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[n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:13:59 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:24:23 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 07:25:24 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdslen100.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 07:25:38 Any idea why this is an invalid macro ? 07:25:38 (define-syntax map-define 07:25:39 (syntax-rules () 07:25:39 ((map-define (var1 ...) (expr1 ...)) (define var1 expr1) ...))) 07:26:31 TR2N: you need to wrap the multiple outputs in a BEGIN 07:27:19 syntax-rules macros can only have one output form 07:28:39 oh my...that's it. It works :) 07:28:46 Thank you so much, hkBst 07:28:54 testii [n=user@121.233.99.140] has joined #scheme 07:28:56 Now I can automate defines. 07:30:16 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-207.naist.jp] has quit [] 07:30:51 -!- testii [n=user@121.233.99.140] has quit [Client Quit] 07:31:33 underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 07:36:05 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 07:40:28 xwl_` [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 07:41:21 -!- xwl_` is now known as xwl__ 07:43:31 -!- stepnem [n=stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:46:03 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 07:51:56 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:52:13 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 07:55:51 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:56:39 TR2N: also see: define-values 08:04:08 Is define-values R5RS ? 08:04:23 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:04:34 Hmm...doesn't seem to be. Probably R6RS. 08:04:56 not R6RS 08:07:02 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 08:07:28 Interesting. 08:09:27 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-9-179.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 08:11:33 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:11:34 Now I want to define several variables with the symbols that represent them. 08:11:35 (define-syntax define-symbols 08:11:36 (syntax-rules () 08:11:36 ((define-symbols symbol1 ...)) (begin (define symbol1 'symbol1) ...))) 08:11:47 It works fine with (define-symbols a b c) 08:12:13 But if I do: (define lst '(x y z)) (define-symbols lst) 08:12:42 It doesn't give me the x,y,z variables with the corresponding symbols. Gives me lst instead. 08:13:08 Is there a workaround so an argument of a macro can be evaluated before being used by the macro ? 08:14:16 I think that the macro expands before the define occurs 08:14:51 :/ 08:15:41 -!- ineiros_ [n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 08:15:57 ineiros [n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 08:21:45 Why on earth would you want to do that, TR2N? :/ 08:23:05 The idea is having the data at a single place (the symbols) and generate the corresponding vars and a predicate function to check if an object is one of those symbols. I don't want to have the same data spread out in the code. 08:23:12 TR2N: the only way to turn symbols into variable bindings is to evaluate them, which is generally expensive and incorrect. 08:23:34 erm 08:23:42 why would you ever want the variable "symbol1"? 08:23:50 given that it always evaluates directly to 'symbol1 08:24:33 -!- bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:24:40 I would just use 'symbol1 everywhere literally, and not bother with any binding at all. 08:25:03 schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has joined #scheme 08:25:41 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 08:26:15 *synx* would use something more meaningful than 'symbol1 though 08:26:23 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 08:28:07 What I need is just this: instead of writing (define a 'a) (define b 'b) (define c 'c), I just want to write (define-symbols a b c). The name symbol1 is just an inner identifier inside the macro. 08:32:28 nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 08:35:16 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:35:19 syntax-rules will generate internal identifiers for you as needed, I think... 08:38:42 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:38:54 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 08:39:09 george [n=george@189.107.166.115] has joined #scheme 08:43:43 -!- QinGW3 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:45:44 thanks for the info, synx. 08:46:45 no prob 08:53:05 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 09:01:11 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@user-387hdp5.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [] 09:03:33 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 09:12:01 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:13:01 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit 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I had it bookmarked but now it's just gone 19:57:16 Maybe it was just "sketchy". 19:57:26 ~-~ 20:06:25 JoelMcCracken [n=joelmccr@pool-96-236-230-252.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:06:57 mario-goulart: lol 20:09:08 not very helpful, though 20:09:39 -!- untouchable [n=untoucha@pool-141-154-209-61.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 20:10:39 gwern: sorry. :-) 20:10:52 oh well 20:10:53 -!- gwern [n=gwern@wikipedia/Gwern] has left #scheme 20:12:18 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:12:28 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-154-152.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:13:50 davazp [n=user@102.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:15:45 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:18:49 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:20:48 xerces [n=Xerces@24.139.121.4] has joined #scheme 20:21:45 -!- davazp [n=user@102.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22:18 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:22:48 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:23:53 -!- cornucopic [n=amit@202.3.77.130] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:26:38 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-39-138.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:27:43 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:28:16 I'm trying to use make-evaluator to test user submitted code for correctness. Whenever make-evaluator is run, it shows the output on the repl. Is there any way to get this output, or to control more specifically how the evaluator evaluates the code? 20:28:16 20:32:53 cornucopic [n=amit@202.3.77.130] has joined #scheme 20:35:56 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 20:36:21 -!- aintme [n=user@36.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:36:29 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- zbigniew [n=zb@3e8.org] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- tabe```` [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- tizoc [n=user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- certainty [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- alexsuraci [n=Alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:36:29 -!- skampler [n=sk@unaffiliated/skampler] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:37:05 or, possibly, does anyone have any idea what causes the repl to print all of the evaluated expressions from the sandboxed evaluator? 20:40:15 JoelMcCracken: You might want to look at rudybot's source. 20:40:27 offby1: Oh, rudybot seems to have disappeared! 20:40:43 JoelMcCracken: Anyway, the source is here: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot 20:40:45 oo 20:40:47 thankss 20:41:23 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 20:41:59 schmir [n=schmir@p54A90217.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 skampler [n=sk@unaffiliated/skampler] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 alexsuraci [n=Alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 tizoc [n=user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 tabe```` [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 zbigniew [n=zb@3e8.org] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 20:48:13 certainty [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 20:48:55 JoelMcCracken: Did you look at the docs? 20:48:58 JoelMcCracken: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/Sandboxed_Evaluation.html 20:49:08 You can set the output to go wherever you want. 20:50:04 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.232.149] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:50:23 oh yeah 20:51:21 i'm specifically talking about grabbing the '10 from (make-evaluator 'scheme '10) 20:52:07 that 10 doesn't appear on the output, ie (sandbox-output 'string) (define me (make-eval...)) (get-output me) 20:52:07 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 20:52:47 blackened`_ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 20:53:08 make sense? 20:53:28 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:53:39 -!- m811 [n=user@150.181.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [""If you put a million monkeys at a million keyboards, one of them will eventually write a Java program. The rest of them will] 20:54:28 So what's the problem? 20:54:40 That should give you "10\n" 20:54:54 ah it doesnt. it returns "" 20:55:42 Then I suspect that something else is wrong -- I just tried exactly those three expressions, and there was no problems. 20:56:29 Are you trying it in mzscheme or in drscheme? 20:57:03 drscheme 20:57:22 i just realized that I really need to update 20:57:50 i'll try that first 20:58:03 So you also need to wrap the sandbox in a parameter that sets `current-print' to something -- drscheme uses that to have a different color for the output. 20:58:29 ah. So this should work with mzscheme? 20:59:38 Yes, DrScheme happens to change `current-print' so it doesn't print to the usual output port. 21:00:24 jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:00:51 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-70-156.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:01:42 fantastic, works great. Thanks eli 21:06:52 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 21:24:36 -!- cornucopic [n=amit@202.3.77.130] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:25:35 Narrenschiff [n=ritchie@xolotl.plus.com] has joined #scheme 21:33:42 cornucopic [n=amit@202.3.77.130] has joined #scheme 21:35:27 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:38:23 -!- XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:23 -!- zbigniew [n=zb@3e8.org] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:23 -!- rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- tabe```` [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- tizoc [n=user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- certainty [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- alexsuraci [n=Alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:38:24 -!- skampler [n=sk@unaffiliated/skampler] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:39:07 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:45:16 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:45:57 Two questions: 21:46:24 What's the best way to write a division function that always returns an inexact result? 21:46:42 reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 skampler [n=sk@unaffiliated/skampler] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 nowhere_man [n=pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 peddie [n=peddie@TEP.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 alexsuraci [n=Alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 jyujin [n=mdeining@vs166245.vserver.de] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 tizoc [n=user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 sjamaan [n=sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 tabe```` [n=user@adel.fixedpoint.jp] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 XTL [i=t6haha00@rhea.oamk.fi] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 zbigniew [n=zb@3e8.org] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 j0ni [n=joni@192.219.30.200] has joined #scheme 21:46:42 certainty [n=david@hades.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 21:46:50 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 21:48:00 Should I do (/ (exact->inexact num) den), or (exact->inexact (/ num den))? 21:52:32 the latter 21:52:47 don't lose precision until the very end, if you can avoid it 21:53:38 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A90217.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:53:56 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingH@67.41.108.251] has quit [Success] 21:54:02 Thanks. 21:54:35 Second question: I'm writing a recursive descent parser by hand. Like all LL(1) parsers, it can't cope with left-recursive rules like A = A | A, B. 21:55:00 True. 21:55:01 sorry 21:55:07 A = B | A, B. 21:55:44 You can rewrite as A = B | B, A, but sometimes that's semantically wrong. 21:56:25 The workaround I'm familiar with is to write a while-loop for the A = B | A, B case and accumulate the result. However, this is not very Schemely. I'm wondering if there is something better to do. 21:57:29 A while loop seems like a perferctly Scheme-y way to do it to me. 21:59:35 jcowan: first of all you'd have to drop the ll(1) and you could keep a history of previous tokes 21:59:38 tokens* 22:00:13 Yes, if you go that way you quickly wind up with a packrat parser, which I wished to avoid. 22:00:22 ok 22:04:10 -!- eldragon is now known as BlackRockBroken 22:06:14 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-111-70-156.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:06:23 mrd`: It's the accumulation that I'd like to do a little better with. 22:06:41 I mean, I know we have set! and cons and reverse, but .... 22:07:43 -!- BlackRockBroken is now known as BlackRockFailed 22:11:02 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 22:13:06 -!- jimrees [n=jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:13:06 -!- kencausey [n=ken@67.15.6.88] has quit [jordan.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:13:06 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