00:06:31 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05472D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:16:14 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 00:17:16 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 00:20:12 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:50 lament [n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 00:24:10 K I L I M A N J A R O I S B R O A D L Y I G N O R A N T 00:24:33 lol 00:24:56 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:28:57 incubot, happy hannukah 00:29:01 a definition of derived work which actually involved, you know, deriving or including would make me happy 00:29:04 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [K-lined] 00:31:30 -!- sepult`` [n=user@xdsl-78-35-192-155.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:33:34 xerox [n=xerox@151.61.161.138] has joined #scheme 00:38:38 So, I haven't looked at Scheme in a while 00:38:46 has the sentiment towards R6RS changed in any way? 00:38:56 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 00:39:13 or is it still a faux pas to admit in public that you like it? 00:39:16 I think its the same 00:39:31 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 00:39:39 I think its more like use r6rs if you want it but you are free to ignore it . 00:39:47 There have been some r6rs implementations though. 00:40:01 sepult [n=user@xdsl-78-35-192-155.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 00:40:05 more than just plt and that one that was r6rs from the beginning? 00:40:28 with a funny name 00:40:41 no 00:40:46 ikarus 00:40:51 I don't know i haven't played with scheme that much either 00:40:51 ypsilon 00:41:10 oh, it seems ikarus isn't even active anymore 00:41:31 that's a disappointment 00:41:31 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 00:42:07 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:43:07 It doesn't seem like r6rs got its goal of unifing the schemes 00:45:54 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-226-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:45:56 ternary [n=rk@host81-141-232-12.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #scheme 00:46:24 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:28 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:28 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:28 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:28 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:28 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:33 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:38 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:43 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:52 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:52 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:52 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:46:53 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:46:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:46:58 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:00 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 00:47:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:03 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:07 paging chandler, chandler, please pick up the white courtesy phone 00:47:08 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:21 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 00:47:21 K I L I M A N J A R O I S B R O A D L Y I G N O R A N T 00:47:23 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:28 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:33 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:47:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:47:48 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:47:49 more like kilimanretard! 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kilimanjaro, more like 00:48:23 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:48:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:48:28 thermoplyae [n=ecpeters@c-98-228-49-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:48:31 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:48:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:48:33 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:48:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:48:38 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:48:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:48:43 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:48:45 -!- thermoplyae [n=ecpeters@c-98-228-49-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #scheme 00:48:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:48:49 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:48:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:48:53 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:48:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:48:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:03 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:08 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:13 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:18 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:23 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:30 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:40 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:43 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:43 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:48 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:49:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:49:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:49:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:03 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:06 chandler 00:50:07 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:07 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:21 ?? 00:50:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:32 ... 00:50:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:48 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:50:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:50:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:50:57 Uh we need an op 00:50:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:03 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:07 chander forcer Riastradh yome foof 00:51:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:10 (Until then, try /ignore.) 00:51:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:13 yea 00:51:13 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:18 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:23 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:33 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:48 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:51:53 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:51:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:51:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:00 JamesC93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #scheme 00:52:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:08 k[a]tie [i=PLTBot@adsl-70-142-41-94.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:52:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:09 chandler: ping 00:52:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:14 GrooveDog [n=GrooveDo@wikimedia/GrooveDog] has joined #scheme 00:52:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:28 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:28 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:32 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:37 Dominian [i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian] has joined #scheme 00:52:38 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:38 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:42 Dominian: oh hi 00:52:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:47 oh I see 00:52:49 Dominian: would you mind sorting this out? 00:52:50 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:52:52 yeah.. that's annoying 00:52:55 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:52:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:52:58 *cough* kline *cough* 00:53:00 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:04 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:13 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:17 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:22 thanks 00:53:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:26 yeah, a kline would be great 00:53:31 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:32 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:38 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:43 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:45 jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #scheme 00:53:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:49 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:53:53 we have been getting this guy in here randomly for the past few days or so 00:53:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:53:56 HTT-Bird [n=kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has joined #scheme 00:53:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:53:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:03 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:03 elly: Is it the same user every time? 00:54:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:05 different proxy every time, I think 00:54:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:08 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:13 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:14 I mean, it could be the same person, but the hosts change 00:54:14 doesnt people have better things to do than sit here and spam? 00:54:15 Aww, that makes it so much harder 00:54:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:18 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:23 k[a]tie: Most likely a bot 00:54:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:29 it's looking kinda botlike 00:54:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:41 but like, who makes a bot to spam? 00:54:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:43 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:49 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:49 the kind of person who does this? 00:54:53 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:54:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:54:57 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:54:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:00 a person without anything better to do apparently 00:55:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:01 can one of you freenode staffers please kline it? 00:55:05 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:05 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:08 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:09 all our ops appear to be gone 00:55:10 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:13 *copumpkin* sighs 00:55:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:22 chandler: i think you are the only one with the power to kill the troll 00:55:23 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:27 I imagine kiliminjaro gets rather a lot of pings. :/ 00:55:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:31 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:36 there are theoretically five channel ops, but 00:55:39 ternary: I must ask that you cease. 00:55:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:44 ternary: Since you won't respond to PM :) 00:55:45 You could always use /ignore 00:55:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:50 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:55:52 Dominian is working on it via reasonable policy, he's staff. 00:55:52 There should be a way to have the channel automatically kick someone that does this. Based on the number on lines in 10 seconds, say. 00:55:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:55:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:55:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:03 so wait..this 'bot' was made against kilimanjaro? 00:56:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:09 Yeah /ignore for now 00:56:10 masm1: I think there is a +f flag for that, or maybe I'm thinking of UnrealIRCd 00:56:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:21 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:22 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:33 Dominian: wow, you guys have a procedure for this? on the other networks I hang out on the opers are a bit more /kill-happy :P 00:56:35 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:35 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:35 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:39 masm1: yeah but since the channel operators didn't put that policy freenode staff doesn't makes those decision for them 00:56:39 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:41 What lament's earlier comment just coincidental? 00:56:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:44 bearded_oneder [n=bearded_@cpe-071-071-195-211.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:56:45 And tell your founder to add *!*@freenode/staff* to his access list. :) 00:56:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:46 Raiku [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Raiku-Lucifer-Samiyaza] has joined #scheme 00:56:47 Libster` [n=Libster@pool-74-103-83-201.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:56:48 elly: That runs people off unfortunately :) 00:56:49 kencausey: it's not clear 00:56:49 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:56:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:56:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:56:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:00 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:06 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:09 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 00:57:12 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:14 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:15 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:19 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:20 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:21 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:22 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:23 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:25 okay, seriously. 00:57:25 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:26 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:27 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:28 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:30 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:32 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:35 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:35 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:38 oh for the love of god 00:57:38 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:40 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:40 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:40 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:42 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:43 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:44 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:45 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:46 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:48 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:49 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:50 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:51 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:57:53 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:54 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:57:56 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:57:59 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:01 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:04 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:06 oh fuck 00:58:07 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:09 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:11 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:14 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:16 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:19 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:22 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:24 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:28 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:29 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:32 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:34 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:35 ignore them people 00:58:36 kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like 00:58:41 kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, 00:58:41 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:42 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:43 and get back to chata 00:58:44 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:45 *chat 00:58:46 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:48 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:50 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:51 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:58:56 lol if you let it keep going it creats a pattern in the chat 00:58:59 Raiku: That was unneccesary 00:59:05 For the record, the person spamming this morning is the same guy who has been spamming me on a few other occasions. These people who have joined in the past 30 minutes or so are just trying to capitalize on his fame (they find it humorous that I am being spammed) 00:59:05 it does, in fact 00:59:12 oh, I see 00:59:20 also, I must give you props, kilimanjaro 00:59:23 they stopped 00:59:24 theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has joined #scheme 00:59:25 you appear to be annoying the right people :) 00:59:27 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:59:31 more like kilimanretard! kilimanjaro, more like kilimanretard! 00:59:32 never mind 00:59:36 kilimanjaro: what's the original nick of the guy stalking you? 00:59:37 wait why doesnt it get killed from flooding? 00:59:45 copumpkin, base3 00:59:48 k[a]tie: its client is buffering or something 00:59:51 irc clients can throttle 00:59:53 what a pain. 00:59:55 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 00:59:56 clients like irssi do clientside buffering to avoid that 01:00:06 ignored libster 01:00:16 If it's quieted, then it will stop talking whatsoever 01:00:24 sorry i will not spam anymore i was doing it but then a freenode staffer told me it as against the rules i didn't know that i'm sorry 01:00:30 ... 01:00:31 wait 01:00:34 ..LOL 01:00:35 you aren't a bot 01:00:37 LOL 01:00:37 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Operation timed out] 01:00:45 ...LOL 01:00:45 guess not 01:00:52 Libster`: do you know whos spamming in the first place? 01:00:56 no 01:01:00 tenary 01:01:00 base3 01:01:02 then why did you join? 01:01:09 Libster` ternary: I suggest both of you read freenode's policy 01:01:11 Libster`: so if it wasn't against the rules, you'd have kept doing it? asshole. 01:01:19 ^ 01:01:20 Policy or no, why think this is something to do? 01:01:23 copumpkin, i didn't know it was wrong until now 01:01:29 i didn't realize what i was diong 01:01:31 Libster`: wow, you must be pretty slow. 01:01:38 yeah 01:01:47 sorry it was a typo 01:01:47 go be slow elsewhere now, please 01:01:56 my cat jumjped on the keyboard like 1000 times 01:01:59 sorry 01:02:00 -!- Libster` [n=Libster@pool-74-103-83-201.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has left #scheme 01:02:02 im gonna go walk around int he dark 01:02:03 -> 01:02:09 sigh :P 01:02:25 I just hope the other guy doesn't start up again :o 01:03:01 In the future, I'd ahve your channel founder add *!*@freenode/staff/* to the access list. 01:03:07 lmao his cat jumped on the keyboard in the same pattern over and over? How interesting. :) 01:03:11 that way we can intervene in these situations :) 01:03:15 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:19 without having to go through a mess :) 01:03:36 -!- masm1 [n=masm@bl10-245-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:03:44 les [i=orphean@unaffiliated/les] has joined #scheme 01:03:54 minion: tell Riastradh "Please add *!*@freenode/staff/* to the access list" 01:03:55 Riastradh: asking nicely won't get you anyhwere without my master's approval 01:04:09 oh drokk it 01:04:23 According to NickServ Riastradh has not authenticated in over 7 years 01:04:32 lol 01:04:40 Although I think I've seen him much much more recently 01:04:49 yeah, he's definitely around regularly 01:05:06 he was registered 7 years ago? 01:05:24 And hasn't put staff on his access list yet? o_o 01:05:30 and seen 0 weeks ago.. so he's around 01:06:11 I think there are a few founders who get a little touchy about that sort of stuff IIRC 01:06:19 Dominian: Does never authenticating with NickServ have no effect on ChanServ registration for the channel? I seem to remember a problem with that once for #handhelds 01:06:37 Maybe it's the 'seen' field that is relevant 01:06:41 No, as long as the nick remains the channel will remain. 01:07:04 OK, maybe what I'm thinking of was an actual nick deregistration 01:07:29 kencausey, that sounds about right, I'm not staff though, I just came in here to see what the heck was going on :o 01:07:30 Yeah if the main nick that registers a channel drops then the channel usually reverts to someone else in the access list or back to the pool so to speak 01:08:12 Also what I'm thinking of was years ago, maybe even pre-Freenode, so policy may have been slightly different then. 01:08:30 aye 01:08:46 the internet is serious business 01:08:54 back to appropriate topics now... ;) 01:10:59 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has left #scheme 01:13:30 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:16:28 Someone really likes kilimanjaro? 01:16:46 r2q2, well, :P that one 01:16:50 but cya 01:16:52 -!- HTT-Bird [n=kb1rd@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has left #scheme 01:17:57 -!- wingo [n=wingo@76.Red-79-156-147.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:20:38 I was sor of being sarcastic. 01:20:52 copumpkin: Are you the same copumpkin on twitter? 01:21:04 -!- GrooveDog [n=GrooveDo@wikimedia/GrooveDog] has left #scheme 01:21:08 r2q2: yep 01:21:08 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-199-60-206.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:21:24 copumpkin: Cool I think i follow you. I'm zitterbewegung there. 01:22:19 cool :) 01:23:55 following back 01:24:38 bokr [n=eduska@95.154.102.124] has joined #scheme 01:26:16 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:28:09 -!- JamesC93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has left #scheme 01:28:30 -!- saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:29:04 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [K-lined] 01:29:44 -!- theoros [n=theoros@unaffiliated/theoros] has left #scheme 01:30:28 elderK [n=zk@125-236-160-147.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:30:31 Hey people, 01:30:39 What's the deal with Windows' scheme implementations? 01:31:14 -!- lament [n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net] has left #scheme 01:32:31 elderK: I'm not sure what you're asking. 01:32:39 Did I miss all the excitement here? 01:33:11 Karincho7849 [n=Lobito@201.77.61.90] has joined #scheme 01:33:13 -!- Karincho7849 [n=Lobito@201.77.61.90] has left #scheme 01:33:15 chandler: distributing ops to a few more people might not be a bad idea. 01:33:35 -!- chandler has set mode +b *!*n=rk@*.wlms-broadband.com 01:33:35 -!- chandler [n=n@opendarwin/developer/chandler] has been kicked from #scheme 01:33:38 Calling on Freenode staff too often is best avoided 01:33:54 Are you volunteering? 01:34:08 Well, I'm willing, but am not really a core channel member 01:34:27 more of an interested bystander 01:34:44 Are you willing to use it only to kick clearly disruptive users? 01:35:00 yes, I have ops elsewhere and am known as cautious 01:36:18 Give op to kilimanjaro... 01:36:36 OK. I clearly don't know how to use ChanServ anymore. 01:36:38 base3 [n=base3@host81-141-232-12.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #scheme 01:36:51 chandler: /msg ChanServ help access 01:36:59 It used to be fairly easy to add new ops, as there were classes of users with defined permissions. Now it seems that each user has their own set of permissions. 01:37:05 This seems like a huge feature regression to me. 01:37:14 -!- k[a]tie is now known as katie11 01:37:25 True, the details are more complicated now, but I don't think you have to delve into them generally 01:37:28 hi there, my friend ternary asked me to come in here and explain something as he said he got banned from this channel earlier 01:37:48 add op should do 01:37:56 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-76.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 01:38:14 base3: Best make it short and clear 01:38:19 base3: Must be a very good friend, since you're both from the same IP! 01:38:51 yes, he's my brother 01:38:55 we live at the same address 01:39:04 we are logged in to the same machine 01:39:36 base3: quite pitiful 01:39:40 I'll accept that for the moment as it really makes no difference to me. Best make your explanation short. 01:39:43 better give him a tug on ears 01:39:49 he's just going to start spamming again 01:39:58 he asked me to tell you that he's going to repeatedly attack and flood this channel, from a range of different usernames and nicks, whenever a certain guy, named kilimanjaro is in here 01:40:16 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 01:40:21 uhuh 01:40:23 base3: would you mind explaining why "he" will do that? 01:40:26 if kili is in here, the channel gets spammed 01:40:33 if kili's not around, nothing 01:40:36 I'm not sure any reason is sufficient 01:40:43 base3: is it cause you're a sad fuck who has nothing better to do than act on a silly grudge? 01:40:43 right kencausey 01:40:46 This is apparently the thing that kids do these days? 01:40:52 I'd suggest you get a job. 01:40:56 In the meantime, *plonk*. 01:41:15 -!- chandler [n=n@opendarwin/developer/chandler] has been kicked from #scheme 01:41:16 -!- chandler has set mode +b *!*@host81-141-242-12.* 01:41:53 I'd just ban host81-141-232-*.wlms-broadband.com 01:42:00 kencausey: Oh. I thought I had the ability to add users as ops to #scheme, but apparently not. 01:42:02 yeah seems a bit potentially broad 01:42:03 but I guess that works too :) doubt there are any others 01:42:16 that's pretty much an ip 01:42:19 a single ip 01:42:47 I've been at this game for quite a long time now, and I know a thing or two about how to construct banmasks. If this gets to be a problem, I'll ban a broader mask. 01:42:48 *xerox* .oO( that hosts a wonderful duo ) 01:42:59 xerox: it's the same dude 01:43:07 chandler: ah yeah, only Riastradh can modify the access lists, something he should distribute around a bit more 01:43:12 In the meantime, best not to ban too many people. 01:43:24 btw, my question was simply relating to what scheme implementations are worthwhile on Windows :) 01:43:42 elderK: PLT Scheme and MIT Scheme. 01:44:02 (This is not an exhaustive list.) 01:44:07 aye. 01:44:19 scheme48 has a windows port. 01:45:01 minion: memo for Riastradh: We seem to have attracted a spammer problem. Would you mind adding kencausey as an additional channel operator, or at your discretion adding the +f flag for me so that I can add additional ops as necessary? 01:45:04 Remembered. I'll tell Riastradh when he/she/it next speaks. 01:45:28 r2q2: it does indeed, I'm just reading up on it's FFI now. 01:45:34 Was kind of hoping Chicken would run happily on Windows. 01:46:17 In my experience schemes generally target posix and windows is an afterthought. 01:46:40 aye 01:46:57 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 01:47:18 kencausey: In the meantime, the best I can do is this: 01:47:20 -!- chandler has set mode +o kencausey 01:47:25 chandler: ok 01:47:46 *kencausey* doesn't really like having ops on at all times but will live with it for now 01:47:53 And here's a programming challenge for anyone who is interested: 01:48:28 Write an IRC bot (in Scheme, of course) that looks for a user who is repeatedly spamming the same message over and over and applies a +q to that user. 01:48:35 Hrm. 01:48:58 This is a programming channel. We should be able to figure these things out! 01:49:20 offby1 might have some fun by adding this to rudybot. 01:49:23 Detecting the 'spamming' reliably is the first trick 01:49:45 randomizing the comments is a pretty common tactic 01:49:51 Might just be me being a moron but, it doesn't sound all that hard. 01:49:54 This (l)user hasn't yet figured that trick out. 01:49:58 elderK: It isn't. 01:50:05 ^_^ Yay. 01:50:20 But I'll need to vet the code before I let it run with +o. 01:50:38 offby1: implement a votekick command for rudybot. 01:55:21 elderK: Gambit runs well on Windows. 01:56:34 darkseed [i=darkseed@host193-123-47-78-dhcp.bshellz.net] has joined #scheme 01:58:17 elderK: So what are you thinking is a reasonable scheme, store the last 3 (or other low count) distinct comments for each user, along with a count, if the count for any exceeds 2 (or other low number) then kick? 01:59:29 I wouldn't make it more restrictive than that, it's not too uncommon for someone to repeat themselves 2 or even 3 times if they get no answer and someone new comes in. 02:00:00 I would say at least five times, and put a timeout on it just to be safe. 02:00:27 yes, although I thought just keeping the last few comments was a sufficient time out policy 02:00:43 karincho7849 [n=Lobito@201.77.61.90] has joined #scheme 02:00:44 even a bot sending the same comment every 10 minutes would be annoying 02:00:58 and saying nothing else I mean 02:01:11 -!- karincho7849 [n=Lobito@201.77.61.90] has left #scheme 02:01:29 but if it says something every 10 minutes 02:01:33 maybe come up with a good measure of boringness 02:01:50 it doesn't get very annoying in the say 20 minutes it takes to kickban them 02:02:11 hamming distance and repetitive message lengths 02:02:31 that's funny because the length of my last two messages was the same 02:02:53 darkseed: Yes, I mean if the timeout is lower than the repeat rate, then it's not kicked at all 02:03:37 there is another option 02:03:47 tell that guy not to come in here 02:03:49 -!- Raiku [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Raiku-Lucifer-Samiyaza] has left #scheme 02:03:53 or to use another nick 02:04:30 Yes, the goal is to not have to scramble for ops when another 'that guy' shows up 02:05:20 no, i mean the guy whose supposed to be the 'target' 02:05:29 Of course a bot solution requires that the bot have ops and therefore security is even more important 02:05:41 darkseed: Huh? Why blame the target? 02:05:51 i'm not saying we blame him 02:05:56 That's just giving in to the threats 02:06:07 or that we force him tonot to come in here 02:06:15 but we could *ask* him not to 02:06:20 he might understand 02:06:24 I'd rather avoid that scenerio 02:06:27 err scenario 02:06:32 if the same guy's been doing this to him all over the place 02:06:57 Also, that doesn't cover all that many cases, trolls don't always target individuals, not clearly anyway 02:07:58 Or say, someone is using a nick someone else wants, do we support them trolling to kick someone else off that nick so they can use it? No, I don't think so. 02:08:23 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:09:46 yay 02:10:07 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has left #scheme 02:10:46 :) 02:11:22 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:22 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:22 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:22 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:22 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:24 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:26 anyone who stands by kilimanjaro is now a target. this means you. 02:11:27 kencausey: 02:11:27 -!- chandler has set mode +b %darkseed!*@* 02:11:35 kilimanjaro: So, uh, what's this all about? 02:11:52 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 02:12:03 ??????????? 02:12:11 some sad bastard 02:12:15 Yea why does someone really <3 you kilimanjaro ? 02:12:56 -!- elderK [n=zk@125-236-160-147.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:13:25 chandler, I'm an operator in #math and #not-math, and base3/ternary/darkseed is a known troll so I ban him on sight. Now he is just bored I guess 02:13:41 Gotcha. 02:13:58 The other people who came in here earlier (Libster, lament) just thought it would be "hilarious" to disrupt this channel with more of that 02:14:02 I thought I saw him in some other place. I think I even helped the guy with some question, weird. 02:14:12 oh 02:14:50 xerox, he's a graduate math student, and is capable of helping people. But he also enjoys trolling. Before me it was another operator, who eventually just gave up after getting tired of dealing with base3 02:15:19 kilimanjaro: Basically mostly harmless? 02:15:21 Amusingly enough, he's still here. 02:15:55 kilimanjaro: this makes for a saddest story 02:16:23 the fact that he's not 14 makes me really sad 02:16:36 r2q2, ascii art goatse doesn't really bother me, so yes, I'd say he's mostly harmless 02:17:23 In the case of #slate the founder has been registered for years 02:17:33 oops wrong channel 02:17:37 Brian Rice? 02:17:39 Heh. 02:17:53 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-gsbxegintflqaxmb] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:18:07 yes, I'm talking about him ;) 02:18:11 With his permission 02:18:20 Ah. 02:18:23 In #freenode 02:18:27 Haven't talked to him in a month of sundays. 02:21:29 GII is in ZPP does that mean its in BQP also? 02:21:48 What? 02:22:21 Wait maybe its not in ZPP. 02:22:27 What? 02:22:43 The graph isomorphism problem what complexity class is it in? 02:23:26 Oh. This is well out of my field. 02:27:23 Probably just have to surf around the complexity zoo. 02:28:31 It's an NP problem, iirc 02:28:50 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:29:01 OK 02:30:55 oh, I was wrong, sorry, it's a bit more complicated 02:31:04 http://mathworld.wolfram.com/IsomorphicGraphs.html 02:39:14 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 02:41:58 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:23 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [No route to host] 03:08:28 I doubt y'all want to vest rudybot with special powers; they're likely to go to his head 03:16:56 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-76.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:18:04 rudybot: votekick: offby1 03:18:04 mejja: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 03:18:07 *mejja* laughs 03:29:04 foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-26-181.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 03:46:16 mbishop [n=mbishop@geeks.im] has joined #scheme 03:49:15 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 03:52:26 synthcode.com is back up 03:52:54 took me a while to remember the right command-line options to launch my installed configuration :/ 03:58:46 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:59:16 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 04:09:10 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176223241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:19 tjafk [n=timj@e176212024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:12:36 arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-239-114.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 04:12:44 Riastradh, are you available for a few questions about skip lists? 04:13:11 given that he's not in the channel, I'd guess no 04:13:14 :) 04:13:21 Oh!!!! 04:13:24 :-o 04:13:36 I totally thought I auto-completed that.... 04:13:56 Skips out on me right when I need skippy answers about skip lists! 04:25:55 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:36:43 saint_cypher_ [n=saint_cy@h-67-101-221-91.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #scheme 04:37:05 sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-74-227.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:43:06 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 04:46:09 Riastradh: do you know what the difference between open and access is in the scheme48 module language? 04:47:06 OPEN makes the bindings of the listed structures' interfaces available in the package's environment. ACCESS makes bindings for the listed structure names available in the package's environment; these names are useful only as the first operand to STRUCTURE-REF from the STRUCTURE-REFS structure. 04:47:06 Riastradh, memo from chandler: We seem to have attracted a spammer problem. Would you mind adding kencausey as an additional channel operator, or at your discretion adding the +f flag for me so that I can add additional ops as necessary? 04:47:17 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:47:39 ok, that's what I thought, thanks 04:48:39 Since the introduction of modified interfaces, ACCESS has been basically obsolete. It can be used to ensure that a structure be loaded before some package without polluting that package's environment too badly, but that's all it's useful for now. 04:52:34 Riastradh: RE: My email to you just now, I appear to have located the problem. There was a line (903) where the code read '(node-datum node)' instead of '(node-datum node*).' 04:52:47 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-78-35-192-155.netcologne.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:53:22 Yes, I just sent you an email with that patch a few minutes ago. 04:53:34 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 04:53:57 So I didn't introduce this accidently? That's good news. 04:54:07 Ah, I haven't seen my email again since then. 04:56:36 -!- les [i=orphean@unaffiliated/les] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:57:10 Riastradh: one more thing, if there are multiple access or for-syntax clauses in one structure definition, what does that mean? Is it just the union of those accesses, etc? 04:57:11 So who would like to volunteer to deal with channel spammers when none of the ops is about? 04:57:32 roderic, yes. 04:57:47 Riastradh: may I suggest that you also add freenode staff to the access list so that if no official ops are around, the staff can come help out? 04:58:03 Riastradh: also, Duncan wants to know if you're back in Boston, and if you want to have lunch. 04:58:07 thanks 05:02:14 minion: memo for Daemmerung: The syntax is `minion: memo for : '. 05:02:15 Remembered. I'll tell Daemmerung when he/she/it next speaks. 05:02:28 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 05:02:33 Riastradh: I probably wouldn't mind taking up the duty, but I don't know if I am around enough to count. 05:03:03 And I have missed these spammers. 05:03:42 All you need to be able to do to fulfill the duty is to operate a keyboard well enough to type `/msg ChanServ op #scheme' and `/mode #scheme +b ', where is a glob of the form !@ that the offending user matches. 05:04:30 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:05:35 Heheh...sure. 05:07:53 So, perhaps someone can help out with an algorithm problem I am having. 05:08:06 -!- kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:08:40 I'm trying to write a transformer of sorts that allows me to "group" or extend edit operations obtained from a tree-diff. 05:08:50 I am at an almost total loss as to a proper way to do this. 05:09:23 copumpkin: don't freenode staff have automatic op rights to any channel when desired? 05:09:39 kencausey: they do, but prefer not to use it unless absolutely essential 05:09:40 Apparently not, kencausey, or else they wouldn't have recommended that earlier. 05:09:49 and violation of channel rules often doesn't count as essential 05:10:04 As an example, say that I have '(a (b (c d) (e f)) rest) as one tree. 05:10:05 Riastradh: Ah, I hadn't noticed the recommendation from freenode staff. 05:10:26 Say I then have as another tree '(a (b (c d) (e g)). 05:10:47 Riastradh: I'll volunteer 05:10:57 The edit script for this might be ((f . g)) indicating that the f node was substituted by the g node. 05:11:12 We can uniquely identify each node in these trees, so the symbols are just convenience here. 05:11:33 What about REST, arcfide? 05:11:40 Ack... 05:11:49 Sorry, the other tree should have a 'rest there. 05:11:58 '(a (b (c d) (e g)) rest). 05:12:20 -!- kencausey has set mode -o kencausey 05:13:20 Now, according to our rules, if all the children of a parent are "operated on" or have been merged into a pattern (which is basically an edit operation that can be more than one node operation. 05:13:45 All I know about tree diffs is that they sound hard. 05:14:05 Eherm...continuing, if all the children are patterns then the parent is merged into that same pattern. 05:14:27 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:14:33 So, the end result that I want is a list (#[var (e f) (e g)]) where the parent e in the tree has been merged into the edit operation. 05:15:24 We have a few more rules like this, such as how to eliminate insertion operations by surrounding them with non-operated elements and turning it into a larger substitution operation, but the basic problem is that I have no idea how to approach this. 05:15:40 Riastradh: The "hard" part of actually diffing the tree is done already, giving us the edit script. 05:15:50 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-311358.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 05:16:24 I'm basically trying to find siblings and operations that are "touching" so that I can collapse them into one or expand the operation out as necessary. 05:17:03 I thought that I would need to walk through the two input trees simultaneously, and start collecting/merging as I went, but I can't seem to figure it out. I get brain blocked after the simple base cases. 05:18:16 Riastradh: Oh, and yes, tree diffing is hard. I think there's some relation in that area to NP completeness or NP Hardness, but the algorithm and problem we are doing uses a roughly O(N^4) algorithm to get the tree diff. 05:19:00 That part was surprisingly easy. 05:19:14 Since the algorithm was a nice dynamic programming thingie that was already written out for us. ;-) 05:19:26 This, I don't have anything to cheat from. 05:22:41 If I could even formulate this as a declaration of rewrites or the like, I could at least use logic programming to do it in a fairly straightforward way, but...*sigh*. 05:38:42 -!- bearded_oneder [n=bearded_@cpe-071-071-195-211.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 05:45:59 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-199-60-206.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:46:16 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-199-60-206.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:01:08 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:06:08 gosh, I go to a party and miss all the intrigue 06:06:46 Mary Jane went upstairs with Henry 06:07:17 Riastradh: I volunteer 06:08:02 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:08:28 Intrigue, zbigniew? 06:08:40 intrigue! 06:08:58 Bingtrigue? 06:09:03 :O 06:09:09 that sounds... well, Microsoftish 06:09:16 speaking of which, I am interviewing there in a couple of days! 06:10:42 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:12:00 Basically, I now have a mental image of kilimanjaro as the Lorenzo Lamas from the 1990s TV show Renegade. 06:19:47 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:21:15 for some reason, listening to Delerium makes me feel like hacking 06:21:36 which songs? 06:21:42 currently Eternal Odyssey 06:21:56 admittedly I am also in a darkened machine room, which may be related :) 06:23:16 Is this a joke? 06:24:53 eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-240.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:24:57 I certainly hope it's not serious, but I'm not having much luck trying to figure out how it's funny. 06:26:22 Yay, Scheme keeps getting uglier every day! 06:28:00 I mean...what? 06:28:04 Words fail me. 06:28:27 Yakka foob mog; grub pubbawup, zink wattoom gazork. Chumble spuzz. 06:28:59 Excuse me, `grug pubbawup'. 06:30:24 *copumpkin* coughs 06:35:10 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:43:20 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 06:50:37 xerox [n=xerox@151.61.161.138] has joined #scheme 06:53:56 Riastradh: Maybe all this influx of strange attempts to alter unnecessary things for the sake of change indicates an increase in Scheme's popularity, marking a move towards mainstream uselessness. 06:54:25 you should avoid success at all costs 06:55:34 Note that Derick Eddington is an anagram of Joo ChurlSoo 06:57:14 Well, he's just trying to deal with the practical issues of maintaining portable R6RS code, which R6RS somehow failed to provide solutions for. 06:57:46 *arcfide* shrugs. 06:57:48 Time for bed now. 06:57:55 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-239-114.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit ["Zzzzzz."] 07:13:48 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:19:53 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:22:24 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 07:23:49 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:35:15 -!- untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 07:45:11 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 07:52:46 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit ["leaving"] 07:57:07 -!- TR2N [i=email@89.180.191.32] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:19:25 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 08:26:12 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:26:30 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 08:54:21 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 09:00:03 elderK [n=zk@125-236-160-147.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 09:00:12 Hey, many here have experience with MIT/GNU Scheme? 09:00:21 :) A few questions I can't find answered in the manual. 09:04:15 copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:13:13 elderK: Riastradh and mejja are the two mitscheme heads here that I know. They'll be back soon enough. 09:13:13 Daemmerung, memo from Riastradh: The syntax is `minion: memo for : '. 09:13:41 Right kind of you, minion. 09:17:44 Cheers, Daemmerung. 09:20:04 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 09:23:09 -!- lolcow [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:29:07 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057157.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 09:32:36 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 09:34:59 xwl [n=user@123.115.98.67] has joined #scheme 09:35:49 -!- saint_cypher_ [n=saint_cy@h-67-101-221-91.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:50:15 swathanthran [n=user@unaffiliated/shyam-k/x-8459115] has joined #scheme 10:03:12 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 10:08:12 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 10:11:34 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:18:29 -!- copumpkin 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[n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 16:09:29 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 16:10:15 davazp` [n=user@183.Red-88-1-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:10:23 -!- davazp [n=user@183.Red-88-1-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:11:23 -!- davazp` is now known as davazp 16:12:09 In English we say you are missing the point 16:12:29 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-154-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:12:29 -!- eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-240.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:12:29 -!- incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:12:30 dzhus89 [n=sphinx@93-81-154-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 16:12:54 Nah... I'm looking for something more specific. It's the act of mistaking the pointer for the value stored at the referenced address. 16:13:16 No, sir, I just said that you are missing the point. 16:14:25 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.234.244] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:15:16 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:16:13 eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-240.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:16:13 incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:16:14 -!- eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-240.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Success] 16:20:08 Wikipedia leads me to "Map-Territory relation," "Use-Mention Distinction" and "Fallacy of misplaced concreteness." 16:20:32 All missing the point, as mentioned. 16:20:33 Each of which is close, but in some significant way, not quite what I am trying to name. 16:20:50 Anyway, that's three times. I'd better stop. 16:20:59 And what exactly is that point? 16:22:16 rstandy`` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-120-152.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 16:22:16 Is that which has no has no part. 16:22:28 s/has no// 16:24:38 How come that all this "functional programming" folks doesn't understand that parameters can be evaluated in parallel?? 16:24:45 -!- yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:24:45 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057157.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:24:45 -!- qebab [i=finnrobi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:24:45 -!- rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-120-152.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:24:45 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 16:24:53 swathanthran [n=user@117.204.87.46] has joined #scheme 16:24:54 *ASau`* is annoyed by yet another parallel make breakage. 16:25:29 qebab [i=finnrobi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 16:25:46 It is really strange to see that the most problematic 16:25:47 software that relies on evaluation order subtleties is 16:26:10 either function programming language interpreters and compilers 16:26:24 or high-performance parallel software like MPICH or OpenMPI. 16:27:45 yosafbridge [n=yosafbri@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 16:27:52 Is there any other software that relies on evaluation order subtleties? :) 16:28:10 Sure. 16:28:32 But they never promised nor assumed their superiority. 16:28:36 in that respect. 16:29:20 developernotes [n=user@173-25-132-193.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 16:30:30 I am trying to run scheme within emacs on Windows and when I execute M-x run-scheme within emacs I get the following error: 16:30:40 --------------------------- 16:30:40 MIT/GNU Scheme terminating 16:30:40 --------------------------- 16:30:43 scheme: can't find a readable default for option --band. 16:30:47 searched for file all.com in these directories: 16:30:50 \scheme\lib 16:30:53 Reason for termination: 16:30:56 Inconsistency detected 16:31:09 Not sure if this is the best channel for this, but I thought I'd see if anyone had seen this type of issue before? 16:32:05 Any thoughts? 16:33:25 What is the value of scheme-program-name in Emacs? 16:33:26 Is all.com actually in \scheme\lib and does mit-scheme know where to find \scheme\lib? 16:34:10 masm: The value is just "scheme" 16:34:44 That is right. 16:34:57 Don't know what the problem is,sorry. 16:35:08 This looks like classic RPATH problem. 16:35:20 try mit-scheme 16:35:48 nutmegmagi: Yes, that is where it's located, do you know how I can tell emacs where to find that? Do I have to modify scheme-program-name and include that? 16:36:22 ASau`: What is the RPATH problem, I'm not familiar with that? 16:36:28 It's controlled by an environment variable. ASau's probably right in saying that it's RPATH, but look it up in the manual. 16:36:54 nutmegmagi: RPATH in emacs or scheme? 16:36:59 in scheme of course. 16:37:07 ASau`: ok 16:37:56 Not having the specifics in front of me, RPATH is an environement variable that tells the scheme program where to find something, hopefully \scheme\lib. ASau sounds like he knows more of the specifics. 16:38:49 I mean that it looks like it has wrong embedded path and thus fails in run time. 16:39:06 Since you mention "\", you're using NT. 16:39:29 Thus following questions arise: 16:39:45 how is your MIT Scheme built? MinGW? Cygwin? Native? 16:39:52 I noticed that the scheme link under Program Files within Windows itself has the following path: 16:39:55 "C:\Program Files\MIT-GNU Scheme\bin\scheme.exe" --library "C:\Program Files\MIT-GNU Scheme\lib" --edit 16:40:03 what's your current drive? 16:40:04 borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 16:40:04 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057157.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:40:18 So it's just telling scheme where to find the lib directory 16:40:27 Is library there? 16:40:45 There is the all.com file, is that what you mean? 16:40:54 Yes. 16:40:59 Is the file there? 16:41:06 ASau`: Yes, and a bunch of other files/folders. 16:41:32 But "scheme" looks it in "\scheme\lib" rather. 16:41:38 So I presume that I just need to figure out how I can tell emacs about this path when I try to run M-x run-scheme 16:41:54 ASau`: by default you mean? 16:41:54 Try symlinking it. 16:42:15 No, it is what the diag. messages tells you. 16:42:19 Is \scheme\ where the bin is for you? 16:42:39 I don't have MIT Scheme at all, it isn't portable enough. 16:42:45 :) 16:43:10 ASau`: hah! 16:43:18 cc? 16:43:41 ?? 16:43:55 Do you know how to symlink directories there? 16:43:56 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 16:44:06 ASau`: I was just wondering what you consider more portable, the C language? 16:44:24 ASau`: Yes, I can try to use junction on Windows, it's like ln -s. 16:44:31 I use Chicken for production, if you care. 16:44:45 ASau`: I'm not familiar with Chicken. 16:44:51 annodomini [n=lambda@pool-141-154-229-166.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:44:52 Then symlink directories so that \scheme\lib points to that ...\lib. 16:45:13 ln -s "C:\Program Files\MIT-GNU Scheme" "\scheme" 16:45:19 smth like that. 16:45:25 Then retry. 16:45:48 If it works, send-pr on that issue. :) 16:45:52 ASau`: will try it, thanks 16:45:55 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:50:59 Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:52:15 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-228-48-133.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:53:25 ASau`, often, programming language implementations have more complicated build structures than just `compile a collection of C source files and then link the resulting object files into an executable/library', and `make', being such an obtuse programming language itself, is not the easiest one in which to describe these build structures. 16:54:05 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 16:54:18 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 16:54:41 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:56:25 developernotes, you can't use xscheme.el on Windows (it uses signals, which Windows doesn't have, I understand), but if you're just using cmuscheme.el (i.e. the built-in `run-scheme' command, without loading anything separate), you can perhaps set the environment variable MITSCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH to be the path you found earlier by evaluating the elisp code, for instance with `M-:', (setenv "MITSCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH" "C:\\Program Files\\MIT-GNU Schem 16:56:40 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:57:34 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:57:38 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 16:58:01 ASau`, what's not portable enough about MIT Scheme? Last I tried it ran on {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Solaris, Mac OS X, and various GNU/Linuces. 16:58:05 Riastradh: Does quack function well under windows? 16:58:34 nutmegmagi, as far as I know, Quack is a collection of Emacs utilities that just invokes cmuscheme, and doesn't actually do any interaction with the subprocess itself; i.e., it is a red herring. 16:58:35 Riastradh: it required bootstrap stage last time I checked it. 16:58:43 ASau`, yes, just like GCC. Is GCC portable enough? 16:59:23 ASau`, note that if you have a C compiler, you can build the distribution with the C back end without needing an existing Scheme installation. 16:59:28 Well... It is already there :) 16:59:44 I won't consider either ortable enough until they run on my vic 20 and timex sinclair. :-P 16:59:48 Or, you can just build the C part of MIT Scheme, and then install the compiled Scheme code. 17:00:10 Alright, we'll see. 17:00:26 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:00:29 davazp` [n=user@1.Red-83-46-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:00:51 I have pkgsrc descriptions for Scheme with the C back end and with the i386 back end, by the way. 17:01:40 If you provide C back end, it would be nice. 17:02:17 Hmm. I think they may be on machines not presently accessible, though. Let me see. 17:02:33 But in any case, see . 17:02:36 No haste. 17:05:14 *ASau`* loves bootstrapping stuff very much. 17:05:27 It produces large amounts of entropy when burns cpu cycles. 17:07:14 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:08:51 Accolade [n=acc@dslb-084-058-133-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 17:09:55 Riastradh: As for parallel make, all those folks could've written replacement for it already. ;) 17:10:20 Riastradh: given their love to self-bootstrapping systems. 17:10:38 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 17:11:47 ASau`, aha, I already had it up on the web: . 17:14:25 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 17:14:33 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:37 dpro [n=user@chello084114186111.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 17:14:41 hi 17:14:52 Riastradh: why do you definee pre-configure? 17:14:58 Riastradh: I just tried performing a setq with MITSCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH but I still get the same error. 17:15:06 Riastradh: is BUILD_TARGET not enough? 17:15:21 Ah... 17:15:22 developernotes, I didn't say to set an elisp variable; I said set to set an environment variable, and gave you an expression to do that. 17:15:23 I see. 17:16:09 ASau`, officially, you're just supposed to run `sh etc/make-liarc.sh $CONFIGURE_ARGS' to configure and build everything. 17:16:13 Riastradh: Ah, gotcha, setenv within emacs will do the same, correct? 17:16:22 -!- davazp [n=user@183.Red-88-1-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:16:32 developernotes, yes, just evaluate the expression I gave you. 17:16:50 Riastradh: Yep, just did it, same error. 17:17:02 developernotes: btw, which version of mit scheme are you using? 17:17:27 developernotes, what happens if you run `C-u M-x run-scheme RET', and then enter the command line you saw in the link file or whatever it was? 17:17:31 Riastradh: I wonder why you couldn't get patches into upstream distribution... 17:17:43 Riastradh: 7.7.90 is displayed in the window when I launch it directly in Windows. 17:17:45 ASau`, because there hasn't been a snapshot released since 20090107. 17:17:58 Hm? 17:18:29 sorry - pretty noobish question, I have a variable test, now (eval (string->symbol "test")) works as expected but why doesn't (set! (string->symbol "test") 123) ? what is it I'm not getting ? (that's plt) 17:18:47 you can only set variables, not symbols 17:18:51 dpro, EVAL doesn't make sense with a single argument; its behaviour is basically completely random. 17:19:09 Riastradh: but eval works, I actually need the set! 17:19:09 Riastradh: It prompts me for the scheme name (presumably scheme-program-name which is just "scheme" for me) and then I hit return and get the same errr. 17:19:10 dpro, the second argument gives EVAL the environment data structure that you want it to use to map symbols to their bindings. 17:19:28 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:19:31 developernotes, yes: delete `scheme', and enter the command line you saw in the link file in its place. 17:19:36 Riastradh: this part is beyond understanding, why couldn't they provide default value for env. parameter. 17:19:46 dpro, whats your original code? you need to set! a variable 17:19:58 Riastradh: I have the vars name as a string and I want to set the so-named variable to a certain value 17:19:59 dpro: unlike some versions of lisp, scheme symbols do not identify variables. 17:20:08 dpro, the environment of your meta-program, which calls EVAL, does not necessarily even exist by the time your program is run. 17:20:16 -!- sleepydog [n=david@136.244.235.163] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:20:31 nutmegmagi: so how would one go about doing something like this ? 17:20:34 dpro, but sometimes, it might accidentally continue to exist, and it might accidentally be the default value for the second argument of EVAL. However, when you later run your program in a different context, you might get a different default argument. 17:20:54 That difference was something that really threw me off when I first started using scheme. 17:20:54 dpro, let's step back for a moment from this problem. What is the problem of which this problem is a subproblem? 17:21:39 sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-131-106.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:21:43 Riastradh: I have (define foo 123) and I have '("foo" 321) now I want foo -> 321 17:22:02 That is, why do you want to set a variable that you didn't know the name of when you wrote the meta-program, and which you want Scheme to find based on a name that the object-program computes (which might not even be possible if, as I said, your meta-program's environment ceases to exist by the time the program is run)? 17:22:23 dpro: scheme takes a whole different tac on metaprogramming. 17:22:37 Riastradh: Ok, when I have it run "C:/Program Files/MIT-GNU Scheme/bin/scheme.exe" --library "C:/Program Files/MIT-GNU Scheme/lib", it actually launches another window, outside of emacs. Is there a way to get it to not do that? 17:23:04 Riastradh: That was from C-u M-x run-scheme. 17:23:27 Riastradh: I receive opensoundcontrol messages and want to set variables (I know them) I just try to avoid a huge cond or lot's of (when (osc-message "/lala") (set! /lala (osc 0))) 17:23:29 dpro, go back another step further. Why do you want to set the variable FOO? Is your program maintaining a data structure mapping keys, which are symbols, to data? In that case, use a simple data structure such as an alist or a hash table. 17:24:14 raistradh: you're so right maybe I should actually use a hashtable, that would be the smart way of doing that 17:25:01 developernotes, perhaps under Windows there isn't any way just to get a console REPL -- I have never used MIT Scheme under Windows, so I don't know. At this point, you should probably ask the mailing list. 17:25:07 Riastradh: So for example, when I am on OSX, with the same MIT scheme install, scheme just runs within emacs as another buffer, I'd like to be able to do that on the Windows side. 17:25:23 Riastradh: ok, the scheme mailing list? 17:25:31 mit-scheme-users@gnu.org 17:25:41 Riastradh: Thank you, much appreciated. 17:27:58 riastradh: but out of curiousity - is how can I set a variable of which i have the name as a string ? 17:30:31 dpro, as I've told you: you can't. The names of variables don't necessarily exist by the time you run your program. 17:31:12 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-74-227.netcologne.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:31:24 dpro, for example, a Scheme compiler might compile (lambda (x y) y) into (lambda 2 (: 0 1)), where (lambda 2 ...) means that the procedure has two parameters, and (: 0 1) means a reference to the argument 0 lambdas up and 1 argument over. No names are left, but the meaning of the program is preserved. 17:31:51 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult 17:32:11 davazp`` [n=user@1.Red-83-46-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:32:41 Riastradh: ok, thanks anyway the hashtable is the good way to go *facepalm* 17:32:49 back to work 17:32:51 -!- dpro [n=user@chello084114186111.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 17:34:22 snearch [n=olaf@e179141137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 17:38:01 -!- developernotes [n=user@173-25-132-193.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:38:38 -!- Algorithmist [n=Algorith@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:42:27 HG` [n=HG@xdsleu021.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 17:49:14 -!- davazp` [n=user@1.Red-83-46-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:53:35 albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #scheme 17:59:20 there used to be a sort of impressive AI bot in here, what happened to her? 17:59:37 sarahbot? 17:59:39 Dunno. 17:59:41 She became too intelligent to hang around with us. 18:04:36 leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 18:06:09 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 18:07:03 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 18:07:07 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:08 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdsleu021.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:55 -!- Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-43-82-249-183-197.adsl.proxad.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 18:09:28 Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-43-82-249-183-197.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:11:12 snorble [n=none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 18:12:37 *rudybot* belches 18:12:51 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 18:13:22 rudybot: how's the weather in Atlanta? 18:13:23 Riastradh: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 18:13:50 incubot: so much for impressive 18:13:54 BTW, I looked at the Python search thing, looks much less impressive than my hack. 18:13:59 rudybot: how's the weather in Atlanta? 18:14:00 Riastradh: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 18:14:02 ...er. 18:14:04 incubot: how's the weather in Atlanta? 18:14:07 she's not very talkative about the weather conditions, it seems 18:15:28 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:17:52 -!- davazp`` [n=user@1.Red-83-46-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:19:47 -!- Lis [n=Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 18:24:01 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:24:04 lolcow [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 18:28:48 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 18:35:34 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:36:05 -!- dzhus89 [n=sphinx@93-81-154-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:36:31 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:44:01 -!- Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-43-82-249-183-197.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44:21 -!- katie11 is now known as katie|afk 18:44:26 Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-35-82-250-199-239.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:54:31 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-162.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:54:43 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-162.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 18:58:03 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-131-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:59:05 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-131-106.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:09:08 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 19:09:30 rgrau [n=user@228.Red-88-17-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:12:52 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:17:10 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 19:17:20 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:11 Anyone know if PLT has a lightweight process model and if so a brief characterization? 19:18:35 PLT is just so darned big to figure it all out :-) 19:19:24 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!"] 19:19:40 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 19:19:41 Summermute: 19:20:44 If it helps, my goal is to model a language of generators, filters and sinks. Each strictly has a signature, allowing for rapid substitution of conforming components. The execution model records basic calendar time, cpu time, working set, i/o stats 19:21:06 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:21:52 In principle, from a signature level "piping" model "program", there can be an automated search of conforming components and an automated determination of an optimal component configuration 19:22:45 Riastradh: The mention of threads makes me out a bit, but the Channels/Semaphores makes me hopeful :-) 19:23:01 "out a bit" ->> "ouch a bit" 19:23:18 I suspect you are assigning too much significance to the word `thread'. 19:23:52 Are these machine threads (optimally N = #CPUs + C) or Erlangish lightweight threads? 19:24:31 Riastradh: you're right, but I'll claim it's not my fault given the overloaded term 19:25:20 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 19:25:29 If you read Section 10.1 `Threads', and follow the link in the second word, `See _Threads_ for basic information on the PLT Scheme thread model', what does it say? 19:25:49 will do 19:27:26 Just seeking comments: the past failure of "component" libraries might be rectified by a functional model where all "components" have 1 tuple inputs and 1 tuple outputs plus parametric polymorphism. This greatly simplifies interfaces, potentially clearing the field for meaningful libraries of components conforming to signature specifications. Any thoughts? 19:28:59 Also, using a process model where appropriate for inversion of control allows for a tiny set of operators (like 3) for component assembly. Good bye API :-) 19:30:20 Riastradh: Reading 10.1 - How do you manage to pack so much Scheme wisdom into your mind? 19:31:04 ? 19:32:30 2nd (prosaic) problem: Drscheme's syntax highlighting seems odd to me. Anything beginning in "def" is highlighted as a keyword, cond is too, but not simple old "f" - Is there are way to customize keyword highlight? So far Quack/Emacs seems to do a better job, which surprises me. 19:32:49 I'm sure there is some way to configure the highlighting. 19:32:56 It might even be documented. 19:32:58 whoops - "if" 19:33:34 rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 19:33:36 I looked in the docs in the obvious places some days ago, and nothing leaped out at me 19:33:55 Did you try looking through the preferences? 19:34:05 Yes 19:35:18 My only hypothesis is the 2nd pane on indentation has some kind of effect on keyword highlighting that is not made explicit, because I don't believe that "if" appears in that 3 pane indentation panel. 19:37:07 I suppose I an send this question to the mail list, but finding the response, well, it can take 1 hour + to wade through a day's mailing list missives on that now quite voluminous mailing list. 19:38:20 I guess I should finally figure out the search feature in my mail client - ha ha :-) 19:39:15 You might try using gmane and a NNTP client. 19:39:52 chandler, in case you didn't notice: I made several additions to the channel's access list last night. 19:39:53 Does anyone have a brief explanation on how the 10.* docs on PLT threads relate to the recent announcement on a "futures" feature ? 19:40:22 "channels access list" - what does this mean? 19:40:56 Yes, it enables you to buy and sell futures on commodities, rather than the commodities themselves. I'm sure that the poor chap whose story is chronicled at was glad to upgrade his PLT to a version that supports this new feature. 19:41:17 Riastradh: Thanks; that all seems sensible to me. 19:41:19 -!- chandler has set mode -o chandler 19:41:32 Riastradh: ;-) 19:42:53 Riastradh: Back to mods to "channels access list" - what is the meaning and import of this? 19:43:42 Summermute: If you don't know, it doesn't matter. 19:44:14 Nothing Scheme-related, Summermute. 19:44:18 chandler: that make me feel so small and "outside" the crowd in the know :-) 19:45:12 Ok. I'll take your word for it. I am confident I'm in good hands here and on PLT communications channels :-) 19:45:58 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:50:55 copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:54 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!"] 19:53:53 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:53:58 Summermute: /msg ChanServ help and /msg ChanServ help access 19:55:13 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:05:39 is there any way to do 'block comments' in scheme? plt scheme at least? 20:06:02 besides putting a ; at the start of each line? 20:06:13 #| |# 20:06:14 #| comment |# 20:06:18 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 20:06:23 oh that's very nice thank you :) 20:06:43 You can also comment expressions with #; 20:06:47 franki^ [n=franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #scheme 20:07:14 Editor support for block comments is usually very weak, though. 20:07:28 It is generally safer just to use `M-x comment-region' and `M-x uncomment-region'. 20:07:30 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 20:07:53 -!- swathanthran [n=user@unaffiliated/shyam-k/x-8459115] has quit ["ki "] 20:07:55 (and less confusing if you happen to look at a pageful of comment with neither the opening nor closing delimiters on the page) 20:08:13 swathanthran [n=user@117.204.87.46] has joined #scheme 20:09:55 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 20:11:14 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 20:11:31 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 20:11:37 Riastradh: a good point. 20:11:48 Riastradh: im not using emacs though. I'm using dr scheme. 20:12:09 Well, that can be fixed too... 20:12:22 ;) 20:13:26 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:17:29 eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-165-81.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:23:05 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has quit ["leaving"] 20:26:25 choas [n=lars@p5B0DCB21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:26:45 visof [n=visof@41.238.234.244] has joined #scheme 20:28:22 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:31:42 -!- rstandy`` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-120-152.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:37:21 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:46:15 -!- DerGuteMoritz [n=syn@85.88.17.198] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:49:25 -!- swathanthran [n=user@unaffiliated/shyam-k/x-8459115] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:50:03 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 20:51:02 -!- eno_ is now known as eno 20:54:48 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:54:51 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:00:46 -!- visof [n=visof@41.238.234.244] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:02:10 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 21:11:39 -!- katie|afk is now known as katie11 21:21:07 -!- Accolade [n=acc@dslb-084-058-133-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #scheme 21:26:55 TR2N [i=email@89-180-207-164.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 21:28:40 drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:45 -!- drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:01 drwho [n=d@c-98-225-208-183.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:30:50 ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 21:42:54 -!- snearch [n=olaf@e179141137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:45:57 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:47:23 -!- ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:50:09 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 21:50:44 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:51:55 kilimanjaro, so, how're your secret admirers doing? 21:52:30 Riastradh, still frustrated and doing their best to cope, it seems. 21:53:49 Hopefully it doesn't spill over too much into this channel 21:55:09 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit ["Leaving..."] 21:55:42 It occurs to me that the obvious approach to dealing with them here is not so much to grant ops to more random people (although that's a good idea anyway), but to enable you to boot your secret admirers out, since it is your presence that triggers them. 21:56:06 But first you would have to swear an oaf of paraplegiance, and learn the secret handshake. 21:56:10 Would you be up for that? 21:57:31 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:57:50 schmir [n=schmir@p54A93FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:57:51 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-131-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:58:02 Is the handshake complicated? Does it involve racial stereotypes? 21:58:41 But yes, I'm fine with that. It seems reasonable to me, considering the moment the channel gets spammed my client begins flashing 21:58:50 Well...you're not a goy, right? And you know how to operate a bagel? (When to apply cream cheese, when to apply butter, &c.) If so, you'll be OK. 21:59:07 And that's basically the reason he is spamming here and not #math or #not-math, since he will just be immediately squelched there 21:59:55 OK, done. 22:00:15 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-131-106.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:00:24 Thanks 22:01:45 CESSMASTER [n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely] has joined #scheme 22:01:55 help i dont understand macros??? 22:01:56 So do I refer to you as "my liege"? "Sire"? 22:02:13 CESSMASTER, you know I can ban you now 22:02:28 Make an example of him! 22:02:46 kilimanjaro: presumably 22:04:12 thermoplyae [n=ecpeters@c-98-228-49-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:04:22 CESSMASTER: Help is here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/scheme/gauche/define-syntax-primer.txt 22:06:57 -!- CESSMASTER [n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely] has left #scheme 22:07:01 chandler: correct link is: http://eval.apply.googlepages.com/eccentric.txt 22:07:55 -!- thermoplyae [n=ecpeters@c-98-228-49-203.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #scheme 22:09:12 mejja: It's too bad that this does not come up first in Google! 22:11:06 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:13:39 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 22:15:34 jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:16:28 I'm having a hard time to get runhaskell to recognize the EOF character when I type ctrl+d 22:16:49 Hmm...are you sure you spelled `#haskell' right, jmegner? 22:16:56 dang it 22:16:58 thanks 22:18:00 -!- jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:24:18 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 22:34:23 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 22:35:34 MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:36:35 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 22:38:21 annodomini [n=lambda@pool-141-154-229-166.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:38:39 Is there a way a procedure can create new variable bindings in the outer environment where it was called ? My idea is having a way for a procedure to create new variables at will. 22:39:27 No. 22:39:48 What problem are you trying to solve of which you think this would help to solve? 22:41:07 Well. I was needing a procedure that recieved a list of an indetermined number of elements and would create variables p1, p2, p3 and so on at the outer environment from where it was called. 22:41:36 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A93FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:41:36 TR2N, use a macro 22:41:39 And what would you do with these? 22:41:44 What does a macro have to do with this?? 22:42:18 ??????????????????????????///////////////////////////////// 22:42:58 TR2N, it sounds like you want to create a data structure that holds data computed from the elements of your list. If so, you should use a data structure; the environment of your program is not a data structure for your program to operate on. But I need more information to be sure whether this is what you want. 22:43:18 Riastradh: In reality I started to thinking about this when I did (pp +) and saw that somehow MIT Scheme gives all needed arguments with a var numbered way to the (case number-of-arguments ...) expression. 22:43:46 That's just a silly way to print out an arity-dispatched procedure. 22:43:55 You can't evaluate that and get back anything useful. 22:44:13 What you can do is call MAKE-ARITY-DISPATCHED-PROCEDURE with the arguments shown in the CASE clauses. 22:44:17 I know. I found it strange. 22:44:30 Ah 22:45:19 For example, the value of the standard binding of + was created with: (make-arity-dispatched-procedure (named-lambda (+ self . zs) (reduce complex:+ 0 zs)) (named-lambda (nullary-+) 0) (named-lambda (unary-+ z) ...) (named-lambda (binary-+ z1 z2) ...)) 22:46:22 Ah...then the z1 z2 where not created automatically. 22:46:38 Let me try it then. 22:46:42 Right. 22:46:54 You can write an arbitrary number of cases there, too. 22:48:02 I presume the first argument will be used as the else expression of the case, right ? 22:48:07 pp seems to call it default 22:48:11 For +, there are only three interesting cases (nullary, unary, and binary), and then the n-ary case; but you could omit some of those cases by replacing its procedure with #F, or add more cases (ternary, quaternary, &c.). 22:48:16 Yes. 22:48:17 anyone has idea of comparing to Ocaml, what's scheme's pros and cons 22:49:15 pro: dynamically typed, cons: dynamically typed is slow 22:49:16 That's interesting Riastradh. Thank you. 22:49:28 Btw pp is a very interesting feature of MIT Scheme. 22:49:29 On the plus side, Scheme is dynamically typed; on the minus side, Scheme is dynamically typed. 22:49:50 dynamically means typy check at run time 22:49:59 Being able to see the inner workings of the program itself. Lovely concept. 22:50:04 WuJiang: like they said, you don't spend part of your time trying to convince the type checker that your program is correct :) 22:50:33 OCaml's type inferring is a big advantage 22:50:45 Scheme also has substantially better (and more accessible) metaprogramming functionality. 22:50:45 WuJiang: of course, but sometimes frustrating 22:50:50 On the plus side, Scheme has many implementations and is the subject of programming language experimentation; on the minus side, Scheme has many implementations and is the subject of programming language experimentation. 22:50:51 chandler++ 22:50:54 scheme's macro system is usually better 22:51:08 oh yeah, it depends on what do you want 22:51:24 do not know much about scheme's macro system 22:52:22 Riastradh: What I notice is that many of these more esoteric procedures like make-arity-dispatched-procedure are not documented on the Reference Manual. Is there an online location where they are documented ? 22:52:24 Scheme systems tend to encourage exploration, and iteration of design ideas; OCaml, like most statically typed languages (although perhaps not so much as Haskell), is designed to implement crystalline, immutable, finished ideas. 22:52:41 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:53:01 or put another way, you can spend 9 years figuring out ways to add numbers in scheme, or write actual programs in ocaml 22:53:02 TR2N, if they're not documented, usually the intent is that they're not really meant to be used outside MIT Scheme. 22:54:16 That is not the same concept put another way at all, jonrafkind. Please don't twist what I said into what you want me to have said. 22:54:40 -!- katie11 is now known as k11Vampire 22:54:40 Or like system-pair-cons which uses some kind of mysterious first argument which seems to be a code. 22:54:46 what I wanted you to have said was "I like ponies yes I do, I like ponies and so should you!" 22:55:02 TR2N, you are definitely not supposed to use SYSTEM-PAIR-CONS outside of the MIT Scheme internals. 22:55:40 I understand that. Maybe I should look at the source to understand the whole MIT Scheme architecture. 22:56:00 thanks jonrafkind 22:56:12 I'll look into scheme's macro system 22:56:13 SYSTEM-PAIR-CONS allocates two objects' worth of storage on the heap and returns a pointer to the first of them, tagged with the type code you give it. For example, CONS could have been defined by (define (cons a d) (system-pair-cons (microcode-type 'pair) a d)). But that's an implementation detail. 22:56:19 jonrafkind, please increase your signal to noise ratio. 22:57:07 Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for making it clear, Riastradh. 22:58:41 While trying to find what it meant on the web, I found a very old implementation of scheme from 1983, but I was glad to see that the essence of Scheme is still the same: http://people.csail.mit.edu/devon/archive/sample/scheme/scm/released/sdata.scm.22 22:58:42 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yab5j5v 22:59:29 TR2N: another cool lisp to look at if you can find a spec for it is Lisp-Kit, it resembles a primitive Scheme more so than anything related to Common Lisp 22:59:31 Internally, every object is represented by two strings of bits, the sum of the lengths of which is usually some number natural for the local machine, such as 32 or 64. One string of typically six bits is the type code, and the other string of bits has an interpretation dependent on the type code. 22:59:56 But all that is implementation details. 23:00:50 TR2N: you can find the implementation description in the book "Functional Programming: Application and Implementation" by Peter Henderson. Worth a look :) 23:01:30 Externally, every object has a unique `dispatch tag' which identifies the object's representation, and on which one can dispatch in generic procedures. Dispatch tags correspond approximately, but not exactly, with disjoint type predicates: dispatch tags correspond with equivalence classes of objects, just like disjoint type predicates, and have no subset relations with one another. 23:01:33 Thanks for the hint, zbrown. I'll sure give it a look. 23:01:37 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:01:56 TR2N: I implemented it for a class project, it was a lot of fun. Learned a lot about implementing lisps. 23:02:20 The correspondence is not exact because dispatch tags are finer-grained than disjoint type predicates; for example, the integer 1 may have one dispatch tag, while the integer -1, or the integer yielded by (expt 2 128), may have a different dispatch tag. 23:07:23 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-162.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:07:37 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-33-162.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:09:11 (Dispatch tags, as you'll find, are documented in the manual, unlike SYSTEM-PAIR-CONS, OBJECT-TYPE, OBJECT-DATUM, &c.) 23:12:44 rdd` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 23:15:41 Now I see that on '12.6 Generic Dispatch'. 23:15:54 rmrfchik_ [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has joined #scheme 23:15:56 Does it work like defgeneric and defmethod of CL ? 23:17:17 Sort of. It's much lower-level, though. 23:17:58 It is what the closer analogues to DEFGENERIC and DEFMETHOD are built on -- see . 23:18:00 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/5usbus 23:18:37 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:18:51 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 23:23:51 Riastradh: 20-Scheme? http://people.csail.mit.edu/devon/archive/sample/scheme/scm/released/arrays.scm.28 23:23:53 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yedmnds 23:24:42 -!- rmrfchik [n=rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:30:20 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:35:52 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 23:38:55 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:43:04 -!- k11Vampire is now known as k[a]tie 23:49:13 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:51:54 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 23:52:08 -!- dmoerner_ [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Client Quit] 23:57:37 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:58:12 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection]