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doesn't take any more. 07:46:15 (map move 1 frogs) ? 07:47:09 ASau` [n=user@77.246.230.243] has joined #scheme 07:47:14 hmm 07:47:14 That would be an error 07:47:22 What is the problem? 07:47:37 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.133] has joined #scheme 07:48:04 Im trying to get a feel of how the function call would look like 07:48:17 morphir: could you provide some code? 07:48:22 nope 07:48:31 dont have any 07:48:37 If you can't detail your problem, we can't answer it. 07:48:45 2 sec 07:48:51 need to rethink it 07:48:55 :) 07:49:54 morphir: (map (lambda (f) (move 1 f)) frogs) 07:50:06 so.. if I write (move 3 frog) 07:50:30 How many arguments does move take? 07:50:43 hkBst: exactly 07:51:08 or I could write a specialized function 07:51:24 hkBst's code creates a specialized function 07:51:27 (map move-3 frogs) 07:51:53 Jafet: yes 07:51:53 if you create the function by (lambda ...) or by an outside definition wont matter 07:52:25 ski [n=slj@c-0611e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 07:52:37 hmm 07:52:46 so thats the only way I suppose. 07:53:30 you could even create the funtion by another function, which could choose any behaivor you like 07:53:42 (map move (repeat 3 (length frogs)) frogs) 07:53:50 so (map (move 3) frogs) comes most natural to me 07:54:07 You may be interested in Haskell 07:54:16 but that would make (move 3) a function call 07:54:29 Jafet: how is that? :D 07:55:02 (move 3) in Haskell would be equivalent to (lambda (f) (move 3 f)) in Scheme 07:55:04 morphir: (define (move n) (lambda (f) (move-n-steps f n))) could do dhat 07:55:28 morphir: (move-frogs 3 frogs) 07:56:48 I see a recurring pattern that one easily end creating a dsl when playing with scheme. Would that be a sensible statement? 07:57:07 *end up 07:58:40 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-82-46.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 08:01:14 morphir: yes 08:02:58 morphir: did you mean something like that: http://paste.lisp.org/display/92301 ? 08:07:19 hjk: yep! 08:07:46 you won't need laziness for this. make a function that returns a function 08:08:25 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-230-252.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:09:35 Jafet: the thing with haskell is that when you get spoiled with lisp 08:09:48 it becomes hard to accept some other syntax form 08:10:28 even though syntax is quite trivial in the long run 08:10:42 as it is a matter of getting used to it 08:11:43 hjk: your solution was quite clever. 08:11:44 hehe 08:12:15 morphir: you get used to such things by time 08:15:03 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:15:23 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 08:20:54 srfi-26: (map (cut move 3 <>) frogs) 08:28:52 foof: ok, so (cut arg1 arg2 ...) does literally cut out arg1 and arg2? 08:30:01 no, it cuts 'yer yeller liver 08:30:58 do I sense some sarcasm here? :D 08:31:42 It's a stupid name. It's an arguably poor syntax. But the partial application idiom is too useful to ignore, especially given the verbosity of lambda, and srfi-26 is fairly widely supported. 08:32:30 aha. So I dont know what <> means 08:32:44 it makes no sense 08:33:06 Last I checked SRFI's still had publicly available documentation :) 08:34:35 yeah, I only have the r5rs at hand here 08:41:00 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 08:49:45 mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 08:57:25 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-230-252.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:00:57 schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 09:01:08 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit ["Leaving."] 09:02:54 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 09:35:54 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 09:41:31 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:44:00 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:44:21 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:46:04 what would you call to a procedure that counts the number of true predicates in a list ? like (#t #f #t #t #f) -> 3 09:46:39 Compose length and filter 09:47:33 thanks. Is there a specific name for the operation ? 09:47:59 I don't know one, but search the SRFIs 09:49:10 srfi-1: (count values list) 09:50:44 ah..thats it :) 09:50:47 thanks, foof. 10:03:46 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.235.169] has quit [Success] 10:06:51 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 10:14:16 sdgf [n=hellyeah@85.96.145.237] has joined #scheme 10:16:10 snearch [n=olaf@g225051032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 10:20:12 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-215-132.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 10:23:08 I dont get it.. 10:23:22 what is SRFI vs RxRS? 10:24:25 morphir: it's still scheme when you break with the SRFIs :) 10:25:38 yeah, so its 'a implementaion' vs. 'the language' 10:25:59 SRFIs conforms to rxrs? 10:28:49 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:29:48 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 10:30:14 hard to tell on an abstract level. read some SRFIs, then you will see where they point 10:57:24 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 10:58:10 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:58:40 -!- sdgf [n=hellyeah@85.96.145.237] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:59:20 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 11:00:51 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 11:08:03 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:19:45 hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 11:20:51 aintme [n=user@13.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #scheme 11:21:52 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:30:10 marijn [n=hkBst@41.184.83.52] has joined #scheme 11:30:38 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Connection refused] 11:31:34 -!- nutmegmagi [n=swalters@65.222.72.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:38:44 -!- marijn [n=hkBst@41.184.83.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:44:54 -!- hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:47:41 -!- snearch [n=olaf@g225051032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 11:49:50 -!- hjk [n=pkt@081-003-214-196.yesss.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:50:28 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:52:33 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 11:55:59 mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 11:59:34 why this doesn't work? 11:59:38 Edico pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92309 12:01:11 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:02:58 it is this one rewrote using let 12:03:00 Edico pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92310 12:03:35 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 12:14:45 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-79-115-206.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:19:04 rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 12:21:58 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:22:16 ecraven [n=nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has joined #scheme 12:26:53 I solved my problem: 12:26:56 Edico pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92311 12:28:55 but is nicer using if: 12:28:58 Edico pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92312 12:33:05 elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-127.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 12:33:48 davazp [n=user@128.Red-88-1-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 12:34:30 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:35:07 -!- elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-127.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #scheme 12:44:19 bokr [n=user@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 12:56:13 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-79-115-206.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:57:04 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-79-115-206.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:57:08 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-79-115-206.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:57:13 -!- bokr [n=user@95.154.102.124] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:00:30 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-79-115-206.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:02:59 untouchable [n=untoucha@pool-151-203-233-118.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:04:57 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-215-132.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:05:13 kenjin [n=kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #scheme 13:05:21 -!- kenjin is now known as kenjin2 13:05:27 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 13:06:21 davazp` [n=user@129.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:06:34 -!- davazp` [n=user@129.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:06:47 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 13:11:11 -!- untouchable [n=untoucha@pool-151-203-233-118.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 13:25:04 -!- davazp [n=user@128.Red-88-1-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:31:05 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingH@173-31-122-80.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:33:47 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:33:47 -!- jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:34:15 jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #scheme 13:34:15 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 13:34:29 blast! I lost my sandwich during the netsplit! 13:36:33 jgracin [n=jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #scheme 13:36:41 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 13:37:53 strontiumdog [n=user@dslb-088-069-045-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 13:39:52 jeez1234 [n=jeez@117.193.168.127] has joined #scheme 13:40:47 hi, i'm just learning lisp. can someone debug my code? 13:42:02 jeez1234 pasted "error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92316 13:42:23 http://paste.lisp.org/+1Z8C 13:44:28 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:45:03 hint: 13:45:10 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:45:10 -!- jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:45:13 Warning: in toplevel procedure `foo': 13:45:13 expected in procedure call to `(if (> x6 y7) (> y7 z8) (quote #f))' a value of type `(procedure (*) *)', but were given a value of type `boolean' 13:45:13 13:45:13 Warning: in toplevel procedure `foo': 13:45:16 expected in procedure call to `(if (> x6 y7) (> z8 y7) (quote #f))' a value of type `(procedure (*) *)', but were given a value of type `boolean' 13:45:18 13:45:24 -!- strontiumdog [n=user@dslb-088-069-045-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 13:46:40 jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #scheme 13:46:40 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 13:46:49 someone? :-\ 13:48:21 alaricsp [n=alaric@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 13:48:36 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:48:36 -!- jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [crichton.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 13:48:53 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Success] 13:48:59 jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #scheme 13:48:59 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 13:49:24 jeez1234: Your indentation is all FUBAR 13:49:27 That hides the error 13:49:38 jeez1234: your cond clauses list is screwed. 13:50:22 sjamaan annotated #92316 "Do you see it now?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92316#1 13:51:08 Not only this. 13:51:39 mario-goulart: One thing at a time :) 13:52:25 trying, [im slow :| ], a min! 13:52:55 ok. No hurry. :-) 13:53:01 jeez1234: It really helps to indent your scheme code according to common conventions. It really took me a while before I saw your error 13:53:23 I had to execute the code before I saw it, all because of the personal indentation style you used 13:53:41 sjamaan: i started reading about 12 hours back, still not familiar with the conventions! 13:53:42 Scheme is not C :) 13:53:47 *lips 13:53:49 *lisp 13:54:13 What are you reading? 13:54:35 sicp 13:54:46 sicp uses the conventions I'm talking about 13:54:50 Just mimic what you see there 13:55:23 yes sir! 13:55:28 heh 13:55:41 I'm not trying to be bossy, but helpful! 13:56:20 :) 13:57:07 -!- schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:57:29 its nothing compared to some perl guys who used 'deflower' in an argument after my FU beginner's code! 13:57:48 o_O 13:58:52 ? 14:00:05 sjamaan: still can't find the mistake! another lead? 14:00:21 jeez1234: See the mismatch between the first and the second cond line? 14:01:55 The and starts a little more to the right on the first line 14:02:10 yeah 14:02:16 Why do you think that is? 14:02:30 hint: matching parens light up when you hover your mouse over them 14:03:08 because the first line has a ( for the cond 14:03:23 Why? 14:03:53 syntax? :-\ 14:04:05 What is cond's general syntax? 14:04:52 okay 14:04:54 i think i got it 14:05:32 i thought cond was: 14:05:32 cond 14:05:32 ((
)
14:05:32    (
)...)
14:05:55  nope
14:06:08  and its:
14:06:08  (cond
14:06:08    (
)
14:06:08    (
)...)
14:06:14  aye
14:06:17  You got it
14:06:39  yay! thanks :)
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14:11:28  np
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17:04:02  Lisp veteran, but new to DrScheme. what do I need to do to get access to OPEN-INPUT-STRING (SRFI 6) or equivalent?
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17:04:47  I have a string, want an input port that I can use to read from the string
17:05:48  SethTisue: you need to use a "language level" that includes it
17:05:51  rudybot: eval open-input-string
17:05:52  *offby1: ; Value: #
17:06:05  rudybot: eval (read (open-input-string "frotz"))
17:06:05  *offby1: ; Value: frotz
17:06:11  rudybot: eval (read (open-input-string "123"))
17:06:12  *offby1: ; Value: 123
17:06:28  the "scheme" language has it built in, but you might be using one of the educational languages
17:06:31  rudybot: doc open-input-string
17:06:32  *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/stringport.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._open-input-string))
17:06:41  I'm using R5RS
17:06:59  ah, there you go
17:07:06  I don't see a choice that just says "Scheme"
17:07:12  try "module"
17:07:32  oh, I didn't even realize that was an actual choice...
17:07:42  I'm good now. thanks for the heklp!
17:07:46  hooray
17:07:54  so what is "Module", exactly?
17:08:06  not sure I really understand.
17:08:15  The PLT docs are pretty good; they'll probably explain
17:08:41  for one thing, the module language lets you use "require"; not all the languages do that
17:08:48  i.e., "require" doesn't mean anything in R5RS
17:09:07  what is "the module language"?
17:09:17  it's not R5Rs, it's...?
17:09:36  no, it's "PLT scheme"
17:09:41  or "scheme"
17:09:47  not sure what it's called.
17:09:55  But it's the language documented in the reference
17:10:14  ok, thanks. a little odd it launched in R5RS by default
17:13:40  SethTisue: "Module" is a language that requires a module definition,
17:13:48  "Module" is a generic language - the module that you write in the definitions window gets to specify which language it uses
17:13:52  which you usually get with a line like `#lang scheme' at the top.
17:14:06  for example, if it starts with '#lang scheme' that means that it's in the `scheme' language
17:14:09  You could also use `#lang r5rs' to get the body to be in the r5rs language.
17:14:29  (And, of course, "Module" is a bad name for it.)
17:16:19  thx
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