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something like (doc ...) getting the information from the web? 01:50:14 Not that I know of. 01:50:29 it could probably be nice 01:50:39 Just use plt's javascript documentation searcher. 01:51:06 i usually open just mzscheme and test things in it 01:51:27 i thought it would be good to be able to consult documentation from the repl itself 01:51:49 echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-1dd34545d9d0cbad] has joined #scheme 01:51:55 cel: fire up erc and /msg rudybot_ 01:51:58 Is Alex Shinn another alias for foof? 01:52:06 yes 01:52:16 *sladegen* thinks. 01:52:47 djork [n=djork@c-76-100-204-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:52:48 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.197.70] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:53:05 *sladegen* 's neurons start to coagulate. 01:53:13 what's erc? 01:53:23 There is this cel: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/syntax/docprovide.html#12646619947384952323 but I don't think many use it. 01:53:33 cel: emacs' irc client. 01:53:58 ah 01:54:08 sladegen i use Vim (let's try not to start a flame war :P) 01:54:53 irssi works really well if you employ a combination of vim and bash. 01:54:59 Just press Ctrl+Shift+2 :p 01:55:06 cel: sure, i'm just pointing out there is code in rudybot_ doing an url lookup... at least. 01:57:36 -!- br1 [n=opera@r190-135-14-62.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #scheme 02:05:48 -!- djork [n=djork@c-76-100-204-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #scheme 02:06:11 outchanter [n=hrun@c-98-207-114-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:12 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:38 djork [n=djork@c-76-100-204-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:07:19 -!- djork [n=djork@c-76-100-204-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #scheme 02:08:20 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@95-24-218-223.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:10:43 -!- dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [] 02:13:38 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:26:21 no one is talking? 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(about for/fold) 15:11:00 that returns its description and maybe an example 15:16:06 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 15:17:27 -!- npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:17:52 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@93.144.76.212] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:19:42 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 15:20:40 exexex [n=chatzill@85.101.19.91] has joined #scheme 15:22:44 cel: You could probably take the same thing, and hook it with some text-based browser 15:23:22 cel: The human beings who document plt-scheme do not have a formal standard for documenting particular pieces of code. Instead they document modules, in the scribble language, which translates directly into html. 15:23:26 So the best you can assume is that an HTML document for a certain module may exist. (about X) will only work in rare cases, even if you restrict X to being procedures. 15:23:30 Neither for nor foldl are procedures I might add. 15:23:42 cel: The thing is that the rendering part of scribble has a text option too, but that's not really useful, plus it requires a different kind of rendering where each piece of documentation is available separately. 15:24:04 And, yes -- there's what synx said too. 15:24:06 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:26:33 Can I say it's in CPS when it is not in call/return style? Or does it have to be able to go back to the previous status perfectly with all variable bindings? 15:27:30 CPS doesn't "go back" that I know of...? 15:27:47 You mean to ask do trampolines count as CPS? 15:27:48 synx: That's what I thought. 15:28:31 My professors claimed "If you can not perfectly go back to the previous status, it is not CPS", but I disagreed. 15:28:56 tomoyuki28jp: does he/do you have a definition of CPS? 15:28:59 What you have described doesn't make enough sense for one to say whether it is right or wrong. 15:29:10 Elaboration, please! 15:30:53 continuation passing style is just that you never deal with the return value of procedures, instead passing 'next' procedures to handle the program's behavior after the one procedure has finished. 15:30:54 eli i do with elinks sometimes 15:31:08 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.101.19.91] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:31:41 cel: Do you have DrScheme installed? 15:32:22 eli yes 15:32:29 the version you sent me :) 15:32:41 synx: yeah, that's what I thought. thanks. 15:32:43 cel: OK, you can fire it up, and use the preferences dialog to set a browser 15:32:45 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Success] 15:33:00 :) 15:33:02 cel: (You can do that from mzscheme too, but it's easier with the gui.) 15:33:29 i'll check how to do it in mzscheme later, so i can use a text browser in bsd 15:33:32 thanks :) 15:33:32 I'm no university professor tomoyuki28jp so take my advice with a grain of salt. That's just what I understand of it. 15:33:54 cel: Well, a very easy way to do that is to edit your plt-prefs directly. 15:34:11 synx: I see, thanks for the info! 15:34:39 rudybot: eval (find-system-path 'pref-file) 15:34:40 eli: your sandbox is ready 15:34:40 eli: ; Value: # 15:34:53 by the way... (not related)... i like the error format in mzscheme 15:34:53 cel: That's you you can tell where the preference file is. 15:35:09 HG` [n=wells@xdslhj021.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 15:35:12 sometimes when executing from Vim it will take me to the line of the error if there was one 15:35:28 cel: Anyway, you can set it to a pair with the command part that comes before the url, and the part that comes after. 15:35:28 eli nice :) 15:35:53 For example, I used `w3m', so I get this entry in the preferences: (external-browser ("w3m \"" . "\"")) 15:36:07 (Note the surrounding double quotes.) 15:36:29 But the problem now is that it expects the browser to be something that is running in the background. 15:36:58 So one thing that you can do is to write a simple wrapper that pops up elinks in a new terminal window 15:37:21 And another option is to hack the part of the code that runs the external browser, and make it just run the process as usual. 15:37:28 no problem, i usually have one in the background 15:37:50 In that case, all you need is a way to have it communicate to the existing one. 15:38:55 a simple shell script can do then 15:39:15 :) 15:39:17 peter_12 [n=peter_12@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:36 Just for the record -- if you find the background-process a problem, then the part of the code that you'll want to hack is 15:39:53 the `browser-run' function in "collects/net/sendurl.ss" 15:40:13 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-220-181-204.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 60 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"Extending the Scope of Syntactic Abstraction". PhD. 18:51:08 yes that paper appears to correspond to a section of that thesis 18:51:11 anyways, looking at the results, it's not really promising 18:51:37 ah no? 18:52:14 i liked the fold -> fib example at the end of the short paper 18:52:31 anything that raises the abstraction level while keeping costs down sounds good to me 18:53:22 *wingo* makes mental note to read that thesis in full at some point 18:53:48 if you look at table 2 of the pdf you linked, the general case seems < 10% and then it's tested on micro benchmarks... 18:55:18 i think the real purpose is to allow macro writers to be more expressive 18:55:28 i assume you saw that cp0 talk, right? 18:55:57 when i look at the expanded psyntax.pp it galls me into wanting an inliner ;) 18:56:17 not really 18:56:52 and besides, you do need something to take ((lambda ...) ...) to (let ... ...) 18:57:10 same with call-with-values, etc 18:57:12 well the compiler does that anyways? 18:57:35 guile's is too dumb to do that at this point ;) 18:57:48 but to me inlining would be the source-to-source pass that would do that 18:58:53 it's cheap enough for me to do it in the compiler in my big fat 1st pass, I have all the info to make a choice :) 18:59:14 hehe 18:59:49 I do a bit of inline rewriting actually but it's not source based 19:02:13 I used to compile too strictly, then I realized as long as the semantics stays 100% the same I can pretty much do what I want :) 19:02:50 actually it felt like a interpreter of compiled code :p 19:03:38 :) 19:04:21 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-167.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:06:16 -!- flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@80.128.164.206] has left #scheme 19:07:25 the sky hesitates between rain and grey. perhaps i should go inside. 19:07:37 you outside? 19:08:59 yes, on the terrace 19:09:30 watching the clouds sneak down to the sea 19:09:46 not that i can see the sea. 19:13:51 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@g228084101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 19:20:22 i can never read anything (on a screen) outside 19:21:28 i'm on the east side of the flat, there's not too much glare 19:21:36 at dusk anyways ;) 19:21:38 ah :)