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01:02:50 you mean this kafkaesque promontory of burocratolatrists? 01:03:13 and, yes, i did just copyright that phrase 01:07:19 arcfide: run away, zarathustra, with your snake and eagle; or descot may never come to fruition! 01:07:55 ankou_ [n=quassel@p57A6C8DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 01:08:53 -!- ankou_ [n=quassel@p57A6C8DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:09:28 01:09:31 incubot: run away, zarathustra, with your snake and eagle; or descot may never come to fruition! 01:09:35 for interacitivity, there are literatures discussion whether it will be added down the road, but never came to fruition i suppose. 01:10:07 offby1: heh 01:10:16 i forgot for a second that arcfide isn't incubot 01:10:29 or is, actually, only in a partial sense 01:12:33 soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 01:19:28 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:23:46 -!- ankou [n=quassel@p57A6C027.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:29:50 I have heard the word `kafkaesque' too many times in the past seventy-two hours. 01:30:23 Please remedy this situation. 01:32:28 Thren [n=Thren@c-75-67-111-180.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:39:40 underspecified [n=eric@155.69.195.156] has joined #scheme 01:40:05 Riastradh: re 0-based index: Yes, which is my point. 01:40:35 The statement in R5RS implies (by omission) that index n is valid on a list of length n. 01:40:46 Riastradh: it's just fun to say 01:41:44 So I'm still trying to find a good way to abstractly represent some sort of filter. kafkaesque 01:42:03 when in doubt, resort to category theory 01:42:11 category theory? 01:42:17 klutometis: Oh, don't worry, Descot is going to be produced, and it will come to fruition. 01:42:24 It's almost there after all. 01:42:50 oh ha ha 01:44:40 ct2rips [n=ct2rips@p5486A279.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 01:47:44 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:49:27 klutometis: Although, the job search does cut a bit into my time to hack on Descot. 01:54:07 sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-28-120.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:54:26 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-28-120.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 02:09:55 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-29-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:10:12 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-245.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:12:54 dharmatech [n=root@97-116-38-67.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:13:18 -!- underspecified [n=eric@155.69.195.156] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:14:16 amca [n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:17:07 TimMc, oh, you're right. 02:17:15 Yes, it's a mistake in the R5RS. 02:19:19 Riastradh: So, obviously that one is kind of irrelevant, since everyone knows what the right behavior is. 02:19:55 My real question is this: Have there been any flat-out contradictions or errors that have caused real debate? 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I'm at a coffee shop and there's some sort of communist club here. They, I'm not kidding, sound pro-stalinist. :-) 02:32:13 One dude has a hoodie with a picture of young stalin on it. 02:37:09 -!- ct2rips [n=ct2rips@p5486A279.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:38:39 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:40:54 -!- dharmatech [n=root@97-116-38-67.mpls.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:43:09 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:47:24 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 02:53:23 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176222245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:08:04 bytecolor [n=user@32.153.164.212] has joined #scheme 03:08:12 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176217176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:10:00 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-42-155.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:11:17 where is `=>' defined in R5RS? The only reference I can find is to show the output of a procedure: (* 5 8) ==> 40. But even there, the spec says "the symbol =>" and then immediately uses `==>'. Kind of confusing. 03:11:48 I thought I had it worked out until I ran across: (cond ((assv 'b '((a 1) (b 2))) => cadr) (else #f)) 03:12:29 where '=>' is actually part of the Scheme syntax, not just notation for the manual. 03:14:14 bytecolor: => is defined in the cond syntax itself, not generally in any s-exp. 03:14:37 bytecolor: basically (cond ((test => (lambda (result-of-test) ...))) ...) 03:14:38 ah, now that makes sense 03:15:27 "I see", said the blind man. ;) thanks synx 03:16:35 incubot: "I see," said the blind man to the deaf man as the lame man walked by. 03:16:38 I don't think deaf guys are likely to be charading 'sounds like' ... 03:16:56 heh 03:17:08 -!- forcer [n=forcer@e177145236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:18:45 My neural net is still learning Chapter 7 Formal syntax and semantics. `=>' is right there, but I missed (syntax-rules (else =>) ... 03:21:37 I'm trying to learn the `core' language as defined by R5RS, then I'll branch out from there. 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the connection] 11:02:01 Coffee0000 [n=coffee@gl17-045.gl17.cilas.net] has joined #scheme 11:12:20 delopart [n=sfv@212.174.74.11] has joined #scheme 11:12:22 hey 11:14:19 can you help me little bit http://www.pastebin.org/7414 i cannot find my mistake can sommeone help me 11:17:06 poe [n=poe@unaffiliated/xerox] has joined #scheme 11:18:26 i found my mistake sorry 11:19:31 delopart: you prolly want to add a quote: (recognizer '(+ 2 3) +) 11:21:21 > (recognizer '(2 - 3) '-) 11:21:21 true 11:21:21 > it gives true result i try to write for ingfix notation and my second ae is +,-,*,/ for this purpose i used equal i change these two 11:21:51 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs129231.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:22:57 is it any difference write factorial program in applicitive order or lazy order or i can write in same form for factorial but calling this is different like (fac (5)) for applicitive (fac ( + 2 3)) for lazy ? 11:24:06 mmc [n=mima@cs129231.pp.htv.fi] has joined 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For a straightforward implementation it probably doesn't matter one bit. 11:26:20 delopart: except that if both evaluation strategies are availbale you will have to somehow indicate which should be used when. 11:27:33 simple factorial function (define (fac n) (if n < 1) 1 (n * (fac (- n 1)))) right ? 11:28:36 how can i decide this is for Lazy strategy or applicative strategy 11:28:53 hw can i rearrange this according to two strategies 11:30:13 i hope my question is not relevant 11:32:36 -!- masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:40:15 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-53.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:40:22 i mean to provide lazy for function,do i have to use stream in sicp book ? 11:43:38 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.127] has joined #scheme 11:44:40 Hello . I need to build a C-like dynamic 1D array. What would I use? (I am using plt-scheme). I need to build up the 'array' in a number of iterations. 11:44:54 delopart: you can use lambda to delay evaluation. There is also delay/force which for now you may regard as the same thing. 11:45:18 cornucopic: do you know how big it is? 11:48:33 looked into vectors- and I am not sure if I can use it for my purpose 11:48:33 lists- ofcourse, but, not sure what would be the correct way to do it- mutable lists? 11:49:08 for eg. http://pastebin.com/df05dd06, I wan to store the random string in it 11:49:25 hkBst, max 10. 11:49:31 hkBst, could be less.. 11:50:18 cornucopic, could be more. 11:50:31 hkBst, ^^. the code above would give you an idea. 11:50:34 cornucopic: but do you know in advance? 11:50:39 cornucopic, yes. 11:50:53 hkBst, Yes. User Input. 11:51:29 cornucopic: okay, then it would be easy to make a vector 11:51:47 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 11:52:02 rudybot_: eval (make-vector 10 0) 11:52:03 hkBst: your sandbox is ready 11:52:03 hkBst: ; Value: #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0) 11:52:34 soupdragon [n=f@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 11:52:53 hkBst, Ok. Did you see my pastebin ? 11:53:15 hkBst, Its like, there are N iterations and I am getting an element every iteration which I need to 'push' to the Vector. 11:53:48 cornucopic: that sounds ideal for a list on which you cons the new element each iteration 11:53:56 -!- Coffee0000 [n=coffee@gl17-045.gl17.cilas.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 11:56:00 hkBst, Well..now, when I say a list is immutable, is the individual members immutable or the list itself? 11:56:33 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:56:40 cornucopic: I think each cons cell is immutable, but you can create mutable cells with mcons. 11:56:43 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 11:57:15 hkBst, Here, I just need a list which I can add to. immutable cons cells is just fine. 11:59:27 hkBst, so, will this work: " (define rstring (cons (random 2) rstring))))" for say N iterations? 11:59:43 hkBst, so, will this work: " (define rstring (cons (random 2) rstring))))" for say N iterations? 12:03:09 lisppaste: url 12:03:09 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 12:03:24 hkBst pasted "ranlist" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/85040 12:03:32 cornucopic: try that 12:05:42 hkBst, Works for me. :) I don't really understand why (list ret empty) retains the '()' and (ret '()') doesnt. 12:08:55 cornucopic: basically it defines a closure named loop and also calls it with arguments s and '() ... 12:11:32 \me reading it up. 12:11:40 r5rs named let 12:11:54 hmm, no specbot 12:21:19 Coffee0000 [n=coffee@gl17-045.gl17.cilas.net] has joined #scheme 12:27:48 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-28-120.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:29:36 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste in your channel? Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net."] 12:29:39 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 12:34:07 hey 12:34:20 can i ask a question about regular grammer in here 12:34:30 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 12:36:13 A -> a B->bA C-> cB d->C 12:36:22 is regular grammer right 12:36:31 or not ? 12:38:15 r00t__ [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has joined #scheme 12:38:29 -!- r00t__ [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:44 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.127] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:45:51 masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:47:59 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has joined #scheme 12:48:15 hkBst, sorry got DC.. 12:48:15 delopart write it in a better way 12:49:30 hkBst, why do you use (size size) twice ? its a variable binding, right ? 12:49:30 hkBst, oh wait, its let assignment, right ? 12:49:46 in better way how ? 12:50:47 cornucopic: the first is the name of the formal argument inside the closure named `loop', the second is the actual argument with which loop is first called. 12:51:56 cornucopic: it is usual to name them the same since they basically are used for the same thing, but you can rename them too make it more obvious which is which. 12:52:06 s/too/to/ 12:53:18 hkBst, Hmm..Thanks. :) 12:54:33 hkBst, no, I got the idea now.. 12:57:02 hkBst, so basically, the 'loop' variable is the closure here. 12:57:48 delopart, that it can be read 12:58:00 cornucopic: the identifier `loop' is bound to the closure yes 12:58:22 hkBst, Ok. 12:58:31 hmm 12:59:19 A --> a \newline b-> bA \newline c-> cB \newline d->C 12:59:54 why havi you sometimes use --> but othertimes -> ? 13:00:13 do they mean different things? 13:00:39 what is havi 13:00:46 have* 13:00:48 a sorry 13:00:57 no it is not different 13:01:01 okay 13:01:05 i write worngly my mistake 13:01:12 the A -> a can be erased then? 13:01:27 b-> ba ; c-> cB ; d->C 13:01:59 and d is never used right so it can be erased too? what's 'B' vs 'b' though 13:02:22 just i try to learn regular grammar concept 13:02:42 for example someone gives some grammer which is not regular and transform into regular grammar 13:04:05 the only rule non-terminal symbol will be in rhs or lhs 13:15:59 -!- tewk [n=tewk@katan.cs.utah.edu] has left #scheme 13:27:32 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 13:28:26 -!- Coffee0000 [n=coffee@gl17-045.gl17.cilas.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:28:49 Coffee0000 [n=coffee@gl17-045.gl17.cilas.net] has joined #scheme 13:28:55 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:37:21 david_ [n=david@h-60-147.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 13:38:14 I'm planning to do a small game in scheme and I'm wondering how to represent the different game objects 13:38:37 as they have quite a few mutable properties 13:38:52 which is the most idiomatic way? 13:44:26 david_: don't you think you should explain a bit more? 13:46:46 I'll try sure. I need a way of representing a couple of visible objects (like their x's and y's, speed etc), if I used C it would of course been a struct, but now I'm using scheme. 13:47:31 I know I can use a constructor function (which wraps a list) 13:47:36 but isn't that a bit ugly? 13:48:15 david_: probably your scheme has some form of structs or records 13:48:27 are there someone who suggest any links that covers properties of regular grammar 13:48:36 delopart: wikipedia? 13:49:17 i check that 13:50:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_grammar there are no title like "properties of regular grammar" 13:55:45 how can i write a program with static an dynamic scope seperately ? 13:56:46 hkBst: I'm using chicken scheme, but I can't find any info regarding that 13:56:51 delopart: how separately? 13:57:09 david_: ask in #chicken 13:58:17 thanks 13:58:29 sorry how can i write a program that demonstrates the differnce between dynmaic and static scope ? 13:58:40 how can i think this ? 14:05:08 sepult_ 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world x is undefined inside f 14:18:28 lexical = static is that true ? 14:18:56 yes 14:19:26 i wrote two program just a second 14:20:24 i will write sorry 14:23:53 -!- david_ [n=david@h-60-147.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:25:27 hkBst, http://www.pastebin.org/7435 you mean that ? 14:26:35 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-31-27.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:27:32 rouslan_ [n=Rouslan@pool-64-222-181-252.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 14:30:14 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-134.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 14:30:53 ankou [n=quassel@p57A6C8DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:31:01 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-31-27.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 14:32:33 delopart: no, x cannot be an argument, it must be free inside the funtion. 14:32:59 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs129231.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:37:16 x 14:37:20 delopart: in lexcial world (f) would cause the implementation to complain about unbound variable x. 14:37:26 you said x -> free variable 14:37:56 free in `f' 14:38:11 -!- masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving."] 14:38:11 okey 14:38:27 i mean x is not the parameter of f right ? 14:39:11 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@users-55-53.vinet.ba] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:39:15 that's what I said: "x cannot be an argument, it must be free inside the funtion" 14:39:29 masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:39:35 (define x 5) 14:39:35 (define (f) 14:39:35 (* x x)) 14:39:35 (f) x is free in f but it is defined as global variable 14:39:41 okey i understand 14:39:44 otherwise there will be NO difference 14:42:01 okey briefly in static scope x is free in f in dynamic scope x is bound to f and in dynamic scope we take the value of f when function calls.Actually i read plai book,dynamic scope looks the env in the function calls,static scope looks env in the deifinition 14:42:19 if my srentence is true i understand perfectly 14:43:28 x is always ``free in f'', the difference is in HOW it MIGHT be bound outside of f, but I think you understand now. 14:43:51 okey thanks 14:43:55 Deformative [n=joe@c-68-84-166-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:43:58 for you patience 14:43:59 :) 14:44:04 :) 14:45:43 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-31-27.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:48:43 luz [n=davids@189.122.90.116] has joined #scheme 14:48:46 -!- delopart [n=sfv@212.174.74.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:52:31 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-31-27.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 15:09:57 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:10:35 amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #scheme 15:11:06 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 15:12:50 hello 15:13:25 I'm using PLT's FFI, trying to create a NULL-terminated array of C strings from scheme 15:14:10 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Uuuuund weg."] 19:21:38 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:23:44 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 19:29:26 Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:35:13 karlw [n=user@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:37:48 Phaze [n=PhazeDK@0x5da32b16.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1104.soebnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #scheme 19:38:51 Attempts to ``migrate'' Emacs to Scheme will fail because Emacs is broken. 19:40:07 karlw: Emacs is a contradiction, and therefore can never be implemented? 19:40:23 Although it's also the most useful editor available. 19:41:01 Clever Emacs, existing and all. 19:41:52 A Scheme-aware editor should be redesigned from scratch. 19:42:43 Like JED, for example. 19:43:56 Let's start designing the feature-set now! I vote that when a function only has tail-recursive calls, a little wagging tail animation appears in the margin next to it. 19:44:11 *TimMc* is booted from the design team 19:46:46 It would probably catch on if it had a more imperative language that you can use instead of Scheme. 19:47:35 Like Javascript or (lexically scoped) Logo. 19:54:32 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:54:56 -!- nicoca [n=nicoca@mon76-1-88-168-192-93.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:55:17 -!- ravenex [n=raven@121-243-252-87-dynamic-pool.gprs.mts.by] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:57:04 -!- Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:02:58 Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:03:34 -!- Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 20:04:13 Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:40 karlw: As in, the editor would also be aware of those languages? 20:05:03 -!- Guest82420 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 20:05:41 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 20:07:55 TimMc: Yes, through compilers written in Scheme. 20:10:33 dzhus [n=sphinx@93.81.183.159] has joined #scheme 20:20:22 Guest64806 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:21:43 -!- Guest64806 [n=Khisanth@pool-68-237-101-85.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:23:34 arcfide [n=arcfide@99.14.210.197] has joined #scheme 20:34:00 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 20:51:33 How is unicode handled in the various Schemes? 20:51:53 For example, code point sequences vs. byte sequences 20:52:55 TimMc: Unicode handling is specific somewhat in R6RS, so you can read about how they handle things in that document. I think MIT Scheme has a strange sort of Unicode layer on top of its normal strings, but it has been a long time since I worked on that. 20:54:21 rouslan [n=Rouslan@pool-64-222-181-252.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:24 arcfide: Thanks, I'll check that out. I'm assuming R5RS didn't cover unicode at all? 20:55:37 TimMc: Yes, it left that up to the implementation. 20:56:43 Hmm, OK. 20:57:33 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 20:57:44 rudybot: uptime 20:57:44 *offby1: I've been up for seven weeks; this tcp/ip connection has been up for two days, three hours 20:58:14 Cool, it looks like R6RS requires code point sequences! 20:58:40 I don't envy the implementers, of course. 20:58:43 TimMc: I have heard some complaints regarding the Unicode specification in R6RS. 20:58:54 I think Riastradh can say more about that, or you can look in the logs. 20:59:17 Will do. 21:00:22 boscop [n=boscop@e181241025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 21:02:30 arcfide: Where can I find the logs in searchable/downloadable format? 21:02:38 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-106-16-199.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:35 TimMc: see topic 21:05:41 Sweet. 21:07:51 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:13:24 ski_ [n=md9slj@remote1.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 21:14:31 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-145.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 21:17:29 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18:18 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 21:18:48 jeapostrophe [n=jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:49 -!- mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:23:09 -!- MononcQc [n=parseido@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["DOWNLOADING LATEST VERSION OF THE INTERNET"] 21:24:11 mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has joined #scheme 21:25:56 sleepydog [n=user@64-252-65-74.adsl.snet.net] has joined #scheme 21:31:43 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93.81.183.159] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:39:32 -!- masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:42:26 masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 21:44:09 -!- karlw [n=user@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:44:12 karlw [n=user@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:15 -!- ofthelesser [i=oftheles@cpe-174-100-207-183.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 21:46:10 ofthelesser [i=oftheles@cpe-174-100-207-183.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:50:00 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:00:51 attila_lendvai_ [n=ati@adsl-89-132-2-49.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #scheme 22:11:49 -!- masm [n=masm@bl10-255-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:02 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-145.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:54 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-158-145.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:27:00 -!- attila_lendvai_ [n=ati@adsl-89-132-2-49.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:37:06 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:38:09 KingOfKarlsruhe [n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #scheme 22:45:38 -!- Def [n=joe@c-68-84-166-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 22:50:33 -!- karlw [n=user@adsl-99-157-202-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 22:54:47 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:58:15 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0570F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:02 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 23:04:49 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:13:46 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe [n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:19:36 bytecolor [n=user@32.159.51.237] has joined #scheme 23:19:46 -!- bytecolor [n=user@32.159.51.237] has left #scheme 23:46:55 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-131.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 23:52:12 MononcQc [n=Ferd@modemcable062.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:54:46 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S01060024016bb36c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme