00:00:09 whine whine 00:00:17 and there are wolves after me 00:00:27 I hope not. 00:00:36 And anyway, who's the whiner here, you or me? 00:00:42 *offby1* glances around nervously. 00:00:55 *jcowan* stares blankly. 00:00:58 Not 100% right channel for this, but how do I get emacs to indent scheme code 2 spaces for every level? 00:02:43 And yes, I'm in scheme mode 00:03:19 I probably know that. Hold on 00:04:08 OK, I give up; I don't know that. 00:04:24 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:09:15 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 00:11:12 cky [n=cky@166.165.137.220] has joined #scheme 00:14:57 jcowan, I neglected to add about riaxpander that it is much more flexible, both in its internals and in using it (e.g., to generate some internal format for code such as MIT Scheme's scode, rather than S-expressions). 00:15:13 *jcowan* will look into it. 00:16:07 chandler, `Chez exists in a free (Petite) form, which is really no different [from] the other free implementations.' Petite Chez does not let you read or hack its source code. That's a major difference. 00:16:31 He was talking about it being no different in terms of receiving no support. 00:17:00 I see. 00:18:04 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:18:14 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-235.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 00:18:44 And therefore it was meaningless on my part to say that Chez did not support R6RS but Ikarus did. 00:18:47 s/did not/did not yet 00:26:13 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.129] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:41:00 mabes [n=mabes@bmabey.fttp.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 00:41:29 liufeng [n=user@wi-secure-1594.cc.umanitoba.ca] has joined #scheme 00:41:54 -!- liufeng [n=user@wi-secure-1594.cc.umanitoba.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:02 liufeng [n=user@wi-secure-1594.cc.umanitoba.ca] has joined #scheme 00:44:12 -!- liufeng [n=user@wi-secure-1594.cc.umanitoba.ca] has left #scheme 00:44:45 Elly: There's nothing wrong with defining and providing a `the-class' global -- if you require it later with (dynamic-require "some-file" 'the-class) there is no mess that you'll be accumulating into your own code's global namespace. 00:45:36 Elly: Also, see the sources of rudybot for a way to get a dynamic reloading mechanism that will reload a newer version of the file if it becomes newer while the bot is working. 00:47:40 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@209.131.62.113] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:47:44 *rudybot* clanks happily 00:52:55 *minion* thinks rudybot is far too happy 00:53:28 -!- masm [n=masm@bl7-199-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:53:43 *eli* calls the bot police 00:54:14 -!- kenpp [n=kenpp@188-221-10-184.zone12.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:00:17 -!- jao [n=jao@22.Red-213-98-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:01:49 incubot: eeeooow-eeoweeoweeow! 01:03:34 sladegen: I think he meant "police what police bots", not "police who am bots". 01:09:04 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-133-246.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:09:17 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 01:10:16 incubot: who are funspoilers? 01:10:47 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 01:11:18 incubot: Who is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me? 01:11:22 Lisp in Small Pieces > Harry Potter => http://bayimg.com/mafHaAabh 01:12:06 fair enough. 01:14:47 ecyrb annotated #88952 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88952#1 01:15:43 sstrickl [n=sstrickl@pool-129-44-182-54.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:16:51 do any of you ever go to that ycombinator site? 01:17:07 What's the idea of that site? Just a general forum for people who are into computer science? 01:17:08 Dunno if anyone is around from when I posted earlier, but that's supposed to find the nth internal subtree using DFS 01:17:34 (hopefully more schemeized) 01:19:51 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 01:20:01 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:20:30 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:20:52 ecyrb: You may come to discover that we Schemers tend to stick around. 01:21:04 any comments then? 01:22:45 ecyrb: For starters, I think it needs a beta-conversion. 01:23:01 I have absolutely no idea what that means. 01:24:11 Replace uses of `descend' inside the binding with `attempt2', then replace the final call with its definition. 01:24:21 chandler: Why do you want to turn (let-syntax ([foo (identifier-syntax 13)]) (define-syntax foo (identifier-syntax 12)) foo) => 13? I'm pretty sure that 12 would be the "right" answer if you are not going to raise an error. 01:24:22 In other words, the inner define here is useless. 01:24:52 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has quit ["Client exiting"] 01:25:06 arcfide: It's language-lawyering: by 5.2 "Every mention of an identifier refers to the binding of the identifier that establishes the innermost of the regions containing the use." 01:25:17 Oh yes, that's pretty obvious. 01:25:21 The innermost region here is the region established by `let-syntax'. 01:25:25 ecyrb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus#Reduction 01:25:36 Every definition establishes a new lexical region for the identifier/keyword it is binding. 01:26:13 Otherwise, (define-syntax foo (syntax-rules [(_) (foo "blah")] [(_ x) x])) may not work. 01:26:17 The region of the inner `define-syntax' is the region of the body forms surrounding the `let-syntax'. This is what's odd about the definition of splicing. 01:26:29 As it doesn't now in Ikarus, in this case. 01:26:57 Which contradicts 11.mumble, as I pointed out. 01:27:03 Analogous to DEFINE, it wouldn't make sense for the 'a' in (define a ---) not to be visible in the ---. 01:27:14 Once again, it's not in some cases in Ikarus. 01:27:20 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:27:30 Yes, but isn't your point that Ikarus is broken here? 01:27:51 Right. Which is why I go off onto the bit about internal inconsistency in the R6RS. 01:28:25 ecyrb annotated #88952 "attempt 2b" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88952#2 01:28:53 chandler: You seem to be agreeing with Ikarus' model of R6RS, and then concluding that R6RS is inconsistent. I'm thinking that Ikarus is the one inconsistent, and that the R6RS, in this case, does make sense. 01:30:23 arcfide: In a sense, yes. I see where Aziz is arguing from, but just because you can apply the requirements of the R6RS locally in one case without conflict does not meant that the requirements do not lead to a contradiction in general. I conclude that the authors of the R6RS did not think about this case, and if they had, they almost certainly would have made it an error as I'd like it to be. 01:30:42 Any attempt to fix this will ultimately lead to some kind of strangeness. 01:30:53 Er, attempt to "fix" this without making it an error. 01:30:55 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:31:07 ecyrb: I'm afraid I don't have any more comments, as I'm incapable of reading `do' loops. 01:31:23 yeah, I'm not thrilled with DO syntax 01:31:48 ecyrb: Try others. 01:32:25 What would "others" be in R6RS? 01:33:04 When in doubt, there's a syntax named let. 01:33:52 chandler: I think it makes more sense to argue that the LET-SYNTAX is capable of shadowing bindings, in the way that a LET does, but it does not create a new region, or scope, and this is what makes this case illegal. The first case that Aziz lists is fine, because the LET-SYNTAX shadows that binding inside of the body of the LET-SYNTAX, but the second doesn't, because the DEFINE-SYNTAX internal to the LET-SYNTAX body tries to e 01:33:52 environment (though the same region) that already contains the identifier. 01:34:16 "tries to e environment"? 01:34:40 chandler: Tries to expand in an extended environment... 01:34:43 arcfide: Unfortunately, the actual wording of the R6RS does not support this view as I had originally thought. 01:34:53 chandler: Which wording do you reference? 01:35:04 I'm looking at Chapter 10 and the definitions of LET-SYNTAX. 01:35:12 Descriptions, rather. 01:35:15 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:16 "Each binding of a has the
s as its region." 01:35:21 11.18 01:35:24 Okay. 01:35:26 That's fine. 01:35:34 So there's clearly some region-ness going on here. 01:35:46 Once again, I'm not very happy with the R6RS as a specification. 01:35:48 I think there is a little terminology confusion in the R6RS, to be sure. 01:36:03 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 01:36:39 They seem to provide essentially two descriptions of what it means to be lexically scoped: one in the discussion of what it means to be a block-structured language (5.3), and another in the library document when discussing `syntax-case', formalized in terms of marks and antimarks. 01:37:14 -!- seamus_android [n=alistair@212.183.134.131] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:37:39 Neither is precise enough to be helpful in understanding how these forms should be treated. 01:39:48 -!- Poeir_ is now known as Poeir 01:40:00 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:40:29 ecyrb, you again wrote (do ((found ) ...) ... (set! found )). You can rewrite that as (do ((found ) ...) ...). 01:41:07 ecyrb, that said, it would be much clearer if written without DO. 01:41:10 The update of found uses the car of branches.... which could be empty 01:41:30 So does the update of BRANCHES. 01:41:47 What isn't much clearer if written without DO (except maybe classical indexed loops)? 01:42:34 So how would I go about writing this without DO? 01:43:27 Write a recursive procedure, ecyrb. 01:43:40 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:43:46 jcowan, mostly I use DO for just that purpose: simple indexed loops. 01:43:48 You could use a fancy whiz-bang iteration macro, or you could just start with (let loop ((branches ...) (num-found ...) (found ...)) ...) 01:44:03 (That was for ecyrb.) 01:44:20 It was considering that that I realized that Flopsy needed macro support. 01:44:45 ecyrb, to be precise, write a recursive procedure that, given a list of branches and a number of elements so far, either finds the element in the subsequent branches, or returns the total number of elements in the branches (again, returning multiple values (or a pair as you have done here)). 01:44:46 You weren't planning on having `syntax-rules'? Shame on you. 01:45:27 Well, as a first pass, no. 01:45:47 Shame! 01:45:51 Boo! 01:45:58 Nothing says the first release has to be the last release, hey? 01:46:35 Says so in the book sitting right here on my desk, jcowan. 01:48:18 (Book's title is `AMPAD -- 100% RECYCLED', with a couple of logos to the left and to the right.) 01:49:53 ecyrb, also, COND is usually indented with all the clauses aligned at the left. 01:50:22 NOOOO! Just when Apple was correcting its mistake we get: http://icculus.org/fatelf/ 01:50:38 ...and ELSE clauses are indented just like procedure calls, i.e. with one space if the first subform is on the next line, or with six (opening round, E, L, S, E, space) if it is on the same line. 01:51:29 style guide link? 01:51:37 01:52:07 Perfect. 01:55:33 -!- cky [n=cky@166.165.137.220] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:56:45 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:58:04 The trick is to make sure the last release does not precede the first release. 02:00:13 jonrafkind [n=jon@98.202.86.149] has joined #scheme 02:02:56 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-14-79.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:04:50 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 02:09:06 _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #scheme 02:09:22 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:13:19 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 02:24:34 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-133-246.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:28:58 Summermute [n=scott@c-76-114-212-247.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:30:17 arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-13-158.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:34:53 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #scheme 02:35:48 schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:37:31 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:48:37 -!- arcfide [i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-13-158.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:49:15 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:51:11 -!- xwl [n=user@125.34.171.60] has left #scheme 02:52:38 tjaway [n=timj@e176198186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:00:03 ecyrb annotated #88952 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88952#3 03:00:41 Anyone around to comment? 03:01:04 ecyrb, hmm, why do you seem to be excluding atoms (whatever atoms are, exactly)? 03:01:09 If it had a title I might have bothered to look :) 03:02:37 Sorry, an atom is anything that's not a pair and not null 03:03:05 It's used many times in "The Little Schemer" 03:03:38 I guess the title could be "internal-node-tree-ref attempt 3" 03:04:22 An atom is anything that's not a pair, *including* (). 03:04:30 ecyrb, you may find it useful to assume that Riastradh has read the literature and that his question is designed to prompt you to explain your understanding of the concept, and that this is aimed at making some deeper point. 03:04:37 Then again, you may not. Who knows? 03:04:41 (define (atom? x) (not (pair? x))) 03:04:49 *gnomon* hands ecyrb an inflated paper bag 03:05:37 *gnomon* finds an empty mayonnaise jar and un-empties it for the evening 03:05:50 I thought you hated mayonnaise, gnomon. 03:05:59 ...wait, what? 03:06:01 He didn't say what he un-emptied it with. 03:06:13 Well, "The Little Schemer" is an introductory book, and I'm not sure if an atom is a common term...? 03:06:31 OK, note to self: If ever at gnomon's place, don't look inside the mayonnaise jars. 03:07:00 ecyrb, `atom' is a common term for a general structure of elementary particles, of which most known matter is composed. 03:07:14 I had that one coming 03:07:37 ecyrb, it is also a common term by which Lisp novices are often confused by its plethora of random definitions in the Lisp world, none of which is particularly useful. 03:08:31 s/by which/concerning which/1 03:09:01 .oO( why do we still say atomic instead of quarkic? ) 03:09:49 _The Little Schemer_ has one definition; jcowan offered another; still another might be synonymous with what some Lisp systems call `immediate objects', which are an implementation detail of the representation of objects (e.g., some integers might be immediate, but some others might not be). 03:10:01 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176195099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:10:10 In any case, you are welcome to use _The Little Schemer_'s definition while reading it. 03:11:54 Oh, and I'm excluding atoms because I'm looking for the nth non-leaf node. 03:12:32 or rather, non-leaf subtree 03:13:20 leeews [n=liyang@53.46.113.131.in-addr.arpa] has joined #scheme 03:13:26 I like attempt3 more than the earlier attempts (getting rid of DO was a good idea), but it still doesn't seem very elegant... 03:14:04 obviously I can or the first 2 clauses together 03:15:53 Riastradh: So The Little Schemer uses a non-CL definition of atom? 03:20:49 Summermute66 [n=scott@c-76-114-212-247.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:01 Anyway, I'm done for the night. Thank you all for the help. 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The rest of them will] 09:44:32 -!- foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-45-189.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:44:36 foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-45-189.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 10:02:03 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-241-175-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 10:02:43 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-168-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 10:04:39 -!- foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-45-189.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:04:43 foof [n=user@FL1-118-110-45-189.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 10:08:17 Arelius: there was a link some days ago on reddit, but it's impossible to find anything on that site. 10:12:18 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-241-175-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:13:55 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:20:01 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-241-175-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 10:20:58 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-241-175-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection 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said it. 17:03:10 chandler: dont rush Aziz into fixes! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ikarus/+bug/456473 17:03:36 and I was going to make a release today :( 17:04:04 would have been exactly 1 year IronScheme was in beta 17:04:55 *leppie* sings: tiiiiiiiiiime is on my siiiddee 17:05:16 The cause of the problem is that you are using the pile of unremitting and needless complexity known as `psyntax'... 17:05:38 no comment 17:05:39 :) 17:11:20 -!- masm [n=masm@bl9-114-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:12:34 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:17:33 -!- bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 17:18:12 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:19:00 leppie: Yow. Not my fault; psyntax is utterly incomprehensible, so it's no surprise that it's not generally possible to fix one problem without causing another. 17:19:40 thesnowdog_ [i=thesnowd@114.73.53.214] has joined #scheme 17:34:35 I'm trying not to be smug about riaxpander; maybe someone can break it so that I am less inclined to feel smug about it. 17:38:28 -!- thesnowdog [i=thesnowd@114.73.161.136] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43:22 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 17:46:31 borism [n=boris@195.50.199.134] has joined #scheme 17:53:32 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-vsptwlivrcnwsact] has joined #scheme 17:53:44 albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has joined #scheme 18:00:13 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:10:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:11:13 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:14:03 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:14:32 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:15:15 poe [n=poe@unaffiliated/poe] has joined #scheme 18:29:41 emma [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-jwzvhhzwtghwyihn] has joined #scheme 18:30:31 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@80.203.225.86] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:30:59 hey does PLT scheme not have a 'runtime' procedure? 18:31:13 I'm doing an SICP problem where it expects something called 'runtime' 18:32:02 emma: plt has a SICP language included, maybe it is defined in there? 18:32:13 (It's not included, but it is available.) 18:32:46 yeah I couldn't get that SICP lang going from behind this firewall. 18:32:56 it won't let me connect to planet for some reason. 18:33:01 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-180-57.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 18:34:22 sernin [n=sernin@c-24-14-190-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:34:22 emma: What is it supposed to do? 18:35:05 eli: runtime would return the amount of time that was spent on a procedure 18:35:14 I'll put it on a pastebin so you can see what it should do. 18:35:52 emma: You can just use (time ) 18:36:06 rudybot: eval (time (* 20 30)) 18:36:06 eli: ; Value: 600 18:36:07 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 18:37:57 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:39:48 SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has joined #scheme 18:39:56 eli: this is the problem -- http://paste.lisp.org/display/88997 18:42:25 emma: If you really want that, you should use `current-process-milliseconds' 18:42:32 time does not seem to be in R5RS anyhow. 18:42:41 rudybot: eval (- (current-process-milliseconds) (begin (sleep 0.5) (current-process-milliseconds))) 18:42:42 eli: ; Value: 0 18:43:04 And that wouldn't be 0 if it actually did some work. 18:43:07 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:43:43 But the `time' form is much more convenient. 18:44:44 (time (* 3 5)) indicates that it doesn't recognize time in drscheme 18:45:00 What language are you using? R5RS? 18:45:04 yeah 18:45:29 The R5RS language has what's in the R5RS, and that's about it. 18:45:37 so maybe I should just do (time (prime? n)) 18:45:38 okay 18:45:50 eli -- in DrScheme which language is the official PLT scheme language? 18:46:29 Module, also called scheme. Use "#lang scheme" at the beginning of your programs to select this language. 18:46:36 (Sorry, I'm not eli.) 18:46:39 emma: What chandler said. 18:47:00 oh okay cool thanks. 18:47:04 Be aware that pairs are immutable in this language. 18:47:10 emma: Probably the only major thing you won't be able to do is the part with `set-car!', `set-cdr!' etc -- 18:47:21 Okay 18:47:24 but -- you'll be doing yourself a huge favor if you skip it. 18:47:46 If you need them for some reason, use `mcons' to get a mutable pair, and `set-mcar!' and `set-mcdr!' to mutate it. 18:47:52 But, don't. 18:49:12 (I've seen, BTW, 6.001 students fight with that specific part... It was not working in MIT any better than it is elsewere...) 18:50:41 eli: i put it on module and put #lang scheme at the top, and then it gives this error: 18:50:44 http://paste.lisp.org/display/88997 18:50:46 oops' 18:50:53 sory NOT that paste. 18:51:08 This error-- module: illegal use (not at top-level) 18:51:26 Paste the complete program, please. 18:51:33 okay 18:51:33 lisppaste: url? 18:51:34 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 18:51:41 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw598092.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:52:23 emma: Did you switch the language to the Module language (Ctrl+L, and choose the first one)? 18:52:28 emma pasted "error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88998 18:52:45 Yes the module 18:53:34 emma annotated #88998 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/88998#1 18:53:41 emma: You should have one module only --> one `#lang scheme' line 18:53:48 I just annotated it withthe erro message 18:54:26 (And you can just hit `Ctrl+A Tab' to properly indent the whole thing.) 18:59:29 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-212-245.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 18:59:30 weird. so sorry, I have no idea how that second #lang scheme got there. I think my laptop is cutting and pasting weird. 19:02:00 s'ok, the error messages is actually quite unintuitive 19:03:41 Yeah, it should have a more explicit error message. There are worse problems that come out of the current setup. 19:07:10 npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 19:07:20 -!- SvekloB [n=sveklo@unaffiliated/sveklo] has quit ["Leaving..."] 19:08:42 mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 19:09:06 tarbo [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 19:14:03 saccade [n=saccade@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:18:31 -!- sepult` [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-175-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:10 photon [n=photon@unaffiliated/photon] has joined #scheme 19:31:24 emmy [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-puazjgzbwipxarsg] has joined #scheme 19:31:30 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-153.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 19:31:41 -!- emma [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-jwzvhhzwtghwyihn] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:31:44 -!- emmy is now known as emma 19:33:52 ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:34:41 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05750F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:36:50 eli: -- 19:37:57 > (time (square 23243245) )cpu time: 0 real time: 360 gc time: 0 19:38:29 eli: -- what is the difference between 'cpu time' , 'real time', and 'gc time' ? 19:39:08 emma: "real time" is the actual time passed on the clock, "cpu time" is the time that it was actually running mzscheme code. 19:39:41 "gc time" is the amount of time spent doing garbage collection 19:40:11 (If we're getting to these details, then cpu-time includes the gc-time.) 19:40:36 how could cpu time and gc time be zero ? 19:40:59 it used the sqrt syscall of course! 19:41:10 emma: They're smaller than what the machine can measure. 19:41:44 rudybot: eval (time (expt 2 3)) 19:41:45 eli: ; Value: 8 19:41:46 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:01 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 10)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:02 eli: ; Value: 10 19:42:03 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:06 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 30)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:06 eli: ; Value: 30 19:42:07 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:11 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 50)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:12 eli: ; Value: 50 19:42:13 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:17 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 90)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:17 eli: ; Value: 90 19:42:19 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:24 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 200)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:24 eli: ; Value: 200 19:42:25 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 4 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:28 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 250)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:29 eli: ; Value: 250 19:42:30 Yikes, eli. 19:42:30 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 1 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:35 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ([x (in-range 400)]) (expt 2 x)))) 19:42:35 eli: ; Value: 400 19:42:36 eli: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 1 gc time: 0\n" 19:42:42 *eli* gives up 19:43:06 I kind of miss CMUCL's instruction counter support on SPARC. 19:43:10 Demonstrating this with rudybot is tricky because if it does take too much time (or memory) it will kill the evaluation. 19:43:11 -!- sernin [n=sernin@c-24-14-190-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:44:27 rudybot: eval (time (length (for/list ((x (in-range 4000))) (expt 2 x)))) 19:44:28 chandler: ; Value: 4000 19:44:29 chandler: ; stdout: "cpu time: 32 real time: 30 gc time: 0\n" 19:46:43 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 19:48:05 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-180-57.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:48:18 eli: did you say ctrl+a should make it tab nicely? 19:48:50 -!- borism [n=boris@195.50.199.134] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:48:58 emma: Ctrl+A and then hit Tab. 19:51:05 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:51:35 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:54:47 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:55:12 sernin [n=sernin@c-24-14-190-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:55:17 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:02:44 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 20:05:48 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-153.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:11:49 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 20:12:51 eli: current-process-milliseconds expects a thread as its argument. 20:13:14 gpaci_ [n=gpaci@gpaci-02.dsllan.toad.net] has joined #scheme 20:13:38 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs27122078.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:14:30 emma: That's optional. 20:14:38 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 20:14:57 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 20:15:16 does time measure in milliseconds anyway? 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21:15:57 You should probably just ask your question in general; I'm not always on IRC (believe it or not). 21:16:31 are you familiar with the term "reverse Polish calculator"? 21:16:49 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:16:53 As in RPN? Of course; I have a HP-48GX on the table next to my keyboard. 21:17:18 gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:17:30 ok, i'm writing a scheme procedure that's something like those i guess 21:17:41 can i post the assignment description? 21:18:05 Sure. 21:18:09 -!- poe_ is now known as poe 21:18:57 saati [n=bjb@marvin.harmless.hu] has joined #scheme 21:19:00 EleminoP pasted "reverse polish calc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/89009 21:19:10 i also put what i have 21:19:15 which is probably terribly wrong 21:20:47 Other than the comment "Use unary-op and binary-op to simplify your code.", the assignment description actually seems like a straightforward description of the algorithm. 21:21:36 maybe i need to review how (read) works 21:22:03 -!- schmir [n=schmir@mail.brainbot.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:22:24 I'm not sure why you're calling `list' with the return value of calling `read'. 21:22:30 Can you explain what the list is for? 21:22:48 i thought i'd read whatever the user types in 21:22:50 make it a list 21:23:03 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:23:03 then read the car of the list 21:23:09 Why a list? 21:23:27 The assignment description just talks about reading what the user types and doing different things depending on what the value is. 21:23:32 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:23:38 if they type in more than one value 21:23:57 such as 21:23:59 (rp-calc '(4)) 21:24:05 then they type in 10 20 30 = 21:24:14 it should display (30 20 10 4) 21:24:30 OK. You don't need to do that; the first call to `read' will return 10, the second 20, etc. 21:25:56 Try this at your REPL: 21:25:58 (define read-n-values (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) '() (cons (read) (read-n-values (- n 1)))))) 21:26:02 (read-n-values 4) 21:26:13 Then input: 10 20 30 = 21:27:18 oh, ok 21:28:34 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:44 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:32:28 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:55 would it be better to use case rather than cond? 21:33:20 or neither? 21:36:18 When checking for an operation, `case' would be the right tool. 21:36:27 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:36:43 would it be like (case (read) ...) 21:36:53 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:37:04 No; you'll want to bind the result to a value, in case it's a number instead of an operation. 21:37:38 so maybe i would want to let read be some variable? 21:39:16 I think that's what I said, yes. 21:39:31 -!- emma [n=a59bcafe@gateway/web/flash/eris.tuxhacker.org/x-puazjgzbwipxarsg] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:40:47 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:40:59 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:42:14 -!- albacker [n=eni@unaffiliated/enyx] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44:27 cool, it seems to work, but the grader says something is wrong 21:45:00 chandler: right now i have the else part of the case assuming it's a number 21:45:18 because i can't have (number?) as one of the cases 21:45:19 right? 21:45:40 Right; that's not the way `case' works. 21:45:49 yeah 21:46:21 EleminoP annotated #89009 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/89009#1 21:46:36 does that look decent? 21:46:53 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:46:58 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:47:10 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:47:25 Does it work? 21:47:34 I don't know what `binary-op' and `unary-op' do. 21:48:27 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:48:38 oh 21:48:38 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:48:47 yeah, it works. idk why the grader doesn't like it 21:48:51 ASau [n=user@85.141.214.92] has joined #scheme 21:50:41 maybe he just dislikes case 21:51:40 -!- ASau [n=user@85.141.214.92] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:52:04 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:52:39 dang 22:00:34 -!- marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:00:40 m811 [n=user@180.180.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 22:02:53 marcoecc [i=me@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9C9AAE7F] has joined #scheme 22:04:34 -!- gnomon_ [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:06:57 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06:58 -!- nothere [n=nothere4@user-12hdtpr.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 22:07:07 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:07:49 schemer999 [n=schemer9@cpe-76-90-137-46.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:08:09 What Scheme compilers perform flow-directed live variable analysis? Orbit performs only naive syntactic live variable analysis. 22:08:54 lighterthanair [n=lightert@38.105.245.18] has joined #scheme 22:10:53 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:11:16 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:11:51 has anyone ever built mit scheme on a mac before? 22:13:19 Yes. 22:13:58 do i need admin privileges? 22:14:17 do i need to be logged in as an admin to successfully build? 22:14:25 You shouldn't. 22:14:39 k. tx. 22:15:15 Just to build? No. 22:15:15 yr wlcm. sry 2 hr abt ur shrt txt dsese 22:15:26 To install system-wide? Yes, just like anything else. 22:15:32 -!- EleminoP [n=EleminoP@iub-vpn-193-220.noc.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 22:16:55 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:17:20 ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 22:17:33 apparently i also need a c compiler. where do i get one of those? 22:17:59 i got an error: 22:18:03 "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" 22:18:28 install xcode 22:18:43 thats a lightweighy solution 22:18:50 s/y/t/ 22:21:14 You will also need an existing MIT Scheme, too, to build MIT Scheme. 22:22:01 an existing mit scheme? 22:22:18 -!- chturne [n=chturne@host86-128-235-137.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:22:30 Riastradh: pls explain 22:22:44 -!- ASau [n=user@ppp85-141-214-92.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["disconnet"] 22:22:49 lighterthanair: a binary 22:23:00 > 22:23:04 ? 22:23:35 you need an mit scheme compiled into binary code that your processor can interpret 22:23:39 not only the source 22:24:21 are you talking about the pkg avail at http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/liarc-build.html 22:24:22 ? 22:24:54 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05750F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:25:49 this would suggest that not 22:25:51 hendrix [n=hendrix@host-85-118-227-114.academ.org] has joined #scheme 22:26:02 -!- hendrix is now known as rus_socialist 22:35:13 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:48:05 -!- kupad [n=kupad@dsl254-079-179.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:53:22 lighterthanair, you don't need an existing MIT Scheme to build the portable C distribution; you do need one if you want to build MIT Scheme from source. I ought to have clarified that earlier, sorry. 22:53:31 In either case you need a C compiler, though. 22:54:03 i'm dl'ing xcode. 22:54:15 oops. no, i'm installing xcode. 22:54:16 If you have a Mac OS X installation CD, you can probably find it there. 22:54:19 tx. 22:54:24 Transmit? 22:55:03 No. "Texas." 22:57:48 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:01:02 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 23:02:44 saccade [n=saccade@65.78.24.131] has joined #scheme 23:08:21 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@91.191.38.169] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:13:19 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 23:15:13 -!- mabes [n=mabes@66.236.74.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:16:29 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 23:16:45 -!- jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:20:10 -!- sstrickl [n=sstrickl@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 23:25:26 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:30:39 phax [n=phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 23:31:54 kupad [n=kupad@dsl254-079-179.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 23:32:13 -!- ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:41:05 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@cpe-173-172-99-25.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:49:13 borism [n=boris@195.50.199.134] has joined #scheme 23:54:09 -!- phax [n=phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit ["Leaving"]