads to bed 01:53:46 See you, ladies and gentlemen 01:53:54 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:55 mario-goulart, k, thanks. Do you mean there are some good free books online? 01:54:02 ah, nevermind then 01:56:06 Maxels: Yes, free online books. 01:56:43 well I'm just getting started, downloading dr scheme right now 01:57:09 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:57:21 SharkBrain [~gerard@210.48.104.34] has joined #scheme 01:59:32 rotty: What emulator are you running ARM under? 01:59:56 foof: skyeye 1.3.0rc1 02:01:01 Heh, another blank page w/ noscript on. 02:01:57 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:10 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 02:05:37 -!- path[l] [~path@122.167.240.108] has quit [Quit: path[l]] 02:12:21 hm. 02:12:29 Is there an inverse operation to dynamic-require in PLT scheme? 02:12:42 (as in: can I un-require a module, so dynamic-require will reparse and reexecute it?) 02:14:44 -!- seangrove [~43a4618d@gateway/web/freenode/x-aofpgmmrhmgtnoqg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:57 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:35 *elly* wonders how rudybot does this 02:18:09 O_o 02:18:11 hax. 02:20:09 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-202-250.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:20:25 omgwtfhax 02:21:41 wait, I'm not sure how this works 02:22:46 elly: rudybot _doesn't_ do anything like that, afaik 02:23:01 hm? it has a RELOAD-MODULE function in its source tree, at least 02:23:02 I think eli could tell you how to reload a regular static module. Dunno 'bout dynamic-require though. 02:23:05 (in reloadable.ss) 02:23:10 oh yeah 02:23:18 I am trying to figure out how that allegedly works 02:23:19 that's what I meant by "regular static module" 02:23:41 aha, that can reload modules that were REQUIREd? 02:24:02 rudybot: doc namespace-require 02:24:07 elly: yeah 02:24:11 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 02:24:14 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/Namespaces.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._namespace-require)) 02:27:46 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:29:50 that should still work for dynamic-require'd modules, surely? 02:31:27 in fact, NAMESPACE-REQUIRE itself doesn't do the right thing for REQUIREd modules, even 02:32:08 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 02:32:24 *shrug* 02:32:30 I never really understood anything about namespaces 02:32:32 eli's your man 02:32:34 didn't you write this thing? :P 02:32:42 -!- nickjd [~76eca0ef@gateway/web/freenode/x-jsgzlpvkqhczaume] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:33:14 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-230-191.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:33:58 *elly* prods eli 02:35:54 -!- ventonegro [~alex@189.62.124.42] has quit [Quit: ventonegro] 02:41:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:42:22 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 02:52:41 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54:32 he wrote the bits that deal with namespaces, and also the macro magic 02:55:12 elly: You just need a new namespace, IIRC. That code would have all the details. 02:55:55 oO 02:56:06 okay, I will look at it 03:04:16 Owner_ [~chatzilla@cpe-174-102-198-0.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:04:28 ahoy! 03:04:35 *offby1* glances around nervously. 03:06:40 can anyone explain to me why my professor would not have told us about the set! command in scheme? he seemed to be under the impression you had to redefine something every time the value changed. I think he might have explained something about mutation. 03:07:07 he probably doesn't want you using it yet 03:07:19 the semantics are a lot cleaner without mutation 03:07:49 semantics of what? 03:07:59 sorry, i should read first 03:08:00 of a language 03:09:07 There's a chance your teacher knows more than he's letting on to. 03:09:17 which school? 03:09:44 uw eau claire, wisconsin that is 03:09:56 no shit! 03:10:01 im in mke 03:10:15 milwaukee? 03:10:29 wow, eau claire is way out there. yes milwaukee 03:10:55 haha, its not that remote, I went to MTU for a year, that is in the middle of nowhere 03:11:19 up in the U.P. 03:11:43 ah 03:12:09 when I took my school's SICP-based course, the beginning didn't mention mutation at all 03:12:21 yrly 03:12:47 that would make sense, this is just a programming languages class so we are supposed to be learning new languages every couple weeks 03:13:23 what other languages? 03:14:09 java c++ cobol 03:14:38 well our program is java based, scheme was first after we just discussed BNF, we're looking at c, and eventually c++ 03:14:45 not sure whats on the agenda after that 03:15:56 ok this is a dumb question, but i'm using dr scheme and its telling me to select a language, which would be the basic scheme I want to use? 03:16:35 I vote for "module" 03:16:45 that's more than basic -- it's got all the bells and whistles 03:16:49 #scheme 03:16:49 ? 03:16:53 #lang scheme? 03:17:03 yeah 03:17:12 I think it used to be called "module" 03:17:20 *offby1* raps his head against a wall to clear it 03:18:09 Maxels, do you read Dilbert? 03:20:09 Maxels: about "set!" -- there's a style of programming called "Functional Programming" where you avoid "set!" (and similar mutating things) as much as you can. It has some real benefits; good programmers code in this style (at least somewhat) in any language. 03:20:27 e.g., I just today realized that a little bit of Python I wrote for work is mostly functional 03:20:32 makes testing and debugging easier 03:20:57 Owner_, not regularly 03:21:25 You should read it so you're prepared for your future cubical-slave job. 03:21:30 cubicle* 03:21:46 offby1, that would explain it perfectly, because we were studying scheme as a functional language 03:22:00 samth [~samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:22:10 funnily, scheme isn't _really_ functional; it merely makes it easy to code in functional style 03:22:13 Owner_, know of any jobs down in mke or internships? I am a big brewers nut and would like a job down there 03:22:28 offby1, now that I know that maybe I can act like a smartass to my prof ;) 03:22:34 You could apply at Red Prairie 03:22:48 I hear there's othe rplaces, too, but I'm not from around here. 03:22:56 there are some languages (Haskell comes to mind) where it's very hard, or maybe impossible, to do the equivalent of "set!". _Those_ are functional languages. 03:23:13 Astronautics never had programming interns that I saw, but it wouldn't hurt to apply. 03:23:27 so back to fundamentals, shouldn I use " 03:23:35 ? 03:23:44 "advanced sutdent" under the teaching languages in dr scheme? 03:23:49 I dunno. 03:23:51 I'm not even sure if dr scheme is the standard 03:23:56 I like just "scheme" 03:24:01 read the plt guide! 03:24:09 #lang scheme 03:24:46 *rudybot* votes for "#lang scheme" too, it being his native language 03:26:08 i found the plt guide to be pretty nice. 03:26:20 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has 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is it necessary? 04:07:05 everything seems to be using it 04:07:16 exit 04:07:22 fuck... not again 04:07:25 -!- SharkBrain [~gerard@210.48.104.34] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:07:25 well, try to evaluate without the quote and see what happens 04:08:15 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 04:09:06 well it seems like it doesn't recognize the values, I get errors 04:10:34 exactly 04:12:06 I don't understand what its doing other than making it work though 04:12:20 are you reading any book? 04:12:24 this is bit basic stuff 04:12:35 it's how scheme (the language) works 04:12:49 plain (1 2 3) makes no sense 04:13:03 I'm looking at a guide online 04:13:23 quoting avoid to get the expression evaluated 04:13:48 or hence scheme will try to evaluate that like a function call 04:14:11 where 1 is the function name and 2 3 the arguments (to summarize the issue) 04:14:36 hmm 04:15:54 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-230-191.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:16:00 english is not your first language? 04:16:08 so I tried putting in (length 1 2) and it wants the numberes to have the quote I would assume, and surrounded with parentheses? 04:16:15 no! 04:16:17 mine? 04:16:28 what are you trying to get the length of? 04:16:37 you need (length x) 04:16:42 where x is a list 04:16:47 I'm not trying to accomplish anything, just messing with the language right now so I can build on the foundations 04:17:02 well, i mean what are you trying to do? 04:17:08 right, but then the notation for the list is like '(1 2 3) 04:17:16 that would give you a list 04:17:17 does ' just indicate the presence of a list? 04:17:22 no 04:17:41 it means whatever follows it is a literal 04:17:51 alright 04:17:55 hell yeah! 04:17:59 that makes sense 04:19:12 so I'm looking at this hut tutorial 04:19:54 rudybot: eval (length (list 1 2 3)) 04:19:57 and I'm already confused when it says "creating a procedure" and it uses: (lambda (x) (* x x)) 04:19:58 zbigniew: your 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mzscheme keeps telling me "reference to undefined identifier: numer" 11:00:20 xwl [~user@123.115.109.149] has joined #scheme 11:01:44 hmm 11:01:46 nevermind 11:02:07 you'd need a CL let* to do it like that I think, but I bet you caught it as well now :p 11:02:15 I didn't look at the rest of the code to check 11:02:23 but I don't have "numer" defined 11:02:27 aye 11:03:29 what is CL let* ? 11:04:11 -!- amca [~amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Farewell] 11:04:23 (let* ((a ...) (b ...) ...) is basically equivalent to (let ((a ...)) (let ((b ...)) ...) 11:04:35 hmm 11:04:44 so you can say things like (let* ((a 3) (b (+ a 2)) ...) 11:04:56 it's a common lisp thing though, dunno if it works in scheme 11:05:00 too long since I used it :( 11:05:21 I don't think that is necessary in scheme. 11:05:29 -!- spcartman [~db6ef68f@gateway/web/freenode/x-hnikgdjxrtswrjxt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:35 (let ((x 3) 11:06:37 (y (+ x 2))) 11:06:37 (* x y)) 11:06:39 this is from sicp 11:07:20 > (let ((x 3) (y (+ x 2))) (* x y)) 11:07:20 reference to undefined identifier: x 11:07:30 doesn't actually work in mzscheme though 11:07:37 did I enter it wrong or something? :o 11:07:57 yes 11:08:03 it doesn't work in mzscheme 11:08:12 lets see if mitscheme supports that 11:09:08 it didn't. 11:09:10 crap 11:09:49 i'm going to start to use let* from now on then 11:11:01 yeah, it works with let* 11:11:23 meh, I need to start pretending as if though I actually am working 11:11:26 take care 11:12:57 thx 11:13:02 and I'm goin to sleep a 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(cons 1 2)) 19:19:22 It's a pair. 19:19:27 mejja: your sandbox is ready 19:19:27 mejja: ; Value: #t 19:19:46 alright 19:20:01 maxels, a pair has two components: a head and a tail (well, and presumably an address, but that's something else). The dot separates the head from the tail. 19:20:14 -!- masm [~masm@bl7-202-250.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:20:21 Or, if you prefer, a car and a cdr. 19:20:54 so any time I use cons it is creating a pair of objects not necessarily literals or anything? 19:22:26 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 19:23:17 maxels, CONS takes two parameters, puts the first one in the CAR of a pair and the second one in the CDR of that same pair, then returns the pair. That's all. 19:23:36 aleix [~aleix@77.97.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:23:46 rgrau [~user@107.Red-88-11-109.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:23:53 -!- aleix [~aleix@77.97.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 19:24:13 maxels, if the CDR of a pair is another pair, or if it is NULL?, then the pair is considered to be a proper list. 19:24:59 So (list 1 2 3), (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 '())) and (1 . (2 . (3 . '())) should all give you the same result. 19:25:40 sans quotation... 19:25:49 masm [~masm@bl5-105-14.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 19:25:50 *gnomon* facepalms 19:26:37 alrigh, so parentheses and periods are interchangable? does either have a different order or operations? 19:26:54 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #scheme 19:28:06 and is there a way you can just concatenate a value into a list? 19:28:47 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:45 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 19:37:38 Drama. 19:38:21 maxels: gnomon just showed an example about how to do that. 19:41:23 -!- pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:39 -!- kniu [~kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41:44 pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #scheme 19:43:28 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:43 maxels: if you use cons with x (any value) as the first argument and l (being l a list) as the second argument, you get what you want, no? 19:44:44 incubot: expelled, EXPELLED I say, from WG1 19:44:47 Isn't the dbm automatically created if it's not there? that's what it looks like from src/wiliki/db.scm 19:45:39 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:46:31 -!- pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:49:05 saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 19:51:32 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:24 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:57:34 reynard [~alan@n11211828189.netvigator.com] has joined #scheme 19:58:43 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:59:49 -!- reynard [~alan@n11211828189.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:11 -!- jengle [~9598170a@gateway/web/freenode/x-azgcweiyyrtaqtvl] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:20:19 HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 20:28:33 rstandy` [~rastandy@net-93-144-5-59.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 20:29:39 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@net-93-144-48-208.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:29:45 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 20:39:23 hotblack23 [~jh@p4FC5BE58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:44:53 Sergio`_ [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #scheme 20:46:08 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:31 -!- Sergio`_ is now known as Sergio` 20:46:46 Oh, this is just clever. Noticed in a recent comp.lang.scheme post that Siskind calls the successor to Stalin "Stalingrad." Apparently it's meant as an automatic differentiator, spelled Stalin 20:46:56 *Daemmerung* thought it was clever, anyway 20:51:49 -!- maxels [~891c6d68@gateway/web/freenode/x-fkpmfbuipayqimuj] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:58 i'm not sure naming your compiler after a mass murderer is such a great idea 20:55:39 SharkBrain [~gerard@222-152-107-233.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 20:55:56 A pox on politically-correct speech. 21:02:09 -!- rogue is now known as Eugor 21:02:43 saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:02:55 -!- Eugor is now known as rogue 21:03:15 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:03:22 Daemmerung, i think it's just a simple issue of politeness and respect 21:04:19 samth, I'm sure that Stalin's popularity in hobbyist, academic and industrial use puts to rest your worries about the political weight of its name. 21:04:23 *gnomon* coughs 21:06:10 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 21:11:00 I dunno, Stalin is still kinda popular in academic circles 21:31:49 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:53 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:53 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:34 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:48:42 -!- Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:02:09 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-154-7.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:05:56 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:06:19 -!- samth_away [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:13:18 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 22:13:23 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Be seeing you.] 22:18:46 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:46 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:14 -!- kuatto [~kuatto@c-75-72-177-136.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:31 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 22:26:59 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 22:28:41 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 22:32:41 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:34:56 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 22:41:17 virl [~virl__@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 22:43:45 hi, is it good design in scheme if a procedure accepts multiple datatypes for a value? like (make-color-rgb 255 255 255) or (make-color-rgb 1.0 1.0 1.0) 22:47:32 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:49:06 virl: read the section numerical types from r5rs 22:50:20 rudybot: eval (map integer? (list 255 1.0)) 22:50:23 Daemmerung: your scheme sandbox is ready 22:50:23 Daemmerung: ; Value: (#t #t) 22:53:07 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:54:07 I'm not sure the logic is the same here though since the definition of what 1 means is quited different in each case, this is not simply polymorphism on type 22:54:15 s/quited/quite/ 22:57:41 metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:01:32 karme, I have read it, but I still didn't get what you wanted to say. 23:02:02 virl: i wouldn't do different things for 1.0 and 1 23:02:26 virl: and your example suggests 255 should do the same as 1.0 23:02:39 ~s/do/mean 23:02:49 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:02:50 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:02:57 -!- albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:04 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:03:23 karme, my fault. see the 1.0 as 255.0 23:03:50 ah ok 23:03:52 in my eyes the should both work fine. 23:03:53 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-229-125.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:08 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:21 yes both are numbers 23:04:22 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:04:32 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:04:47 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:31 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-141-157-183-82.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:05:50 albacker [~eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #scheme 23:06:37 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:40 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:06:48 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:53 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #scheme 23:07:00 karme, I'm experimenting with guile and on the C level it doesn't treat both numbers equal. only when a number is exact it let's me convert say 1.0 to it's int representation 23:08:38 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:09:43 i don't know the guile c api, and yes there is always trouble bridging between languages with different concepts 23:09:54 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:00 sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-141-157-183-82.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:13:28 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:13:52 karme, should be say the number 2.0 exact? 23:14:12 I atleast see no reason, why it shouldn't be. 23:14:29 Dawgmatix_ [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:49 -!- karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:28 karme [~user@static.180.75.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 23:15:44 kniu [~kniu@65.196.126.11] has joined #scheme 23:16:04 re - sorry lost my internet connection 23:16:42 what was the last line from me? 23:16:59 *karme* should use screen for irc again 23:17:10 karme> i don't know the guile c api, and yes there is always trouble bridging between languages with different concepts 23:17:45 virl: thx - you can add a wrapper on the scheme side using inexact->exact + round/floor/ceil... 23:18:00 virl: or you convert to float on the c side and do it there 23:18:33 hmm.. thanks 23:18:35 *karme* will have to leave soon and the connection may break down any second 23:19:03 btw. 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