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Try "rudybot: help". 04:51:29 copumpki: nice 04:51:43 I mean mailed, not emailed 04:51:56 *mbishop* read it as mailed 04:52:35 :) 04:52:41 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8lgp0/guido_van_rossum_somebody_mailed_me_a_copy/ 04:52:57 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/q3thja 04:56:35 good :) 04:57:19 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-0-167-77.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [No route to host] 04:57:30 synthase [n=synthase@adsl-220-175-28.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 04:58:27 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-223-100.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:59:42 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-67-67-219-207.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:14 http://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/1838308947 05:01:13 asshole; how dare he play naive. 05:01:57 as if no one knew he's a half-baked functionalist; and a half-baked objectivist; and a half-baked imperator. 05:02:25 that's what happens when popularity goes to your head (and yellow teeth) 05:04:43 This could start a trend. Someone should mail Linus Torvald a copy of TC++PL ("The C++ Programming Language") 05:05:59 How about a copy of K&R's book 05:06:30 A C++ book would get a much better reaction 05:06:36 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 05:07:09 I will never willingly advise anyone to learn C++ 05:07:16 unless you hated them 05:07:43 If I hated them I'd introduce them to the joys of database programming. 05:08:24 or intro them to the joys of maintaining someone's old Perl code 05:09:18 I wonder what book would be good to send to Stephen Wolfram? 05:09:23 No that's a form of foreplay for me. 05:10:35 Your fetish is masochism I see 05:11:39 What distinguishes Stephen Wolfram? 05:12:04 -!- breily [n=breily@c-69-243-14-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:12:15 Is that a setup for a joke? 05:12:43 No I seriously do not know. 05:13:38 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 05:14:46 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-67-67-219-207.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:17:29 synx: He started Mathematica 05:17:30 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@ppp-67-67-219-207.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:17:40 He got his PhD when he was 20 or something. 05:17:44 he's an arrogant asshole 05:18:01 He's an arro--- copumpki said what I was going to say. 05:18:39 His Mathematica is, though a fine package, completely useless for Mathematics because it's closed source. 05:18:48 I think much of his reputation is due to envy though 05:19:00 xtronrayzor: Why is that? I doubt it. 05:19:47 Mathematica... yeah I was going to say. 05:19:50 xtronrayzor: He pressed charges several times for some people publishing papers that he claimed had copyrighted mathematics or something. 05:20:05 Modius [n=Modius@99.179.99.8] has joined #scheme 05:20:12 Quadrescence: because whenever someone like that makes very bold and challenging statements (e.g. A New Kind of Science) that upturns the establishment, they become the target of ridicule 05:20:22 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f3b93140c2f2e922?dmode=source&output=gplain 05:20:25 xtronrayzor: NKS didn't really have bold statements. 05:20:26 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/osewsa 05:20:31 It's that program they forced us to use in math class that didn't do anything I couldn't have done on paper easier. 05:20:39 Someone should send Wolfram "How to make friends and influence people" 05:20:56 Send him Euler's "Elements of Algebra" 05:21:14 xtronrayzor: He withheld NKS for like...5 or more years, not making any publications for peer review, and then churned out a 500 or so page book of pictures. 05:21:51 Maybe it was 1000. I'd have to go in the other room to look. 05:22:00 1000 more like it 05:22:02 mbishop :) 05:22:48 -!- hadronzoo__ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 05:23:01 I think Mathematica would be a great tool if it were open source. It has a lot of nice things that other computer algebra systems lack; but... 05:23:17 ...let me find a little article thing a friend wrote. 05:23:24 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:23:38 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #scheme 05:23:39 Wolfram could use a copy of SICP, too, as I read recently that he thought lisp was slow (although he did say that looong ago) 05:23:40 programming in Mathematica is just a pain...so many stupid tricks :S 05:24:21 mbishop: Seriously? Haha, he has touted that Mathematica is "heavily influenced by lisp". 05:24:42 Maybe the early version of the language was 05:24:47 Well he claimed lisp was "inherently 100 times slower than C" 05:25:12 xtronrayzor: Nope. The early version of the language, called SMP, looks almost precisely the same as it is today. 05:25:12 At the time he stated it, that could well have been true 05:25:24 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/f3b93140c2f2e922?dmode=source&output=gplain 05:25:26 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/osewsa 05:25:34 xtronrayzor: No, it couldn't. 05:26:23 what year did he say it? 05:26:24 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-214.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 05:26:39 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["..."] 05:27:13 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:13 xtronrayzor: The old Lisps were faster than modern Lisps. 05:27:15 C used to be much better at hardware-specific hand-tuned optimizations on machines with little memory 05:27:19 mbishop: Interesting link. 05:27:19 "If I recall, he was 19 at the time." 05:27:33 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:35 find out how old wolfram is now and you've got a year 05:28:03 Born 1959 05:28:11 so 1978 05:28:12 so...78 05:28:16 thegeekinside [n=thegeeki@189.135.109.149] has joined #scheme 05:28:18 http://www65.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=age+of+Stephen+Wolfram 05:28:23 ;) 05:28:25 haha 05:28:35 CSdread____ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has joined #scheme 05:28:46 LOL :-) 05:28:58 -!- hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:29:28 xtronrayzor: no, he actually is an arrogant asshole :) a good friend of my parents was at a talk of his (to non-mathematicians) once, and he was talking about modular arithmetic. An audience member raised his hand and asked if he could elaborate on what that meant, and wolfram ignored him. He asked again, and wolfram responded, "oh, I'm sorry, I guess they teach different things in kindergarten where you're from" 05:29:51 hahaha 05:29:52 xtronrayzor: granted, that's a second-hand story, but accounts like that aren't uncommon, so I'd guess there's at least a bit of truth to it :) 05:30:40 yeah he's known to be a real dick 05:30:43 I actually popped in here because I am thinking about creating a CAS in Scheme (or my language I'm developing very much like scheme) 05:31:39 I thought there was a scheme CAS called mock-mathematica or something like that 05:32:31 xtronrayzor: I've only heard of JACAL 05:32:32 Wolfram probably had the creator assassinated though 05:33:12 http://www.computeralgebra.nl/systemsoverview/experimental/mock-mma.html 05:35:06 I'd like to see a nice handheld calculator that had a full scheme implementation 05:35:24 Something with nice buttons like the HP 05:35:24 xtronrayzor: That's one of my goals, kind of. 05:35:34 Quadrescence: would be very cool! 05:35:48 xtronrayzor: I have an HP-50g. I've written my own Scheme-like language in portable C 05:36:20 how does it perform on the 50g? 05:36:59 I honestly haven't done much testing with it on the 50g. I've only really done stuff on the iphone with it. :> They both have ARM processors, so, yeah. It does mostly fine on the iphone. 05:37:16 All I have at the moment is a HP 35s, and I really love the feel of the buttons 05:37:18 Moreover, the 50g can be softclocked to around 100 MHz 05:37:27 And the fact that the batteries last almost forever 05:37:30 xtronrayzor: 50g has the nice buttons too. 05:38:15 Its main programming language is Reverse Polish Lisp (RPL), which I don't find ideal. :/ 05:40:04 hmm, I see the 50g has has an SD card slot 05:40:08 Yeah 05:40:12 and IR 05:40:29 And some odd serial port. 05:40:42 you can load C programs onto it? 05:40:47 HP-GCC 05:41:22 oh wow 05:42:10 now I think I will get one! 05:42:45 Another "CAS is easy" opionion. 05:42:52 Good luck! 05:43:03 I have a book on computer algebra systems 05:43:06 it's interesting 05:43:41 I've got an HP12c...:P 05:43:57 http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/mca/ 05:43:59 that's the one 05:44:17 -!- CSdread__ [n=danielf@209-188-116-183.taosnet.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:44:25 ASau: Hey, I've written a few high-speed bigint libraries, and am currently finishing off a bignum (arbitrary floating points) with many of the basic elementary and transcendental functions. 05:44:46 So what? 05:44:57 Symbolic math isn't numerics. 05:45:01 Quadrescence: aribtrary floating point in the "decide on the precision beforehand, then compute" or "just compute, and ask for as many digits as you want" 05:45:09 ASau: And numerics aren't arbitrary numerics. 05:45:25 copumpki: The former. 05:45:28 ah 05:46:01 Quadrescence: it doesn't help with symbolics. 05:46:06 Like I said, good luck. 05:46:08 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.216.13.30] has quit [] 05:46:15 And I have to run away. 05:46:20 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit ["Off!"] 05:46:25 ASau: That paired with developing a Scheme-like language I'm pretty sure has more to do with Sy--he left. :| 05:47:03 -!- ASau` [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit ["Off!"] 05:47:27 Macsyma's wikipedia page needs some styling 05:47:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macsyma 05:51:39 Is the HP-50g the most powerful handheld calculator if you want to write your own apps? Its specs seem better than the TI-89 Titanium 05:52:21 I can't say for sure, but, it is pretty powerful. As I said, without making any hardware changes, you can change the clock speed easily. 05:53:14 You can also slow it down to conserve battery. 05:53:51 34, 48, 75, 90, 101, 113, 119, 124 ==> the available clock speeds in MHz 05:55:09 Actually, you can get it as low as 12 MHz, and up to 203 MHz. 05:55:51 http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6081 05:58:11 TI-NSPIRE seems quite powerful too 06:01:25 dysinger [n=tim@71.216.13.30] has joined #scheme 06:01:44 npe [n=npe@91.181.214.145] has joined #scheme 06:02:07 -!- thegeekinside [n=thegeeki@189.135.109.149] has left #scheme 06:02:28 mike [n=m@dslb-088-067-042-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 06:02:56 -!- mike is now known as Guest30040 06:06:51 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:07:09 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 06:08:23 -!- p1dzkl [i=rek@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:09:33 -!- Guest30040 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for an atom? 08:24:06 i thought it was (atom? foo)... 08:24:10 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 08:26:48 -!- projections [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has left #scheme 08:29:22 -!- copumpki is now known as pumpkin 08:31:21 ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 08:33:13 eut: (not (pair? x)) 08:34:43 ah thats what i was looking for 08:34:45 thanks 08:37:36 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.201.210] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:39:13 aLeSD: I don't see that necessarily involving an OO design 08:41:19 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:41:25 rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:47:29 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 08:54:46 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:04:22 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 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Is it anywhere in the standard? 15:22:29 http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-10.html#%_sec_7.1.1 15:22:42 http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.2.4 15:23:20 -!- ASau [n=user@77.246.230.151] has quit ["Off!"] 15:25:45 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:26:15 Oh, thanks. 15:26:28 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 15:26:43 -!- higepon711 [n=taro@FLH1Aip247.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:26:45 -!- projections_ [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has left #scheme 15:27:10 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/q68w6q 15:30:36 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/3tmrwx 15:31:09 rudybot:  15:31:10 foof: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 15:31:33 Don't be shinin' me on with all your fancy furrin' langridges 15:33:30 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:38:54 -!- rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-6-39.51-151.net24.it] has quit ["leaving"] 15:46:40 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:51:48 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:01:19 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.216.13.30] has quit [No route to host] 16:05:31 -!- aLeSD [n=alex@161.72.27.220] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06:28 offby2 [n=fircuser@m5b0e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 16:07:37 lisppaste: url 16:07:37 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 16:08:41 leoboiko [n=user@201.24.197.48] has joined #scheme 16:08:57 hkBst pasted "(syntax k); what does `k' refer to?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80497 16:09:53 dumb question: how do I do something like (define (string->symbol (myproc)) 'blah)? 16:10:21 leoboiko: use a macro to do it for you 16:10:37 ok 16:10:47 i think you'd need "eval" 16:11:10 I was trying to macro, but I keep getting it wrong (-_-); man I suck at macros 16:11:30 offby2: is macroing impossible for this? 16:11:31 leoboiko: me too :) 16:11:55 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:11:57 i suspect its impossible 16:12:19 you want to define a function whose name isnt known until runtime 16:12:50 but "define" does its thing at compile time, i think 16:13:29 offby2: isn't known until myproc has been eval'ed, which could be done at macro-expand time 16:14:15 what are you -really- trying to do? you might be able to use a simple dictionary that maps symbols to functions 16:15:42 offby2: oh, it could be done at source-writing-time with a simple emacs macro. I'm trying to program it more as an exercise 16:15:56 dysinger [n=tim@76.164.46.79] has joined #scheme 16:16:14 oh, emacs. that's a whole nother kettle o fish 16:16:39 I have this huge list of unicode database property names. I made a record type, and want to automatically define accessors for each property 16:17:30 I mean, I could just (define unidata-foobar (record-accessor 'unidata 'foobar)) a hundred times 16:17:35 yeah, emacs is an idea 16:17:56 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.74.51] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:18:07 but I was trying to loop it in runtime just to see how it could be done 16:18:34 there's a plt "planet" package that's an interface to the flickr api-- it does something similar with macros 16:18:42 very slick 16:18:58 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-65-201.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 16:19:05 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 16:19:07 same problem, really. 16:20:04 dmoerner [n=dmr@205.167.47.253] has joined #scheme 16:20:06 well, got it working with eval 16:20:29 ok, now try the other way ;-) 16:20:29 I'll leave the macro version to tomorrow 8) 16:20:50 for some reason, it's considered bad style to use "eval" 16:21:07 so I heard 16:21:22 I'm trying to make an API for the unicode character database btw. I kind of can't believe this isn't already specified in r6rs or an srfi or something 16:21:35 -!- proq` is now known as proq 16:21:59 leo: sounds useful 16:22:07 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@205.167.47.253] has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:32 -!- offby2 [n=fircuser@m5b0e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:26:11 I always seen examples where `k' was used as the pattern variable to bind the macro name from the invocation but this example seem to depend on with-syntax doing that implicitly or something... 16:27:51 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 16:30:40 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:31:38 or (syntax k) just creates the syntax object referencing k, but then the reference is overwritten by its use as argument to datum->syntax-object 16:32:00 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 16:33:49 rudybot: eval (really-perform invoke-syntax-case-expert) 16:33:50 hkBst: error: reference to undefined identifier: really-perform 16:35:10 what are you trying to do with syntax-case? 16:35:13 hkBst: that's some crappy code. 16:35:35 eli: hi! 16:35:44 hkBst: It looks like some obscure way to be able to use `(stuff...) 16:35:45 ASau` [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 16:35:49 HG` [n=wells@xdslec201.osnanet.de] has joined #scheme 16:35:49 Fare: good morning. 16:36:42 eli: to have some PLT code interact with some CL code, what would you recommend? exchange SEXPs over the wire? Compile Scheme to CL or CL to Scheme? 16:36:48 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:37:03 XML? (barf yuck puke) 16:37:37 -!- synthase [n=synthase@adsl-220-175-28.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:37:45 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:38:26 Fare: I'm trying to understand why "(syntax k)" in http://paste.lisp.org/display/80497 does not create an error for undefined k. 16:39:21 does it refer to the "k" at the toplevel of your scheme? 16:39:28 as in, you later (define k ...) 16:39:43 or you later (if (eq x 'k) ...) 16:40:14 no, I just (with-math-defines (begin (pp pi) (pp e)) 16:40:25 and it prints the two numbers 16:40:54 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:57 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@084202203253.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:41:42 I can change the `k' to other names and it keeps on working 16:41:44 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:42:08 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-27-73.netcologne.de] has left #scheme 16:43:14 hkBst: Looking at some more code from this guy, there are a ton of stupidities. 16:43:26 hkBst: IOW, trying to learn macros from that is not a good idea. 16:43:34 the code looks convoluted 16:44:00 Fare: I'd exchange sexprs, but you should be careful about things that don't print the same. 16:44:15 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:45:08 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:45:09 oddities like packages make exchanging SEXP "interesting" to say the least 16:45:29 I'll cross that bridge when I get there, anyway 16:45:54 what are the current options for multiprogramming with PLT? 16:45:56 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:00 Yeah, you'll need to take care of that, and #f/#t, and a bunch of other stuff. 16:46:16 What do you mean by multiprogramming? 16:48:19 concurrent programming, multithreading, multitasking, distributed programming, etc. 16:48:19 eli: the macro code may be bad, but I can still think about why it works or why it is convoluted and how to break it if it breaks too much hygiene. Or how the ``magic'' (syntax k) works... 16:49:05 green threads, native threads, call/cc-based scheduling, mutual exclusion, etc. 16:49:53 plt only has green threads, which are done via call/cc based scheduling. 16:50:40 You can use native threads in a C extension, as long as you only do scheme in 1 of them. 16:51:27 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 16:52:28 -!- Guest65417 [n=m@dslb-088-066-232-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:52:33 how is mutual exclusion managed with the green threads? 16:52:36 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:52:37 and/or the scheduling 16:54:19 kh [n=karim@neyret.fr] has joined #scheme 16:54:21 -!- jao` [n=jao@194.Red-81-32-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["leaving"] 16:54:24 hi 16:54:46 I'm looking for an embeddable scheme implementation 16:54:53 do you have any suggestions ? 16:55:01 kh: there are plenty of them. Give more details. 16:55:20 it would be embedded into a small text editor 16:55:26 (written in C) 16:55:41 why yet another text editor? 16:55:44 Fare: There are threads -- they are "green" in the sense of not being the machine threads. 16:55:49 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:56:07 where are the switch points? 16:56:10 synx: They are *not* implemented with `call/cc'. (I have no idea where you'd get that impression from.) 16:56:15 Fare: because I'd like to brush up my c 16:56:20 "switch points"? 16:56:31 eli: do you have a resource that explains this part of syntax-case? 16:56:38 do you have mutual exclusion mechanisms? 16:56:49 when can you yield/interrupt? 16:56:53 kh: what you're looking for is unlikely 16:56:53 aLeSD [n=alex@193.153.120.180] has joined #scheme 16:57:07 proq: what do you mean ? 16:57:07 Fare: There are several different things -- semaphores, and cml-style stuff. 16:57:16 kh: unlikely scheme :) 16:57:17 Perhaps because call/cc is commonly described as the most general possible control structure that can implement such things as threads (even though it's almost never used for this). 16:57:24 eli: I'm ignorant, so sue me. -_- 16:57:35 is it an "interrupt most anywhere except for atomic sequences", or an "interrupt only at safe points" thingie? 16:57:43 hkBst: he's trying to make a macro that breaks hygiene, and he manages to do that in a *very* bad way. 16:57:46 it was created to be embedded into games and has a zlib license 16:57:50 What I meant was something like call/cc but far more low level and complex for my puny brain to comprehend. 16:58:11 Fare: threads are preemptive -- this is not some lame cooperative threading thing. 16:58:11 hi 16:58:19 that joke never gets old 16:58:28 proq: the problem is that it's written in C++ 16:58:45 hkBst: the way that he does that is by taking the input syntax, and turning it into a plain s-expression (using `syntax-object->datum'), 16:58:47 kh: why is that a problem? c++ and c can link 16:58:52 I'd life to create a procedure that takes 2 params : (define (myproc x y) gives me an error ... 16:58:54 why ? 16:58:55 what do you think of tinyscheme ? 16:59:05 there's also guile 16:59:09 eli: well, RScheme for instance had "preemptive" threads at the user-level, but the implementation was actually creating safe points at any function entry or backward jump. 16:59:10 hkBst: Then, he's taking the resulting sexpr and adds the desired bindings on top of it, 16:59:35 Fare: Well, the plt threads are not limited to function calls or whatever. 16:59:47 kh, proq: those are two of the worst scheme implementations 17:00:21 foof: do you know of a better embeddable scheme implementation? 17:00:36 eli: can the user define rollback/rollforward strategies for PCLSRing? 17:00:38 hkBst: and eventually he needs to convert the result back into a syntax, so he wants to use `datum->syntax-object' but that requires some syntax to provide the lexical context. 17:01:02 dysinger_ [n=tim@76.164.46.79] has joined #scheme 17:01:06 hkBst: For this, he's using #'k -- a new name that is not used elsewhere, which means that it gets the lexical scope of the macro definition. 17:01:29 hkBst: But along the way all other bindings that happen to be used in the user code are completely destroyed, 17:01:33 -!- HG` [n=wells@xdslec201.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:01:41 hkBst: For example, try this: 17:01:43 hkBst: (let ([x 1]) (with-math-defines (+ x pi))) 17:01:45 proq: chibi-scheme is better than tinyscheme if what you want is just a really, really small implementation 17:02:37 Fare: I don't know what `PCLSRing' is or `rollback/forward strategy' 17:02:38 Once you start looking at guile, you'll see it's not any smaller or more easily embeddable than the competition of major scheme implementations. 17:03:27 I would recommend gauche, chicken or gambit over guile. 17:03:54 eli: PCLSRing == making sure that you can always stabilize an interrupted thread in a state that preserves the application invariants. 17:04:11 rollback and roll forward are the two main strategies for that. 17:04:24 eli: thanks a lot :) 17:04:26 i.e. abort the current transaction and "roll back" to previous stable state 17:04:46 or force the current transaction to finish and "roll forward" to next stable state 17:05:11 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 17:05:14 then give back the hand to the monitor that now can inspect the state of the application while its invariants are enforced. 17:07:03 foof: ah, well there's my problem. I've been trying to download chibi-scheme for weeks and I can't ever get it off the site 17:07:17 Fare: I don't know much about these things. 17:07:42 proq: I'm trying to fix that... 17:07:53 eli: who does? 17:08:51 proq: But in the meantime try http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/chibi-scheme-0.1.tgz 17:11:06 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 17:12:13 -!- jewel_ [n=jewel@dsl-247-202-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:15:49 that works, thanks 17:16:17 There are some bugs in that version, but I'll be working on chibi a lot in June. 17:16:30 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:17:56 -!- dysinger [n=tim@76.164.46.79] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:18:37 Fare: I don't know, ask on the list. 17:19:58 (and I still recommend using a real implementation :) 17:21:17 wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined 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macro correctly, but it complains it doesn't know implicit-identifier. WHat do you think? 21:42:45 hkBst: the snake? it's opaque to me, too; but it's achieved memedom: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8lgp0/guido_van_rossum_somebody_mailed_me_a_copy/c09o0t1 21:42:47 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/p2k36g 21:43:40 -!- npe [n=npe@91.179.94.218] has quit [] 21:44:10 -!- jewel_ [n=jewel@dsl-247-202-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:46:27 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 21:46:40 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:46:54 klutometis: well, the snake is python I guess... not sure what else to make of it. I'm thinking it is either an insult of python or illusions of grandeur from pythonistas. 21:49:41 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:49:54 the snake is a world4ch /prog/ meme (called the /prog/snake) 21:49:57 http://i44.tinypic.com/28tvxhl.jpg 21:50:43 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@unaffiliated/ada2358] has quit ["leaving"] 21:54:44 p1dzkl: that's the pedigree of the meme, sure; but it's still opaque 21:54:52 unless it's a reference to facepalm picard 21:55:04 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:55:08 which is itself opaque; so, never mind 21:55:16 indeed :) 21:58:02 MasochisticLibra [n=Masochis@c-24-2-191-235.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:59:11 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-37-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:59:21 or is implicit-identifier subsumed in datum->syntax(-object)? 22:00:06 _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:00:50 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B055B0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:00:51 copumpkin [n=pumpkin@pat9.border1-cfw.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 22:01:09 -!- _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:01:29 _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:05:14 synthase [n=synthase@adsl-220-175-28.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 22:10:04 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 22:17:15 eli annotated #80497 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80497#2 22:17:28 dysinger_ [n=tim@166.129.93.222] has joined #scheme 22:19:35 eli: it seems a lot of details changed since http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dyb/pubs/tr356.pdf was written... namewise and otherwise 22:21:19 hkBst: Like what? 22:22:13 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 22:23:08 eli: like datum->syntax-object and its reverse getting renamed in R6RS (losing the "-object"), syntax->list, now this thing with implicit-identifier not existing any more... 22:25:27 *hkBst* wonders if there are more 22:25:56 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:26:26 jedc [n=jed1@c-98-232-225-102.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:26:34 ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:28:56 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 22:29:07 hkBst: `-object' was making it very verbose for a very commonly used name; `syntax->list' is a convenience in a system like plt where all syntaxes are wrapped; `implicit-identifier' seems to be used much like `datum->syntax', restructed to symbols. 22:35:13 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:42:28 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@unaffiliated/ada2358] has quit ["leaving"] 22:42:34 ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 22:42:41 X-Scale2 [i=email@89.180.145.177] has joined #scheme 22:45:21 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:46:56 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:47:48 -!- dysinger [n=tim@32.177.5.90] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:48:07 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 22:52:13 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C434FB.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:01:20 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.135.232] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:45 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 23:02:31 ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:04:03 -!- raikov [n=igr@216.64.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:04:52 -!- _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 23:08:41 -!- ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 23:08:48 ada2358 [n=ada2358@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:13:40 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:14:29 mike_ [n=m@dslb-088-064-137-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:56 -!- mike_ is now known as Guest33106 23:16:03 -!- Guest33106 [n=m@dslb-088-064-137-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:24:00 _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 23:24:14 -!- Guest63439 [n=m@dslb-088-066-232-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:28:50 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 23:29:46 -!- _JFT_ [n=_JFT_@modemcable183.11-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 23:33:26 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:31 raikov` [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 23:37:54 -!- raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:39:13 nicktastic [n=nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has joined #scheme 23:39:34 Anyone know if tiny-clos works with gambit? 23:44:52 rudybot: eval #e#b1@1 23:44:53 klutometis: your sandbox is ready 23:44:53 klutometis: ; Value: 0.5403023058681398+0.8414709848078965i 23:45:21 rudybot: eval (exact? #e#b1@1) 23:45:21 klutometis: ; Value: #f 23:45:28 rudybot: eval (exact? #b#e1@1) 23:45:28 klutometis: ; Value: #f 23:45:37 rudybot: eval (exact? #e1@1) 23:45:38 klutometis: ; Value: #f 23:47:10 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 23:47:41 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:47:51 that's weird; i thought there was an implicit inexact->exact with #e 23:48:15 eli: maybe plt left it out of the polar->rectangular converter in the reader? 23:49:33 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 23:51:04 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:57 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:58:28 klutometis: that might be a bug. (Not that I see any use of polar literals...)