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(print '(I die now with '(person-name))) 01:26:14 WuJiang [n=wujiang@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 01:26:17 Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 01:26:58 -!- Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:32:05 Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 01:32:12 does anyone know of a way to embed evaluated code into a data list? 01:32:14 ie: 01:32:35 '(cookies gif (name)) but have the (name) sexp be evaluated as code? 01:33:27 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 x2cast21 [n=alvaro@196.22.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:33:27 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 01:33:31 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 01:33:31 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 01:33:32 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has left #scheme 01:33:48 Sergio`_ [n=Sergio`@89.152.187.193] has joined #scheme 01:34:31 -!- Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Operation timed out] 01:34:32 m811 [n=user@150.181.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 01:34:41 rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 01:38:41 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:42:08 -!- x2cast21 [n=alvaro@196.22.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:42:44 elly: Any chance you still happen to be around? :) 01:42:49 yep 01:42:51 what's up? 01:43:22 :) I may need to ask for another resource, if that's okay? 01:43:28 Just checking readscheme and google first :) 01:43:32 go ahead 01:43:50 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:44:27 nuts, I'd have told timmcd that he wants backquote: 01:44:51 rudybot: eval (let ([name (lambda ()"Tim)"]) `(cookies gif ,(name))) 01:44:51 *offby1: error: eval:1:28: read: missing `)' to close preceding `(', found instead `]' 01:45:12 rudybot: eval (let ([name (lambda ()"Tim")]) `(cookies gif ,(name))) 01:45:13 *offby1: ; Value: (cookies gif "Tim") 01:46:02 :D All good 01:46:31 Sorry about that elly, in the future I'll check before asking you. 01:46:35 well, before bugging you :) 01:46:48 -!- rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:48 -!- Sergio`_ [n=Sergio`@89.152.187.193] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:48 -!- jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:48 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:48 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:49 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:49 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:49 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:46:49 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:47:00 Just got W.Clinger's "Macros that work" and C.Hansen's "A syntactic closure macro facility" 01:48:02 -!- davazp [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:49:56 Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 01:55:25 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:56:10 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 01:56:25 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:56:26 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 01:57:07 davazp [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:32 rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 02:00:32 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:01:10 Sergio`_ [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 02:01:12 -!- Sergio` [n=Sergio`@a89-152-187-193.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:01:24 *offby1* just got paid today, got him a pocketful of change. 02:03:17 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A93B3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:10:20 -!- snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:11:00 snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 02:15:37 does plt have a library function for tokenizing strings? 02:15:46 also, hi offby1 :) 02:16:49 *offby1* glances around nervously. 02:16:54 my cover is blown already?! 02:17:16 elly: not a library, as far as I know, but a single function. Now to try to remember its name... 02:17:29 rudybot uses it, so I ought to be able to find it 02:18:34 *elly* is still trying to get rid of a nasty cough she's had for a week now :( 02:18:50 rudybot: doc string-tokenize 02:18:51 *offby1: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: srfi/13 02:18:58 rudybot: eval (require srfi/13) 02:18:59 aha, thanks :) 02:18:59 rudybot: doc string-tokenize 02:19:00 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/srfi-std/srfi-13.html#string-tokenize 02:19:00 elly, plt has a lexer in the parser-tools collection 02:19:09 I do not need a full lexer 02:19:20 good to know, though 02:19:24 elly: if I recall correctly, it basically just splits stings o whitespace 02:19:27 s/o/on/ 02:19:30 that is the desired behavior 02:19:48 (regexp-split #rx" " foo) ? 02:21:44 jonrafkind: that probably works too :) 02:22:55 it works today, no telling if it will work tommorow 02:23:21 The future is unwritten 02:23:27 *offby1* read that on a Clash album 02:25:04 offby1: Split the earth! Shatter the sky! Make it rain fire! 02:28:04 *offby1* stares blankly 02:28:16 *offby1* is lost in the supermarket 02:28:23 oh dear 02:28:35 *offby1* 's Clash knowledge is stuck in about 1979 02:28:36 offby1: it is my personal job strategy :) 02:30:52 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 02:31:26 Oh, I see. 02:31:34 And how is that working out for you? 02:31:35 *offby1* whistles innocently 02:31:44 three offers so far! 02:32:30 -!- kencausey [n=ken@67.15.6.88] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:32:30 -!- clog [n=nef@bespin.org] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:32:38 go go go 02:32:54 *offby1* offers elly a job writing an ORM for PLT Scheme! 02:33:33 or, writing ... whatever it takes to make PLT appealing to {Python,Ruby,Java} users 02:34:57 er...no? 02:35:00 that seems counterproductive 02:35:51 the feature that makes those languages appealing to corporations is that they help make programmers plug-compatible, which is not what the programmers want :P 02:36:47 pff 02:36:52 you're even more cynical than me 02:37:06 I don't believe you 02:37:08 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 02:37:15 and that is not a statement about your own cynicism! 02:37:49 clog [n=nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 02:37:49 kencausey [n=ken@67.15.6.88] has joined #scheme 02:38:36 I've found one way in which PLT would _clearly_ win over what I'm currently using at work: http://benjisimon.blogspot.com/2009/12/eli-on-my-scribble-for-html-solution.html 02:38:38 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ycos7ek 02:39:07 where do you work, offby1? 02:40:40 elly: `regexp-match*' can be used for something that is pretty close to a "real" lexer. 02:40:58 Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 02:41:22 rudybot: eval (regexp-match* #px"(?:[[:alpha:]][[:alpha:][:digit:]]+|[[:digit:].]+|[+*/-])" "foo123 12.4*2bar baz") 02:41:22 eli: ; Value: ("foo123" "12.4" "*" "2" "bar" "baz") 02:41:36 offby1: What is it that it wins over? 02:42:07 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 02:42:11 proq`` [n=user@71-20-201-84.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:41 offby1`: same question as the one for offby1 02:43:00 http://www.cozi.com 02:43:05 Seattle, downtown 02:43:09 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 02:43:11 xwl_` [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 02:43:16 Arelius` [n=user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 02:43:17 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:43:19 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 02:43:36 davazp` [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:50 -!- davazp [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:50 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:50 -!- m811 [n=user@150.181.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:50 -!- WuJiang [n=wujiang@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:50 -!- proq` [n=user@71-20-201-84.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:50 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- partisan [n=partisan@123.108.171.227] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- Arelius [n=user@64.174.9.113] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:53 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- j0ni_ [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- mhoye [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 02:43:54 *offby1* clips off the ` with a toenail clipper 02:44:13 huh! 02:44:22 huh! 02:44:25 Shocking, but true! 02:44:40 Next up: nerd enjoys video games 02:44:42 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 02:44:43 *elly* needs to decide soonish whether to be in boston or seattle 02:44:49 mhoye [n=mhoye@shell.off.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:50 WuJiang [n=wujiang@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 02:45:03 m811 [n=user@150.181.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 02:45:05 nerds in both places 02:45:06 offby1: So, what is it that it wins over? 02:45:13 yeah, I know :P 02:45:15 eli: er? 02:45:22 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 02:45:45 offby1: Earlier you said "I've found one way in which PLT would _clearly_ win over what I'm currently using at work" 02:45:47 oh. 02:46:12 We're using Cheetah (a Python templating system) at the moment. It's a nightmare, although I'm not sure the problem is Cheetah's 02:46:59 OK, "nightmare" is a tad strong. But our templates, and the associate code, are a mess. 02:46:59 Ah -- in that case, and if you try the scribble preprocessor language, I'll be happy to hear any feedback that you might have. 02:47:31 eli: I suspect we won't; we aren't eager to introduce another language into our system, and I grudgingly agree with that 02:48:07 partisan [n=partisan@123.108.171.227] has joined #scheme 02:48:12 if I were a better person, I'd use my own time to rewrite the template system using scribble, to show off how much better it'd be ... but realistically, that ain't gonna happen. 02:48:25 Well, in case you try it out yourself, and see some feature that is sorely missing, given your intimate knowledge of cheetah... 02:48:32 heh 02:48:40 sure, you know I'm happy to whine constructively 02:48:43 or, even not constructively. 02:48:57 .oO("destructively"?) 02:49:13 I've looked at it a bit, and it did look like a mess -- but the kind of mess that "php-oriented" people accept so happily. 02:50:51 davazp [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 proq` [n=user@71-20-201-84.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 Arelius [n=user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 02:50:51 incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:51:25 -!- davazp [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 02:51:30 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:51:30 -!- ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:51:36 eli: do you mean that Cheetah proper was a mess? 02:51:50 offby1: Yes -- 02:51:53 yeah 02:52:17 IIRC, they sounded like they wanted it to be useful for more than just web templates, and they ran into the indentation problem, 02:52:20 I've never used a templating system before, so I hesitate to criticize. But you can bet I was whining about not being able to use Scheme the whole time :) 02:52:32 and then they had a bunch of really ugly #pragma-like hacks to deal with it. 02:53:05 sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 02:53:18 Well, FWIW, the main principle behind the scribble syntax -- I believe -- is something that could be useful not only in other Schemes and Lisps, but also in completely different languages. 02:53:41 I wonder if the secret ingredient is "composability" 02:53:45 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 02:54:24 It's kind of related -- there are some subtle points about a proper system for quoting text in a way that is friendly and still allows you to do unquotations. 02:55:09 Scribble manages this to a point where you get something very easy to use and still get the capabilities of string interpolation. 02:55:41 offby1: solution: do everything in scheme! 02:55:48 I have never really taken Scribble out for a spin; I really should 02:56:00 elly: ain't gonna happen :-| 02:56:06 sounds like you haven't had a real-world job yet 02:56:38 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-187.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:56:55 Not *all* real-world jobs require you to use things like Python... 02:57:15 offby1: only once! 02:57:22 I was a compiler hacker over a summer at green hills 02:57:24 offby1: Well, the intimacy you have with cheetah aside, having gone through a templating will make using the scribble/text language familiar enough to be fun even when it's not completely unrelated to your day job... 02:57:28 that was working in C, which I don't object to 02:57:49 elly: Pff, You should have said `C++'. 02:58:03 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:58:07 Regarding Scribble, I recently proposed its syntax as a good starting point for a documentation-oriented wiki syntax to the CCL folks. This ended in yours truly essentially being called an idiot by Ron Garret for failing to see the beauty of using s-expression syntax for everything. 02:58:16 -!- incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:58:30 chandler: Where was that? 02:58:42 This was on openmcl-devel. 02:58:48 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:59:15 -!- Arelius [n=user@64.174.9.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:59:19 chandler: it's not on gmane? 02:59:22 heh 02:59:33 eli: but it was C :P 02:59:47 OK, I gotta think of a bite-sized project -- small enough that I am likely to actually do it -- that would benefit from scribble 02:59:52 elly: You lost a chance to make a really bad pun and prove your nerd-fu. 03:00:12 eli: I didn't even read "object" as "object" if you see what I mean 03:00:19 chandler: Also, did you by any chance point at my scheme workshop paper? 03:00:20 they're, like, totally different words 03:00:24 eli: oh, hah :P 03:00:25 no semantic overlap at all 03:00:43 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:00:43 eli: It is; my part of the train-wreck starts here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.openmcl.devel/5087/focus=5140 . 03:00:48 eli: No; I did not point at the paper. 03:00:54 chandler: Reading it should make it very clear that you'd get pretty much all of the advantages in any Lisp. 03:01:35 It wasn't the Scheme bit that was objectionable, but the idea that there was any benefit at all to using a syntax like Scribble instead of (section "just \"structuring\" everything in s-expressions"). 03:02:35 florgleborgle [n=nobody@p5B03B7BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 03:03:19 I'm pretty sure there was a time when I too thought it'd be nice to always use s-expressions 03:03:27 can't remember what made me change my mind 03:03:36 probably the annoyance of quoting string constants 03:03:52 ... as chandler has neatly demonstrated in his example 03:04:05 Yeah, that's how it starts. 03:04:12 And then it all goes downhill. 03:04:23 I've been there for probably more than 10 years. 03:04:34 -!- proq` [n=user@71-20-201-84.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:04:36 I pointed that out, but was then essentially called an idiot for not recognizing that you can just define some unicode curly-quote cruft (that can't be easily inserted without munging your system keymap) as a reader macro and use that instead! Nevermind the problem of documenting that syntax itself. 03:05:40 Anyway, it was a head-against-wall-ow moment and neatly reminded me of why, all technical issues aside, I don't care to interact much with the CL world anymore. 03:05:46 chandler: I'm just at the beginning of that thread, so I'll be able to tell more in a minute (or 90), but that sounds like scribble... 03:06:13 "that" = "define some unicode curly-quote cruft" 03:06:19 minus "unicode". 03:06:22 chandler: funny how important culture is, when considering programming languages 03:07:03 I think the worst thing about Java might just be the culture -- i.e., the people who use it :) 03:07:08 eli: Strangely enough, that was my next response - making a "nice" s-expression syntax for mixed text and structure would lead you directly to Scribble. It didn't go over well, and I gave up after that. 03:07:52 *elderK* gets elly some lemon tea, it's meant to help bad coughs :) 03:08:16 *offby1* roots around for salty snacks 03:08:33 *elderK* conjures some chips for offby1 03:08:33 hm 03:08:34 :) 03:08:36 ^_^ 03:08:38 let's see if lozenges will 03:08:43 mmm ... cod 03:08:49 *elderK* points to giant mystical vending machine in the corner 03:08:50 :D 03:08:52 -!- proq`` [n=user@71-20-201-84.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:08:57 *elderK* points to continuation, too 03:09:00 If you need anymore :D 03:09:01 here! 03:09:04 *elderK* throws continuation to offby1 03:09:05 :) 03:11:33 Let's see...Ocelots. Paupers. Pipe-nipples, 03:11:44 Polombras, Pizzas! Armenian Gardens...Hank's Juggernaut... New Leviathan...Nick's Swell... 03:16:54 chandler: Actually, DocBook sounds like it might be a nice backend for rendering pdfs. 03:17:19 My limited experience with it has led me to conclude that it's a mess. 03:18:16 I don't have any experience with it, but practically all of the complaints I hear about it are related to the verbose syntax. 03:18:24 Wow. I just went to Google to dig up a link to cl-typesetting, and I seem to be getting a radically redesigned page with a slightly different logo, a blue search box, and blue buttons. 03:19:18 *eli* "huh?"s 03:19:38 Installation and configuration seems to be a mess too. It's possible that distributions have this worked out lately, but in the past it required some mucking about with XML catalogs that seemed to be a bit... fragile. 03:20:26 Well, I'm assuming "some_command install docbook" will do the job, of course... 03:21:14 emerge docbook does it here 03:21:30 emerge is gentoo 03:22:04 On second thought, my memories of this being a problem are probably six or seven years old at this point. 03:22:05 elly, gentoo? 03:22:05 aye 03:22:08 *offby1* suspects that installation of DocBook is reasonably sane on modern Ubuntu 03:22:30 elderK: extremely! 03:22:39 :D 03:22:46 :) I used touse Gentoo, quite some time back. 03:23:08 back when I had a PowerPC machine, Gentoo was pretty much the only decent distribution to choose from. 03:23:09 :) 03:23:38 yay, I got all the papers I Wanted printed in deadtree ^_^ 03:23:46 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:23:47 :) I'm off for a bit guys. Got me some readin' to do 03:24:21 (For those who are wondering what my random surprised comment about Google was about, this is what I saw: http://i47.tinypic.com/2w56eef.png . Results look like this: http://i50.tinypic.com/25qgk1s.png .) 03:24:46 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:46 -!- sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:46 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:46 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:46 -!- bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:46 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:24:50 chandler: Is this the result of that docbook thing: http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/ ? 03:25:31 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 03:25:47 Yes, that's what DocBook generates at the moment. 03:26:12 Eww. 03:26:27 There are plenty of knobs to twiddle for styling, as I understand it. 03:26:31 adu [n=ajr@pool-74-96-89-187.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:26:56 Does PDF rendering look better? 03:27:01 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 03:27:10 pretty crude, that :) 03:27:30 rotty_ [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 03:28:12 -!- rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:28:12 -!- jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:28:12 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:28:12 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:28:12 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:28:12 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:29:07 eli: As far as I can tell, producing PDF from DocBook goes through TeX, so it probably looks like what you'd expect. 03:29:45 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:30:00 Ah, in that case, it sounds much less appealing. 03:30:07 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 03:30:44 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 03:30:44 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 03:30:44 eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 03:30:44 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:30:44 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:31:30 There seems to be another workflow that involves a bunch of Apache Java cruft. 03:31:41 (... and I finally get to your part in the thread...) 03:34:19 sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 03:34:19 bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:34:19 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 03:34:19 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 03:34:19 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 03:34:47 Anyway, I was going to point to cl-typesetting and a few libraries built on it (Exscribe and Gigamonkeys Markup) as being examples of successful direct Lisp-to-PDF document rendering, which shows that the problem is at least tractable (but probably more than trivial). 03:35:43 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 03:37:10 Actually, I only see three posts from you, and no place where Garret called you an idiot... only the usual silly sarcasm. 03:37:39 -!- masm [n=masm@bl5-104-109.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #scheme 03:38:38 -!- sad0ur_ [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:38:59 Perhaps I failed to understand the difference between being called an idiot and being told that I don't understand basic features of the Lisp reader. If it's sarcasm, I missed it completely. 03:40:48 My experience with c.l.l in general, and with Ron Garret in particular, is that this is far from being really bad. (But I might be outdated, I know his style mostly from the days he was called Erann Gat.) 03:41:07 In any case, I think I'll post something quick. 03:41:46 I'm not sure there's a point; I think the discussion basically wound up being an exercise in bikeshedding something that may or may not ever be worked on by anyone. 03:42:23 Yes, I know how it went -- but that particular point is worth sharpening a little. 03:42:45 One of my biggest surprises about the whole thing is just how difficult it is to design a *good* syntax for text. 03:43:08 In a way, I sympathize with his response -- that's exactly how I started. 03:43:33 Well, not exactly -- I never wanted to impose esoteric unicode characters -- but still, the road was very similar. 03:44:46 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:01 -!- jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:01 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:01 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:01 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:01 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:47:41 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:47:42 Hydr4 [n=Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:48:02 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:48:02 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:48:02 -!- bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:48:02 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:48:42 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 03:50:15 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:50:48 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 03:51:04 chandler: That thread is just sad :( 03:52:43 tjafk [n=timj@e176201093.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:52:58 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 03:52:58 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 03:52:58 eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 03:52:58 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:52:58 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:53:43 -!- timj [n=timj@e176213029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:54:38 Although I'm currently debating what to use for my own documentation. 03:55:14 I tried using Dorai Sitaram's mistie for a while but that was a _disaster_. 03:59:17 foof: Use scribble, of course. 03:59:34 eli: Why does scribble use @foo{...} instead of TeX-ish \foo{...} ? 04:00:13 Simply because "@" is much less common in Scheme code than "\". 04:00:43 But much more common in modern English. 04:00:44 But the actual characters are really not important, if you change them you get the same benefits. 04:01:19 name one identifier in plt that uses \ somewhere in its name 04:01:44 "@" is set as a non-breaking reader macro character, so `foo@bar' is still the same, only `@' at the beginning is taken to be scribble syntax. 04:01:44 Does scribble report line numbers and intelligible errors when you make a syntax error? I've discovered that the worst experience imaginable is having to debug your documentation. 04:02:22 As for using "\" -- the PLT implementation makes it easy to use a different character, and I did use "\" in some places just to see how it feels. 04:02:39 mikegran [n=mikegran@ppp-71-142-3-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:02:58 But this isn't this meant to mark up English documentation, not be embedded in Scheme code? 04:03:39 Most notably, the I wrote the scheme workshop paper in a syntax that uses "\" -- and made it so that "\foo" just outputs "\foo" when `foo' is undefined, which basically allowed me to write almost plain latex, but be able to extend it in Scheme. It was very cute. 04:04:39 Re line numbers -- yes, that is an extremely important point, and there is no general way to solve it in all Schemes and lisps. In PLT its obvious since syntax objects (what the reader macro returns) contain source information. 04:05:00 And the result is really working out much better. 04:05:08 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 04:05:08 bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:05:08 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 04:05:08 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:08 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:30 I've been through a number of preprocessor-based hacks, and looking at the expanded text to debug is really very bad for a rapid development cycle. 04:05:44 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:05:45 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 04:05:52 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 04:06:04 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:06:07 -!- mikegran [n=mikegran@ppp-71-142-3-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:06:19 mikegran [i=mikegran@ppp-71-142-3-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:06:27 -!- mikegran [i=mikegran@ppp-71-142-3-115.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has left #scheme 04:06:33 And re marking up English documentation -- there are two modes that the system can be used with, one is the usual, where @foo{blah} is read as (foo "blah"). In this mode you write Scheme code, and occasionally some (possibly long) pieces of text. 04:06:44 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:06:45 minion, do you have something for me? 04:06:47 Riastradh: you'd have to tell me... my memory circuits are fried 04:06:47 Riastradh, memo from rudybot: TR2N told me to tell you: Hello Riastradh. I'm using MIT Scheme Snapshot 20090107 and it just raised a trap exception when I did (modulo 1 0). 04:06:47 Riastradh, memo from rudybot: TR2N told me to tell you: Hmm... (quotient 1 0) and (remainder 1 0) also trap. 04:07:15 There is a second mode, where you read a file in "text mode", as if it's all wrapped in a pair of "{...}"s, and you use "@" to escape back into Scheme expressions. 04:07:55 But the main point is that the syntax itself is very useful -- and completely decoupled from the actual system you use for writing the documentation in. 04:08:33 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@adsl-209-30-50-170.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:44 This is, IMO, one of the points that made chandler's post ineffective -- he pointed at the top of the scribble manual, and that includes the documentation system in addition to the syntax -- and that's a much bigger pill, of course. 04:09:57 I think the main part of what made chandler's post ineffective is the general attitude and demeanour of his interlocutor. 04:11:34 I might be thicker than an average native English speaker, but I didn't see any attitude issues in his post. 04:12:56 As I read it, Ron Garret had pre-determined to mock scribble without really giving it a fair chance. 04:13:10 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:13:46 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 04:14:02 I completely agree -- if he would read just a little, he would see that the syntax is doing *exactly* what he's talking about: it is "just" an extension of the sexpr reader. 04:14:33 Is it actually implemented in PLT as a reader macro? 04:14:46 Yes. 04:15:13 http://svn.plt-scheme.org/plt/trunk/collects/scribble/reader.ss 04:15:46 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:46 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:15:51 The parser itself is not really that simple, but if you look at the end of that file you'll see the parts that hook it into the readtable. 04:15:55 And when is PLT going to move to a *real* VCS? :) 04:16:35 What's wrong with svn? 04:17:00 Or are you referring to some of the distributed systems? 04:17:20 Yes. 04:17:54 Well, it would be nice to move ot one of them, and we've had some discussions on it. 04:18:13 -!- Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:18:26 But the problem is that there is no clear winner that I see -- and more concretely, there is nothing that is as robust and reliable as subversion. 04:18:31 Checkie [i=6392@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 04:18:53 eli won't admit it but he secretly loves git 04:19:01 git looks kind of like a good choice, but I've seen plenty of complaints here, 04:19:20 some of the others are smaller-ish, and I'm not sure what were the issue. 04:19:36 I like mercurial. The only complaint I've ever seen about it is it's "not quite as fast as git." 04:20:14 And it only supports git-like branches as an experimental add-on. 04:20:15 Plus, I think that if the svn people get their act together, they can easily get a good market share. (And it doesn't seem like an impossible thing to do.) 04:20:48 I don't remember my conclusions on mercurial... git is the only thing that stuck into memory. 04:21:06 One complaint is the commands that are awkward, to say the least. 04:21:09 And, alas, Emacs is now on bzr :( 04:21:45 alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 04:21:45 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 04:21:45 eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 04:21:45 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:21:45 jay-mccarthy [n=jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:21:57 Another thing that worried me is that it is optimized to work on full directory trees as its content, so many small commits are worse than one big commit. 04:22:23 Right, that's actually one area where hg is faster. 04:22:43 Another thing that seemed odd given Linus's opinion on CVS is that it uses tags -- and one of the things I like best in subversion is the complete uniformity of tags and branches as directories. 04:22:54 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 04:23:06 Then there were a bunch of technical points that I don't remember well. 04:23:09 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 04:23:09 bipt [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:23:09 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:09 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:42 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:23:45 That actually drives me mad - it became a huge problem for Chicken, since all the duplication in tags and branches resulted in a full checkout exceeding 1GB. 04:23:56 You mean the way svn deals with it? 04:24:00 It doesn't matter if the server optimizes shared copies if the clients can't do the same. 04:24:02 yes 04:24:14 Why would you ever do a full checkout? 04:25:02 Because Chicken had conceptually nested repos - one for each egg, which are maintained by different people. 04:25:30 So if you wanted all the eggs you would just checkout the top, and that got a copy of every tag and every branch for every egg. 04:25:46 We have a user repository that is similar to that, but you still don't need a full checkout. 04:25:49 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 04:26:00 It sounds like a bad design of the layout then. 04:26:03 How do you grab each sub-repo? 04:26:08 s/each/every 04:26:22 If you want to allow checking out all of the eggs in one operation, 04:26:31 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 04:26:33 (which sounds like a perfectly good thing to do), 04:26:41 then you should lay out the directory as: 04:27:08 /trunk/egg1/blah... /trunk/egg2/blah... 04:27:28 /branches/egg1/branch1/blah... /branches/egg2/branch1/blah... 04:27:30 etc 04:27:37 ah 04:27:55 Possibly too late for that now. The core has moved to git anyway. 04:28:18 Another related feature that is very useful is that you can move directories around by doing the operation on the server. 04:28:29 That means that doing such a reorganization is always possible. 04:28:46 So it might be useful to do that even if its only the eggs that are in svn. 04:29:13 I'll mention it, thanks. 04:29:20 With our user repository, there are toplevel directories for users: /user1/blah... etc 04:29:31 and the uniformity pays off here too: 04:29:41 each user can have their own hierarchy, 04:30:00 for example, user1 can have /user1/trunk/... /user1/branches/... 04:30:03 But for the record, what I hate most about svn (and any non-DVCS) is lack of offline capabilities. 04:30:23 and user2 can do /user2/project1/trunk/... /user2/project1/branches/trunk/... 04:30:39 Yes, I completely agree with that. 04:31:03 And that's why I think that it should be easy for the svn people to get most of the market if they'll allow that somehow. 04:40:24 mmm, chicken shwarma 04:41:05 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:45:50 In N years I still didn't see a single *proper* shawarma anywhere in the US. 04:45:53 eli, he may not have had an attitude issue in that particular post, but if you read c.l.s, you are likely to stumble across some. 04:46:45 cky_ [n=cky@h-98-105-58-56.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 04:47:08 -!- cky [n=cky@h-166-166-124-165.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:47:08 -!- cky_ is now known as cky 04:47:39 Riastradh: These days I'm reading very few posts... 04:47:48 Sorry, c.l.l, I mean. 04:48:11 Once in a while -- every few months, or year or two -- I glance at c.l.l to remind myself why I avoid it so. 04:48:12 OK, cut "very few" down by a factor of 100. 04:48:26 :) 04:48:44 That seems to be a popular attitude to it. 04:49:14 eli, being a honkie, I have no credentials to discern proper from improper shawarma, but there's a place in Brookline called Shawarma King which has a pretty good lamb shawarma sandwich, as well as pretty good haloumi sandwiches. 04:49:16 Whenever I do that, I go straight to the deeper parts of some giant thread. 04:49:28 It's almost guaranteed to have the desired effect with minimal effort. 04:50:14 Riastradh: is that the place next to coolidge corner (whatever the spelling might be)? 04:50:19 Yes. 04:50:25 In that case I've been there. 04:50:33 It's also disappointing. 04:50:34 (Certainly, their lamb shawarma sandwiches are much better than any others I've had in the Boston area.) 04:51:22 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #scheme 04:51:31 In israel, you get a tray with one of these giant pitas, and they spread the hummus for you, 04:51:45 then you pile on whatever you want from a huge array of salads, 04:52:06 then you give it back and they pile on the meat (and fries etc), and fold it. 04:52:17 I see. 04:52:32 And the meat is not coming from some sad-looking bundle of "stuff" sitting in some tin-foil in the corner, 04:52:44 it's carved right off the rolling thing 04:52:57 It is carved right off the rolling thing at Shawarma King, at least. 04:53:03 and since these places are always busy, it's never getting to the point of being dry. 04:53:27 -!- drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:53:47 drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:53:52 yes, but then they expect you to eat hummus 04:53:52 I think that I remember that being one good point in favor of that place, but it was still nowhere close to what I'd call the real thing. 04:54:03 mmmm... hummus and pita and lamb... 04:54:14 2 out of 3 ain't bad 04:54:20 :P 04:54:20 Adamant: And you'd prefer it with yogurt sauce? 04:54:34 eli: I would prefer it with hot sauce 04:54:38 *foof* is thousands of miles from decent middle-eastern food 04:54:54 Adamant: Obviously! 04:55:04 But I'll be back in Philly in a week! \o/ 04:55:59 Adamant: Of the array of salads, about 75% are things that the average american would consider very hot. 04:56:22 eli: I don't know about Israel proper, but most of the pita-type places in the US have questionable cleanliness for their big spits of meat 04:57:17 eli: I am a chilihead and in general not impressed with "OMG our ethnic food is so hot!" 04:57:19 usually it isn't 04:57:32 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/PikiWiki_Israel_1281_Eating_in_Ramat_Hasharon_%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%9F_%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9E%D7%94_%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%9E%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9F.jpg 04:57:33 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yc7dvfr 04:57:54 yeah, that looks pretty decent 04:58:14 Adamant: At the pre-load-it-yourself stage, when they spread the hummus, they also spread the hot sauce, 04:58:23 and at this point you can ask for any amount you want. 04:58:55 eli: so far I've had Brits swear to me vindaloo is a weapon of mass destruction and Thais tell me their stuff is the burn to end all burns 04:58:57 they're both lying 04:59:30 I once made a vegetable stew seasoned just so, so that you couldn't tell whether it was hot from heat or hot from spices. That was some good stew... 05:00:35 Of course the rest of my family had to dilute it to tolerate. 05:00:39 yeah 05:00:40 Adamant: After my encounters with english cuisine, I'd conclude that anything hotter than a sprinkle of black pepper would be described as deadly. 05:00:46 that's the problem with being a chilihead 05:00:57 eli: truth, but the Thais have a OK international rep 05:01:01 Thai hot isn't 05:01:09 I used a very liberal amount of chili pepper, and black pepper. 05:01:57 everyone craps on the Mexicans, but when real Mexican chefs decide to do really hot stuff, it usually turns out that way 05:02:01 IME, Thai food can be hot, but it depends heavily on the place. 05:02:25 eli: well, I will say this, I haven't tried "Thai hot" in Thailand 05:02:34 I do it by sight out of the shaker, but I'd say there was around a heaping tablespoon of red pepper in that stew. 05:02:41 but I've tried US Thai joints in heavily Thai areas 05:03:05 and make clear that when I say "Thai Hot" I mean "Thai Thai Hot" 05:03:17 Adamant: I can recommend a place in Ithaca NY, if you're ever there. 05:03:23 and nozzing, I could just be unlucky. 05:03:39 I tried Indian a couple of times, both with my friend who insisted I needed to have it for the first time. Unfortunately he didn't plan ahead far enough for my first indian food to be at a good place. 05:03:41 eli: probably not, if you know something in NYC I might be there for some reason 05:04:28 Nah, upstate was where I spent most of my time. 05:04:38 I'd be interested in a good place in NYC too. Oh... 05:04:39 yeah, I figured being at NEU 05:04:41 I don'd recall eating anything notably spicy in Thailand, though I was mostly in touristy areas. 05:04:50 eli: I appreciate it though 05:05:29 foof: their scotch bonnets are pretty close to a standard habanero IIRC 05:05:38 I'm reminded of the Will and Grace episode where their visiting friends are scared off, and don't want to eat food _that_ ethnic, and want to go to Olive Garden. 05:05:53 Adamant: Not NEU -- I "served time" in Cornell. 05:06:38 eli: right, but I thought you were teaching there.. but doing time at Ithaca is Gorges would be a more likely explanation yeah 05:07:16 Adamant: Yes, I'm in NEU now. 05:07:34 Actually I haven't been in Ithaca for enough time that my knowledge is probably outdated. 05:07:44 -!- drogue [n=drogue@cpe-66-65-126-81.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 05:08:01 Oddly, the hottest food I've encountered in Japan is from a fast-food Japanese-style curry chain - much hotter than any of the Indian or Thai places. They warn you if you order about a certain spiciness level. 05:09:30 haven't heard anyone mention habanero: cliche? 05:13:17 klutometis: I did, real chiliheads start at roughly scotch bonnet habanero and go up to red sativa and naga jolikia (sp..) 05:13:26 scotch bonnet/habanero 05:13:51 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 05:14:02 then you have the split between the refined capsacin (sp..) folks and those that hate it 05:18:30 interesting 05:26:44 -!- xwl_` [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:27:25 eli, out of curiosity, what is the place in Ithaca that you were about to recommend? 05:27:41 Adamant, it is spelt `capsaicin'. 05:28:24 Riastradh: I have a crutch and it's name is 'spell-check', which unfortunately has either not heard of it or I mangled it too much 05:29:42 Also, I believe the two varieties you were referring to are the red savina and the Dorset naga. 05:30:28 -!- davazp` [n=user@95.Red-83-55-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:30:47 Riastradh: http://www.ithacathaicuisine.com/ 05:30:55 Riastradh: probably 05:31:11 In general, Ithaca has some *really* good places to eat. 05:31:35 it's the gorges 05:38:57 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 05:52:11 eli: -2 points for the comic sans title though 05:57:56 :) Allo people 05:58:13 hey, foof, are you around man? 05:58:21 roderic: Huh? 05:58:36 elderK: yep 05:59:16 I was wondering if you had any resources about implementing macro expanders? I've been reading up on syntactic closures and explicit renaming, it sounds really fascinating. 05:59:37 I've also read up on your posting, on the various macro expanders and methods. 05:59:51 :) Was just wondering how I could learn more. 06:01:15 Just the original papers, the MIT-Scheme docs and the schemewiki - there's not a lot of info on synclos out there. 06:02:08 Aye - The papers I've got a hold (courtesy of elly and sjamaan) are authored by Will Clinger and Chris Hansen? 06:02:32 Just, wonder how much expanders rely on supports from the underlying implementations. 06:02:50 Also Bawden's paper. 06:03:42 Sweet - searching for it on readscheme now :) 06:03:52 Thanks for answering, too, btw. 06:04:39 As for the MIT Scheme docs, I figured this http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-ref/SC-Transformer-Definition.html was the most relevant? 06:04:41 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yfqgedl 06:04:51 yeah 06:04:52 Cheers rudybot :) 06:05:45 I notice in one of the examples, if is closed in a syntactic-closure, and so is the identifier loop, but I was wondering why lambda wasn't? 06:06:02 Since, if "if" can be shadowed, lambda can too, right? 06:06:55 Actually no, my bad - lambda comes from the...binding of lambda at the time the transformer was defined, right? 06:07:14 Yes, probably a bug in the example then. 06:07:37 :) The example I'm referring to here, is the "fixed' version of loop-until, used documenting capture-syntactic-environment 06:08:22 oh, nm, that's a complicated example 06:08:32 I haven't used capture-syntactic-environment. 06:09:03 roderic: huh^2. 06:09:57 aha, bingo. 06:10:08 I know why lambda hasn't been closed. 06:10:29 btw, man, can I check my understanding on synclos with you, so far? 06:10:43 I'm trying to link the new terminology and such, to what I know from normal scheme, like, functional closures. 06:11:16 ~_~ Kind of get a little lost in the description of syntactic closures, especially in the papers. 06:11:57 but I figure, just as : (define (func) (let ((x 1) (y 2)) (lambda () (values x y)))) 06:12:35 the function returned by "func", is a closure - it's closes over the bindings for X and Y, introduced by the enclosing let. 06:13:56 so, I figure, if I imagine a form, closing over a syntactic envionrment, is similar. But, instead of variables having a binding to one or more locations, you have an alias bound to one or more concrete forms? 06:15:42 Not sure if that's a good way to try and see it or not. 06:16:39 Not concrete forms - they close over a specific environment. They don't resolve to anything "concrete" until they're expanded. 06:17:15 That's where I'm getting confused - I don't understand how the environment is passed to the macro expander. 06:17:33 but, I guess to understand that, I have to understand an implementation of Scheme? 06:18:07 And see how it enters things into the environment. 06:18:51 Read SICP, at least up until you see how the meta-circular evaluator works. 06:19:13 Thanks foof :) 06:19:27 :P Man, scheme is becoming a new obsession of mine! 06:19:58 Just, want to understand it... at every level. It's just damned cool. 06:20:06 And then imagine that, unlike as in SICP, there are bindings resolving to "core" forms, instead of special keywords like "lambda". 06:20:26 "core" forms being, maybe something like vector-set! or something? 06:20:58 No, that usually gets referred to as a primitive. core usually refers to lambda, set!, if, quote, etc. 06:21:00 or just generally, stuff that oculd be implemented as a library, but instead, are implemented as a native part of the scheme interreter? 06:21:05 Ah, okay :) 06:22:01 I thought if, quote, lambda, set!, were all special forms, and would all have safe bindings somewhere? 06:22:25 as for primitives - are they different from normal library procedures and such? 06:22:52 Perhaps I should just get to reading SICP and stop bugigng you. :) 06:22:55 Not from the point of view of a macro expander. 06:24:10 So, "core" forms are ones that have some kind of persistent alias - the macro expander considers them specially. 06:24:19 Where as primitives are treated just like any old code. 06:24:32 Just read SICP :) 06:24:36 :) Okay. 06:24:42 :D I just got ahold of a printer today, 06:24:58 So happy, since, it means I can take this stuff with me to a place like a park. 06:25:18 I find learning from paper to be much easier, you know? Just... reading PDFs for hours, it seems harder to concentrate on. 06:25:43 -!- ski [n=slj@c-0611e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:27:48 chandler: posted, finally. 06:35:19 ski [n=slj@c-0611e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 06:42:02 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:48:59 eli: they chose comic sans for typeface of the main "Thai Cuisine" title, gross. And they did it with the tag to make things worse. thought you'd appreciate taking points off for style :). 06:49:00 chibi-scheme 0.3 has been released 06:49:53 roderic: Ah. This is not the first really good place I've seen that had a horrible web page. 06:51:37 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 07:01:47 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [] 07:04:33 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:13:41 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:13:52 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 07:16:13 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 07:18:41 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 07:23:35 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 07:24:07 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:40:24 foof: Congrats! 07:46:42 Terminus [n=justin@124.6.152.90] has joined #scheme 07:48:22 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 07:50:32 ASau` [n=user@77.246.230.211] has joined #scheme 07:53:03 \o/ 07:58:45 I noticed that the README in 0.3 is much more fleshed-out. 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