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Depending on what you're doing, this may or may not be a matter of concern. 02:56:59 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-151-199-60-206.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:03:16 florgleborgle [n=nobody@p5B03B30E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 03:06:41 It's 4.0.1 in Debian sid, not a huge lag. 03:06:44 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 03:07:14 Hmmm... actually, that's pretty old. 03:08:41 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 03:10:03 yeah 03:10:11 their binary installer works nicely; it's what I use 03:10:51 PLT's never given me too much hassle to compile from source. Though it does take for/ever/ to compile its collections on install. 03:13:09 elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-198.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 03:14:11 -!- elderK [n=zk@125-238-255-198.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["leaving"] 03:14:24 it's 4.2.1 in ubuntu 10.4 03:15:14 ubuntu 10.4 is out? 03:15:27 im running pre-alpha 03:16:14 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 03:16:35 dysinger [n=dysinger@cpe-75-85-132-170.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:24:56 Ubuntu is ahead of sid? How odd. 03:30:31 Oh, nevermind. 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usually i see all arguments evaluated from right to left in general. 05:57:01 "Unlike some other dialects of Lisp, Scheme always evaluates the operator expression and the operand expressions with the same evaluation rules, and the order of evaluation is unspecified." says the manual 05:57:43 -!- ColonelJ is now known as THEGAME 05:57:48 -!- THEGAME is now known as KernelJ 05:58:34 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 05:59:40 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@cpe-75-85-132-170.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:25:33 "the manual" 06:28:01 -!- emma [n=em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:34:19 shyam_k: (pp +) 06:36:55 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:39:22 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 06:42:54 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #scheme 06:44:42 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:46:05 TR2N: wow pp is interesting.. but (pp +) just points to 4 different procedures in "arith" 06:47:12 thats ok:) 06:49:38 Arelius [n=user@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 06:54:28 GeoffHill [n=geoff@dhcp-199-74-102-82.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 06:56:22 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:56:50 annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 06:58:01 make-arithmetic-package looks so cool in runtime/numint.scm 07:01:46 shyam_k: if it's any consolation, whenever I have the situation (a b c d) where b produces a side effect that c depends on, generally that indicates I'm doing it wrong. 07:02:02 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:02:33 without side effects, the order of evaluation doesn't matter at all. 07:03:34 -!- tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:04:42 tltstc [n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:05:10 -!- chops [n=nope@dyn-138.greentreefrog.net.au] has quit [] 07:08:34 -!- florgleborgle [n=nobody@p5B03B30E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:08:55 florgleborgle [n=nobody@p5B03B30E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 07:09:07 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 07:10:41 hmm.. yeah i get that but i don't get why.. anyway .. i should just read on sicp ;-) stopping in the middle and asking questions makes it the stupdiest of them:) 07:12:08 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-244-201-199.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:17:19 -!- untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 07:22:18 *synx* only skimmed through sicp *shrugs* 07:22:53 seems obvious to me that without side effects order of evaluation doesn't matter. 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[n=reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:00:48 that sounds pretty simple, do specialized algorithms for such a thing? 19:01:05 put 'exist' somewhere in that sentence 19:05:53 -!- Summermute [n=Summermu@c-98-204-67-114.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has left #scheme 19:06:11 it sounds like a very dangerous thing 19:16:58 rdd`` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 19:17:23 -!- edwardk [i=c72ec6e8@gateway/web/freenode/x-zajlictxxvmidbtr] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:17:23 -!- leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-bzpplbtysebuylkd] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 19:17:50 -!- rdd` [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:20:00 -!- Pong [n=ping@95.35.199.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:21:10 foof` [n=user@FL1-118-110-26-181.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 19:21:12 davazp` 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learning Scheme? 19:50:23 -!- arbri [n=arbri@adsl-ull-191-128.51-151.net24.it] has left #scheme 19:50:26 in front of a computer, but some prefer books 19:50:33 :| 19:51:59 leppie: You almost had a very helpful comment. Better luck next time. :) 19:52:10 i try 19:53:53 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-123-253.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:57:24 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 20:09:00 wingo [n=wingo@224.Red-81-38-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:09:03 evening 20:09:46 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:10:03 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:10:07 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:11:06 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:11:53 -!- ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:12:02 ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:12:50 hi wingo 20:12:56 -!- brx [n=brx@p4FEE6D02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18:41 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:21:22 -!- florgleborgle [n=nobody@p5B03B30E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:21:22 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:21:22 -!- subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:21:22 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:21:22 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has quit [simmons.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:23:17 -!- Pong [n=ping@94.230.80.32] has quit [] 20:26:20 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 20:33:05 subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has joined #scheme 20:33:11 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 20:33:22 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 20:33:24 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:34:53 samth [n=samth@pool-72-85-179-48.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:36:46 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-123-253.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:41:46 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:45:00 schmir [n=schmir@p54A93561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:45:19 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056CA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:08 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:46:33 -!- subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:47:34 -!- ASau`` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48:40 -!- KernelJ [n=cipherja@zone2.robinson.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:48:54 THEGAME [n=cipherja@zone2.robinson.cam.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 20:52:00 -!- THEGAME is now known as ColonelJ 20:53:48 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 20:57:20 -!- marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:57:42 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:25 jmcphers [n=jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #scheme 21:01:48 -!- ColonelJ is now known as KernelJ 21:05:54 -!- schmir [n=schmir@p54A93561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:08:25 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:16:23 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:45 flonum [n=ben@24-138-98-167.zing-net.ca] has joined #scheme 21:39:53 -!- alaricsp [n=alaric@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44:56 -!- samth [n=samth@pool-72-85-179-48.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:46:59 -!- davazp` [n=user@15.Red-88-1-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:47:53 davazp` [n=user@61.Red-79-153-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:50:32 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:52:14 schmir [n=schmir@p54A93561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:59:18 -!- copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-204.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [] 21:59:26 copumpkin [n=copumpki@dhcp-212-204.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 22:01:30 Lilarcor [n=Lilarcor@ip70-187-168-252.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 22:02:04 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit ["."] 22:02:17 -!- wingo [n=wingo@224.Red-81-38-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:03:22 -!- nothingHappens [n=nothingH@173-31-122-80.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:09:31 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:10:24 A brief question: is there any way other than an explicit assignment statement to control the order in which statements occur (specifically, the order in which variables are bound to values)? 22:10:57 LET* follows the order you specify. 22:11:09 BEGIN also performs sequencing. 22:11:13 -!- foof` is now known as foof 22:13:24 but let* (or nested let) is just lambda-expressions, right? And these don't know about order? 22:13:58 and as for BEGIN, wouldn't two DEFINEs in a BEGIN still be considered simultaneous/unspecified execution order? 22:14:10 They know about applicative order. 22:15:19 right, they behave in a way which depends on the scheme interpreter, which is applicative-order 22:15:32 (define-syntax begin (syntax-rules () ((begin x) x) ((begin x y ...) ((lambda (ignore) (begin y ...)) x)))) 22:15:54 (for the non-splicing uses) 22:16:56 flonum: my answer was not rhetorical. It is how LET* works. Expand a LET* expression into its LAMBDA equivalent and you will see. 22:18:59 (syntax-rules () ((_ x) x) ((_ x . y) ((lambda z (begin . y)) x))) 22:19:24 ^ for single-line readability, and to handle MV which screws with everything 22:19:47 right, it expands into something like ((lambda (a) ((lambda (b) (stuff)) )) ) 22:20:20 but the order in which and are bound is implementation-dependent 22:20:39 and depends on whether your Scheme goes left-to-right, no? 22:22:18 arcfide [i=arcfide@99.14.210.235] has joined #scheme 22:22:24 No. 22:22:37 ok 22:24:17 When evaluating that, the outer lambda and are evaluated first, in some order. 22:24:55 Then, the procedure created by the outer lambda is evaluated with as argument. 22:26:45 dmoerner [n=dmr@134.173.91.146] has joined #scheme 22:26:47 ok, I think I see 22:29:49 (let* ((a 1) (b 2)) (c a b)) expands to (let ((a 1)) (let ((b 2)) (c a b))) 22:30:01 which in turn expands to ((lambda (a) ((lambda (b) (c a b)) 2)) 1) 22:31:13 Remember that a lambda form creates a procedure. When the lambda form is evaluated, the body of the lambda is not evaluated; it is evaluated only when you call the procedure. 22:33:02 ok, right, once the outer procedure is set up, we need to create a subenvironment and bind a to 1 before the inner part of the procedure gets evaluated 22:35:23 Right. 22:36:20 -!- Lilarcor [n=Lilarcor@ip70-187-168-252.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit ["The Lord of Murder Shall Perish."] 22:36:48 flonum: Where are you learning this stuff from? 22:38:06 masm: after this confusion, I'm ashamed to admit I'm reading the Wizard Book ... 22:38:17 somehow I managed to convince myself of something that wasn't right, however ... 22:39:46 morphir [n=morphir@84-52-234.12.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #scheme 22:40:00 Anyway, thanks a lot for all your help. 22:40:15 there is this primitive function on sicp (-1* x) 22:40:22 I feel silly! 22:40:23 I cant make any sense of it 22:40:41 flonum: Some of these things are a little confusing at first. Do feel bad. 22:40:47 I do! 22:40:48 Don't 22:40:53 :) 22:40:59 Sorry, couldn't resist. 22:41:51 I forgot the NOT, which was the most important word in that sentence. 22:41:51 Thanks again though ... 22:42:06 You're welcome. 22:42:26 anyone here watched the old SICP videos from 1984? 22:42:44 incubot: feel wery wery bed! 22:42:48 pong, no, sorry, haven't looked into your fix, yet; concentrating on trying to employ those bdb bindings with commander-s, wery depressing. 22:42:50 is there any who hasn't? 22:43:15 I haven't. I tried, but got bored. 22:43:24 is there new video not from 1984? the berkeley one? 22:43:53 about 20.18 out in the video 22:43:55 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5546836985338782440#docid=-1634408017041876836 22:43:57 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yl7eul4 22:44:05 you can see what I refer to 22:44:25 very weird function 22:44:33 hot babes? 22:46:14 morphir: that is -1+, not -1*. Compression artifact in the video. 22:46:17 peano arithmetic 22:47:42 Daemmerung: could be it, yeah 22:48:55 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@99.14.210.235] has quit ["ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?"] 22:49:57 Daemmerung: so, what is -1+ 22:50:15 is this a primitive function? 22:50:34 (-1+ 3) evaluates to? 22:50:37 Listen to Sussman and it'll be clear. 22:50:49 2? 22:50:55 samth [n=samth@c-65-96-168-99.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:51:07 Correct. 2. 22:51:16 right. 22:52:01 incubot: (+ (- 1 3)) 22:52:01 -2 22:52:13 incubot: (+ (- 3 1)) ;; oops 22:52:13 2 22:52:41 function naming is a huge pita in the little schemer 22:53:05 seems like a overall problem in oldish lisp 22:53:08 From page 33 of the 1st edition of SICP, the edition corresponding to that hoary video: 1+ is a primitive op that increments its argument by 1, and -1+ is a prim op that decrs its arg by 1. 22:54:18 incubot: (let ((-1+ (lambda (x) (- x 1)))) (-1+ 3)) 22:54:18 2 22:54:33 rudybot: eval (let ((-1+ (lambda (x) (- x 1)))) (-1+ 3)) 22:54:34 sladegen: your sandbox is ready 22:54:34 sladegen: ; Value: 2 22:55:08 Daemmerung: been awhile, man; how have you been? 22:55:15 TLS calls those add1 and sub1, a spelling that I find easier on the eyes. 22:55:27 klutometis: yo dude. 22:55:33 incubot: (let ((-1 (lambda (x) (- x 1)))) (-1 3)) 22:55:33 Error: (let) identifier expected: (let ((-1 (lambda (x) (- x 1)))) (-1 3)) 22:55:46 Thought it'd be nice to try coding again. You know. 22:55:47 incubot: amen(); 22:55:48 Error: unbound variable: amen 22:57:22 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-14-210-235.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:57:40 Good evening everyone. 23:00:30 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:09:20 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:14:50 -!- a-s [n=user@nat-240.ro.66.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:15:10 a-s` [n=user@nat-240.ro.66.com] has joined #scheme 23:16:31 chops [n=nope@dyn-138.greentreefrog.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:20:57 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 23:23:48 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-152-155.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:25:04 -!- tarbo [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:25:31 Fare [n=Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:36:16 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38:28 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 23:42:34 untouchable [i=untoucha@dhcp-129-64-166-32.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #scheme 23:45:46 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:56:06 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056CA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:57:13 Bonnett [n=Bonnett@83.231.115.224] has joined #scheme 23:57:50 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:59:33 Daemmerung: taking a break from piano, cars and guns? 23:59:51 Daemmerung: its bad naming