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So you really want to replace the year part of a date by a different year, holding all other components fixed. 00:53:16 google says differently 00:53:38 yep 00:54:10 I just realised I can just get the date part, and increment it by one or five or whatever 00:54:13 Well, that's easy enough: use MAKE-DATE, DATE-NANOSECOND, DATE-SECOND, &c. But please don't confuse that with any notion of a `year' as a duration of time. 00:54:26 (as a precise duration of at least) 00:54:31 `...of time, at least' 00:54:31 as an integer, it doesn't have odd rules like days of a month 00:55:17 Of course, you'll have to be careful with this operation: you may wind up with a date that didn't exist. 00:55:24 There are several ways that this can happen. 00:55:30 okay, how is that? 00:55:35 For example, you might start with a date such as February 29, 2000. 00:55:38 oh 00:55:41 of course 00:55:45 damn, there is special rules 00:55:57 If you `add' four hundred years to that, you'll be OK, but not if you add one hundred, or one. 00:56:21 reprore_ [n=reprore@mail.trn.dis.titech.ac.jp] has joined #scheme 00:56:30 this is tricky 00:56:46 Worse, what happens if you start with the tenth of September, 2000, and `subtract' two hundred forty-eight years from that? 00:57:16 a bunch of languages provide date arithmetic functions so that leap years etc are taken care of 00:57:35 You'll get a date that exists in some calendars (in some countries!), but not in others, that way. 00:57:54 why woul one calculate a period of time longer than 200 years? 00:58:24 (In particular, the resulting date -- September 10, 1752 -- doesn't exist in any countries or colonies that were among the British Empire.) 00:58:42 hmm that may be a valid point but its not relevant to my issue. I guess you can argue around that by saying "what is the date 248 years ago, in terms of the calendar we use today" 00:59:00 (...along with the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, eleventh, and twelfth, and thirteenth of that month.) 00:59:16 in c i would have added a second counter variable to do that... 00:59:28 hold on, the britsh empire had no september?! 00:59:33 I didn't say that. 00:59:34 so var1*200+years is the result... 00:59:48 No, I am asking what you did say by posing a question :) 01:00:02 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-31-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:00:43 In the British Empire and its colonies (and in some other countries too, I believe, although for some countries this happened at different times, such as Russia, where it happened in 1918), September of 1752 lacked its third through thirteenth days, inclusive on both bounds. 01:01:29 Riastradh, do you know why it lacked those days? A king decreed that they would not coutn them? 01:02:09 What happened at this calendrical peculiarity? Aside from what I'm sure was a serious kerfuffle over salaries and rents involving much lawyerage, that was when the British Empire transitioned from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. 01:02:30 Oh, right, gotcha 01:02:56 that is quite interesting! 01:03:13 The only unit of time on which arithmetic is straightforward is the second. Even the minute is not a fixed number of seconds. 01:03:24 (the second and subunits, of course) 01:04:03 but I guess the ultimate answer to my question about adding "years" to dates is that there is no easy way, I have to take care of the edge cases - such as feburary 29th issues - myself. 01:04:26 Riastradh, okay, now you have me really intrigued 01:04:36 A minute may noit be a fixed number of seconds? 01:04:47 Well, the real point is that arithmetic is often not really what you want to do, unless you are talking about seconds. 01:05:13 Often what you want is, say, `the first day of February of next year'. 01:05:21 -!- seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-176-169-195.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:05:33 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@mail.trn.dis.titech.ac.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:05:33 Not `today being 2009-11-10, one year from today'. 01:05:46 Yes, some minutes have sixty seconds, and some have sixty-one seconds. The ones with sixty-one seconds don't happen very often. 01:06:00 Riastradh, when do they happen? 01:06:14 time space continuum 01:06:42 Once every few years. In the past ten, there have been two of them, although before that there was nearly one a year for several decades. 01:06:57 Riastradh, Okay, I think I understand what your saying. The statement "the 29th of February of next year" can be meaningless 01:07:21 in some situations 01:07:35 and a year is not a standard length 01:07:54 god i'm tired 01:07:54 so the statement "29th of feb, 2008 plus one year" is also meaningless sometimes 01:08:02 I don't know when the next sixty-one-second minute will be. The last one was in 2008. 01:08:33 looks like I'll have to do this in java 01:09:01 Now, this is in UTC. 01:09:03 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.73.161] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:09:59 There are no such minutes in TAI or UT1. 01:11:02 I guess I could do it in scheme but since I am using sisc and have the option of using java's date types, I am not going to reinvent the wheel 01:11:02 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:11:09 seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-154-174-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 01:11:45 I was wondering now. If we have define in Scheme that binds a name to an object in the current environment, what is the reason for not having the symmetric undefine that unbinds a name ? 01:29:38 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 01:29:38 01:29:38 -!- names: ccl-logbot masm Adamant seamus_android sstrickl gnomon_ eldragon rstandy splork jeapostrophe Lis thermal_ ray MarcWeber TR2N attila_lendvai dmoerner jao z0d bgs100 gnomon ada2358_ kilimanjaro jmcphers drewfer CaptainMorgan kniu leppie lisppaste eno__ REPLeffect_ mrsolo synx ASau error_developer_ Fufie antoszka jlongster metasyntax xwl__ leppie|work stepnem sladegen xwl reid05 xwl_ prince pantsd_home dfeuer Modius tjaway mornfall tizoc jyujin 01:29:38 -!- names: sad0ur cornbread Leonidas roderic tessier parduncia ve elmex p1dzkl untouchable linas Chani nowhereman schmir rmrfchik Riastradh samth nasloc__ alaricsp ecraven Poeir steiger flippo rudybot Khisanth poucet metasyntax` offby1 araujo jay-mccarthy erg r0bby j0ni XTL Kusanagi gribozavr certainty Armageddon00 brx klutometis minion ski Axioplase_ qebab eli dlouhy chandler ineiros Pepe_ tltstc mbishop joast zeroish charleyb yosafbridge michaelw 01:29:38 -!- names: sjamaan zbigniew hosh snorble Summermute66 Adrinael kazzmir emma m811 incwolf tabe`` makmanalp rotty nicktastique saccade TimMc rapacity Elly incubot _Jordan__ acieroid clog_ bohanlon guenthr duncanm elf specbot C-Keen felipe 01:37:56 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-92-224.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:52:51 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 02:06:50 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:07:07 foof [n=user@FL1-119-239-38-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 02:08:00 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 02:09:47 -!- Lis [n=Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 02:12:33 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 02:13:34 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.54.113] has joined #scheme 02:16:02 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:16:17 Am I just screwy, or is srfi/19 confusing microseconds for nanoseconds? 02:16:17 in PLT 02:17:22 (time-nanosecond (current-time)) is never above a million, even halfway through the second, so it goes from 0.0001 seconds straight to 1 second. 02:18:08 time-nanosecond goes up 5 million every half a second. hm... 02:18:43 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 02:18:49 so it's like 1/10 of a microsecond, not 1/1000 which a nanosecond really is. 02:19:35 -!- elmex [i=elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:20:47 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-ohmntqyldjtzcuuu] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:27:44 -!- metasyntax` [n=taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Nichts mehr."] 02:31:17 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@c-24-63-67-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:30 Oooooooh 02:42:37 http://golang.org 02:45:21 what's the point? 02:45:41 not seeing where it has any advantages over existing languages in any area 02:45:49 at least by reading their FAQ 02:45:52 gotta love their command names.. '5a', '6a' 02:46:17 it has the unique concept of a "goroutine" ;) 02:46:24 jonrafkind, those names are explicitly modelled after the Plan 9 compiler naming convention. 02:46:50 so their naming convention is to find the worst possible names? 02:47:04 hey, at least it's "standard" ;) 02:47:10 -!- gnomon [n=ben@216.40.38.232] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:47:12 -!- gnomon_ is now known as gnomon 02:47:13 cause everyone knows Plan 9 02:47:21 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 02:47:21 gnomon_ [n=ben@216.40.38.232] has joined #scheme 02:47:23 well, I was going to name my daughter '6a', it is a good name 02:47:35 copumpkin, the people who wrote Go sure know Plan 9. 02:47:55 Perhaps it might be worth a bit of time to go look at who's behind this language, and consider how their previous work has turned out. 02:47:58 Just sayin'. 02:48:12 lol 02:49:47 Holy doodle, Rob Pike is over in #go-lang answering questions. 02:55:02 there's noone there... 02:56:46 Er, sorry - #go-nuts 02:56:50 (I didn't choose the channel name) 03:13:00 gnomon: nice finding :) 03:13:50 plazia [n=plazia@cpc2-pete9-2-0-cust672.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 03:16:10 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-102.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:16:59 gnomon: I'm just investigating "go" myself 03:17:08 naturally I'll write my usual anagrams program in it, unless I don't. 03:25:51 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 03:30:06 offby1, neato! 03:30:31 I think I'm going to cut my losses for this evening and go to bed, because if I spend any longer on it I'll end up hacking all night. 03:42:25 offby1: hey 03:43:09 elmex [i=elmex@89.144.17.55] has joined #scheme 03:43:42 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:45:15 *jcowan* unvanishes 03:47:08 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 03:52:50 tjafk [n=timj@e176215229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:55:06 weird, google invents a language; but it invents a von neuman contraption rife with mutation: http://golang.org/ 03:55:40 eww 03:57:36 I rather like Go, actually. 03:57:48 jcowan: are you sure it isn't the in-house bias? 03:57:50 It's meant to be a C++-wounder (not -killer) 03:57:52 klutometis: Yes. 03:58:18 samth [n=samth@c-76-24-221-38.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:58:22 It may be the weird-languages bias. You can't develop in anger in Go in Google, at least not yet. 03:58:53 Anyhow, Go doesn't come from "Google", it comes from the Bell Labs Demigods Who Happen To Work There. 03:59:10 ah, interesting; thanks for the context 04:03:22 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:05:50 -!- ada2358_ [n=ada2358@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:06:59 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 04:09:00 -!- tjaway [n=timj@e176197040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:57 ada2358 [n=ada2358@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:15:45 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.28.167.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 04:17:05 -!- samth [n=samth@c-76-24-221-38.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:23:54 jcowan: It seems interesting. It's very obviously related to Limbo; in fact so much so that I'm wondering what major differences there are other than the surface syntax and the lack of Dis. 04:27:02 it looks like jabbascript 04:29:42 -!- foof [n=user@FL1-119-239-38-70.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:30:31 AFAIK Limbo didn't have a native compiler. Also I believe interfaces are new. 04:33:16 golang hasn't GC 04:33:29 it's still unimplemented 04:34:14 That's because it was born on 64-bit machines. 04:34:39 Grrrmmmmphhhh. 04:35:26 Once upon a time, when my battery ran out of juice, Mac OS X would happily go into some sort of deep sleep mode from which it would recover gracefully when I later plugged it in, and leave the state of my dozens of modified Emacs buffers intact. 04:35:50 Once upon a time. 04:36:07 Was this in PowerPC once upon a time? 04:36:36 I believe it worked on this MacBook, over a year ago anyway, before I installed Leopard. But I am not sure. 04:37:02 It may be a mere figurine^Wconfig setting. 04:37:04 (I do know that Leopard made various other things flakey, and exacerbated the problem by randomly hosing once a month, requiring a forced reboot.) 04:37:21 (That stopped about six months ago.) 04:37:36 jcowan: The native compiler bit is what I meant by "lack of Dis", though Dis is JITted. 04:37:43 *jcowan* nods. 04:37:47 jcowan: I'll look at interfaces. 04:38:47 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 04:38:47 04:38:47 -!- names: ccl-logbot mreggen ada2358 tjafk QinGW1 jcowan elmex plazia mabes gnomon_ copumpkin saccade_ jonrafkind synx Adamant seamus_android sstrickl gnomon eldragon rstandy splork jeapostrophe thermal_ ray MarcWeber TR2N dmoerner jao z0d kilimanjaro jmcphers drewfer CaptainMorgan kniu leppie lisppaste eno__ REPLeffect_ ASau error_developer_ antoszka metasyntax xwl__ leppie|work stepnem sladegen xwl reid05 xwl_ prince pantsd_home dfeuer Modius mornfall 04:38:47 -!- names: tizoc jyujin sad0ur cornbread Leonidas roderic tessier parduncia ve p1dzkl untouchable linas Chani nowhereman schmir rmrfchik Riastradh samth_away nasloc__ alaricsp ecraven Poeir steiger flippo rudybot Khisanth poucet offby1 araujo C-Keen felipe specbot elf duncanm guenthr bohanlon clog_ acieroid _Jordan__ incubot Elly rapacity TimMc saccade nicktastique rotty makmanalp tabe`` incwolf m811 emma kazzmir Adrinael Summermute66 snorble hosh 04:38:47 -!- names: zbigniew sjamaan michaelw yosafbridge charleyb zeroish joast mbishop tltstc Pepe_ jay-mccarthy erg r0bby j0ni XTL Kusanagi gribozavr certainty Armageddon00 brx klutometis minion ski Axioplase_ qebab eli dlouhy chandler ineiros 04:38:49 My only problem with that PowerBook is that one day I left it running in an unventilated room when a runaway zsh process spiked the CPU, presumably causing it to overheat and melt the hard disk. 04:39:25 Otherwise, except that this MacBook runs GCC and perhaps other things a little faster, I have been immensely more pleased by that PowerBook. 04:41:56 Does anyone make nice laptops like the PowerBook, or do they all suck these days? 04:42:16 I have never been more pleased with a laptop than with my Titanium PowerBook. I'm not sure Apple will ever make another machine like that, or anyone else for that matter. 04:42:33 Power management problems seem to be endemic to x86. 04:42:43 (This was a 12" aluminium one, from shortly after the last titanium ones were made, I believe.) 04:43:18 chandler: An interface is a type specified by a set of statically typed methods. Any object that implements all the methods implements the interface without further declaration. 04:44:32 jcowan: Interfaces look useful, but hardly earth-shattering; my overall impression is still "Limbo, but with many details polished and the compiler considerably improved". 04:46:21 Well, they provide subtyping, which Limbo IIRC did not have. Still, it's basically a conservative design; after all, C++ v1 did not contain any new ideas either. 04:46:57 I was hoping that someone would make a nice ~0 power ARM laptop with hours upon hours of battery life, but I don't want a `netbook' or `notbook' or whatever is the fashionable term for an unusably small laptop these days. 04:47:45 The main issue, I believe, is the power consumption of the wireless device, not the computer proper. 04:48:34 Well, no, the *main* issue for me at the moment is that my !@#&^%&*!%&^& MacBook just lost the state of dozens of modified Emacs buffers. 04:49:46 I meant the main issue in creating such a device as you describe. 04:50:11 This MacBook heats up pretty quickly, though; only about 15% of the CPU need be in use before the fan will shortly begin to spin up. So it's not just the radio transmitter. 04:55:54 -!- seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-154-174-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:56:42 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 04:58:04 i have never been able to get used to any laptops 05:01:14 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:01:55 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit ["Leaving."] 05:01:58 -!- plazia [n=plazia@cpc2-pete9-2-0-cust672.4-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:03:49 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 05:06:22 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:07:59 seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-154-174-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 05:14:37 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [] 05:17:46 fanatico [n=fanatico@64.180.60.237] has joined #scheme 05:19:21 leppie|work, do you have a recliner? 05:21:16 is that some kind of chair? 05:21:28 yes, a chair that reclines 05:21:42 i.e, your feet are up and your torso is back 05:22:13 nope, the closest I got is a couch 05:22:18 or bed 05:22:42 laptop+recliner is the most comfortable position ive experienced 05:22:47 or a highback office chair that swivels, and reclines a little 05:23:15 I cant type on the damned things, and then that silly finger pad things... 05:23:31 ha, well some have the little button you can push 05:24:56 -!- fanatico [n=fanatico@64.180.60.237] has left #scheme 05:25:25 tried that too... 05:25:43 i need fat buttons to hammer on 05:43:11 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:43:40 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:44:54 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:46:34 -!- mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:47:54 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:49:11 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 05:55:26 -!- prince [n=prince@203.246.179.177] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:55:41 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 06:03:16 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:03:53 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 06:08:40 QinGW2 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 06:10:42 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:11:24 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 06:12:12 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:13:44 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit ["off"] 06:17:19 -!- leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-ptlwiohddpjfjssj] has quit ["Page closed"] 06:17:58 -!- eldragon [n=eldragon@84.79.67.254] has left #scheme 06:21:19 pantsd_h1me [n=holden@174-21-133-132.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 06:27:03 Daemmerung [n=goetter@216.231.59.183] has joined #scheme 06:32:25 -!- splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 06:32:52 splork [n=ben@dsl092-075-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 06:33:40 *Daemmerung* scored on abebooks.com 06:35:59 -!- seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-154-174-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:36:16 Two years ago (or was it three?) I put in a request for the Elsevier volume containing the classic Friedman/Felleisen "Control operators, the SECD-machine, and the lambda-calculus" paper. Tonight I finally landed that rare fish. Not entire sure that I /care/ any more, but maybe I'll care again once I get to read it. 06:36:20 seamus_android [n=alistair@host86-176-169-195.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 06:37:48 leppie|work [i=52d2e3c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-crgnemypyjktoqqy] has joined #scheme 06:37:55 -!- pantsd_home [n=holden@174-21-135-49.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 06:43:43 You would have thought Google would Google "Go" before stealing another language's name: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9 06:49:46 And if they think it is hard to search "Go", maybe they should not name a language in a way that is impossible to search for. 07:05:12 like scheme? :) 07:06:31 leppie|work: http://www.sewickleygo.com/images/go-game.jpg 07:06:33 MichaelRaskin: says the man on the #scheme channel 07:08:34 mmmdonuts [n=mmmdonut@69.182.107.35] has joined #scheme 07:08:55 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 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It should be back up in the morning, US Eastern time. 09:11:45 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:11:54 lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:11:57 -!- reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:12:05 reid05 [n=reid85@CPE001cdf73661f-CM001ceacec55e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 09:17:29 Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #scheme 09:17:52 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 09:30:02 -!- lolcow [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:32:06 benebioglu [n=benebiog@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has joined #scheme 09:34:35 hey 09:34:39 -!- benebioglu is now known as hellyeah 09:34:42 -!- jao [n=jao@202.Red-83-43-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:34:54 let say i have two list 09:35:01 and an empty list 09:35:40 i want to check elements of this two lists and according two less or bigger issue i want to send element two third list 09:35:49 is it possible to do with two foldr 09:36:21 , try something that is but this doesnt work 09:36:22 (foldr(lambda(x) (foldr(lambda(y z) (if (> x y) (append (x z)))) '(6 9 11 4) '())) '(4 5 6 7)) 09:36:27 i have two problems 09:36:47 i dont find what i can write to function parameter of foldr 09:37:03 if i find suitable function is it true 09:38:01 just one foldl should do it hellyeah. 09:38:01 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:38:38 assuming you want to compare elements of two separate lists, and return the bigger elements as a result list. 09:39:06 (foldl (lambda (item1 item2 result) ...) list1 list2) 09:39:34 whenever I have to use foldr that's a sign I'm "doing it wrong". 09:40:35 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:44:51 Why? 09:45:08 How do you aggregate items on list? 09:45:17 E.g. find maximal element. 09:48:32 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-43-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:52:19 ASau: (foldl max (car l) l) 09:52:40 (apply max l) works too 09:52:49 Ah, "foldr"... 09:53:02 yeah, sorry meant to specify... 09:53:18 What about function composition? 09:53:25 It doesn't bind left. ;) 09:53:55 (foldl 0 (lambda(x1 x2 x3) (let ((x2 (car l1))) (if (> x1 x2) (append x1 x3))) l1 l2 l3)) 09:53:58 uh... compose 09:54:03 how about this this couldnt work 09:54:13 i can make this work ? 09:54:57 hellyeah: you need to get your head on straight first. define the problem clearly and calmly. 09:57:09 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:58:49 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 09:58:58 FlunkyFoob [n=FlunkyFo@W8842.w.pppool.de] has joined #scheme 10:00:54 hellyeah: map 10:01:23 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit ["Leaving."] 10:01:28 (map (lambda (a b) (if (> a b) a b)) list1 list2) 10:01:58 rudybot:eval (map (lambda (a b) (if (> a b) a b)) '(4 3 2 1) '(1 2 3 4)) 10:01:58 leppie|work: your sandbox is ready 10:01:58 leppie|work: ; Value: (4 3 3 4) 10:02:16 or 10:02:23 rudybot:eval (map max '(4 3 2 1) '(1 2 3 4)) 10:02:24 leppie|work: ; Value: (4 3 3 4) 10:03:07 rudybot: (max 1 2) 10:03:07 ASau: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 10:03:16 rudybot: eval (max 1 2) 10:03:17 ASau: your sandbox is ready 10:03:17 ASau: ; Value: 2 10:03:55 leppie|work: bad habit coming from toy languages that don't have "max" function :) 10:04:01 leppie|work, 10:04:08 it must be 1 2 3 4 10:04:36 hellyeah: I dont understand the requirement then 10:04:53 example we have '(3 5 6 2) ,(0 15 12 2) -> 0 2 3 5 6 12 15 10:05:13 you want them sorted and distinct 10:05:18 yeah 10:05:24 im sure scheme has sort 10:05:34 let say i have l1 l2 l3 then l3 is empty 10:05:35 now just figure out disticnt 10:05:49 compare l1 l2 then two the element two l3 10:05:59 throw* 10:06:05 this is just simple set theory 10:06:13 and i wonder is it possible to make one or two foldr 10:06:53 why do you want to use fold? (i rarely do use those, unfortunately) 10:07:12 someone asks a question to me 10:07:19 and i said i dont know 10:07:22 ok 10:07:27 but i will be carious 10:07:38 and i am gonna work on this problem because of that 10:08:22 i cant think of a way from the top of my head, but I am sure there can be a way 10:09:12 actually i know a way 10:09:18 but i cant find how it works 10:09:25 let say we have two list 10:09:37 compare first element of l1 with whole l2 10:10:12 then condition car l1 bigger car l2 then two element l3 10:10:44 car l2 bigger than whole l1 two the element of l2 to l3 10:11:06 and when you throw one element to l3 delete the element from list 10:11:16 i hope you understand my way 10:12:56 you dont understand i guess let tell again 10:13:44 we have two lists l1 '(2 6 1 9) l2 '(3 1 4 5) and l3 is empty list 10:14:07 first step compare first element of the list l1 with whole l2 10:14:11 i dunno, i give up! 10:14:17 okey sorry 10:14:17 :D 10:14:35 leppie [n=lolcow@41.243.43.173] has joined #scheme 10:14:49 I don't understand the goal. 10:14:59 What the task is exactly? 10:17:24 ASau: make a distinct list, then sort it as far as I can understand 10:17:37 ASau: but using fold 10:18:03 Why fold?? 10:18:25 Well... Not that it is imposible, that remains to be seen. 10:21:02 ASau, 10:21:09 my friend asks me a question 10:21:19 i am carous about this question 10:21:25 because i dont know a way 10:21:42 Tell him/her to find better way to spend time. 10:21:52 ahahahaha 10:22:12 Seriously, you don't need it. 10:22:50 okey 10:23:24 If you want to sort list and throw duplicates off, there're better ways to do it. 10:23:39 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@41.243.43.173] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:31:13 leppie [n=lolcow@41.243.43.173] has joined #scheme 10:32:57 ASau, 10:33:01 like what ? 10:33:25 Like simply sort lists, merge them and throw off duplicates. 10:36:05 schmir` [n=schmir@p54A91A3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 10:36:06 '(1 2 2 3) , '(1 5 4 2) -> '(1 1 2 2 2 3 4 5) this accptable 10:36:10 (defun test (a b) (delete-duplicates (sort (append a b) '<))) 10:36:29 (test '(2 6 1 9) '(3 1 4 5)) => (1 2 3 4 5 6 9) 10:37:02 Sorry, I don't want to implement it in Scheme or 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#scheme is a quiet desert landscape today! 16:57:21 Everyone working on their homework? :-) Totally joking. Back in the day, nearly the only folks hacking scheme were students in classes using scheme. 16:58:06 leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-146-247-tvwt-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:00:13 Stupid question on scheme syntax - comments. So we have inherited Lisp's '--' single line comment, but then we have #| based multiline comments - no syntactic relationship between the two, which is pretty weird compared to most languages. Think of say, '--' for single line and '{-' for multi, or of course, '//' and '/* */'. With so many folks revising scheme over so many years, one would think comments would have been better rationalized earlier in the 17:01:12 cut off at earlier in the ... 17:01:36 Sorry, I always do that - Think of say, '--' for single line and '{-' for multi, or of course, '//' and '/* */'. With so many folks revising scheme over so many years, one would think comments would have been better rationalized earlier in the process. 17:01:43 Help? 17:01:45 Are you confusing Pascal and Scheme? 17:02:11 -- is not a scheme comment is it? I think you mean ;; 17:02:26 No, pascal is (* *) - I spent some quality years with lightspeed and then turbo pascal :-) 17:03:05 Oh no, '--' was just an alternative from other langs. didn't want to just make the C lang comparison. make sense? 17:03:30 Rarely, in general. And not at all in this particular case. 17:03:31 Summermute: well my editor can easily comment or uncomment multiple lines, why introduce another syntax for comments other than a single ';'? 17:03:55 chandler: rarely "what"? 17:04:10 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:04:11 You rarely make sense. 17:04:14 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176215229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:05:13 Um, making a simple comment on lexical structure may not be of great importance, but is far from incoherent. 17:05:58 BTW, last think I want to do is kvetch with you, because you're a smart guy and I respect you (as far as #irc identity goes) 17:06:22 You should see him in real life! Brain the size of a planet, &c. 17:06:33 :-) 17:07:19 rouslan_ [n=Rouslan@pool-70-109-151-129.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 17:07:37 Summermute: I'm not sure what language you're talking about, and I'm not sure what the difference between using ';' for line comments and '#| |#' for block comments and using '//' for line comments and '/* */' for block comments, except that the latter doesn't nest. 17:07:57 -!- rouslan_ [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has left #scheme 17:08:03 Anyway, in sum, my observation is still that pairing ';' and '#| |#' is nearly certainly not how I'd fashion comments in the design of a programming language. (And yes, my editor makes it easy to, so I don't mind so much) 17:08:34 I discovered recently that #| ... |# behaves very badly not only with editor support for it and |...|, but also with |...| symbols in general. 17:08:36 For what it's worth, I rarely use block comments. I much more frequently use '#;' expression comments. 17:09:09 I don't remember what the context was, but I had occasion to have symbols with octothorpes in their names, written literally. 17:09:32 #; expression comments are new fangled to me - I must explore. 17:09:38 And for some reason I was using block comments, probably to match the style of the surrounding code. 17:09:58 That was pretty baffling until I scrutinized the text I had actually commented. 17:09:59 Riastradh: Interesting. Can you give an example? (I have one of those example minded minds). 17:10:25 #| (list '|#foo|) |# 17:10:47 The reason that #| ... |# behaves poorly with editor support is that Emacs' syntax highlighting is a malignant tumor lacking in design or fitness for purpose. It doesn't need to be so horrible. 17:10:58 That's not the only reason, chandler. 17:11:18 Out on a limb, but looks like a parser error rather than an actual lang lex specification error. 17:11:34 Careful. You'll fall off. 17:11:50 ;-) 17:11:59 Its S-expression parser -- which is unworthy of the level of scorn fit for Font Lock -- doesn't know how to treat them well either. 17:12:32 Nonetheless, it is possible to handle them properly, and it has been done. 17:12:53 Yes, but in lieu of M-x comment-dwim and of S-expression comments, I don't think block comments are really worth using. 17:12:56 Anyway, shouldn't the quote in '| invalidate |# as a comment terminator? 17:13:03 No. 17:13:26 Aha! 17:15:07 I think I remember the context now. I was futzing with the Twobit benchmarks to try to get them to run in MIT Scheme. But now I can't find the link to the actual source code; is very cleverly designed to conceal the source code as well as a purloined letter. 17:15:21 In an actual expression editor, I would use the equivalent of an expression comment of a string literal as a replacement for block comments. 17:15:26 Well, as a reader macro, what IS ' supposed to do in this situation, (quote |#foo#|) as a symbol? 17:15:45 In this situation, ' means nothing. It's just part of the text of the comment. 17:16:33 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/will/Larceny/LarcenyReleases/larceny-0.97-src.tar.gz 17:16:55 So essentially a "nesting" of a nest-comment starter. 17:16:57 No, mejja, I distinctly remember finding a tarball containing just the benchmarks. 17:17:18 Just the `fake R6RS' benchmarks, specifically. 17:17:20 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/yaq2d9n 17:17:29 rudybot: lag much? 17:17:29 chandler: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 17:18:43 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:20:08 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 17:20:11 What's up with Larceny these days? Is Larceny more or less the "speed demon" of the bunch? 17:20:34 I don't think any Scheme system deserves the epithet `speed demon'. 17:21:30 True enough. Let's say, "donkey baseball champion" (kind of a country/suburban USA reference I guess) 17:21:39 You have completely lost me. 17:22:46 How' Larceny performance comparing with other scheme compilers these days. I recall reading some interesting benchmarks a year or more ago, but they were on the Larceny site, I believe. 17:23:23 I don't know. All I was trying to do was to find some code to run to measure general performance -- not to compare different Scheme systems, but to compare a single variable in a single Scheme system. 17:23:44 my strategy: use plt. keep in mind that you can use something else if you ever find plt isn't fast enough 17:24:18 Meaning, without demeaning the character of any member of the Larceny team, the benchmarks have less credibility than if designed and executed by a third party (even, say the Gabriel Benchmarks are easily tweaked) 17:24:49 -!- hellyeah [n=benebiog@hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:15 eli: drscheme is fontifying "call-with-input-file" as if it's syntax, not a procedure 17:25:18 I assumed that there would be some nice package to run with a nice shell script or Scheme load script for multiple different Scheme systems, which would run out of the box and then present a nice report, &c. That was pretty silly of me to assume; consequently, bias aside, I'm disinclined to pay any attention whatsoever to the numbers they present. 17:25:39 (the Twobit benchmarks, the Gambit benchmarks, &c.) 17:25:45 I guess Gambit had such a thing some time ago. 17:25:58 Riastradh: larceny-0.97-src/test/Benchmarking/CrossPlatform/ 17:27:26 neilv: That's exactly what I do. Back at Harvard in the '80's someone had spray painted "convenience kills" on the way to to freshman cafeteria. Still true today :-) PLT is just too darn easy to use, find docs, get advice, find examples, find libraries, debug just about anything, and on and on and on. 17:27:52 plus plt has nice tools and a large and very active community 17:28:02 large, as scheme goes 17:28:13 Good grief! 17:28:21 Yeah, that was my way oververbose way of saying what you said :-) 17:28:26 apologies to riastradh 17:28:28 There's a huge script to parse the output of the user interface operations to present timing reports, mejja. 17:28:35 Hmm? 17:29:03 ./bench -c keep -r 3 -s r6rs mit fib 17:29:30 oh, nevermind. i do feel a little awkward plugging plt here, when there are other schemes that are superior in some ways. i just think plt is a good default for people 17:32:25 mejja, doesn't work. 17:32:28 I frequently have those "waking dreams" that someone who matters decides to add Larceny to PLT to produce fast, standalone executables once a program is all nice and put together :-) 17:32:34 /usr/bin/time: illegal option -- c 17:32:34 usage: time [-lp] command. 17:32:34 Running... 17:32:34 bench: line 466: -heap: command not found 17:37:04 mejja, I said a `nice' shell script. 17:37:35 So is this some kind of Larceny vs. MIT Scheme shootout on a benchmark? We need some "well endowed" young pretty lady to wave the checkered flag :-) 17:37:39 No... 17:38:35 This is a `does dedicating a register on the x86-64 for storing return values affect performance?' benchmark. One Scheme system, one variable -- something that can be actually meaningful to throw a lot of general code at. 17:38:47 (Currently return values are stored in memory.) 17:39:09 Even cooler! 17:39:37 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@208.87.217.194] has quit [] 17:39:47 Summermute: The problem with slogans like "convenience kills" is that they can be easily misunderstood -- in this case you end up sending contradictory complaints ("plt is too convenient" & "plt has bugs"), instead of the closer to the real intention of "get off your ass and get something done". 17:40:02 This is just like reggae music -- all too often I find it bombastically annoying in shouting big-sounding but utterly empty phrases sentences. 17:40:34 I'm surprised, even on a relatively register started x86, I'd put the first return value (in a mvals supporting sytem) in eax. 17:42:57 The way the compiler is set up, the return value register can't be allocated for any other purpose. 17:43:19 eli: personal note; I'm sick for the last few years and pretty much a shut in. Frankly, I admit it makes me chatty on the rare occasions I get to communicate with real people. I have absolutely no intentions to offend. And I just love PLT (even though I'm still waiting for typed-scheme fixes :-) 17:43:33 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 17:44:52 Summermute: The nice thing is that you can still get things done... 17:45:05 (And no offence taken, btw.) 17:45:14 Riastradh: refresh my memory - how many more-or-less general purpose registers are provided on x86-64? 17:45:54 eli: Thanks the Lord computers/software are my passion and not playing rugby :-) 17:46:15 Anywhere from eight to fourteen, depending on what you count as general-purpose. 17:46:25 No, more like anywhere from ten to fourteen. 17:46:37 Or maybe nine to fourteen. 17:48:19 The ones that are certainly general-purpose are rbx and r8-r15. Whether rax, rcx, and rdx are general-purpose is up to interpretation (for example, integer multiplication works on rax and rbx; the shift, rotate, &c., counts, must be in rcx; not all addressing modes work on rsp or rbp, and neither those nor rsi nor rdi may be used for byte-size addressing, and so on). 17:48:27 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49:06 ada2358_ [n=ada2358@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:49:19 Even 8 isn't too bad. And with 14, heck, i might have a dedicated 0, dedicated free list pointer (well, depending on lots of mem organization things), X registers for a pseudo-list of &rest args (scheme . args). 17:50:10 Way too messy instruction set, as to be expected. 17:51:20 (Integer multiplication works on rax and rdx, rather, not rbx.) 17:51:28 Unless some of the crippled registers did something like copy memory at the speed of light, I'd likely use them for, i guess, dedicated word/dword addressing registers. 17:53:28 -!- wingo [n=wingo@c83-248-193-11.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:53:38 timj [n=timj@e176215229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 17:54:53 Like the dynamic chain of exception/unwind protect handlers, even a gc or thread switch safety flag or something. 17:55:07 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #scheme 17:55:41 Riastradh: How in the heck does one write a register allocator with an irregular set of registers like that? 17:57:12 wingo [n=wingo@c83-248-193-11.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:57:42 And in addition to the gift of a decent number of registers, one would imagine that AMD would bless us with a more uniform set of per-register capabilities. What, is there a shortage of silicon these days? 18:00:06 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@login-linux.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:01:03 Riastradh: Like isn't the bit shift counts in rcx an ancient legacy from, well, ancient x86 architecture? 18:01:17 Yes. 18:04:06 To me that's just freaky given the amount of (mostly memory mgmt, fixnum, etc.) bit twiddling going on in modern applications and their runtime systems. 18:04:46 the answer, by the way, is a technique called precoloring 18:05:11 (well, and having your register allocator ask your machine backend 'will this operation need to use any particular registers?') 18:05:23 Elly: I presume you mean register allocation via some variant on graph coloring? 18:05:42 then the backend says 'oh, that's a shift, pretend it kills rcx' and then the backend, when emitting actual machine code, emits a move into rcx and a shift 18:05:49 yes, I do 18:06:02 also, it is time for me to shower 18:06:04 *Elly* -> 18:07:27 Many thanks. Sounds logical and a pretty big pain in the ass for what is already a hard part of compiler writing. And definitely go clean up :-) 18:09:29 chandler, El Reg reports: `...and the back-and-forth between the Justices and competing counsel [in the Bilski case] hinted that their decision will result in relatively minor changes to existing law....That said, attempting to predict a decision by the Supremes based on their comments during in-court arguments is a risky business.' Gee, it's almost like they read the #scheme logs... 18:09:50 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:10:35 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:10:43 -!- mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:13:56 psc_bw [n=psc_bw@vpn.breakwater.com] has joined #scheme 18:17:49 mario-goulart [n=user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 18:18:24 Riastradh: http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/repo/.cgit.cgi/Gambit/plain/misc/bench.tgz 18:18:26 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/ylosqgw 18:19:12 -!- wingo [n=wingo@c83-248-193-11.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:20:45 poe [n=poe@unaffiliated/poe] has joined #scheme 18:28:45 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:31:40 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-102.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit ["..."] 18:48:00 -!- MononcQc 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