00:02:11 arcfide: A repl for r6rs is tricky, yes -- for that you do need to deal with modules. 00:02:35 offby1, arcfide: An R5RS repl is easy to get -- you just run `plt-r5rs'. 00:02:51 -!- tessier [n=treed@unused-105-40-113.ixpres.com] has left #scheme 00:07:44 aaaahhh 00:07:48 *offby1* smacks forehead 00:20:44 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:24:04 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 00:24:26 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 00:31:49 foof: there was a GC problem with w3m and I think Boehm GC 7.0, could that be the problem? 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Wikipedia itself is painfully slow to use. 04:39:21 oh ok 04:39:24 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["has been attacked by a grue"] 04:39:35 ui wonder what they do with their funds then :p 04:39:59 foof: i DL'd it once, but couldn't do anything useful with the uncompressed dump (it took days just to import them into the DB) 04:40:07 how can you actually process that data meaningfully? 04:40:36 Actually, I should've looked for a closer mirror... the pages I navigated through didn't offer any mirror lists. 04:40:38 i wanted to do a directed graph at the time over graphviz of all intrawiki links 04:40:49 totally quixotic 04:41:04 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-0-162-67.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:41:20 synthase [n=synthase@adsl-0-174-94.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 04:41:46 I also chose a bad time - a lot of the files are "in-progress" which means they're in the middle of making the latest 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16:34:12 incubot: I think you're still smarter than wolfram alpha 16:34:14 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:34:14 I used to work at Wolfram Research, and interviewed a lot of people while I was working there. I found that almost universally, anyone who did not know assembly did not really know how to program, and the best programmers had learned assembly early on. 16:34:52 -!- rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:35:40 nope, incubot has proven itself dumber than wolfram alpha 16:37:08 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [No route to host] 16:40:04 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:52:07 -!- aLeSD [n=alex@193.153.120.180] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:56:33 meingbg [n=user@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #scheme 16:58:41 incubot: Is that really true? Are you dumber than Alpha? 16:58:44 It teaches how to use the simpler, dumber sheep for sex. 16:58:50 *Maddas* falls over 16:59:47 *offby1* backs away slowly 17:00:23 incubot: wolfalephzero? 17:01:24 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has quit ["Client exiting"] 17:04:38 korvin [n=korvin@host-202-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #scheme 17:04:43 re all 17:06:11 is it possible to redefine 'lambda in cchicken? 17:06:27 luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has joined #scheme 17:07:11 korvin: write macro. 17:08:21 latest chicken has syntax manipulation "built" in. 17:09:04 ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.93.147] has joined #scheme 17:09:06 sladegen . ok, what symbol should I use in it? for example: (define-syntax lambda (syntax-rules () ((_ args ...) (symbol args ...)))) ? 17:09:26 something like ##sys#lambda or what? 17:09:44 Hi! In PLT, what is the closest equivalent of CL's destructuring-bind? 17:09:49 or not define-syntax ? 17:12:24 korvin: well, yes... but it depends what you actually want to achieve... 17:13:04 you will not be able to redefine scheme's semantics. 17:15:51 ebzzry: hm. match-lambda, maybe 17:15:56 rudybot_: doc match-lambda 17:16:19 rudybot_: *thump* *thump* is this thing on? 17:16:32 offby1: Is that part of match.ss? Ah, yes it is. 17:16:44 sladegen . I want to add some functionality to 'lambda, but I want use 'lambda symbol to it, not some 'new-name. I can make it via (eval ...) and loop that will change 'lambda to 'new-name before evaluating, but it's bring some other problems to me =) 17:16:51 ebzzry: it's built in to the language; you don't need to (require) anything for it, as far as I know. 17:17:00 ebzzry: unless you're using an ancient version of mzscheme 17:17:08 rudybot_: nick rudybot 17:17:55 offby1: Thanks 17:18:33 -!- ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.93.147] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:23:02 rudybot: why does my IRC client think your nick is rudybot_ 17:23:02 *offby1: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 17:23:16 rudybot: doc match-lambda 17:23:18 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 17:23:24 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/match.html#(form._((lib._scheme%2Fmatch..ss)._match-lambda)) 17:23:57 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:08 korvin: well, i never personally tried to work with redefined lambda. using modules you should be able to shadow lambda in your modules needing different functionality. or better yet, just use different name. 17:24:42 sladegen . ok, thanks 17:27:30 like llama :p 17:28:08 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 17:30:42 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:32:16 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:32:43 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:33:38 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 17:34:51 offby1: It's part of `scheme', but not `scheme/base'. 17:38:16 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:40:15 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-30-105.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 17:41:13 pranav_ [n=pranav@122.167.108.197] has joined #scheme 17:42:42 leppie . =)) 17:43:22 -!- meingbg [n=user@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has left #scheme 17:43:41 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:43:45 Hello 17:44:25 im going through SICP now, have just completed chapter 3 and am about to start metalinguistic abstraction! 17:45:02 what part of SICP was the most mindblowing in your opinion? 17:45:58 -!- pranav_ [n=pranav@122.167.108.197] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46:12 well, if I recall correctly, the last chapter was hard enough that I ... uh ... never finished it 17:46:21 y'know there's a ##SICP channel? 17:46:41 pranav_ [n=pranav@122.167.108.197] has joined #scheme 17:47:58 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-12-151.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:50:09 choas [n=lars@p5B0DD68C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:52:01 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-30-105.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:55:55 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:56:23 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:56:30 wingo [n=wingo@169.Red-88-17-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:08:43 npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has joined #scheme 18:14:37 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 18:16:40 hm... smalltalk systems can (theoretically) save and reload the state of the interpreter. Are there any schemes that can do the same? 18:17:12 dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #scheme 18:20:02 No, Scheme is a grownup language. 18:20:38 how is that grownup? 18:22:18 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 18:22:28 I'm half joking. The idea of saving your image and reloading it is cute, but pretty much useless. 18:22:50 -!- flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p5080A0F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:23:33 I'm almost certain there are some that do that. MIT scheme maybe? 18:23:37 flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p5080A0F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:23:50 eli: useless, huh? I've never really done it, but it _sounds_ useful 18:24:03 mzscheme apparently used to do it, from documentation that google gave me 18:24:15 you don't want to do that except for really specialized purposes 18:24:41 *mejja* would love to have a "scheme machine" 18:24:46 it was a necessary evil in smalltalk because the computers were so underpowered 18:24:48 I was playing around with something like a MOO, only with less dumb syntax and single-user 18:24:58 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:58 pranav__ [n=pranav@122.167.94.56] has joined #scheme 18:25:03 and the logical way to save state of that across restarts seems to be heap images 18:25:07 *mejja* .. with a built in spell checker! 18:25:13 Yes, mzscheme does that in theory -- the code didn't work with ELF binaries, and nobody ever missed it since. 18:25:19 the big monolithic image was also considered a liability of smalltalk, and one of the reasons it didn't take off better 18:25:43 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["..."] 18:25:51 There are several bad points for saving images. One that I had the pleasure to encounter is that it's a horrible interface to distributing applications. 18:25:51 i think scheme48 can save images too 18:26:03 also, look what google (and now mozilla) are doing, breaking up the browser into multiple host processes 18:26:16 The procedure is something that involves getting the code to just the right place, then applying a tree shaker to remove junk, then save an image. 18:26:18 I didn't know mozilla was going that route too 18:26:50 It was a very fragile procedure -- if you do some stupid mistake like play a little in the repl, you can end up with a huge image, or a broken one. 18:26:52 leppie: maybe I was thinking of scheme48 when I said "MIT scheme" -- in any case, I'm pretty sure it's one of the schemes that Riastradh is fond of :) 18:27:04 *offby1* nods 18:27:08 -!- pranav_ [n=pranav@122.167.108.197] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:27:24 So really this was sort of like trying to twist your image saver into something that resembles a traditional compiler thing. 18:27:36 there are merits to big images, and someday we will want to go back there in some form, but i don't think so right now 18:28:25 The second complaint, which I heard recently, is some horror stories on the mess you get into with smalltalk if the virtual machine crashes... 18:28:53 -!- flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p5080A0F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:29:00 like a bug in the bootstrap 18:29:05 flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p5080A0F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:29:10 offby1: try (disk-save "foo.com") followed by (disk-restore "foo.com") in mit-scheme. 18:29:28 the smalltalks i used were stable. the self system i used was crashing all the time and losing my code 18:29:40 aha, scheme48 can do it 18:29:49 thanks offby1 18:30:12 *eli* sighs 18:30:49 Elly: Just in case I didn't say it clearly: relying on saving images in any way is something that you will regret in the future. 18:30:56 I'm not relying on it at all 18:31:18 I just wanted a way to create stuff interactively instead of by writing a source file 18:31:28 s/relying/using/ 18:31:53 you could do something that created stuff interactively, but saved as source 18:31:57 emacs saves images 18:32:10 neilv: how does one do that? 18:32:31 *Elly* contemplates 18:32:33 wingo: Yes, and building Emacs involve that save-image-butchered-to-compilation stupidity. 18:32:37 emacs does that for a good reason. loading would take eons otherwise 18:33:10 What's the difference between loading an image and loading bytecode files? 18:33:23 wingo: yup -- M-x dump-something 18:33:35 wingo: as far as I know, that's strictly to save startup time 18:33:44 because mmap is faster than reading and parsing, I guess 18:33:52 probably not even needed any more these days 18:34:10 offby1: `dump-emacs' -- and it's definitely not an interactive command. 18:34:16 eli: I assume the image is compiled somewhat more than the bytecode is 18:35:00 elly: depends what kind of interactivity you have. if it's direct manipulation of graphics, then you generate comparable scheme source. if it's like a repl, maybe you figure out what to save, or you save as a transaction log and play it back, or something else 18:35:04 offby1: If that's true (I don't think it is) then it just points at a deficiency of Emacs's byte-compilation. 18:35:24 saving startup time is a good thing 18:35:26 offby1: In any case, `mmap' is usually far too little to load images. 18:35:42 wingo: What startup time is saved? 18:36:06 eli: constants that can be mmaped directly, with suitable alignment 18:36:11 static strings in readonly sections 18:36:13 etc 18:36:27 i don't know what exactly emacs does tho 18:36:51 conceptually startup should be just a jump 18:36:59 everything else is extraneous computation 18:37:03 wingo: does guile do anything like that? 18:37:09 offby1: nope 18:37:12 scm does 18:37:13 did it ever? 18:37:14 oh. 18:37:15 wingo: Same thing I said in reply to offby1. If you need a constant to be mapped directly, and that takes time, then your bytecode compiler is lacking. 18:37:16 perhaps 18:37:50 emacs had dumping before it had a bytecode compiler 18:37:50 eli: conses take time, yo 18:37:57 collectively can be a bit 18:38:22 *wingo* not being very precise, i know ;) 18:38:59 eli: most schemes require some kind of alignment for constants, wrappers for strings, etc 18:39:25 wingo: What I'm saying is (roughly), -- if (defconst foo (cons 1 2)) takes time to load because you're consing, then your compiler is bad. It should compile the code to make it as fast as an image. 18:39:32 dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-184-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 18:39:52 eli: perhaps you are right. 18:40:13 saving images does put off the need for such a compiler, of course... 18:40:28 but i see your point. 18:41:30 wingo: Just think about the sequence of operations that are needed to bind `foo' to (1 . 2) when an image is restored, and when a bytecode file is loaded. There shouldn't be any difference. 18:43:05 r0bby_ [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 18:43:41 -!- r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has quit [Client Quit] 18:44:18 -!- r0bby_ [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has quit [Client Quit] 18:44:41 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 18:45:58 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 18:48:05 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-184-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:49:04 jao [n=jao@240.Red-83-46-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:00:09 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:05:40 -!- pranav__ [n=pranav@122.167.94.56] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:12:41 pumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-194.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 19:20:59 Has anyone come across a wiki engine, whics can "output" pages similar to tex2page, I mean: (1)Title page (2)Full TOC (3)Index (4)First/last/prev/next navigation? (PS:)I know, that this is the wrong channel. 19:22:17 -!- korvin [n=korvin@host-202-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit ["(quit *servers* 'x_X)"] 19:22:22 What I have never seen in wiki and lack is full TOC and index. 19:22:42 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 19:22:56 Also any Ideas where else I can ask this question? 19:27:05 you should write one in scheme :) 19:27:13 *wingo* doesn't actually know of any wikis written in scheme 19:27:49 http://community.schemewiki.org/ 19:28:51 http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/svnwiki/index 19:29:42 neat 19:32:23 -!- jao [n=jao@240.Red-83-46-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:32:24 wingo: Writing another one wiki is a good idea, but still I have to make sure, that would be a unique one :) In fact, I've got some implementation ideas, based on an scm (hg, git, svn or whatever) + latex. But to be honest, tex syntax is what I want to avoid as well :) 19:33:59 I'm also quite confused with syntax highlighting options in latex. I've tried a package or two, but they suck. 19:36:19 Do the SRFI mailing lists at schemers.org reply to the subscribe request? 19:38:35 I think, I'll move to the nearest *tex channel 19:42:55 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:43:12 -!- bsund [n=bsund@213.180.77.55] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:43:46 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:49:16 Mr-Cat: git, git! :) 19:49:45 http://wingolog.org/software/tekuti/ 19:51:06 -!- mejja [n=user@c-a3b3e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:53:06 offby1, Yes, guile had an unexec at one time. 19:53:53 -!- npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has quit [] 19:54:35 offby1, or maybe it was scwm. 19:55:13 wingo: Yeah, git has a nice load of features, but I don't use most of them in day-to-dat life. So, I'm using mercurial for now. Btw, is there a non-cygwin-windows version for git? 19:55:41 -!- dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [] 19:55:49 Mr-Cat: i think there is a mingw version 19:56:13 Ah yes, there is an msysgit. 19:56:17 Mr-Cat: git is good for storing arbitrary graphs of text 19:56:28 it happens to have a VCS written on top of it ;) 20:01:12 jedc [n=jed1@c-98-232-225-102.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:12 the world doesn't need more wikis ... 20:07:02 *mbishop* leaves wikis on offby1's lawn 20:09:16 that's what wiki means in hawaiian, right? neighbor's trash on your lawn? 20:11:33 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13:09 npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has joined #scheme 20:14:31 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 20:16:33 damned kids 20:17:03 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:17:27 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 20:19:56 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22:33 -!- sanita [n=sanchy@89.242.89.101] has quit [] 20:27:03 -!- ejs [n=eugen@175-115-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:28:37 -!- abbe [n=abbe@abbe.is.a.member.of.pirateparty.in] has quit [] 20:29:53 -!- vorpal [n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal] has quit ["The incensed priests...continued to raise their voices, vituperating each other in bad Latin"] 20:36:48 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 20:40:37 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 20:42:17 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-6.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:44:33 mejja [n=user@c-a3b3e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 20:49:48 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52:20 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:54:33 webjunkie [n=guilly00@189.149.9.235] has joined #scheme 20:58:39 mmc [n=mima@cs142048.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 21:05:29 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:05:56 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-202-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:09:00 -!- npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has quit [] 21:10:10 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 21:11:25 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 21:12:40 npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has joined #scheme 21:16:29 annodomini [n=lambda@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:16:41 Quadre` [n=quad@24.118.241.200] has joined #scheme 21:18:01 -!- npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has quit [] 21:20:02 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:20:39 -!- Quadre` is now known as Quadrescence 21:27:32 geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has joined #scheme 21:27:53 -!- mejja [n=user@c-a3b3e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:29:18 npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has joined #scheme 21:30:20 -!- r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:32:17 -!- npe [n=npe@91.180.54.252] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:15 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:35:54 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.167.220] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:39:49 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 21:40:17 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44:48 *`Antonio`* good night !!! 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22:27:49 *hnnnggg* 22:27:50 heavy book! 22:28:00 lol 22:28:10 another nice shield 22:29:23 is decrement decremented ? :D 22:29:35 my interpreter doesn't recognise -1+ 22:30:10 I want to pass the decrement (primitive operation) as a parameter 22:30:26 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 22:30:39 it does recognise 1+ so I find it odd 22:31:18 gaaah 22:31:24 ay carumba 22:31:24 (+1 is increment) 22:31:28 el splitto du nette 22:31:32 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:31:36 lol 22:31:45 rudybot: eval (add1 3) 22:31:46 *Riastradh* twitches. 22:31:48 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 22:32:13 rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 22:32:17 rudybot: eval (add1 3) 22:32:25 *sigh* 22:32:38 rudybot_: eval (add1 3) 22:32:38 *offby1: ; Value: 4 22:32:44 rudybot_: nick rudybot 22:32:44 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot__ 22:33:32 rudybot__: eval (1+ 4) 22:33:32 daedra: your sandbox is ready 22:33:33 daedra: error: reference to undefined identifier: 1+ 22:33:51 humm 22:34:07 that's not what GUILE thinks 22:34:26 actually yes it is :P 22:34:31 well, rudybot__ is PLT scheme, not guile 22:35:26 how can I be safest and use increment/decrement that will work univerally? 22:35:34 (throughout scheme breeds) 22:35:37 (+ x 1) (- x 1) 22:35:47 oh 22:35:55 -!- rudybot__ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:36:02 oops, I killed him 22:36:11 You bastard! 22:36:50 . /nick kenny 22:37:14 /me watches kenny being eaten by rats 22:38:19 -!- flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p5080A0F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #scheme 22:38:39 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 22:40:21 rudybot_ [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 22:40:42 there's a lesson there about doing brain surgery on an un-anesthetized patient 22:40:49 rudybot_: uptime 22:40:50 offby1`: I've been up for fifty seconds; this tcp/ip connection has been up for thirty-nine seconds 22:40:54 rudybot_: nick rudybot 22:40:55 offby1`: eh? Try "rudybot_: help". 22:41:32 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:41:32 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot__ 22:43:01 -!- rudybot__ is now known as rudybot 22:44:02 -!- offby1 [n=user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:44:08 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 22:57:00 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DD68C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:00:50 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #scheme 23:02:02 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:03:21 daedra: big Elder Scrolls fan? 23:04:52 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:05:59 Adamant: I used to play morrowind 23:06:06 but I mostly like the name 23:06:09 ah 23:07:09 ikaros_ [n=ikaros@78.51.167.225] has joined #scheme 23:07:26 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs142048.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:09:47 Hello everyone. 23:09:54 reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 23:11:29 Hello there, arcfide! 23:11:52 gnomon: How's everything? 23:12:46 Riastradh: r5rs 7.1.2 mentions that "any string that parses as an will also parse as a ." Is the converse true? 23:13:29 No. 23:14:49 I'm having trouble coming up with a counterexample. 23:16:27 arcfide, not too bad: it's a beautiful day, and I've got a neat new widget to play with. How about yourself? 23:16:49 gnomon: did the widget come from acme, by any chance? 23:16:54 gnomon: Playing with parser combinators some more, and trying to get a paper out. 23:16:56 :-) 23:17:47 arcfide, nice! Is the paper also about parser combinators? 23:18:48 gnomon: No, it's about Descot. 23:19:09 -!- wingo [n=wingo@169.Red-88-17-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:19:12 gnomon: Which happens to use parser combinators in pieces of the code, or relies on code that relies on parser combinators, and so I'm working out some details. 23:19:13 klutometis, sadly no; it came from Sony, which should be enough to reveal that it was received as a present. It's one of their earlier electronic book thingies, and so far the display is fantastic. I'm reading through Pride and Prejudice so that I may then dive into and fully enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. 23:19:27 arcfide, aha, I see. 23:19:37 gnomon: at the moment I am extending my mod_lisp library beyond what I think MIT Scheme's library does to handle submissions. 23:20:34 gnomon: interesting; would be curious to hear how it compares to the kindle. when you said widget, i had something like this in mind: http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/Acme2.jpg/220px-Acme2.jpg 23:20:36 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/on82et 23:21:19 arcfide: isn't descot your centralized scheme tracker? 23:21:34 klutometis: Decentralized, but yes. 23:21:57 klutometis, counterexample: (cond 0) 23:22:01 arcfide: what sort of paper-worthy innovations are you writing about? 23:22:20 Riastradh: but that's a , isn't it? 23:22:21 arcfide, sorry, I received your email but haven't had an opportunity to reply. 23:22:28 -!- iZZy_ [n=ikaros@g226141180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22:38 klutometis, well, really, the grammar is pretty silly. 23:22:45 klutometis: It's not so much a paper with innovations about algorithms or what not, but it's a paper detailing Descot in a somewhat more useful manner than the programming documentation or the slides. 23:22:47 It's best not to read too much into it. 23:23:15 Riastradh: Understandable, Right now I'm just making two passes over the stuff. I haven't taken the time to make a proper tokenizer, as the RFC is a little weird. 23:23:54 arcfide, I have been much too busy today -- I have been completely occupied by eating breakfast, and then by watching a performance of Emperor Norton's Stationary Marching Band on Boston Common. I'd better watch out lest I strain myself too much. 23:24:03 klutometis: It details the SRDF format for RFD Graphs, as well as the server protocol, and gives some examples of use and tries to justify Descot's existence. 23:24:26 klutometis, it looks more like this: http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/PRS500 23:24:33 Riastradh: Well, sounds almost as busy as my sitting down and reading lot's of modern fiction. 23:24:45 s/RFD/RDF/ 23:25:30 arcfide: you don't subscribe to mcsweeney's, do you? 23:25:44 Hehe, klutometis, no, I don't, am I missing something? 23:26:03 it has some nice modern fiction once and awhile 23:26:36 also, i get a bang out of their short films companion dvd 23:26:44 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:26:48 a bizarre collection of things not to be found on youtube 23:26:58 Oh. Hahah. When i said modern fiction I meant SciFi/Fantasy; right now I am branching out from High Fantasy into a sort of Dark Fantasy (Vampires, Werewolves, Witches, &c.), fun, relatively light, and many books to read. 23:26:59 -!- neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:27:09 arcfide: nice 23:27:57 -!- ikaros_ is now known as ikaros 23:28:03 gnomon: looks kindle-esque in that flattering way that only sony can pull off 23:30:34 dudleyf [n=dudleyf@ip70-178-212-238.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:53 klutometis, true! The Kindle is generally nicer, but this thing feels quite pleasant in the hand. 23:42:21 mejja [n=user@c-a3b3e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 23:43:40 Quadre` [n=quad@24.118.241.200] has joined #scheme 23:44:51 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:45:11 -!- Quadre` is now known as quadrescence 23:45:28 -!- quadrescence is now known as Quadrescence 23:46:34 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 23:49:56 -!- reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 23:51:15 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@78.51.167.225] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 23:54:25 reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme