00:03:50 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has joined #scheme 00:04:43 arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-232-243.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 00:04:54 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A912F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:08:51 davazp` [n=user@113.Red-88-0-211.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:09:05 davazp``` [n=user@113.Red-88-0-211.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:11:23 -!- davazp` [n=user@113.Red-88-0-211.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:12:25 hm... I need a basic object interface with get property, set property, list property, but... not sure if doing it on sqlite is better than just regularly dumping changed objects to disk manually. 00:13:27 guess I'll go with sqlite for now, take it out if performance is too low... 00:13:33 Naturally, a good way to solve your problem is to ramble in #scheme about a practically information-free description of the problem. 00:14:00 Personally, all I need is a spinning magnetic disk to store bits. 00:14:14 That's a nice, basic interface. 00:16:47 you know me. 00:17:17 OK here's a more specific question. If I have a database object as a parameter, and several prepared statements for that database, how do I ensure that the prepared statements always use the current parameterized database object, without requiring that the statement be recalculated with every use of it? 00:18:59 Put a gun to the head of anyone who tries to use your interface and ask very nicely that any such user satisfy your requirement. 00:19:40 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057CEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:19:41 That's assault. 00:19:50 It's a common pattern with me to define a database, then define a bunch of accessor functions like (define foo (let ((stmt (prepare db sql))) (lambda (a b c) (execute stmt a b c)))) 00:20:06 That's OK, kilimanjaro: synx is anonymous -- after all, he uses Tor and TLS --, so they'll never find him. 00:20:31 He uses Da Li'l Schema? I had him as more of a SICP kind of guy. 00:20:39 Excellent point. 00:21:48 only trouble with that is it requires I have a single global database object. Kind of bugs me to have (define db (open-database "some-file.sqlite")) at the module level, unchangeable. 00:21:48 even if I simply set! the db, instead of using a parameter, the prepared statements would still become invalid. 00:22:48 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has quit [] 00:23:19 In SQLite, the database to which a statement applies is associated with that statement. 00:23:46 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!"] 00:23:58 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 00:24:08 There is no (high-level) way to apply the statement to another database. (Perhaps there is some low-level or internal API to screw that up; I don't know.) 00:24:21 -!- davazp [n=user@113.Red-83-55-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Network is unreachable] 00:25:56 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-102-109.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:26:39 -!- davazp`` [n=user@113.Red-83-55-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Success] 00:26:43 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 00:28:48 sync: um, what's wrong with (execute db stmt a b c)? 00:31:11 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-199-60-206.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 00:31:19 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:33:16 arcfide: the API only lets you prepare a statement with a context, and execute the statement without a context. Only thing I could do is have some kind of a lookup table that makes sure there's a statement for that particular context for that particular string of SQL. 00:36:36 synx: What API is this? 00:36:46 sqlite's... 00:36:52 Riastradh: how about a git repo at mumble? 00:36:57 *mejja* hides under a rock 00:36:58 NOOOOO! 00:37:23 it's supposedly efficient to couple a database context and its corresponding prepared statement. 00:37:26 *arcfide* casts fireball lvl 3 at mejja; make a saving roll for collatoral damage. 00:37:39 mejja, hmm? 00:37:49 synx: I think Riastradh has identified how that works. 00:38:01 mejja, a Git repository of MIT Scheme? What would that accomplish? 00:38:16 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 00:38:18 zbigniew: ping 00:38:30 right, so I'm wondering how to program with that as a requirement. 00:38:34 -!- NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-44-82-249-253-86.adsl.proxad.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 00:39:08 *synx* usually just makes a db that gets opened whenever you (require) the module, but... 00:40:07 wanted to figure out a way to parameterize it. 00:40:08 Riastradh: Actually, have you solved your Git woes with MIT Scheme? 00:40:31 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 00:40:52 Solved my Git woes? 00:41:30 Riastradh: Were you not having a great deal of trouble trying to merge or push or some other kind of operation to the MIT Scheme repository? 00:42:10 I've had various issues with Git, but I have restricted the set of operations that I want to perform to be so small that I have an idea of how to do most of them. 00:42:50 -!- davazp``` [n=user@113.Red-88-0-211.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:43:51 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 00:45:22 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:51:19 addamgc [n=addamgc@ip72-203-154-146.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 00:52:37 -!- addamgc [n=addamgc@ip72-203-154-146.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 00:53:48 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 00:57:01 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:57:22 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 00:57:34 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 01:02:03 sleepydog [n=david@136.244.235.163] has joined #scheme 01:02:32 borism [n=boris@213.35.235.152] has joined #scheme 01:04:21 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-193-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:19:43 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has joined #scheme 01:20:18 incubot: arcfide is a git jockey! arcfide is a git jockey! 01:20:23 aha. what libraries do you recommend for working with XML, MySQL database, file, date/time stuff? 01:20:33 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:20:42 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:22:16 mejja, what purpose would a Git repository on mumble.net serve? 01:22:25 Is there something wrong with the one on Savannah? 01:24:51 I would like to try your profiler... 01:29:16 So apply one of the patches, and compile and load up the profiler. 01:30:59 Apparently you're doing this "distributed development" thing all wrong. Sending patches around is just so old-school! 01:31:00 (cd /path/to/mit-scheme && patch -p1 < dlink-foo.patch) 01:31:31 It's much better to type "git mumble foo" and watch it download a few hundred patches you *don't* need. 01:31:35 chandler, well, using Git for a linear sequence of repository states is bad enough. I'm terrified of getting merging involved. 01:32:18 If it were Darcs, I'd be happy to do that, because Darcs actually has a concept of a patch that makes a particular change that can be transmitted from one repository to another. 01:34:40 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:35:57 By the way, I don't have a Git repository with the patches applied, even locally -- at the moment, they really are just patches sitting on my disk. 01:36:24 (I mean, a Git repository with the patches committed.) 01:36:51 (Or, rather, no, I mean: a Git repository with some entire state of the repository, yielded by applying the patches, committed.) 01:39:26 (Nor do I have a Git repository with the CWCC optimization committed.) 01:43:02 I am *not* a Git jockey! 01:43:06 Hrmph! 01:43:06 :-) 01:43:42 Actually, when I switched from CVS, I went to Monotone. 01:44:43 And I've been *very* pleased with doing non-linear operations with it. 01:45:25 Riastradh: If you were a real Darcs fanatic, you'd have mirrored the MIT Scheme repository in Darcs on Mumble and would be sharing your patches that way. :-) 01:49:23 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-gwoyfarfnbuzwgof] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:49:44 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.54.113] has joined #scheme 01:59:30 Riastradh: does the dlink-fix slow down the system when not profiling? 01:59:45 No. 02:00:22 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:00:29 All that it changes is the behaviour of the stack parser on stack frames that are extremely unlikely to arise unless you are profiling; it does not affect the performance of parsing any other stack frames, or of any other parts of the system. 02:13:33 By the way, just a heads up: I'm about to break a whole bunch of things to make them faster! 02:15:33 (Now that I have this handy-dandy profiler tool to tell me what things to break in the name of speed...) 02:18:29 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:18:55 -!- saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@adsl-99-2-72-93.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:20:49 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 02:22:50 mejja pasted "mit-profile sample output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91914 02:24:04 Dawgmatix [n=user@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:39 Yep, looks right. 02:24:52 QinGW [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has joined #scheme 02:26:09 QinGW2 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has joined #scheme 02:26:24 shyam_k pasted "circular?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91915 02:26:28 well i couldn't figure out "hare and tortoise algorithm" though my solution works.. but i am confused whether it satisfies the requirement of constant space? 02:31:04 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:33:34 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:35:03 jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:35:21 -!- jmegner [n=jmegner@c-98-197-3-166.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #scheme 02:36:08 -!- kazzmir [n=kazzmir@98.202.86.149] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:39:35 Skewb [n=skewb@83.231.55.123] has joined #scheme 02:41:41 may be it takes much much more computation than needed but can that be a "right" solution? as cdrs through the object, it counts n, the number of cdrs made, and each time checks along the original object by cdr-ing it n times.... 02:45:25 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:55:48 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 02:59:25 klutometis: hey bud 02:59:56 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:00:21 zbigniew: bing 03:04:05 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 03:06:34 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:09:09 the innernet, it goeth 03:09:16 incubot: bing 03:09:19 bing) 03:09:45 frink 03:10:23 mejja annotated #91914 "INTERN vs STRING->SYMBOL" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91914#1 03:12:22 annodomini [n=lambda@pool-141-154-229-166.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:18:18 mejja, now try INTERN on strings that contain non-US-ASCII characters. 03:18:33 yeah I know... 03:19:25 plink 03:20:28 Riastradh: silly request of the day: opencode fix:min & max 03:20:47 -!- QinGW2 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has quit [Success] 03:23:00 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 03:29:05 mejja, it would be nice for them to be open-coded. Some day it would be nice if the system would do this automatically, so that it would not be necessary to transcribe code to generate their definitions, for every such procedure for which open-coding is desired, in sf/usiexp.scm. 03:30:26 By the way, there's a new version of the profiler up with a switch by which you can significantly reduce the output by not showing the expressions and subexpressions, in case the environment names are enough. 03:33:33 much nicer 03:36:12 Sometimes the extra information about the expression is useful, to distinguish different expressions in a common environment. Naturally, this, along with the edges of a call graph labelled by counts, should be presented in a nice browser inside Edwin, but that will be for another day. 03:40:58 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:41:23 -!- Dawgmatix [n=user@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:44:13 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has left #scheme 03:47:05 okay um... 03:47:12 mejja, OK, find out what's broken now! 03:47:54 I used make-module-evaluator to make 'e' then (e '(require "something.ss") where that file is allowed... but it claims nothing provided by something.ss is defined in e. 03:47:57 Riastradh: the norwegian Nobel committee? 03:49:43 synx, naturally, it is ALWAYS best for you to give an approximate English description of approximately what you did and then to complain that it didn't work, rather than to paste a transcript demonstrating exactly what you typed and exactly how Scheme responded. 03:50:05 sigh... 03:51:00 synx pasted "sandbok" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91919 03:51:20 I prefer to understand stuff than to just copy and paste. 03:52:05 for instance, property.ss provides set-property!, yet when I just type set-property! in the REPL it fails. 03:52:43 tjafk [n=timj@e176195193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:57:07 see, copy and paste, nobody still has an idea. That's why I try to describe the heart of my problem, instead of literally typing out scheme. 03:57:16 If I knew what scheme to type, then I wouldn't need to ask questions. 03:57:38 No, synx. All that you can conclude from this is that nobody has replied in ten minutes. 03:59:21 oddly (display (e 'set-property!)) works fine, but ((parameterize ((current-eval e)) (repl)) can't find set-property! 04:02:10 synx, pasting transcripts does not preclude understanding code. You are actually making it harder for someone to help you by withholding a transcript, because it forces any prospective helper to reconstruct, based on your approximate description of the problem, an attempt to reproduce it. 04:03:38 There is nothing wrong in beginning with a concise, if approximate, summary in English, but you should always accompany it by (1) exactly what you typed, (2) exactly what you saw, and (3) exactly what you expected to see. 04:03:53 guess so... 04:05:15 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:07:16 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 04:08:47 -!- tjaway [n=timj@e176214077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:43 I'll try to make a simple use-case. 04:12:57 synx pasted "repl doesn't have anything defined" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91923 04:16:55 synx, that's a start. Now you need to show a transcript of your interactions, demonstrating exactly what went wrong, so that someone else can take exactly the code you used, exactly the REPL inputs you used, and reproduce the problem, without spending any time deciphering your speculation of what is going on. 04:17:32 You run the main subroutine, and type set-property! 04:17:37 It's not complicated. 04:17:51 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has joined #scheme 04:18:01 I'm just curious why the repl doesn't have any of the bindings that the actual evaluator has. 04:18:39 The issue, synx, is not that it is complicated for someone to guess at an interaction that is probably what you intended. 04:19:08 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110] has quit [Client Quit] 04:20:39 The issue is that you are resistant to making it crystally clear what you are doing and what is going wrong, and that means that there is uncertainty, and it doesn't matter how complicated it is to guess at what your intent is because a guess is still uncertain. After all, you said just recently that a problem with a lot of software is the number of possible configurations it can be in. Consequently, if the guess is wrong, then someone will hav 04:21:43 I was probably truncated: Consequently, if the guess is wrong, then someone will have wasted time that could have been spent helping you, but was instead spent on a wild goose chase that you caused by being so reticent to give clear, precise information. 04:22:47 I said that set-property! wasn't defined, when evaluating it from within (repl). 04:23:04 I hope you understand how reticent you appear to others, such as me, about presenting clear information, and how frustrating that is to them. 04:23:06 And that to reproduce it you type set-property! on the repl. 04:23:18 I don't see how much clearer I can get. 04:23:31 Sorry, perhaps it wasn't clear: I was replying not to `You run the main subroutine, and type set-property!', but to `It's not complicated.' and your general attitude about describing problems. 04:23:33 I can't take over your screen after all. 04:24:10 well I'm sorry you feel that way. 04:24:51 *synx* /join #psychoanalysis 04:25:38 "I'm sorry you feel that way." has got to be one of the worst sentences ever 04:25:48 Don't be sorry about that. Just describe your problems clearly, and don't act so stubborn about requests for clear information. 04:26:26 thank you so much for your help Riastradh. My problem is totally solved now. 04:37:06 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:39:06 rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 04:42:55 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:47:26 -!- Skewb [n=skewb@83.231.55.123] has quit [] 04:53:31 during cps conversion what does call/cc turn into? I tried (call/cc f) => ((cps f) current-cc) but this doesnt work in general 04:53:52 rudybot: t8 en it during cps conversion what does call/cc turn into? 04:53:53 *offby1: durante la conversione cps cosa chiamata / girare in cc? 04:53:59 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:54:01 just in case anyone needs to speak Italian 04:54:09 jonrafkind: et depends or how you encode CPS. 04:54:09 *offby1* whistles innocently 04:54:14 copumpkin [n=copumpki@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:54:24 its encoded using function calls 04:54:33 rodolfobot 04:54:48 jonrafkind: not precise enough for me. 04:55:02 Do you curry or not? 04:55:06 no 04:55:13 -!- bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:55:37 jonrafkind, (CWCC f) relative to some continuation k reduces to an ordinary procedure call whose operator is f, whose continuation is k, and whose operand is an ordinary procedure that ignores its own continuation and passes its arguments to k. 04:55:43 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 04:56:11 yea thanks 04:56:25 if i wanted definitions from r5rs I would just look them up myself 04:56:39 Something like (cps (lambda(x) e)) = (lambda (k) (k (lambda (k2) (lambda (x) (k2 (cps e))))) ? 04:56:41 Consider how to translate my sentence into code, jonrafkind. 04:57:14 Axioplase_, yea 04:57:16 It is probably easiest, by the way, not to make a special case for CWCC in your CPS converter, but rather to define CWCC in the CPS. 04:57:32 CWCC itself acts as an ordinary procedure, whether in a direct style or in a CPS. 04:58:21 thats a reasonable idea 04:58:53 I had a special case for (call/cc (lambda (k) ...)) but this didnt workw hen I had (call/cc f) 05:01:43 rudybot: t8 en es The sleep of reason produces monsters. 05:01:44 Daemmerung: El sueño de la razón produce monstruos. 05:01:58 *Daemmerung* does a little dance 05:02:03 mornin' all 05:03:04 *offby1* beams 05:03:15 rudybot: t8 05:03:15 *offby1: expecting: t8 ... 05:04:43 -!- dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:05:36 rudybot: t8 en cn Give offby1 a cookie if this works. 05:05:36 arcfide: error: hash-ref: expects type as 1st argument, given: #\nul; other arguments were: translatedText 05:05:58 rudybot: give offby1 a rotten trout. 05:05:59 arcfide: your scheme sandbox is ready 05:05:59 arcfide: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: a in module: 'program 05:06:38 rudybot: give offby1 "A Rotten Trout" 05:06:38 offby1: arcfide has given you a value, say "rudybot: eval (GRAB)" to get it (case sensitive) 05:07:15 underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 05:07:19 rudybot: t8 de en Gegen Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens. 05:07:20 Daemmerung: Battles against stupidity even gods in vain. 05:09:26 hm, dunno why the en->cn didn't work. 05:09:32 perhaps cn isn't the right code. 05:09:40 rudybot: t8 xy yx yow by golly 05:09:41 *offby1: error: hash-ref: expects type as 1st argument, given: #\nul; other arguments were: translatedText 05:09:44 yeah 05:10:35 05:10:37 rudybot: t8 en zh Give arcfide a cookie if this works. 05:10:38 *offby1: arcfideCookie 05:11:51 y'all who don't hang out in #emacs probably don't know -- the bot there _used_ to do translation, using an older Google API; apparently Google removed that API (a month or two ago) and it's been broken ever since. I'm trying to goad its maintainer to fix it :) 05:13:04 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:33 rudybot: t8 de en Und das grau in grau, wird auf einmal blau, wie noch kein blau jemals war 05:21:34 zbigniew: And this gray in gray, to blue at once, as there was still no blue ever 05:26:04 *offby1* idly pumps fist 05:26:06 like, w00t. 05:29:20 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@211.151.251.254] has joined #scheme 05:29:53 rudybot: t8 en jp Give rudybot an electronic cookie if this works. 05:29:54 Axioplase_: error: hash-ref: expects type as 1st argument, given: #\nul; other arguments were: translatedText 05:30:11 rudybot: t8 en ja Give rudybot an electronic cookie if this works. 05:30:11 Axioplase_: rudybot 05:30:23 I guess we could have a better error handling there. 05:30:52 And this translation is a failure. 05:31:35 rudybot: t8 en ja If this works then give an electronic cookie to rudybot 05:31:35 Axioplase_: rudybot 05:31:58 almost as bad 05:32:07 rudybot is now a verb 05:32:48 It's rather a noun part of a verbial locution. 05:33:26 And a complete procrastination tool I should rather ignore. 05:33:30 *Axioplase_* vanishes 05:33:52 -!- jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit ["Leaving..."] 05:34:34 obviously, the translation itself is out of my hands; I just have Google do it. But you're right about the error handling; I should probably examine the language abbreviations and issue a special-case error if I don't recognize them 05:34:59 rudybot: t8 en th The elephant in the room 05:34:59 Daemmerung:  05:35:07 Unicode fail, nuts. 05:35:28 Looks thai to me 05:35:32 ayup 05:35:38 got them curly whatchamadingies and everything 05:35:44 Emacs buffer fail, double nuts. Nuts-nuts. 05:35:48 "cues" 05:36:04 Daemmerung: tsk tsk. If _I_ can see Unicode text properly in Emacs, _anyone_ can 05:36:12 (emacs 23, console mode, urxvt) 05:36:31 emacs 23... cutting edge 05:37:02 incubot: that's not sarcasm; i'm stuck on 22 05:37:08 Tell that to all the crazy people in Singapore, they walk all over the place and it blazes there; it feels like walking through a fog all the time. 05:38:12 rudybot: t8 en ms that's not sarcasm; i'm stuck on 22 05:38:13 zbigniew: bukan sarkasme; aku terjebak di 22 05:39:27 rudybot: t8 ja en rudybot 05:39:28 foof: I went this well and give the cookie rudybot e 05:39:36 lol 05:42:04 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:42:51 -!- splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 05:43:30 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 05:44:24 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:44:51 morphir [n=morphir@84.52.234.12] has joined #scheme 05:45:56 (hi) 05:46:23 ;value: # 05:48:11 hi returns a salutation? 05:48:37 (hi "greetings my fellow schemers") 05:52:52 zephyrfalcon [n=zephyrfa@adsl-074-229-200-227.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:59 hello, sailor 05:54:37 Nothing happens here. 05:55:07 plugh? 05:55:24 incubot: a hollow voice says 'fool' 05:55:27 Now he wanders, a hollow shell of his former self, recalling those days when he had a beating heart instead of a chestful of ashes and wishing that he could cry over his loss. 05:56:11 so plt is starting to support native threads. Its about time that scheme utilises several cores! 05:56:32 cpu-cores that is 05:58:33 Oh ye who go about saying unto each "Hello sailor": dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods? 05:58:55 *offby1* looks Daemmerung up and down lasciviously 05:58:57 no 06:00:06 -!- zephyrfalcon [n=zephyrfa@adsl-074-229-200-227.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has left #scheme 06:00:18 Daemmerung: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQa3yGXzGls 06:00:20 *Daemmerung* hides behind a 5 1/4" floppy 06:05:51 Well. I hope that young man found his sailors. 06:06:38 He does. You should see the one where he looks for Chinese people. 06:07:23 rudybot: t8 en he Programming languages should be designed not by piling feature on top of feature, but blah blah blah blah. 06:07:24 eli:             ,     . 06:07:43 rudybot: t8 he en             ,     . 06:07:43 eli: Programming languages should not be shaped by piling feature on top of feature, but blah blah blah blah. 06:07:58 wtf 06:08:01 rudybot: t8 en he Programming languages should not be shaped by piling feature on top of feature, but blah blah blah blah. 06:08:01 eli:             ,     . 06:08:06 *Daemmerung* now knows the Hebrew for "blah" 06:08:15 rudybot: t8 he en             ,     . 06:08:15 eli: Programming languages should not be shaped by piling feature on top of feature, but blah blah blah blah. 06:08:20 rudybot: t8 en he port->list is perfect, dont complain about things so much 06:08:20 jonrafkind: ->   , dont       06:08:40 more importantly, a translation that worked round-trip? wow 06:08:55 *eli* slaps jonrafkind with a big fish 06:09:06 offby1: This should work: 06:09:18 rudybot: t8 en he ja he en Whatever. 06:09:18 eli: ja en  . 06:09:56 Could be a popular but useless feature... 06:10:30 zbigniew: you got a gc? 06:10:42 rudybot: t8 en en thank god the command is 't8' because if it was 'translate' I wouldnt have enough time to look at lolcats!!!! 06:10:42 jonrafkind: thank god the command is 't8' because if it was 'translate' I wouldnt have enough time to look at lolcats!!!! 06:11:04 err.. I mean DC as in Dreamcast. Shenmue was a great game 06:11:07 morphir: (gc #t) 06:11:15 oh. then yes 06:11:45 i was into the homebrew scene for quite a while, even got chicken to build on it 06:11:55 dreamcast never took off here in europe. But shenmue was awesome 06:12:20 so I imported the console and the games 06:13:21 I remember virtua tennis and crazy taxi and soul calibur as my favorites 06:13:24 my wife bought me shenmue for my birthday and then promptly beat it before me 06:14:02 i think it was that day... the day the snow turned to rain 06:14:18 hehe 06:15:03 so you ran chicken on the dc? 06:15:24 did you develope anything? 06:16:35 no all my stuff was c/c++ on the dc, i simply got a minimal chicken to build and run there, bt did not proceed further 06:17:03 jonrafkind: BTW, google translated your text into hebrew that says "exit->the list is not perfect, ..." 06:17:10 And google knows everything. 06:17:28 port is almost exit 06:17:43 You're missing the "not" there. 06:17:48 oh haha 06:17:52 and perfect is the enemy of the good 06:18:00 rudybot: t8 he en   06:18:00 eli: Not perfect 06:18:06 jonrafkind: There. 06:18:15 morphir: You are aware that there is more than one implementation of Scheme that already handles multiple cores and multi-threading? 06:18:18 echo-area [n=user@asa-nat68.corp.cnz.alimama.com] has joined #scheme 06:18:22 rudybot: t8 en he happy hannukah 06:18:22 jonrafkind:   06:18:52 morphir: PLT used to do so a while back, too, so it's hardly something "new," in the sense that Scheme has not had it before. 06:18:52 That's easy for a user-supported engine... 06:19:54 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@140-182-232-243.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit ["Done!"] 06:20:05 arcfide: I'm not aware of that. I mean, its hard to stay up to date with everything that happens within the scheme community. Every implementation has its own thing going on. 06:20:20 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:20:48 and every no and then, there is a new Phd. paper that implements feature x in some lisp 06:22:04 arcfide. I suppose, car/cdr and cons is what most lisps has in common :P 06:22:26 morphir: arcfide left 3 minutes ago. 06:22:41 :( 06:22:43 that arcfide, always going and coming back 06:23:09 Incidentally, there have been several Schemes that ran on immensely parallel machines such as the BBN Butterfly, the Connection Machine, &c... 06:23:49 (with on the order of not two or four CPU cores, but 2^8 or 2^9 CPUs) 06:25:32 saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@c-24-5-80-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:25:34 *eli* notes that "2^8 or 2^9" is exactly the same length as "256 or 512", but still thanks Riastradh for not using "two hundred and fifty six or fife hundred and twelve" 06:26:01 s/fif/fiv/ 06:26:06 Actually I wrote 2^8 and 2^9 because they were shorter to pronounce in my head. 06:26:28 Beh, kids these days. 06:27:05 Also, they didn't require writing any decimal. 2^8 and 2^9 mean what I intended when interpreted in hexadecimal. 06:27:34 (although not octal, but fortunately octal went out of fashion about thirty years ago) 06:27:35 But they require an exponentiation operation. 06:27:42 Worse -- they require using shift. 06:27:56 Sure, but so does decimal notation. 06:28:01 *foof* prefers 2^2^3 and 2^3^2 because non-primes are ugly 06:28:10 And that's an exponentiation with a horrible base. 06:28:16 i like 100 and 200 06:28:17 2 is a nice base. 06:28:37 zbigniew, yes, but to be clear, I'd have had to have written #x100 or #x200. 06:29:00 (Now beat that number of `have' or its conjugates in a nearly contiguous string!) 06:30:30 James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher. 06:30:54 OK, ` ``have'' and its conjugates', not ` ``have'' or its conjugates'. 06:32:15 James, while John had had "had", had had "have had"; "have had" had had a better effect on the teacher. 06:32:34 And without quotation. 06:33:46 (...`I'd have had to have had a ``#x'' before the ``100'' or ``200'' '. (Here, the quotation (and the excessive depth of parentheses) are not cheating, of course.)) 06:38:49 kiss me with your scheming, cheating common lips 06:45:57 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:46:15 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 06:50:00 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:54:12 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 06:58:56 -!- underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [] 07:01:37 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-208.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 07:02:01 the sicp lectures from 86 are incredible. I bet you wont find any class today that holds this quality 07:02:16 thank god its available to everyone 07:04:33 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 07:08:36 -!- Riastradh [n=riastrad@tissot.csail.mit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 07:12:11 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 07:18:52 nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 07:33:19 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:34:33 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:38:41 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 07:38:47 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:38:55 it's a secret to everyone 07:46:54 ASau [n=user@77.246.231.50] has joined #scheme 07:52:30 shyam_k` [n=user@117.204.81.25] has joined #scheme 07:54:23 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-208.naist.jp] has quit [] 07:54:26 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84.52.234.12] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:56:49 -!- peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 07:56:52 Some lectures (10a or 9b I guess) I downloaded seem not complete, are yours too not complete? 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*!*FHL@host81-141-232*.wlms-broadband.com 17:02:17 -!- chandler has set mode -b %FHL!*@* 17:02:37 Daemmerung: Don't confuse my twitchy trigger finger! 17:02:45 chandler ping . Barampbampadush! 17:02:58 *Daemmerung* flinches 17:03:09 morphir: Hm? 17:03:32 just ban the entire TLD 17:03:40 .com? 17:03:49 yeah :p 17:03:56 Works for me. 17:04:03 me too :p 17:04:06 chandler: do you know the tv show called 'Friends'? 17:04:11 Vaguely. 17:04:30 one character was named Chandler Bing 17:04:37 That's nice. 17:04:59 yeah. So the reference was from there :) 17:05:00 WHAT? you mean you are not THAT chandler?? 17:05:09 *leppie* is disappointed 17:05:14 jk :) 17:06:30 -!- ejs [n=eugen@128-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:07:21 ejs [n=eugen@128-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:08:36 caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 17:09:12 foof: What's up with synthcode.com? 17:12:35 alaricsp [n=alaric@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 17:19:00 -!- ejs [n=eugen@128-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:21:38 ejs [n=eugen@128-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:22:58 lolcow [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 17:23:06 -!- ejs [n=eugen@128-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:36:26 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:37:32 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 17:37:55 if you got silverlight, check out http://entitycube.research.microsoft.com/guanxi.aspx?query=scheme+language 17:41:11 wingo [n=wingo@76.Red-79-156-147.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:41:13 evening 17:45:32 ejs [n=eugen@85-238-113-220.wifi.tenet.od.ua] has joined #scheme 17:50:10 hello wingo 17:51:26 greetings, mr p. 17:57:46 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:03:58 -!- foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-26-181.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:05:13 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:10:28 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:11:45 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05472D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:44 -!- NNshag [n=shag@82.65.87.145] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:16:05 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:16:13 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 18:16:55 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:18:59 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 18:29:01 Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-43-82-249-183-197.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:31:32 subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has joined #scheme 18:32:51 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:34:43 wingo: Love your latest post! 18:34:53 sjamaan: thanks! 18:34:54 Nice dig at Zed, he deserved it ;) 18:35:05 hehe ;) 18:35:16 i tried not to dig too hard though, he bites back :) 18:35:32 yeah, he tends to do that 18:44:47 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 18:48:28 -!- marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has quit ["Quitting"] 18:50:27 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:53:54 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 18:53:58 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:58:16 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:58:43 -!- saint_cypher [n=saint_cy@c-24-5-80-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:01:06 flonum [n=ben@24-138-98-167.zing-net.ca] has joined #scheme 19:06:18 -!- ejs [n=eugen@85-238-113-220.wifi.tenet.od.ua] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:09:03 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-gsbxegintflqaxmb] has joined #scheme 19:12:59 -!- morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:15:04 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 19:19:31 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 19:27:37 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:29:02 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 19:36:36 So, anyone want to try out my MU? 19:36:36 telnet synx.us.to 6500 19:40:00 -!- caoliver [n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #scheme 19:41:24 *wingo* tries to open /etc/passwd 19:41:43 synx: no line editor. Painful 19:42:26 readline++ 19:42:45 we are trying to get readline relicensed as lgpl, to avoid lineedit silliness 19:43:20 I'm not gonna write telnet, Fare. 19:43:26 rewrite that is 19:43:31 use rlwrap 19:43:41 rlwrap nc synx.us.to 6500 19:44:42 What is MU? 20:38:53 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 20:38:53 20:38:53 -!- names: ccl-logbot MichaelRaskin saint_cypher bgs100 qebab ineiros bzzbzz ASau` underspecified subversus flonum rstandy` sepult antoszka langmartin jyujin nowhereman aintme stepnem rdd`` REPLeffect_ dmoerner tarbo timchen1` kniu tjafk Edico acieroid snorble peter_12 reprore mrsolo Nshag mejja hotblack23 jonrafkind wingo sstrickl bweaver mabes masm1 jlongster kilimanjaro pavelludiq dzhus clog ASau CaptainMorgan copumpkin rudybot sleepydog Summermute 20:38:53 -!- names: jimrees WuJiang untouchable eno charleyb Daemmerung synx tltstc r0bby felipe skampler leppie|work @chandler rotty adzuci guenthr_ makmanalp gnomon dlouhy elly eli ray 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21:12:45 (please? :) 21:13:07 guile's is worse, from feb 2007... 21:15:01 i cant even figure out how to make a topic stick :( 21:17:27 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 21:21:17 leppie: You use ChanServ (/msg ChanServ help) 21:21:57 Is the current topic busted? 21:22:42 in other channels i'm in, you have to be op to set it 21:22:51 here there are few ops (which is cool with me) 21:27:57 sepult` [n=user@xdsl-78-35-192-155.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:28:08 wingo: Why do we need a new topic? 21:28:13 The current one seems fine. 21:28:30 i have a weakness for novelty, chandler. 21:28:36 rdd``` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:28:37 it is a personal failing. 21:28:50 my apologies for spreading it ;) 21:29:12 I was wondering if there was some reason why you were asking if I, specifically, was going to set one. 21:29:17 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-78-35-192-155.netcologne.de] has quit [verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 21:29:17 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"http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/" "http://www.htdp.org/" "http://www.scheme.com/tspl/"))) (map surf-to (append meta-links scheme-links))) 21:36:21 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:36:26 wingo: Does that make you happy? 21:36:31 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:36:34 Or was there not enough novelty? 21:36:57 subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:59 chandler: that's novel, thank you! :-) 21:37:03 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 21:37:58 ineiros [n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 21:38:14 -!- incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 21:38:16 incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:38:28 rudybot: init scheme 21:38:30 -!- incwolf 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Try "rudybot: help". 21:38:54 rudybot: eval (require net/sendurl) 21:38:54 chandler: error: file-or-directory-modify-seconds: `read' access denied for /home/erich/.plt-scheme/plt-prefs.ss 21:39:04 Heh. 21:39:21 incwolf [n=phil@cpe-76-172-228-179.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:39:21 rdd`` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:39:21 kniu [n=kniu@HOHOHO.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:42:15 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:42 wingo: the real anniversary that you should celebrate is 22 July 2005, when SRFI-49 reached Final. 21:45:05 haha 21:46:11 -!- rdd`` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Success] 21:47:36 Also, backbiting. 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21:59:07 reid02 [n=reid02@CPE00226b5e2074-CM000e5c6ebb22.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 22:03:37 -!- flonum [n=ben@24-138-98-167.zing-net.ca] has left #scheme 22:07:16 nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:11:54 -!- Daemmeru` is now known as Daemmerung 22:28:07 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29:02 annodomini [n=lambda@pool-141-154-229-166.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:31:17 xpe [i=80a3ed05@gateway/web/freenode/x-zeedszpliqkkdhyn] has joined #scheme 22:33:44 I'm sure this is an off-the-wall question, but does anyone have experience with teaching Scheme to younger kids (age 10-12 maybe)? I've got a sibling who is starting to become interested in computers and robots, and I think it would be neat to let him start with a language like Scheme that lets a beginner learn important ideas without getting bogged down in the syntax. 22:35:22 Obviously, giving them a copy of SICP might be a bit too hard. (-: 22:35:49 You could try the Little Schemer instead 22:36:09 But that might be a tad too difficult too (especially later chapters) 22:36:23 sjamaan: Hmm, I thought about the The Little Schemer...I'd wonder if that would be rewarding for a younger kid though. 22:36:24 I don't think anyone has worked on a Scheme port of Hackethack yet :) 22:37:02 Hacketyhack* 22:37:29 I saw where someone had ported Scheme to Lego Mindstorm robots...I wonder if that would be appropriate. 22:37:49 That's here (http://www.yuasa.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~yuasa/xs/) for the curious. 22:38:15 wow, sounds cool 22:38:24 you could try something logo-like 22:38:28 But just the code isn't enough 22:38:33 You need some way to teach it 22:38:56 Exactly. Which is why I started looking in the direction of robots. 22:39:07 Or do you mean learning material? 22:39:21 wingo: I forgot about Logo... 22:39:46 yeah, learning material 22:40:06 http://www.calormen.com/Logo/ 22:40:13 Just having the robots with Scheme running on them and saying "here you go, have fun" isn't enough ;) 22:40:43 sjamaan: Haha, probably not. 22:40:53 "Knock yourself out kid" 22:41:17 heh 22:41:20 :) 22:41:32 wingo: If you can find a reasonably priced robot that uses Logo, I'd be willing to go that route. 22:43:46 xpe: Starting with the standard Mindstorms development tools might not be a bad idea; it's a dataflow environment that's basically a cut down version of LabView. 22:44:12 chandler: Hmm, okay. 22:44:16 If you're interesting in teaching Scheme, you might want to look at some of the material at http://www.teach-scheme.org/ - it's designed for high school students, but has been adapted for younger students in the past. 22:45:17 Otherwise, you could find a IIe/IIc/IIgs in good condition, a copy of the Integer BASIC manual, and leave him to his own devices. It worked for me! 22:45:32 heh 22:46:40 chandler: Oh, I've got an old Thinkpad I was going to give him. It's got no CD drive and the hard disk is a little weird sometimes, but it's running Ubuntu quite nicely. 22:48:04 Although I don't know if unleashing Linux on a small child is punishable by federal law or not. 22:48:18 I still think BASIC has an unmatched combination of simplicity and immediacy that makes it attractive for new programmers. Once you know how to draw, there's quite a lot you can do. 22:48:27 10-12 doesn't sound like "small child" to me. 22:48:49 chandler: I guess not. I don't know. (: 22:49:22 xerox_ [n=xerox@151.61.161.138] has joined #scheme 22:49:32 If I'm going to go the educational, easy to use route though, Logo would work just as well. 22:50:11 Perhaps my Lisp-y bias shines here, however. 22:50:34 When I was a kid, I rejected Logo as being too limited. 22:50:41 I started with BASIC myself, but that's more a result of the fact that I didn't have access to anything else. 22:52:47 i tried to look for a quote by perlis about basic damaging minds, but failed. 22:53:42 wingo: If you're smart enough to abstract away from each situation and realize what is appropriate or not, you're fine. If you're not, you shouldn't be a programmer anyway. 22:53:56 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:53:58 lolcow [n=lolcow@196.210.200.194] has joined #scheme 22:54:11 wingo: You're looking for Dijkstra. 22:54:14 you're probably right xpe, but perlis is mighty pithy 22:54:23 ooh, dijkstra too. 22:54:44 Dijkstra irritates me. 22:54:45 "The teaching of BASIC should be rated as a criminal offence: it mutilates the mind beyond recovery." 22:54:53 He is, of course, quite wrong. 22:55:07 "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." 22:55:16 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55:16 -!- xerox_ is now known as xerox 22:55:22 xpe: me too, but pithy he is as well 22:55:31 "Gotos aren't damnable to begin with. If you aren't smart enough to distinguish what's bad about some gotos from all gotos, goto hell. " -- Erik Naggum 22:56:18 In other words, exactly what I said. 23:00:00 xpe: In any event, if you are interested in teaching Scheme, PLT is a nice environment that is accompanied by a great deal of teaching resources. Whether you start with that or not should depend on how much of a self-starter the student is, and whether he or she is willing to "dive right in" or would be better off starting in a more concrete environment like Mindstorms to start. 23:00:42 chandler: If I do teach him Scheme, PLT is what I'll use. I think DrScheme is great. 23:02:43 Personally, I suspect I would have gotten quite a kick out of Mindstorms at 8 or 9, but after that would have preferred to dive right in to PLT. (That's about the time that I was using Visual Basic - if ever there was a tool that Dijkstra would scorn for learners!) 23:02:46 borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 23:02:46 qebab [i=finnrobi@caracal.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #scheme 23:02:46 rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-120-152.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 23:04:08 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060026bb736c5b.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 23:04:27 dijkstra was blogging before bloggers. 23:05:00 wingo: But he made sure to hand write it all out first. 23:05:14 indeed. 23:06:05 So really, he'd be the anti-blogger: he thought /before/ he published something, not 10 minutes after in the comment thread. 23:08:01 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:08:55 mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has joined #scheme 23:09:41 hehe 23:24:51 -!- xpe [i=80a3ed05@gateway/web/freenode/x-zeedszpliqkkdhyn] has quit ["Page closed"] 23:29:44 MaxLeifermann [n=MaxLeife@75-149-44-10-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:11 -!- MaxLeifermann [n=MaxLeife@75-149-44-10-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #scheme 23:38:44 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:43:43 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:52:09 saccade_ [n=saccade@209-6-54-113.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 23:54:30 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit []