00:00:01 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:02:54 rudybot: later tell offby1 klutometis has nominated you the wizard of oz, please prepare your acceptance speech; as for me, I call you http://heroeswiki.com/Puppet_master 00:02:55 minion: memo for offby1: zbigniew told me to tell you: klutometis has nominated you the wizard of oz, please prepare your acceptance speech; as for me, I call you http://heroeswiki.com/Puppet_master 00:02:55 Remembered. I'll tell offby1 when he/she/it next speaks. 00:04:26 they do have the same first name--coincidence? I think not 00:13:53 -!- ikaros_ [n=ikaros@f051196031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 00:18:27 -!- _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 00:21:45 Arelius_ [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 00:22:58 johnnnowa [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:25:45 bpalmer [n=user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has joined #scheme 00:26:30 is anyone familiar with PLT's scribble tool? 00:26:46 -!- rdd [n=user@83.250.157.93] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:26:47 Arelius__ [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 00:28:55 -!- Arelius_ [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:30:13 zbigniew: you mean frank, as in frank morgan; or eric, as in eric doyle? 00:31:44 raikov [i=3c207f2b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0c1d6a20d9057d3b] has joined #scheme 00:32:39 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 00:36:25 -!- Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:46:15 -!- johnnnowa [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:46:31 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207.38.171.48] has joined #scheme 00:51:11 -!- buggarage [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:51:33 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:56:28 incubot: Diplodocus's impressive neck sweeps along the main hall of London's Natural History museum, welcoming its visitors. 00:56:31 I argue about that in other channels all the time. At least this channel is not welcoming IRSeek to spy on us. 00:56:50 neilv [n=user@66.92.71.30] has joined #scheme 01:00:30 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #scheme 01:04:53 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-148.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:08:00 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:12:57 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207.38.171.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:13:32 synx pasted "assert" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80948 01:13:55 OK does that pretty much cover what Oleg's assert macro was supposed to do? 01:15:08 A more important question is whether it covers what you want it to do well enough. Do you want to debug the internals of SXPath, and does your Scheme system provide no way to examine the values of local variables on the stack? 01:16:40 -!- travisbrady [n=travisbr@shiva.mochimedia.net] has quit [] 01:17:05 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-148.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:17:11 I'm not familiar with plt's debugger... 01:17:18 sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:20:09 -!- sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 01:20:57 ...and are you uncomfortable inserting debugging messages by hand to show the values of local variables? 01:22:17 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:24:20 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:24:53 ...no that's what I always do. 01:26:53 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 01:27:19 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:33:36 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-132.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 01:42:21 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-232-191.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 01:46:10 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:49:19 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:50:46 -!- underspecified [n=eric-n@leopard175.naist.jp] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:50:46 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:51:04 underspecified [n=eric-n@leopard175.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 01:51:04 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #scheme 01:54:09 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:54:27 bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@209-161-239-222.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 01:56:46 travisbrady [n=travisbr@c-69-181-2-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:15 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-140.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:57:39 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-132.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:01:05 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-232-191.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 02:08:27 -!- bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-232-191.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:08:32 -!- davidad [n=me@RANDOM-FOUR-FIFTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has left #scheme 02:12:20 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:13:06 *eli* turns on rant mode 02:13:23 Advertising: Comcast lists a 15Mbps connection for $19/month -- so you're paying $1.267 per 1Mbps, 02:13:41 But^1 it's really $19.99, so: $1.333 per 1Mbps, 02:14:00 But^2 that's only "for the first 6 months" -- the normal rate is $43, so we're up to $2.867; 02:14:25 But^3 that's the *top* speed -- the *expected* average is 12Mbps, so now we're standing at $3.583; 02:14:51 -!- bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@209-161-239-222.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:14:56 But^4 that price is if you have other comcast services and doesn't include the "rent" for the modem which gets the price up to $63/month, 02:15:06 And that leaves me at $5.25 -- more than 4 times the listed price. 02:15:17 -!- jlilly [n=jlilly@mail.justinlilly.com] has left #scheme 02:16:17 ASau: ping 02:16:59 I'd put the expected average more at 160Kbps if it's Comcast you're talking about. And the price tag is $80 a month. 02:17:47 Well, add $20 to bundle a land phone line, that is. 02:18:11 I really don't want their phone, or their tv. 02:18:39 I know the absured pricing that means that I'll pay less if I get one of them, but I don't care. 02:19:09 I hear you there. $63 it is then. Do recall that they only allow such deals for about a year or so, then they bump it up like 120% in cost. 02:19:54 Nah, since I'm an existing customer, I don't get the good prices anyway. 02:20:28 Oh, okay my bad then. 02:20:54 In any case, I just bumped it to the 20mbps package (which should average at 16mbps, "naturally"), and that makes it $70 -- and of course there is no measurable improvement. 02:21:08 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-67-67-218-230.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:51 This is symmetrical, right? They're not talking 20/0.2 are they? 02:25:26 What? You mean Comcast are a bunch of dishonest, lying weasels? No way! 02:26:21 synx: You mean same UL/DL speeds -- of course not. 02:26:38 Yeah nobody'd be stupid enough to give market share to Comcast, much less a regional monopoly? 02:26:49 Riastradh: Well, it's the dishonesty factor -- which measures at more than 4x -- that surprised me. 02:27:01 I'd kind of expect a factor of 2x. 02:27:20 eli, this is the company that stuffed FCC meetings with shills off the street. 02:27:47 Riastradh: I kinow... Do you have a better alternative in this area? 02:27:54 s/kinow/know/ 02:28:20 Well, Verizon around here haven't been a total bag of dishonest, lying weasels. 02:28:28 0 02:29:09 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 02:29:12 Riastradh: I was hoping that they'll do their fios thing in the city, but not so far. (I heard some good impressions on it.) 02:29:14 It's... not hard to be a better company than Comcast. 02:31:02 Elsewhere I know that they've usurped NXDOMAIN replies, and Verizon Wireless (which is, I understand, a pretty separate entity) is a little bit confused about the concept of `.02', and Verizon's service blocks incoming connections on port 25 (and its outgoing mail server ignores connections on port 25 from Verizon IPs)... 02:32:20 They've occasionally had network outages, but not very often; maybe once every year or two. 02:32:35 Perhaps a little more often than that. 02:32:52 Yeah, I know that they have issues with openning ports -- I was told that with the fios thing you don't get port 80, for example. But I don't need that, and I don't need SMTP too... 02:33:13 But there's been only one really bad one, to the extent that it went on for a couple of days; that was some five years ago or so. 02:33:30 Yes, they might block port 80, too. But they don't block port 22. 02:33:55 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-123-107.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:36:07 In any case, if they did get fios in, I'd probably switch immediately. My only consideration is the speed and reliability. (Since MIT is getting the bill.) 02:37:05 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:38:07 I'm talking about ADSL, by the way, not FIOS (or however it is to be capitalized). 02:38:39 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-240-155.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 02:39:15 Yes, I figured that -- which is why I prefer the cable connection. (IIUC, it's faster.) 02:40:04 the choice between verizon and comcast for internet is a sign your country is doomed 02:40:10 I guess I don't download enough large files to care much about its bandwidth. 02:40:55 neilv: I should move to a country with a better economy, like Ecuador. 02:41:15 neilv: Do you have a better option, btw? 02:41:21 most everywhere is screwed up now 02:41:43 Riastradh: It's not download times that bug me -- it's the fact that I'm exclusively on a VNC connection. 02:41:55 Maybe you could bring a mattress to your office. 02:42:28 I can vouch that Verizon doesn't always block all incoming connections to port 25. They might cherry pick which customers to abuse though, the way Comcast does. 02:43:29 Riastradh: one matress wouldn't be a problem, but other members of the house might find such a move objectionable. 02:43:55 If you only cut off service without compensation to a minority of customers, you can save money while a majority of people see nothing wrong with your service at all. 02:45:38 Seems to be blocked here. As long as I can remember, it's been blocked. 02:46:20 bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@209-161-237-61.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 02:47:41 ice_man` [n=user@CPE000d6074b550-CM001a66704e52.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:47:53 anyone here? 02:47:59 I got a quickie about syntax-rules 02:48:01 Nope. 02:48:05 ah damn... 02:48:10 can ya help me out? 02:48:28 Oops -- to conduct a test about whether the upstream ISP blocks port 25, it helps first to check whether the local firewall blocks it. I guess Verizon doesn't block it. 02:48:59 Huh. It doesn't seem to be blocking port 80 either. 02:49:07 Network problems are lots of fun. 02:50:15 *bombshelter13___* agrees. 02:50:49 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-194-60.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:52 eli: i am still using pricey speakeasy adsl. they got bought by bestbuy, but they still have some clueful people. 02:51:16 neilv: But that's still not cable, so it's slower, right? 02:51:37 it can be fast. you pay big bucks for speed, tho 02:52:02 for $70/mo, my downloads max out at 160KB/s 02:52:03 The maximum speed might be less but you're not competing with your neighbours for the local pipes. 02:52:30 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176211105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:52:43 which is slow compared to comcast downstream in practice, for example 02:53:20 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-232-191.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:53:59 I know: you can climb up to the top of the building where your office is, install a directed antenna pointed at your house, and an oppositely directed antenna at your house, and then just use wifi or whatnot! 02:54:34 pirate microwave link 02:54:53 neilv: Yes, I suspect that. I'm getting 1mb/s for downloads. 02:54:54 ice_man`: always better to ask rather than ask if you can ask :) 02:55:25 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-67-67-218-230.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:55:37 Huh? One megabit per second is less than one hundred sixty kilobytes per second. 02:56:15 neilv: good point...ps. are you Neil Van Dyke? 02:56:25 Riastradh: I was talking about just downloading a file -- I get roughly 1 megabyte per second. (I was assuming that this is what neilv was referring to.) 02:56:27 no real names here! 02:56:32 Ah. 02:56:37 some of us have families 02:56:52 oops...sorry :( 02:56:57 Just to avert any confusion, here's a key for all the relevant abbreviations: . 02:57:05 Riastradh: That's impractical in a city -- but in Cornell there was someone who did just that -- he had a wireless line going from the CS building to his house which was across the lake. 02:57:30 :) 02:58:06 How was the performance of that? 02:58:22 neilv: quack rules. 02:58:53 -!- bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-240-155.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:58:58 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-227-196.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 02:59:45 Riastradh: IIRC, he had a really good connection, but that was early 2000s, and the competition (time warner, I think) on that side of the lake was pretty crappy anyway. 03:02:04 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:02:38 Anyway, bedtime. 03:02:39 *Riastradh* vanishes. 03:02:51 (define-syntax start-server (syntax-rules () ((_) (define stop-server (serve 8088))))) starts the server but does not bind stop-server in the current namespace, why? 03:03:18 ice_man`: Because the macro is hygienic. 03:03:57 how foolish of me... 03:04:16 eli: thanks :) 03:04:51 ice_man`: It's easy to break hygiene if that's what you *really* want -- but the expansion is very short anyway in this case. 03:08:30 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176217171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08:32 eli: how do I break hygiene again? If you don't mind my pestering 03:09:09 you can learn that in any undergraduate programming lab 03:09:15 oh, you mean in scheme 03:09:38 :) 03:09:41 :) 03:09:54 *eli* finds undergraduate labs these days much less populated than he used to see 03:10:34 my fast cgi library actually has the same problem: needs to introduce a procedure to end the session prematurely. 03:10:58 ice_man`: Something like (define-syntax (start-server stx) (with-syntax ([stop (datum->syntax stx 'stop-server stx)])#'(define stop (serve 8088)))) 03:11:07 i use a parameter 03:11:36 neilv: a parameter is IMO a far better solution -- and in cases where you care about the runtime cost, a syntax parameter. 03:11:48 i would just write: (define stop (serve 8088)) :p 03:11:54 -!- bombshelter13___ [n=bombshel@209-161-237-61.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:11:59 neilv: http://blog.plt-scheme.org/2008/02/dirty-looking-hygiene.html for an example. 03:12:08 leppie: i was going to say that next :) 03:12:25 -!- m811 [n=user@106.250.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:13:44 -!- ray [i=ray@the.ug] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:13:59 bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-241-212.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 03:14:07 -!- bombshelter13__ [n=bombshel@209-161-241-212.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:14:21 eli: thank you! 03:14:45 ray [i=ray@the.ug] has joined #scheme 03:15:19 eli: I still have much to learn... 03:16:16 ice_man`: Doing macros right is not as difficult as it seems, once you get used to the idea. It's even better if your brain was never contaminated by `defmacro'. 03:16:55 -!- forcer [n=forcer@e179198166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:19:08 eli: actually I never really got into common lisp :) 03:20:39 ice_man`: That would be my guess -- given that you didn't try any tricks that are common of such contamination. 03:20:54 s/would be/was/ 03:23:28 eli: :) 03:24:01 -!- mejja [n=user@c-87bae555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:29:19 eli: I still have fortran-esque contamination, however. It is painfully limiting. 03:29:25 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-227-196.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:30:13 as they say, you can write fortran in any language 03:30:27 ice_man`: Well, when you're talking about Scheme, the most common contamination is from any imperative language -- and that shows pretty fast; the `defmacro' thing is usually coming from people who are used to Common Lisp and old-school scheme implementations. 03:35:15 eli: yeah. I think I just got confused because I have been using a little macro I wrote for specifying sexp->string compilers of non-sexp languages, for which I have not yet implemented a hygienic macro system... 03:35:15 m811 [n=user@106.250.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 03:35:33 So even (match) doesn't search recursively it only matches patterns on the flat top level list. 03:35:52 or do what I did, just straight into syntax-case, and be confused for many months, but when you get it, it's glorious :) 03:35:54 I wonder if there would be use for a function that matched based on some pre-established hierarchy of non-pair leaves. 03:35:59 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:36:09 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 03:36:32 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:37:07 synx: Abstracting a function that will look at nested occurrences should be easy, 03:37:35 synx: and even better -- you could use `define-match-syntax' and add a pattern to `match'. 03:38:19 (list number? (cons string? number?)) matching to '(1 2 ("a" "b" (3 ("c" 4)) (5 (6 ("d" 7)))) would give you '(3 ("c" 4)) and '(6 ("d" 7)) 03:39:08 all match patterns still apply to the head of the list, not the leaves. I was thinking about the opposite. 03:40:10 er... I missed adding a few . in that example. 03:40:28 (list number? (list string? number?)) matching to '(1 2 ("a" "b" (3 ("c" 4)) (5 (6 ("d" 7)))) would give you '(3 ("c" 4)) and '(6 ("d" 7)) 03:40:36 I wish quack has a read-only input prompt like slime, it pains me to erase it, (eli: I know I said I never got into CL, but I did dip my toes in it just to see what it was all about) 03:40:45 No, a match pattern of (list number?) would match any list of one value, and bind it to `number?'. 03:40:57 underspecified_ [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 03:41:29 ice_man`: Well, that (slime) is something that I never got into. I left the CL world before that. 03:42:05 i used slime a bit. it's very useful 03:42:32 i wonder if i'm in the credits. i contributed all of 2 lines of patch :) 03:44:21 I'm thinking about something different from match eli. 03:45:00 synx: `match' *is* perfect for these kinds of things. 03:45:37 BTW, I just realized that I can't switch to verizon -- last time I talked to them (maybe 4-5 years ago) I expressed my relief of never having to deal with them again. 03:46:23 So if I call them now I'll probably have the sales person say something embarrassing... And I can't have *that* happen... 03:46:52 just say, this is eli senior :p 03:47:28 Every time they'll have a problem and I'll call to complain, they'll probably say "remember that time you dumped us...?" 03:48:25 well eli, let's say I have two lists '(1 (1 (1 ("a" 2 3)))) and '(1 (1 1 ("a 2 3))), and I want to extract '("a" 2 3) from both of those using the same operation. Can match do that? 03:49:25 jlongster [n=user@68.59.187.95] has joined #scheme 03:50:02 synx: No now. What I'm saying is: (a) implement a search function (which is easy to do using `match' recursively), (b) use `define-match-syntax' to add a new `match' pattern syntax for such a thing, (c) accumulate profit. 03:54:26 -!- m811 [n=user@106.250.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:56:50 So what it would do is either match positive on X, hit a non-list and fail, or try matching on each element of X. 03:57:15 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [] 03:58:18 underspecified_ [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 03:58:23 synx: Yes, which would be easy to describe using `match'. 03:59:41 You forgot ?????? 04:00:51 My match briefly had tree matching syntax. 04:03:19 eli: You dislike verizon? 04:05:29 synx: forgot what? 04:05:41 foof: The trick is to make it extensible. 04:06:00 r2q2: I really dislike them all -- probably not surprising. 04:06:35 It goes like (1) implement a search-function (2) use `define-match-syntax` to add a new syntax for such a thing (3) ??????? (4) profit! 04:07:02 -!- Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:07:32 synx: No, there's no step needed there. 04:07:42 eli: When you use match prevasively in your code as an idiom (especially for destructuring bind uses) conciseness is desirable. 04:08:34 foof: Why should conciseness contradict extensibility? 04:09:06 (a b) vs (list a b) 04:09:34 foof: How about `(,a ,b). 04:09:52 And just the fact that the former matches the write syntax of the object you want to match, and is how I tend to think of the object in my head. 04:10:31 ... or how about ( (a b)) 04:10:38 Also tree matching is the only useful extension I've been able to think of, so once you've added that you cover 99% of all matching use cases. 04:11:20 FWIW, I *did* use the extensibility feature more than once, but never for matching on trees. 04:11:30 What did you use it for? 04:12:15 Regexp hacking, special predicates, and a few more. 04:12:27 Adrinael [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 04:13:13 An example for the regexp hacking was roughly making an (on-off a) pattenr expand to something that matches "on" and "off" with #t and #f. 04:13:16 And that was more concise than (? pred) ? 04:14:00 Yes. Since you want the `pred' to match either "on" or "off" and bind some identifier to a boolean -- but not match anything else. 04:14:41 With predicates I use things like (list (number: x) (string: y)) in my class, where it's very useful for building the parsers. 04:15:16 Oh, I see what you mean. I'd just bind the string in the pattern and bind the boolean value in the body. 04:15:36 ((? number? x) (? string? y)) 04:16:18 Re the regexp -- if you do that then you need to throw an error from inside the body, and that won't work easily as a tool to make `match' try later cases. 04:16:55 As for the predicates, I agree with you -- but for teaching the (? foo? x) form is much more difficult on students. 04:18:35 With the regexp case -- the (on-off x) my macro expands to: (app (lambda (x) (list x (equal? x "on"))) (list (or "on" "off") x)) -- not pretty but it works. 04:18:45 (And the result is pretty.) 04:31:25 xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has joined #scheme 04:44:18 klutometis: eric doyle, I mean 04:44:25 incubot: though i always suspected offby1's real name was Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs 04:44:28 http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/isaac_is_deceived/gn27_11-12.html 04:44:53 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:46:32 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-194-60.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:46:34 Modius_ [n=Modius@99.179.103.240] has joined #scheme 04:49:18 gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c023h065.dorm.reed.edu] has joined #scheme 04:50:45 incubot: oh, the brick testament is hilarious; i only wish it weren't in earnest, however 04:50:48 another brick in the wall. 04:54:03 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:58:21 klutometis: it isn't. look at the site of the guy who did it. 04:59:13 xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has joined #scheme 04:59:57 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:02:56 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@99.179.103.240] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:03:26 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:04:37 davidad [n=me@RANDOM-NINETY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 05:05:38 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:06:41 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:07:08 incubot: another panel in the ceiling. 05:07:11 ...back out my changes and it edits unicode text in multiple panels, easy has easy panel-specific font scaling w/ Ctrl-+/-, and can toggle between horizontal and vertical text layout. 05:07:29 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:08:45 Adamant: ah, "an atheist on a mission from god"; interesting 05:09:02 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:09:12 more like "an atheist who wants to be a dick" 05:09:17 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 05:09:54 like we don't have enough of those already. guys like that annoyed me when I was an atheist and they still annoy me now. 05:09:56 eli: got mail, will send. 05:10:10 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:10:47 Adamant: what supplanted atheism, btw? 05:11:04 klutometis: weirdness 05:11:19 nice 05:11:28 I now believe Gonzo the Muppet is the Second Coming 05:11:36 Jesus is the Third 05:11:37 :P 05:11:41 you probably want to be coding in ML 05:11:56 neilv: only the syntax is weird 05:12:20 Adamant: i, too, have a religious experience everytime i watch the muppets 05:13:09 klutometis: just be good or the guy in the upper balcony will heckle you and you will fail 05:13:13 *guys 05:13:45 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit ["off"] 05:16:16 Adamant: even if you are good, they don't spare the heckle; q.v. fozzy's "on" shows 05:16:50 klutometis: right, but the heckling is less 05:17:41 -!- gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c023h065.dorm.reed.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:17:41 Adamant: ML isn't haskell, though... 05:18:16 bpalmer: I like Haskell. don't see the weird there, and the syntax is much saner than ML's. 05:18:57 saccade__ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:18:57 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:26:29 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28:30 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 05:32:07 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:41:28 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:41:42 cel [n=cel@105.Red-79-150-207.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 05:43:16 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-196-176.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:46:07 hi 05:46:12 xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has joined #scheme 05:46:26 i've seen an interesting challenge for a program in a Python forum 05:46:32 and i'm trying to solve it in Scheme 05:46:57 basically the problem is to find how many members of a given list A "overlap" 05:47:06 with the members of another list B 05:47:13 that is... 05:47:24 (list-overlap '(10 20 30) '(20 30 40)) 05:47:30 should yield: 2 05:47:46 because the last (20 30) on the first list overlap with the first (20 30) on the second 05:48:35 i'm struggling to find a better solution, but it's hard, the problem does not say if there can be repeated items, or the lists are sorted or they may contain anything other than integers 05:48:45 but here is my code if someone can help... 05:49:13 (define (list-overlap ls1 ls2) 05:49:13 (let loop ((i (min (length ls1) (length ls2)))) 05:49:13 (if (equal? (take-right ls1 i) 05:49:13 (take-left ls2 i)) 05:49:13 i (loop (1- i))))) 05:49:46 thanks if anyone reads that brick of text, i know it's hard hours :) 05:51:47 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:52:14 xwl` [n=user@114.246.86.235] has joined #scheme 05:53:55 -!- pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-194.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 05:54:51 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-66-143-166-148.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:57:03 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 05:57:40 -!- CSdread_ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:57:54 CSdread__ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has joined #scheme 05:58:31 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #scheme 05:59:31 -!- saccade__ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Success] 06:06:11 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.91.147] has quit [Success] 06:06:34 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@196-210-170-44-wblv-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:06:45 Modius_ [n=Modius@67.67.196.176] has joined #scheme 06:07:05 pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 06:07:47 -!- xwl` is now known as xwl 06:09:27 -!- jlongster [n=user@68.59.187.95] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:11:06 -!- pumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-194.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:11:51 -!- sphex [n=nobody@74.56.138.185] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:14:59 ASau [n=user@host75-230-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #scheme 06:24:29 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-196-176.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:25:02 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-109-2-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #scheme 06:25:18 new version: http://www.neilvandyke.org/sicp-plt/ 06:25:41 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:30:18 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.86.235] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:30:38 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [] 06:32:26 -!- davidad [n=me@RANDOM-NINETY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:34:15 neilv, does the scheme-announce list with quack.el versions announcements still exist? i sent an email in march requesting to be added but i just noticed that quack 0.36 came out and i didn't seem to be on the list. (dmoerner@gmail.com) 06:35:00 sorry, the list temporarily doesn't exist 06:35:19 i need to migrate it to my new email setup 06:35:54 neilv, no problem, just checking. fyi quack is back in debian, it's now distributed as part of emacs-goodies-el though rather than quack-el 06:41:59 thanks. i updated the web page 06:42:21 looks like stable has quack-el still 06:42:27 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:49:37 it's in oldstable (etch), lenny has nothing at the moment 06:49:44 lenny being the current stable 06:56:44 ok 07:00:21 xwl [n=user@114.246.86.235] has joined #scheme 07:07:16 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@67.67.196.176] has quit [Client Quit] 07:07:32 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-196-176.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:11:56 -!- rmrfchik [n=paul@relay2.jet.msk.su] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:12:07 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 07:16:07 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-221-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:16:30 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 07:23:14 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-221-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:27:22 foof: ...and here comes yet another one. 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http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/28/1734243/An-Argument-For-Leaving-DNS-Control-In-US-Hands' yields anything? 19:01:39 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/mkh6sn 19:02:03 curl: (52) Empty reply from server 19:02:18 And what if you go there in a web browser, such as Firefox? 19:02:41 works fine 19:02:57  19:03:01 And what about a web browser other than Firefox, such as OmniWeb? 19:03:30 ...er. foof, your keyboard is broken! Please try unsticking the space-invader key. 19:03:30 i tested on IE 19:03:30 "connection interrupted" 19:03:56 on firefox 19:03:59 Konqueror works, too 19:04:00 that page does have a lot of javascript 19:04:02 Huh. 19:04:20 JavaScript shouldn't affect whether the server sends an empty response, leppie. 19:04:34 Loads fine in Safari. 19:04:43 looks like slashdot changed their URI format 19:04:47 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/1734243 19:05:01 does not load in FF 19:05:16 Hmm, that URI works in OmniWeb, synx. 19:05:25 doesn't work in Amaya 19:05:27 hmmm, it needs the ' at the end 19:05:34 ?? 19:05:34 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-200-84.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:05:39 The "'"? 19:05:43 no 19:05:46 arggg 19:05:47 .oO( Amaya?! ) 19:05:52 :) 19:05:56 seems like found a major browser bug :p 19:06:08 -!- z-axis [n=sergk@217.175.10.33] has quit [] 19:06:18 This isn't a browser bug; this is a server bug. 19:06:19 Ohh dangit 19:06:20 [code=SERVER_RESPONSE_RESET] FF err 19:06:25 No browser bug leppie. 19:06:29 No server bug either. 19:06:43 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/28/1734243/An-Argument-For-Leaving-DNS-Control-In-US-Hands 19:06:45 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/mkh6sn 19:06:50 ...or maybe there is. 19:07:05 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/28/1734243/An-Argument-For-Leaving-DNS-Control-In-US-Hands/ works 19:07:07 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/kqv3aq 19:07:24 ok that first one you pasted worked synx 19:07:27 in FF 19:07:58 intermittent error maybe? 19:08:05 The *cough* IRC client parsed the #\' on the end as part of the URI. 19:08:32 And apparantly /.'s scripts are set to cheese out if you don't end an article URI in a / 19:08:52 So some web browsers will get that failure and randomly guess that maybe it needs a /. FF does not that I know of. 19:08:55 no it loads fine now here too 19:09:38 works in w3, too 19:09:40 Well, anyway, Slashdot is confused. 19:10:27 -!- travisbrady [n=travisbr@shiva.mochimedia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:10:30 in Amaya it only works with the '/' at the end 19:10:43 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-221-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:11:34 perhaps I disabled whatever FF's guessing algorithm is, since I'd rather it not do that sort of thing. 19:11:49 travisbrady [n=travisbr@shiva.mochimedia.net] has joined #scheme 19:14:48 alaricsp__ [n=alaricsp@89.167.176.6] has joined #scheme 19:14:54 gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c023h065.dorm.reed.edu] has joined #scheme 19:15:00 -!- gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c023h065.dorm.reed.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:15:34 haha funny article though 19:15:54 "Most countries lack our First Amendment tradition" *crosses hand over heart, eyes sparkling* 19:15:58 Maybe I ought to have added before posting that URI that the article is not remotely worth the time to read. 19:16:47 I would argue that applies to /. itself. 19:17:02 Yes, but sometimes Slashdot at least references interesting articles. 19:17:52 Very high signal to noise ratio though. 19:17:54 -!- wingo_ [n=wingo@ATuileries-152-1-19-119.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:18:01 You mean low? 19:19:31 ...yes 19:19:49 *synx* goes somewhere to die now 19:20:44 -!- ejs [n=eugen@229-98-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:21:22 In all seriousness though, I don't know many sources for decent news. 19:30:02 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@89.167.176.6] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:36:43 zane [n=zane@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:46:26 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:55:31 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056072.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:00:43 -!- HG` [n=wells@xdslfa193.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:04 mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.50.79.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 20:22:09 krat3r [n=krat@81.84.156.91] has joined #scheme 20:26:23 -!- Arelius__ is now known as Arelius 20:31:24 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-55.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:37:59 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-112.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:44:17 -!- zane [n=zane@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1"] 20:44:39 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:56:49 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:00:25 -!- mrscheme [n=user@67.110.140.180.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:03:15 -!- alaricsp__ [n=alaricsp@89.167.176.6] has quit [] 21:09:31 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:13:06 duaneb [i=45cd3b57@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a3fed6470acf0ae] has joined #scheme 21:13:10 hi schemers 21:13:15 synx: "in good sadness" is a nice alternative to "in all seriousness" 21:13:20 duaneb: harro 21:13:33 is there a regex (or something of the sort) of what a symbol might look like? 21:13:37 in terms of characters? 21:14:00 duaneb: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-10.html#%_sec_7.1 21:14:02 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/nnofal 21:14:05 I mean, a symbol is just a string 21:14:14 but you can't use '#f' as a symbol :P 21:14:25 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:14:27 klutometis: perfect, thanks :) 21:15:14 rudybot: eval (string->symbol "#f") 21:15:15 chandler: your sandbox is ready 21:15:15 chandler: ; Value: |#f| 21:15:43 chandler: well, yes 21:15:49 but the READER won't read it as thus 21:16:10 Just making sure you knew what you were asking :-) 21:16:48 rudybot: eval (eq? '#f (string->symbol "#f")) 21:16:49 duaneb: your sandbox is ready 21:16:49 duaneb: ; Value: #f 21:17:05 rudybot: eval (symbol->string '|#f|) 21:17:06 sjamaan: your sandbox is ready 21:17:06 sjamaan: ; Value: "#f" 21:17:47 The || are optional for symbols unless it would otherwise not be interpreted as a symbol 21:17:57 sjamaan: well, yes 21:17:57 rudybot: eval (eq? '|foo| 'foo) 21:17:58 sjamaan: ; Value: #t 21:18:02 but that wasn't what I was asking :) 21:18:25 ok, then read the R5 spec linked above :) 21:18:52 *duaneb* does so 21:24:59 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-41.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:26:42 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-41.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:28:50 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-41.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:31:12 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-194-31.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:31:50 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-41.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:33:13 So define-match-syntax doesn't seem to exist in plt. 21:33:50 Maybe I should just use datum->syntax and syntax-case... 21:34:51 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [] 21:35:10 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-146-241-73.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:37 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:35:54 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-200-84.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:37:23 -!- wakenbake [i=43b9b222@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f4143b49c09e6dc] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 21:37:33 saccade__ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:38:55 syntax-case can't skip over elements that don't matter though... 21:41:00 so 21:41:05 in that r5rs spec 21:41:27 it has "peculiar identifiers" as: "+ | - | ..." 21:41:32 what is "..."? 21:41:39 it's a symbol 21:41:54 rudybot: eval '... 21:41:55 chandler: ; Value: ... 21:42:36 huh 21:42:38 I never knew that 21:42:58 Do you know Scheme? 21:43:33 chandler: sort of 21:43:36 chandler: no. 21:43:57 I theoretically know everything in scheme, but not scheme itself. 21:44:49 ... what? 21:44:55 heh 21:46:36 as in: I know functional programming, and I've written a lisp 21:46:56 -!- saccade__ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:48:51 But you don't know Scheme. 21:49:09 So you shouldn't be surprised at not knowing that "..." denotes a symbol in Scheme. 21:49:11 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:50:06 chandler: I just assumed it was an ellipsis, in the same sense that "a | b | c | ... | z" was 21:51:38 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-194-31.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:57:37 I'm ot 21:58:10 -!- mike_ [n=m@dslb-088-066-241-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:00:22 1st 22:00:36 No, actually I didn't say that. 22:00:46 Not here at least. 22:02:50 mreggen_ [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.50.79.getinternet.no] has joined #scheme 22:17:26 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.50.79.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:38 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 22:25:31 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056072.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:28:50 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-26-55.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:31:37 thesnowdog [i=thesnowd@67.147.220.203.dial.dynamic.acc01-aubu-gou.comindico.com.au] has joined #scheme 22:32:06 duaneb, note the difference in typography, though. 22:32:24 duaneb, in `+ | - | ...', the ellipsis is set in the same face as the plus and minus signs. 22:32:30 Riastradh: true. 22:32:34 I hadn't thought ofo that 22:32:36 of* that 22:34:18 brandelune [n=suzume@pl710.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:36:22 rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 22:44:48 -!- travisbrady [n=travisbr@shiva.mochimedia.net] has left #scheme 22:48:29 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:49:53 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@f051196031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 22:54:37 Riastradh: When parsing files or other streams, it is necessary to match the end of input? 22:54:45 there, finally got sxpath and sxml working. 22:54:59 Riastradh: I'm getting an error "Unexpected end of input," from my combinators on the line right after the end of the file. 22:55:43 With a little help from "Lizorkin" that is. 22:58:35 Riastradh: Nevermind, I think I figured it out. 23:04:03 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:05:55 synx: Did you even think about trying the docs before you jump to `datum->syntax'? 23:09:06 I've been reading the docs for a few days now. 23:09:21 Specifically on match. 23:13:02 synx: If you'd just try to search the docs, then you'd see that I had a typo -- it's `define-match-expander'. (And you'd see it as you type the first two words.) 23:14:25 Oh okay. But define-match-expander can't tell it to match deeper inside the list, only to match again on the top level of the list. 23:14:54 *eli* sighs 23:15:25 `define-match-expander' is the way you *expand* the `match' pattern syntax. 23:15:38 You will also need to write the code for the tree search. 23:15:43 As I said yesterday. 23:15:46 Twice. 23:15:48 Or more. 23:24:00 myeh... inserting stuff into databases is hard 23:24:16 projections [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has joined #scheme 23:24:26 -!- tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:26:19 borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-215-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 23:27:59 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:28:27 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@84.42.251.245] has joined #scheme 23:28:48 tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 23:29:11 -!- duaneb [i=45cd3b57@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a3fed6470acf0ae] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 23:29:52 -!- gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:30:20 incubot: Marmosets are New World monkeys and therefore more distantly related to humans than, for example, chimpanzees. 23:30:23 -!- stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:30:24 the lambda functions are only distantly-related to lambda calculus 23:31:41 dysinger_ [n=tim@166.129.2.194] has joined #scheme 23:32:26 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-204-130-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:32:37 incubot: the masculine-feminine interface is one of spontaneity-obligation 23:32:40 I think that is the main point, people can answer or not answer, they are under no obligation to answer any question, whether on topic or off-topic. 23:32:52 rudybot: later tell synx SQLite told me to tell you: synx, put it in me--i'm waiting for it 23:32:53 minion: memo for synx: zbigniew told me to tell you: SQLite told me to tell you: synx, put it in me--i'm waiting for it 23:32:54 Remembered. I'll tell synx when he/she/it next speaks. 23:33:53 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@84.42.251.245] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:33:55 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34:21 bah, SQLite waits for no man 23:34:21 synx, memo from rudybot: zbigniew told me to tell you: SQLite told me to tell you: synx, put it in me--i'm waiting for it 23:34:53 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 23:36:18 stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 23:37:03 incubot: ow, my Outis hurts 23:37:06 it hurts 23:41:45 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-158.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:57 -!- melgray_ [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [] 23:44:19 -!- projections [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has quit [] 23:46:23 *`Antonio`* good night 23:46:39 -!- `Antonio` [n=kvirc@92.6.187.78] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 23:50:56 -!- dysinger [n=tim@166.129.135.115] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:51:55 -!- mejja [n=user@c-87bae555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:54:46 incubot: have you ever taken turing test? 23:54:49 only configuration I've ever changed is my default nick. 23:55:23 incubot: so, what is your name? 23:55:26 They also name styles of music, but I'm not competent to explain the difference. 23:55:48 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.153.15] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 23:56:28 minion: have you ever taken the turing test? 23:56:29 i have ever taken the turing test 23:56:35 minion: all the time? 23:56:36 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 23:56:36 -!- dysinger_ [n=tim@166.129.2.194] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]