00:00:20 eldragon: What do you mean? That's not a complete s-exp. 00:00:29 i did mistake 00:01:04 Missing ) after ((x 0) ? 00:01:50 *caoliver* grumbles! 00:02:11 Dogs need attention as does my stomach. BRB 00:05:17 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C4377F.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:08:20 -!- Mikaeel_Mohamed [n=Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:35:11 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 00:35:14 -!- sabaking [n=tiago@bl7-2-181.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:37:16 Fare: why forth in particular? 00:37:43 low-level enough to give you a feel for cell-level resources 00:38:06 yet high-level enough to not embarass you too much with machine-specific details 00:38:26 no? 00:38:55 also, has tail-recursion, etc., builtin 00:38:59 i don't really know, i just wanted to hear your reasons :) 00:44:36 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:47:42 Mikaeel_Mohamed [n=Mohamdu@CPE0013f7bc6820-CM0013f7bc681c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 00:51:12 davazp [n=user@197.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:09 copumpkin_ [n=copumpki@94.163.62.173] has joined #scheme 01:05:22 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:06:38 -!- Fuufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:06:58 Fuufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 01:07:16 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-199-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:10:15 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@94.162.163.238] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:10:16 -!- copumpkin_ is now known as copumpkin 01:13:13 copumpkin_ [n=copumpki@94.163.158.83] has joined #scheme 01:14:26 -!- hjk [n=pkt@081-003-214-196.yesss.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:17:37 lvh_ [n=lvh@83.101.78.122] has joined #scheme 01:17:41 foof: forgive me if I seem dense, but it seems to me that using integers as FDs gets you back into the area where precise GC is impossible. What am I missing. 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[n=campedel@net-93-144-169-116.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 16:37:41 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@94.162.139.223] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37:41 -!- copumpkin_ is now known as copumpkin 16:38:15 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:43:07 cky_ [n=cky@h-98-105-33-144.ip.alltel.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:25 -!- cky [n=cky@h-98-105-18-193.ip.alltel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:43:30 -!- cky_ is now known as cky 16:44:03 Hello everybody. I've got a question about (case ...) form: 16:44:26 Shouldn't this :(let ((x 12) (y 12)) 16:44:26 (case x 16:44:26 ((y) #t) 16:44:26 (else #f))) 16:44:33 give #t ? 16:45:15 Ops... the first line was meant to be "(let ((x 12) (y 12))" 16:46:37 case implicitly quotes its values 16:46:47 So you are comparing x to the symbol 'y there 16:46:59 So you are comparing *the value of the variable x* to the symbol 'y there 16:49:13 Oh thanks... so I can only use constants as comparison terms? 16:53:49 or is there a way to "unquote" y in my example? 16:55:10 You cannot unquote. 16:56:59 you want cond instead 16:57:11 (cond [(= x y) #t] [else #f]) 16:57:38 Or (= x y). 16:57:49 (set! masm (+ masm 1)) 16:58:34 That's what I was thinking, I thought I preferred case, to avoid all the explicit comparisons, but I see that I need to use cond, thanks. 16:58:50 Or, where the exact values #t and #f are required, then: (and (= x y) #t) 16:59:15 or just #t since 12 is equal to itself NURF DURF 16:59:24 Hehehehe. 17:00:41 Well, #t and #f were there only for the example, they really are more involved forms... the point was to try to have something like a "switch" and avois all comparisons. 17:00:53 *avoid 17:01:27 Belaf: Well, in "switch" you can only compare against constant expressions anyway. :-P 17:02:43 Erm, I think you're right :-) 17:02:47 scheme probably won't produce a jump table like in C, that I know of 17:04:38 depends on the implementation 17:05:19 What I'm trying to write is a switch over a set of possible events, each event is defined as "(define )", and I tried to use case on those event-ids... I'm going with cond now, thanks :) 17:05:58 ...why numbers? Why not just use the symbol directly? 17:06:12 -!- Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:06:44 I'm using an already written library, sdl-interface.scm 17:06:57 That library needs to change, then. :-P 17:07:07 Numeric events are so...C-like. 17:07:38 Well, SDL is a C library, and sdl-interface.scm is just an FFI layer on top of it... 17:07:58 Yeah, but, there's no reason for them to not map actual event names inside the FFI layer. 17:08:18 *cky* = perfectionist :-P 17:08:46 Uhm, maybe I can give a try to it... once I learn scheme enough, thet is ;-) 17:08:51 :-) 17:09:41 I got enought to have my example running, anyways... Thanks a lot! 17:10:51 Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 17:22:28 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingH@h75-100-215-182.lncswi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:22:52 nothingHappens [n=nothingH@h75-100-215-182.lncswi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #scheme 17:36:49 -!- xwl [n=user@123.115.99.128] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:37:39 visof [n=visof@41.238.234.63] has joined #scheme 17:38:19 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.234.63] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 17:38:48 visof [n=visof@41.238.234.63] has joined #scheme 17:42:01 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-34.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:47:42 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49:30 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 17:57:26 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:58:56 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 18:01:18 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02:55 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 18:03:12 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.133] has quit ["so long.."] 18:23:36 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.132.102.200] has joined #scheme 18:35:03 -!- Sergio`_ is now known as Sergio` 18:36:57 -!- davazp [n=user@239.Red-83-46-1.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:37:56 davazp [n=user@17.Red-83-54-166.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:45:15 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:47:02 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 19:01:08 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:05:05 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 19:09:33 HG` [n=HG@xdslet088.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 19:12:12 dansh [i=dbastos@dhcp-077-250-091-080.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 19:14:29 i have a simple domain specific language; it reads some text and translate it to scheme; i never had the need to look a token ahead; it was already a char, or two; so i handled these conditions in the scanner itself (im coding it all by hand, no lexer, no yacc, for educational purposes); now i wanna look ahead at least one token; maybe tomorrow i'll want two tokens; and im having difficulties thinking up algorithms to do the work; why am i h 19:16:05 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:18:22 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:18:32 my parser says that if only it had a peek-token function, it'd much happier; so i wrote a function to always keep a queue of three tokens and return the first one always; so here's what i did: if the queue has less than 3 tokens, it gets more and more tokens until it's full; once it's full, it returns the first guy; so imagine that eventually eof is returned, then i think my function will fill up the queue with repeated eofs, and that seems 19:19:28 im writing... more because it always helps to talk, and it's fun to talk 19:19:52 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 19:22:21 dansh, you know irc has a 512 character limit 19:22:29 your previous two sentences ended like this.. 19:22:30 i'd hope that my client is smart :) 19:22:34 it isn't. 19:22:40 "to do the work; why am i" 19:22:45 that's sad 19:22:47 ", and that seems" 19:22:54 i see 19:23:10 well, shall i post 4 more messages? i suppose breaking in two will do 19:23:36 maybe you should form a sub-committee and debate it for a few months 19:23:56 i have a simple domain specific language; the compiler reads some text and translates it to scheme; i never had the need to look a token ahead; it was already a char, or two; so i handled these conditions in the scanner itself (im coding it all by hand, no lexer, no yacc, for educational purposes); 19:24:02 now i wanna look ahead at least one token; maybe tomorrow i'll want two tokens; and im having difficulties thinking up algorithms to do the work; why am i having such difficulties? with enough experience, you can tell that if i knew this and that, i wouldnt be having such difficulties; can you detect what i miss about programming? co-routines, maybe? 19:24:40 my parser says that if only it had a peek-token function, it'd much happier; so i wrote a function to always keep a queue of three tokens and return the first one always; so here's what i did: if the queue has less than 3 tokens, it gets more and more tokens until it's full; once it's full, it returns the first guy; 19:24:45 so imagine that eventually eof is returned, then i think my function will fill up the queue with repeated eofs, and that seems to be fine; i'm not actually sure of the behavior yet; i haven't tested it, but as things are simple enough, i believe that'll happen. 19:25:45 (the committee is now in recess 'til 2010) 19:26:11 Night guys! 19:26:43 -!- elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-127.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["for whom does the bell toll?"] 19:31:54 does anybody know a book that helps one to use lex and yacc in scheme? assuming not much about lex-and-yacc-type-of knowledge? 19:41:59 Fare [n=Fare@adsl-71-135-54-71.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:45:03 hum. 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