00:01:28 Clöÿüre 00:04:06 -!- saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:04:29  ? 00:05:14 Heh. 00:05:56 any speaker for the february BLM ? 00:07:15 -!- n0am [~noam@188.90.172.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:16:44 -!- ente [~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense] has left #scheme 00:17:46 Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-175.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 00:21:13 -!- csmrfx [csmr@xob.kapsi.fi] has left #scheme 00:27:11 n0am [~noam@188.90.172.128] has joined #scheme 00:29:48 -!- aack [~user@194-106.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has left #scheme 00:40:55 Fare:  ? 00:41:52 -!- Syntropy|Laptop [~who@unaffiliated/syntropy] has left #scheme 00:44:06 -!- bweaver [~user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:44:10 Daemmerung, uh? 00:45:35 masm, you know the story of the uploaded guy in his simulator? 00:46:04 Fare: closest phonetic approximation I could find 00:46:20 he cut himself from the world. the optimizer saw that the program had no more side-effects, and optimized it all away 00:57:41 oops 00:57:47 always keep I/O primitives in scope 00:59:39 elly: When you have a chance, could you don your op hat and replace the currently truncated topic? 01:01:55 QinGW [~wangqingw@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 01:03:15 sure, with what? 01:04:15 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:04:23 elly, if you give me the magic wand i can fix it... 01:05:36 I'd just remove the meta cuteness for now. 01:06:15 gwynddyllyd [~yghorkers@201.29.218.151] has joined #scheme 01:07:56 elf [elf@antenora.aculei.net] has joined #scheme 01:08:35 *automejja* picks up a copy of the game 01:09:17 what should be in the topic? 01:09:31 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o elly 01:10:17 elly: we're a bunch of scheming bastards: see r7rs list for details 01:10:37 elly, maybe shorten meta-links & scheme-links to meta & scheme 01:11:58 -!- elly changed the topic of #scheme to: (let ((meta '("http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme" "http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/scheme/")) (scheme '("http://schemers.org/" "http://community.schemewiki.org/" "http://library.readscheme.org/" "http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/" "http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/" "http://www.htdp.org/" "http://www.scheme.com/tspl/"))) (map surf-to (append meta scheme))) 01:12:04 there we go 01:12:06 -!- elly has set mode -o elly 01:13:49 thx 01:26:34 -!- easy4 [~easy4@c-174-60-36-128.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: easy4] 01:30:10 -!- ironChicken [~nnnnnnric@mx.lurk.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:35:56 -!- masm [~masm@bl10-4-229.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:37:58 merimus [~merimus@c-67-171-83-6.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:44:09 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:44:15 -!- reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:24 ziggurat [~quassel@pool-173-71-25-61.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:54 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@pool-173-71-25-61.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:50:11 -!- automejja [~edwin@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:13 ziggurat [~quassel@pool-173-71-25-61.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:05 -!- funkenblatt [~user@adsl-69-238-246-201.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:03 -!- merimus [~merimus@c-67-171-83-6.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:59:52 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@pool-173-71-25-61.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:25 merimus [~merimus@c-67-171-83-6.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:24 -!- mrsolo [~mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-daxyllfnrsgyvkeq] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:10 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:21 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 02:15:00 -!- bunz [~bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:19:48 ziggurat [~quassel@pool-173-71-25-61.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:29:09 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:48 arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-230.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:47:36 ski_ [~md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 02:52:27 Oladon: You mentioned SICP a long time ago, and that you are using emacs. Have you found sicp.info yet? :) 02:52:55 parolang: I haven't! 02:53:44 ,g sicp.info 02:54:06 http://www.neilvandyke.org/sicp-texi/ 02:54:09 There. 02:54:20 Now you don't have to leave emacs to read through sicp :) 02:54:46 Oh, haha, thanks -- I actually have the book itself :) 02:54:52 But will definitely check that out 02:55:30 Heh...I don't have the book. I was reading through it, haven't done the exercises though. 02:55:51 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 02:55:53 It's good stuff... I find myself strangely attracted to Scheme above any other language I've used. 02:56:06 Oladon: Me too. Hard to explain 02:56:26 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@pool-71-101-51-208.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:56:42 Indeed... I tried to explain to a friend the other day how the function layout actually makes perfect sense. 02:57:36 Function layout? 02:57:57 The idea of (function x y) as opposed to function(x, y) 02:58:10 Ah, yeah. 02:58:26 It just seems... cleaner. More elegant. 02:58:38 symbolic expressions are cool 02:58:57 Easy to manipulate in emacs. 02:59:22 *Oladon* nods 03:04:35 Riastradh [~riastradh@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 03:05:36 wingo-pi, more information, please: (1) exactly what you typed (including exactly what files you fetched, exactly what you did to install anything, &c.), (2) exactly what you saw, (3) exactly what you expected to see, (4) uname output, &c. 03:06:09 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@dhcp-212-228.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 03:19:15 saint_cypher [~saint_cyp@c-24-130-33-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:48 -!- n0am [~noam@188.90.172.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:31:19 destructure [~mu@couchdb/user/destructure] has joined #scheme 03:32:43 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:42 -!- leppie|work [~52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-hcbtszxaqgvyrlql] has quit [K-Lined] 03:35:55 -!- blackened` [~blackened@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: blackened`] 03:37:48 ironChicken [~nnnnnnric@mx.lurk.org] has joined #scheme 03:41:26 -!- mmc [~mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43:57 evoli [~yuhsin@rrdhcp-68-172.redrover.cornell.edu] has joined #scheme 03:44:16 -!- evoli [~yuhsin@rrdhcp-68-172.redrover.cornell.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 03:48:15 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:45 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #scheme 03:53:20 dmoerner [~dmoerner@90-84.res.pomona.edu] has joined #scheme 03:57:56 -!- dmoerner [~dmoerner@90-84.res.pomona.edu] has left #scheme 04:05:05 -!- QinGW [~wangqingw@203.86.89.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:10:06 -!- arcfide [arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-230.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 04:16:49 blackened` [~blackened@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 04:26:11 mejja [~user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 04:26:35 QinGW [~wangqingw@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 04:26:39 Riastradh: char-set->regexp fails on single element character sets. 04:27:44 The fix is a trivial char->string. 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06:31:55 *Daemmerung* suppresses the urge to type "fetchez la vache" in that other channel 06:32:10 you mean, outrrrageousLY French accENT 06:32:23 Mare see. 06:33:39 Fare: yeah yeah 06:33:42 was easier to type 06:36:20 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:56 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:05 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40:12 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 06:40:40 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 06:41:39 mathk [~mathk@lns-bzn-55-82-255-167-105.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 06:44:03 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 06:47:14 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:02 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:48:09 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 06:49:15 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 06:49:32 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:56:55 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:59:56 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-71-98-246-124.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:01:26 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:01:47 hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:01:47 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-71-98-246-124.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:28 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:04:53 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:13:46 copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:24:47 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:20 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 07:31:39 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:33:20 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:34:06 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38:34 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:39:53 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 07:48:33 -!- Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:50:26 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:05 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has joined #scheme 07:55:30 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-103-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:59:13 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:04:02 hmm, more 3d games written in Gambit: http://jlongster.com/blog/2010/02/03/iphone-game-update/ 08:06:10 -!- blackened` [~blackened@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:07:33 nutmegmagi [~swalters@static-72-91-30-20.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:16:02 yes but well...for the iphone? 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11:25:37 what exactly is a "class" in scheme-land? 11:25:52 does scheme have native sets? 11:26:41 sah0s: the answers to your question depend on the Scheme implementation 11:27:43 sah0s: there's no standard object system for scheme, although there are several object systems for scheme. So, questions about objects and classes depend on the object system. 11:27:59 i'm having a hard time getting my head around how objects are meant to work in a functional language 11:28:13 sah0s: SRFI-1 provides some procedures to treat lists as sets. 11:28:21 most object systems in Scheme are not purely functional 11:28:52 in fact, I don't know of any (full-blown) object system for Scheme that *is* purely functional 11:30:11 mario-goulart: let me search SRFI-1 11:31:30 sah0s: here's a shortcut http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1.html#SetOperationsOnLists 11:31:54 mario-goulart: thanks 11:34:01 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 11:37:59 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 11:48:25 -!- masm [~masm@bl10-7-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:05 masm [~masm@bl5-104-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:04:44 schmir [~schmir@p54A91420.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 12:09:00 jdelgado [~user@pctic0905.lsi.upc.edu] has joined #scheme 12:09:21 -!- jdelgado [~user@pctic0905.lsi.upc.edu] has left #scheme 12:18:37 http://community.schemewiki.org/?object-systems 12:19:08 i see, so some schemes have native objects or object protocols and some have objects tacked on 12:20:36 -!- hkBst [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:20:38 hkBst_ [~hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 12:21:28 emmy [~a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/gateway.tiramisu.in/x-qwrcounakahqkflo] has joined #scheme 12:21:48 sah0s: correct. 12:22:22 score 1 for sah0s! 12:22:52 oh yeah? 12:23:00 oh yeah 12:23:10 I rule, didn't you know? 12:23:26 You haven't been paying attention. 12:24:17 one would hate to lose at the internet. 12:30:53 foof [~user@FLH1Aep019.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 12:31:28 Wow, now I have personal reason to hate Ulrich Drepper. 12:31:44 bokr [~eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 12:32:06 -!- ski_ [~md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:32:15 Tell him that Douglas Crockford called him a fag. 12:33:32 Did he? 12:33:50 Is Douglas Crockford the JavaScript guru? 12:34:06 yeah 12:34:13 Is he a bad guy 12:34:14 ? 12:34:52 foof: not really, but it would be cool to see a discussion between two hated persons. :-) 12:34:55 Crockford? A little egotistical, maybe, but not an ass like Drepper. 12:35:06 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-175.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:08 I saw an online lecture he gave on 'the good parts' of javascript and basically what he said was, "If you only use the good parts of JavaScript then it's a good language, and by the way all the good parts in JavaScript were stolen from Scheme" 12:35:18 Oh, is Crockford hated too? I didn't get the memo on that. 12:35:58 -!- dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:37:33 I guess I messed up channels. :-) 12:38:09 foo: you shouldn't write to more than one channel in a short period of time. 12:38:30 foof, even. See emacs is not really for me. 12:39:35 *mario-goulart* behaves like he's drunk, although he's not. 12:40:03 I guess my brain boils at 40C. 12:41:21 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.197.90] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:41:24 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.197.90] has joined #scheme 12:41:31 Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-175.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 12:46:37 -!- schmir [~schmir@p54A91420.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47:53 I wish for there to be some scientific study into how to best self-administer and sustain a coffee/caffiene "sweet spot" 12:48:05 if anyone has any insight into that I'm quite interested. 12:55:52 -!- emmy [~a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/gateway.tiramisu.in/x-qwrcounakahqkflo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:55 eitri [~eitri@247.183.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #scheme 13:02:13 emmmy [~a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/gateway.tiramisu.in/x-fxuousihxpnredjn] has joined #scheme 13:02:56 alvatar [~alvatar@242.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 13:08:38 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:11:16 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: copumpkin] 13:11:53 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@pool-151-203-30-77.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 13:17:05 -!- mmc [~mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:44 mmc [~mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 13:17:54 -!- mmc [~mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:55 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 13:18:00 mmc [~mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 13:19:46 -!- alvatar [~alvatar@242.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:20:31 _pr0t0type_ [~prototype@cpe-66-65-36-202.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:22:12 <_pr0t0type_> Hey guys. Question: is there a reason why my plt-scheme (drscheme) won't recognize "atom?" I'm reading the little schemer, and trying some examples. Yet atom is used in here as if it's built in to the language interpreter. Can someone help? 13:23:31 _pr0t0type_: did you find the definition of atom? in the book? It's in the small print notes at the bottom of one of the frames. 13:24:22 <_pr0t0type_> let me check... 13:24:57 <_pr0t0type_> heh, you're right. It's right there in my face, and I missed it. Sorry for my stupidity. Thanks.. 13:26:12 _pr0t0type_: cool ;) 13:35:12 _pr0t0type_: I found that to be counterintuitive, too. hard to recognize for nonprogrammers 13:36:26 annodomini [~lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:36:26 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:36:26 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 13:36:28 <_pr0t0type_> Well, it was more of blindness in my part, as the definition is right beneath the example, and not in the usual place (page footer, etc.). 13:37:53 -!- Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:38:54 <_pr0t0type_> But it's kinda crazy to think that a non-programmer would start learning with a functional language don't you think? haha. If that were me, I'd be completely lost. I started with an imperative language 8-9 years ago (i.e. C). Only now am I dwelling in functional languages. 13:39:45 <_pr0t0type_> destructure: (forgot to prefix your name above) 13:40:38 xwl [~user@123.115.124.202] has joined #scheme 13:41:00 hi, I'm trying to create a recursive function that returns a list with values. But for some reason it returns a list with #. Could someone explain this to me? 13:45:27 kuribas [kristof@d54C4377F.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 13:45:30 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-103-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:32 or link me to page that explains this. I've understood that is a promise to evaluate a value, but I don't understand why I get it when I try to put the values into a list. 13:45:49 eitri: could you show us the code snippet? 13:45:51 lisppaste: url 13:45:52 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 13:46:17 eitri: a promise is a way to deferr evaluation of the result 13:46:27 -!- melba [~blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:30 _pr0t0type_: I think functional languages are quite a reasonable point to start programming. I have found functions to make more sense to nonprogrammers than state modifying commands. you say x=2; x=3; they say "what? I thought you said x was 2?" 13:46:48 Sveklo [~sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 13:47:03 hence the assignment operator := in pascal 13:47:05 Eitri pasted "Promise in list" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/94349 13:47:43 eitri: are you using plt scheme with the lazy scheme language by chance? 13:48:22 uhm, a bit uncertain what u're asking on the last one there. But it says lazy scheme in DrScheme 13:48:41 I'm guessing that is where the mistake is then? 13:48:43 eitri: you need to use another language like r5rs or big somehting 13:49:25 eitri: yes your list will get evaluated if you call the promise http://download.plt-scheme.org/doc/4.0/html/lazy/#%28part._.Promises%29 13:49:29 <_pr0t0type_> destructure: Good point. I would try to give a counter-example with Scheme, but I'm not competent in the said language. Perhaps in two weeks I'll be able to :D 13:49:30 C-Keen: That fixed it :) 13:49:47 eitri: you can see your result by calling (force) on it 13:50:24 eitri: fine then :) 13:50:53 c-Keen: The change to pretty big fixed it :) As to force, it didn't work to write (list (force produkt)) in lazy scheme 13:52:43 alvatar [~alvatar@242.126.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 13:52:57 eitri: not in your function fakultet but on the result of it 13:53:36 eitri: either way. This is not what you want to use unless you know you want lazy evaluation 13:54:26 -!- emmmy [~a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/gateway.tiramisu.in/x-fxuousihxpnredjn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:10 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 13:56:12 C-Keen: ah, ok. That explains it. Thanks for helping. It was starting to anoy me quiet a bit :) 13:56:25 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-177-103-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:00:19 _pr0t0type_: i think the issue with atoms is a counterexample. i am thinking of a irl newb's experience. they probably would have stopped there if i had not stepped in. 14:00:24 later tell foof perhaps you mean "cp -r lib/* $(DESTDIR)$(MODDIR)/" during chibi-scheme install (as it is now it isn't finding init.scm in $(MODDIR)/lib) 14:00:33 rudybot: later tell foof perhaps you mean "cp -r lib/* $(DESTDIR)$(MODDIR)/" during chibi-scheme install (as it is now it isn't finding init.scm in $(MODDIR)/lib) 14:00:33 minion: memo for foof: sladegen told me to tell you: perhaps you mean "cp -r lib/* $(DESTDIR)$(MODDIR)/" during chibi-scheme install (as it is now it isn't finding init.scm in $(MODDIR)/lib) 14:00:51 *sladegen* facepalms. 14:02:05 foof: did you get this? perhaps there is no point in opening issue on code.google for such a tiny little thing. 14:03:00 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 14:03:31 nutmegmagi [~swalters@pool-71-101-51-208.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:03:39 -!- nutmegmagi [~swalters@pool-71-101-51-208.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #scheme 14:04:10 sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 14:04:45 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #scheme 14:08:24 -!- Len_ [~Len@87.70.252.108] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:08:32 Len_ [~Len@87.70.252.108] has joined #scheme 14:09:33 -!- bombshelter13b_ [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!] 14:14:39 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [~Mohamdu@129-97-241-175.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:01 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:27 saccade_ [~saccade@MEDICAL-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 14:23:54 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@MEDICAL-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 14:24:10 -!- _pr0t0type_ [~prototype@cpe-66-65-36-202.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 14:47:02 saccade_ [~saccade@MEDICAL-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 14:47:34 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@pantagruel.mccme.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:48:57 *bytecolor* parses pascal for the hell of it 14:50:42 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 14:53:24 http://wingolog.org/pub/i-have-a-hammer.png 14:57:50 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable049.173-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 15:01:46 -!- saccade_ [~saccade@MEDICAL-THIRTY-ONE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:04:51 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:07:54 dfeuer [~dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 15:11:26 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 15:11:28 metasyntax [~taylor@75-149-208-121-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:18:10 bytecolor pasted "pascal code parsed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/94356 15:19:03 I think if my parser can handle that code, it's not too bad, eh? 15:19:37 takes it about 1.8s compiled though :( 15:19:54 *wingo-pi* senses bytecolor is looking for some praise :) 15:20:07 what are you going to do with the parser, bytecolor ? 15:20:11 wingo-pi: do you have any to spare? 15:20:23 yes that sounds like a fun tool 15:20:29 wingo-pi: hrm, well I think it's just a proof of concept at this point 15:21:48 it works well, but it's ummm hackish in a lot of ways. The grammar definition language *looks* like scheme, but it's really a language on top of scheme. 15:22:50 *wingo-pi* enjoys parsers as well. 15:24:17 wingo-pi: I'm trying to create a _smart_ general purpose parser that can handle most any language. 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some kind 23:47:02 Ironscheme works well, no continuations though. 23:47:12 does it support (values ...)? 23:47:32 adu: Probably it does, it isn't hard to support it on Java/C# implementations. 23:49:03 No continuations though. 23:57:07 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:59:17 -!- n0am [~noam@95.98.118.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]