00:02:32 -!- fradgers- [~fradgers-@5ad4c06e.bb.sky.com] has left #scheme 00:04:54 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-172-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:05:49 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:08 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 00:07:58 schemer999 [~schemer99@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:11:03 bee bop a dop bop bop boo bop ee bop 00:12:34 is that a hanson song? 00:13:23 now it is 00:13:46 dooh wah diddy 00:14:12 How are the WGs doing? 00:15:01 Hectic 00:16:35 AFAIK WG2 is still dormant 00:17:07 Well, not dormant, but definitely nothing compared to 1 00:19:25 sundaymorning: http://mnvl.org/quad/musica/08%20-%20Hanson%20-%20Mmmbop.flac 00:19:27 ;) 00:19:51 :) 00:20:14 -!- josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-108-199.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: josephholsten] 00:26:40 mornin' 00:27:06 Hey ho, your foofness. 00:27:12 foof: Finally, you're awake 00:27:45 foof: Since chibi is the only scheme I use, you forced me to write rational arithmetic in scheme today >:( 00:27:50 I'm running through my installed Schemes to see what they do with various lexical-syntax issues on trac. 00:31:45 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:31:56 Quadrescence: It's low on my TODO list at the moment, but I'll eventually add native rational support to Chibi. 00:32:21 foof: I didn't really pay attention when I peaked in the source, but how are bignums implemented? 00:32:28 mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 00:32:49 It's not GMP or anything, right? It's in that separate C file? 00:33:22 It's in opt/bignum.c - it's a native bignum library. 00:33:24 fnord123 [~fnord123@94-194-63-222.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 00:33:48 Optimized for small footprint, not speed. 00:33:52 Right 00:34:31 jcowan: Another thing I want to do is go through ERR5RS for things to consider. 00:35:52 foof: maybe I'll plug in my arbitrary precision float library into chibi 00:36:33 but meh 00:39:56 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.30] has joined #scheme 00:39:56 Quadrescence: If you want to nick some ratnum code, feel free to look around here: https://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/release/4/numbers/branches/standalone 00:39:57 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ydwg582 00:40:05 tommy`` [~tommy@173.62.244.19] has joined #scheme 00:40:12 -!- Mr_Awesome [~eric@pool-72-69-240-30.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:40:13 (It is BSD licensed) 00:40:18 nick pinchyfingers 00:40:22 -!- tommy`` is now known as pinchyfingers 00:40:35 sjamaan: I've written code for rational numbers already, as well as arbitrary precision reals for many elementary/transcendental functions 00:40:53 nice! 00:41:01 -!- aack [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:01 Maybe I'll nick some of your code ;) 00:41:41 sjamaan: Haha. I was cleaning it up some today. I have a few more things to change and add and I'll make it fully public (it's just local to me right now) 00:41:43 Is it available online? 00:41:45 -!- pinchyfingers [~tommy@173.62.244.19] has left #scheme 00:41:52 ah, I se 00:41:53 see 00:42:25 I have to implement a few more functions, make integers a little more efficient, write some complex number routines, and implement some things like binary splitting for hypergeometric series 00:42:29 pinchyfingers [~user@173.62.244.19] has joined #scheme 00:43:02 Quadrescence: Please let me know when it's available. It might be of use for Chicken 00:43:51 sjamaan: Alright. And I license pretty freely; usually <= BSD (the least being public domain) 00:44:00 Excellent 00:44:52 lastly it's in portable C89; and I don't know if that matters or not 00:45:09 Not really ;) 00:45:50 Last time I looked at chicken sources, I *think* they had their own bignum. Is this right? 00:46:00 (like chibi; doesn't use GMP) 00:46:12 No, chicken doesn't have native bignums 00:46:26 Oh boy :) 00:46:26 It has an external library which used GMP to get bignum support 00:46:48 I'm working on a replacement for that based on the scheme48/MIT scheme code 00:46:54 Ah 00:47:01 You can find that on the URL I mentioned :) 00:48:04 Well, for the record, I don't quite go as far as to make heavy optimizations for my library (Graham Numerical Package, or GNP ;) as GMP does, but I guess I do at least a few decent things, like unrolled radix-{2,4} FFTs and stuff 00:48:22 Sounds fancy :) 00:48:44 That uri requires a login. 00:48:57 ah 00:49:03 Use anonymous with empty password 00:49:13 (sorry about that) 00:49:39 Also, https -> http helps. 00:50:30 mebbe 00:50:34 Well, I;m off 00:50:37 Good night 00:50:47 nighty night 00:52:12 Does anyone have a minute to talk about binary search trees? 00:52:17 I noticed that Ypsilon 0.9.6 is in Debian. A 64-bit scheme in Debian. 00:52:40 I've spent most of the day working through HtDP and my brain is starting to slow down. 00:52:41 pinchyfingers: maybe? 00:52:41 pinchyfingers: What about them? 00:52:59 Any opinions on Ypsilon? 00:54:12 There is an exercise in HtDP where you write a function to add nodes to a bst, the function create-bst takes a bst, a number, and a symbol. 00:54:33 acarrico: There are certainly other Scheme implementations in Debian... 00:55:12 It produces a bst identical to the one in the parameters, except one of the branches is replace with the number and symbol values 00:55:31 I know, I used to use scsh mainly, but was tired of 32bit mode, I've used chicken too. 00:55:46 Have you tried PLT Scheme? 00:55:58 so, (create-bst false 66 'a) creates the struct (make-node 66 'a false false) 00:56:15 I've played with PLT a little. 00:56:42 Just curious about Ypsilon, since I don't know much about it. 00:56:58 and (create-bst (create-bst false 66 'a)) creates the sturct (make-node 66 'a (make-node 53 'b false false)) 00:57:05 PLT is certainly nice, not sure why I've never latched on to ite. 00:57:10 /s/ite/it/ 00:57:43 Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-234-175.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #scheme 00:58:13 so I can create a tree with three nodes, a root and then left and right, but I'm not sure how to add more nodes. 00:58:48 should I start defining nodes from the bottom and work up? 00:59:04 It seems to me like the function works backwards. 00:59:24 I'd like to take a child node and specify the parent. 00:59:29 Sounds like you need to need to recurse through the one in the parameters to find the place for the new data. 00:59:50 Then you rebuild the parents as you unwind the recursion. 01:01:08 hehe, thats what I've been doing all day long. In this instance I'm not as clear on the mechanics of it, maybe I should step away from the code for a couple minutes 01:01:28 I think most implementations use GMP. 01:01:46 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-229-176.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:02:56 -!- masm [~masm@bl5-106-117.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:08:35 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:16 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 01:21:23 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@dhcp-18-111-68-179.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:29:32 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.192.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:07 foof: can you make Chibi do #|...|# as well as #; without too much pain? 01:37:16 Chibi is unique in this respect 01:37:55 erg, #| |# is so ugly 01:38:09 -!- Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:38:16 So is #; for that matter. :[ 01:39:01 9 Schemes support both, 1 supports only #;, 4 support only #|...|#, 4 support neither. 01:39:22 No schemes should ^----^ 01:40:48 *jcowan* replies "If they're ugly, you're uglier!" and the flame war begins. 01:41:20 Haha 01:41:29 I don't mean to be non-constructive. 01:41:36 I can share my rationale if you want. 01:41:42 Oh, you have one? :-) 01:41:43 Sure, share. 01:44:06 I think #||# and #; completely deviate from the whole idea that scheme is, in some sense, an AST. Using ; was meant for simple comments/annotations, and adding more comment forms makes scheme implementations have to have a special preprocessor/parser. This is vaguely related to why I don't like LOOP in common lisp. 01:44:57 copumpkin_ [~copumpkin@pat148.vpn.border2-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 01:45:13 Also, #| and #; deviate so far from comment syntax 01:45:45 Why can't we just have ;{ }; or something? :) 01:46:44 *mejja* pukes 01:46:59 Quadrescence: # is the normal Scheme syntax for lexical extensions, it seems. 01:47:15 copumpkin__ [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:05 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:48:05 -!- copumpkin__ is now known as copumpkin 01:48:18 I don't know. I guess my argument against #||# is rather subjective and weak. 01:49:17 I'm fine with just ; 01:49:18 :) 01:49:50 copumpkin__ [~copumpkin@pat148.vpn.border2-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 01:50:13 -!- copumpkin_ [~copumpkin@pat148.vpn.border2-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:20 I'm not sure what you mean by "special parser". Schemes do have to have a special parser: it's called READ. 01:53:40 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-75-69-96-50.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:53:40 -!- copumpkin__ is now known as copumpkin 01:55:44 -!- schemer999 [~schemer99@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:06 schemer999 [~schemer99@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:56:36 jcowan: READ should be reading sexps, not sugary comment junk 01:56:37 :) 01:56:58 -!- Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-234-175.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: good night!] 01:56:58 How is #||# more or less "sugary comment junk" than ; ? 01:57:28 It's not, really, except you can't just wait till the end of line 01:57:37 Right, so? 01:58:12 So I see ; as the simplest, minimalist way to add simple comments 01:58:27 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #scheme 01:58:37 It's practicality outweighs the purity you get from not having it 01:58:55 Similar for ' ` , ,@ 01:59:00 ... What purity? 01:59:19 Syntactic purity. 01:59:44 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:00:00 I don't see how comments are impure. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious. 02:00:56 chandler: Basically, I see an AST as the "purest" level of syntax, if that makes sense 02:01:29 jcowan: It's easy to support, I just think they're ugly, and have never had need for them. If I have a region, I use M-x comment-region, if I have an sexp, I use #;. 02:01:54 But if they get into the standard I'll support them. 02:02:15 The reason why I don't use #||# is that Emacs barfs on it. 02:02:23 That too. 02:02:34 Whereas recent Emacs actually handles #; 02:02:36 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.177.241] has left #scheme 02:02:59 there should just be a (comment ...) form :)))) 02:03:13 That's very Interlispy, Quadrescence. 02:04:29 That way, you only need to know how to lex/parse strings, integers, floats, rationals*, symbols*, `,, 02:04:40 `,',@ *, and forms 02:04:47 s/forms/sexps/ 02:05:28 Well, compared to the rest of the syntax, comments are so simple it's hardly worth taking them out. 02:06:04 Yeah, I understand that. As I said, ; is so easy to include and it's so non-intrusive that it's not a problem 02:06:37 But I don't like saying that because someone usually adds "well #| is not intrusive, and neither is #;, and neither is , ..." 02:07:52 Beware: anti-slippery-slope arguments are a slippery slope! 02:07:53 jcowan: Also #; was already standardized in a SRFI, whereas #|...|# wasn't. 02:09:06 True, true. 02:09:45 -!- Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 02:09:51 saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:10:22 -!- pinchyfingers [~user@173.62.244.19] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:41 Arrgh. No way to search which tickets I have filed comments on. 02:11:43 Hey WG1 when are we going to make a WG1 workshop so we can write on whiteboards and eat good 02:11:54 food 02:11:55 Money, money, who's got the money? 02:12:13 jcowan: arc does, so does chandelier 02:12:56 And so does Google. But they aren't giving me any too much of it, and certainly not for this. 02:14:36 Darn it. 02:16:49 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:21:26 If you've got the money, honey, I can probably make the time. 02:21:55 -!- sundaymorning [~roo1@189.107.184.230] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:22:57 *jcowan* hates the R6RS condition system, but ATM has nothing better to propose. 02:23:13 xwl_ [~user@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 02:23:48 jcowan: Actually I am unemployed and have maybe $10 in my little lock box. If /you/ have money, honey, I can make time out of my extremely busy schedule 02:24:10 I'm afraid this particular dalliance will have to remain IRC-only. 02:24:34 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.93.1] 02:24:42 jcowan: party pooper 02:25:20 *jcowan* shrugs. 02:25:32 Life is hard; let's go Scheming. 02:25:44 Okay fine. 02:28:26 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:23 -!- luz [~davids@189.122.90.116] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 02:29:37 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-3-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:33:11 -!- Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 02:34:07 -!- arcfide [arcfide@140-182-144-227.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 02:35:23 -!- bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:37 bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:43:58 Kusanagi [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:45:43 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 02:45:53 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:01 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:01 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 02:56:07 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:01 phao [~phao@189.107.177.241] has joined #scheme 03:05:06 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:05:23 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:12:24 *jcowan* has reviewed as many tickets as he can stand for right now. 03:12:29 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:12 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:23:15 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:45 samth [~samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:27:42 haole [~ivan@187.23.80.198] has joined #scheme 03:27:59 hello there... is there something like doxygen for scheme? i need to document my code.. it's getting pretty big :D 03:28:55 haole, what scheme system are you using? 03:29:05 jonrafkind, gambit 03:29:24 i dunno what gambit has 03:29:28 *Quadrescence* says knuth's (NO)WEB before anyone says anything 03:29:29 i'm asking here because gambit's documentation is very limited 03:29:31 in my opinion, of course 03:30:09 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-134-25.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:55 there's http://www.cs.aau.dk/~normark/schemedoc/ .. I seem to recall a bunch of others, but it's been a few years 03:32:47 slatex might be relevant too if you want to get hardcore and mathematical 03:33:37 of course, rolling your own with syntax is always an option :) 03:35:32 gonna look into those... thanks 03:41:24 leppie [~lolcow@dsl-243-6-19.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:51:18 -!- haole [~ivan@187.23.80.198] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 03:51:21 haole, for ideas you could look at Scribble: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/scribble/ 03:55:52 ... he's gone already :/ 04:09:38 -!- pjb [~t@95.124.64.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:13:46 pjb [~t@95.124.64.51] has joined #scheme 04:15:24 I've just notice that 04:15:32 a function that can accept functions as arguments 04:15:40 works like interfaces 04:15:53 I'm sorry 04:15:59 let one build interfaces. 04:21:40 -!- kssreeram [~kssreeram@122.174.70.187] has quit [Quit: kssreeram] 04:25:09 metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:27:38 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email to the plt-scheme list if you don't get an answer here. 16:38:41 foof, mejja, I was referring to a comment he made on Lambda the Ultimate, but it is indeed a general axiom 16:38:58 chandler: thanks, I will if no one can answer me. 16:40:32 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 16:40:36 -!- offby1 [~user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:40:36 offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has joined #scheme 16:41:14 chylli, i've never used framework/test, but you could look at http://svn.plt-scheme.org/view/trunk/collects/tests/drscheme/save-teaching-lang-file.ss for an example of using it 16:41:15 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yaby5sl 16:41:26 -!- alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:08 thanks, samth 16:43:49 -!- mejja is now known as offby42 16:44:02 incubot: No, the correction to the whole mess is as simple as going back to R1RS and doing what it tried to, but cleaned up a bit - namely to add Scheme FEXPRs 16:44:05 I don't know; I got confused when the next point was on macros and tried to work out how he thought fexprs could do macros then my brain started to rebel 16:44:07 -!- offby42 is now known as mejja 16:44:32 wow, incubot knows too much 16:44:36 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-15-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:45:22 incubot must be silenced! it knows too much 16:45:48 (And don't think I haven't been tempted to +q it; I find it mostly annoying.) 16:57:08 *foof* only had to skim the comments on the latest LtU thread for the one that was an order of magnitude longer than anything else around it to find Tom Lord 16:59:29 He's really convenient that way. I don't even have to find my glasses. 17:03:08 Dämmerung: http://www.microsoft.com/enable/training/windowsvista/narrator.aspx 17:03:13 *mejja* laughs 17:06:07 incubot: Would you be willing to serve on wg1? 17:06:10 your name would work if you got to name everybody else's modules 17:06:41 *Daemmerung* hears incubot in its new pleasant, natural-sounding voice 17:09:04 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@a89-152-187-26.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:13 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:22:09 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 17:23:36 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:34 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:25:26 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-28-248.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:27:36 alaricsp [~alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 17:29:56 josephholsten [~josephhol@ip70-189-108-199.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 17:37:25 -!- mreggen [~mreggen@cm-84.215.18.49.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:39:33 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:55 Sergio` [~Sergio`@a89-152-187-26.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 17:41:26 snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:43:12 -!- schmir [~schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:35 -!- chylli [~lchangyin@60.211.210.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:48 -!- Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:46:05 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@a89-152-187-26.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:12 Sergio` [~Sergio`@a89-152-187-26.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 17:47:08 bweaver` [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 17:51:17 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-15-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51:37 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:53:08 -!- bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:06:55 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:09:20 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]] 18:15:10 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:45 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 18:17:38 phao [~phao@189.107.244.120] has joined #scheme 18:21:07 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@106.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:21:47 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:07 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-171.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:35 alvatar [~alvatar@236.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 18:26:21 -!- melba is now known as riaa 18:26:29 -!- riaa is now known as melba 18:30:32 lazz0 [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 18:31:13 -!- lazz0 [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has left #scheme 18:31:55 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 18:33:10 bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:36:19 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38:04 mreggen [~mreggen@cm-84.215.18.49.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 18:47:06 -!- foof [~user@FL1-118-110-51-236.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:48:32 choas [~lars@p5B0DD4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:02:10 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@236.119.20.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:56 alvatar [~alvatar@149.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:06:46 -!- luz [~davids@139.82.89.70] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:09:05 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-171.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 19:13:41 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:10 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:17 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@149.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:22:21 alvatar [~alvatar@149.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:22:27 melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #scheme 19:23:41 -!- bweaver` is now known as bweaver 19:35:23 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@149.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:17 alvatar [~alvatar@254.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 19:42:10 tom lord aaaarrrggghhh**2! 19:42:39 arcfide [arcfide@140-182-226-156.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 19:42:40 samth, got a link for your frustration about Mr. Lord? 19:42:56 chandler, congratulations about the product launch! 19:43:18 gnomon, http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3845 19:49:11 sphex_ [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:50:27 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:52:34 -!- sphex [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:52:52 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:53:23 samth: You and I have both addressed this non-terminating expansion thing ,now. 19:53:37 arcfide, i even pointed to your message 19:53:51 -!- sphex_ [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:54:13 sphex [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:57:50 samth: Indeed. Oh well. 19:58:40 arcfide, he doesn't really want to learn, it seems 19:58:52 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:02:40 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:06:40 Maxel [~Maxel@97-90-238-123.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:09:50 -!- kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:11:17 does anyone have "Definition Groups: Making Sources Into First-Class Objects" by Bobrow et al. as a pdf/ps? I can't find it anywhere :( 20:25:12 hey ecraven 20:27:55 how's the Schemeing? 20:33:55 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@254.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:46 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-141-157-183-82.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 20:36:47 -!- mreggen [~mreggen@cm-84.215.18.49.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:01 alvatar [~alvatar@166.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 20:37:21 ecraven: looks like that predates the great Postscripting of publications, alas 20:40:18 kniu [~kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:00:31 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:10:12 -!- arcfide [arcfide@140-182-226-156.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 21:11:24 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:11:46 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Quit: melba] 21:12:36 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@host-69-95-85-103.pit.choiceone.net] has joined #scheme 21:13:43 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@166.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17:31 tom lord aaaarrrggghhh**3! 21:17:54 i should stop this for the sake of my blood pressure 21:26:14 -!- perdix [~perdix@sxemacs/devel/perdix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:45 jengle [~9598170a@gateway/web/freenode/x-piifixypxaznlmus] has joined #scheme 21:30:51 ? 21:31:52 copumpkin: fexpr's are dangerous to some people's health 21:32:14 see also: aaaarrrggghhh**2, aaaarrrggghhh 21:32:39 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.244.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:44 lol 21:35:05 Hmmm, WG1 has been quiet since yesterday 21:35:31 -!- choas [~lars@p5B0DD4B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:57 phao [~phao@189.107.244.120] has joined #scheme 21:36:30 *alaricsp* needs to send a new trac password to arcfide... in the embarrassment over sending the last one TO BOTH WORKING GROUPS, I then forgot to actually *record the password I used* :-( 21:36:44 I can be trusted with a computer... honest, officer! 21:37:18 Just tell me all of your passwords from now on. 21:37:26 I assure you, they are safe with me. 21:37:44 Ok! 21:38:12 Quadrescence, the human Password Safe 21:38:25 That's what they call me. 21:38:30 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@host-69-95-85-103.pit.choiceone.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:38:41 sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 21:40:50 -!- jengle [~9598170a@gateway/web/freenode/x-piifixypxaznlmus] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:40:54 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 21:41:00 Really I am called the "Human Authentication Lock" or "HAL" for short. 21:41:48 good thing the pod bay doors don't have a lock 21:41:52 I think 21:42:10 They do, and they are highly explosive. 21:46:34 -!- gnomon is now known as new_hardware 21:46:42 -!- new_hardware is now known as gnomon 21:47:35 saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 21:49:41 -!- Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:51:22 adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:58:21 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.244.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:44 phao [~phao@189.107.244.120] has joined #scheme 22:23:56 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:27:10 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:34:13 mreggen [~mreggen@cm-84.215.18.49.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 22:34:34 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-15-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:39:19 -!- sphex [~nobody@modemcable072.42-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42:42 foof [~user@FL1-118-110-51-236.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 22:44:51 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 22:47:24 -!- JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-15-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:47:36 -!- foof [~user@FL1-118-110-51-236.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:52:31 JoelMcCracken [~joelmccra@pool-96-235-15-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:56:44 -!- morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:21 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-28-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:01:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:41 morphir [~morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 23:22:10 mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 23:23:43 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:51 Ppjet6 [~ppjet@xvm-22-22.ghst.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:27 -!- Ppjet6 [~ppjet@xvm-22-22.ghst.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:25:32 Pepe_ [~ppjet@xvm-22-22.ghst.net] has joined #scheme 23:31:07 Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:52 awww, poor tom lord's feeling are hurt 23:42:05 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.107] has joined #scheme 23:48:24 Perhaps, but please don't make fun of him 23:48:41 For all that we disagree, he says what he says presumably out of a pure desire to make Scheme good, as he sees it 23:48:51 Unless he's a SECRET AGENT of the JAVA COMMUNITY or something... but I doubt it ;-) 23:48:54 So, give the guy a break 23:49:25 Some strong words have been exchanged, but if we demonize him, we'll have an enemy, and he'll have a bad impression of the Scheme community 23:49:51 personally, i really don't care what he thinks of the scheme community, or anything else 23:50:09 i'm not on wg1, and i don't have to have a positive relationship with him 23:50:22 he's just wrong on the internet 23:50:39 True, but it's not nice to rub it in :-) 23:50:46 (although, I must admit, highly rewarding at times) 23:51:19 http://xkcd.com/386/ 23:52:49 I know the strip ;-) 23:54:24 fortunately, i'm not in a position where nice is required