00:02:13 mib_6dihl8p4, what is the exact specification of what you are to do? 00:02:56 ((lambda () (system "sudo apt-get install mysql")) 00:03:05 uses a first-class function 00:03:11 implements a database 00:03:17 haha :P 00:03:20 Fare, there aren't any ... we were told to choose a project which should use ideas and features of Scheme we learned ... mainly: first class functions <-- he's very big on this ... Call/cc .. etc ... and implement it 00:03:36 how long do you have? 00:03:47 are you in teams? 00:03:58 write something better than a database then! 00:03:58 is that a 1-hour project? 10-hour? 100-hour? 1000-hour? 00:04:10 my first choice would be a compiler :P 00:04:12 okay, it might be a bit late to change, but any ideas? 00:04:20 4-5 days ... 2 team members 00:04:39 4-5 days -- that's not a lot 00:04:41 yeah 00:04:42 There are enough compilers. We need better databases. 00:04:44 we already went over two interpreters (from The Little Schemer and The Seasoned Schemer) 00:04:52 foof: but not in scheme using higher-order functions... 00:04:54 look at AP5, the common-lisp relational thingie 00:05:02 writing a navigational db might be sort of cool 00:05:12 maybe you can write the equivalent for PLT 00:05:57 that would be more interesting than yet another unusable database, or yet another thing-that-connects-to-some-db-library/server 00:06:01 -!- rotty` [n=user@83-215-154-5.hage.dyn.salzburg-online.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:06:21 ap5.com 00:07:07 that would be cool 00:07:13 Professor recommend something simple .. he wants us to know it inside out, be able to write proofs and defend why and how we chose to write it .. he recommended something from SICP ... 00:07:22 if it's not too indiscreet, who's the professor? 00:07:53 you could write a simple subset of AP5 for PLT. 00:08:20 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@cpe-70-113-217-213.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:08:38 I would first have to understand AP5 first and then propose my idea and then start coding ... that will take too long 00:09:09 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Success] 00:09:18 but me more worthwhile than coding in the air 00:09:25 s/me/be/ 00:10:32 you can take some AP5 documentation, use it as a spec for what to write 00:10:44 maybe even peek at the CL source code and translate some to PLT 00:11:29 er, that may not be tenable 00:11:36 ~/s/ap5/ap5-source$ wc -l * | tail -1 00:11:36 40108 total 00:11:46 mind "subset" 00:12:03 this professor sounds very engaged 00:12:06 "small subset" 00:12:07 I don't think my professor would really like that ... he put down a whole bunch of ideas from other students because he thought they were too "ambitious" and we won't be able to finish on time ... and quite honestly, I don't see myself finishing what your asking for also ... 00:12:23 small subset 00:13:20 i.e. take AP5 w/o any annotation 00:13:30 just transactions 00:13:43 I had proposed another idea before this database one to him, to do a Simple system shell (did one for my OS class: http://www.unf.edu/~asanchez/os-f07/ [btw, no I do not goto UNF, they just happened to be using the same book/project for their course]) and converting that to Scheme 00:15:04 Elly: What do you mean? Most Scheme compilers are written in Scheme using higher-order functions. 00:15:29 foof: that was in reference to your "we need better databases" 00:16:14 Why shouldn't they be written in Scheme? Databases are memory-bound, not CPU bound. Scheme should be able to provide good abstractions for efficiently managing memory. 00:16:32 does it? 00:17:14 Well, you need to create those abstractions. 00:17:42 oh 00:23:06 mib_6dihl8p4, in any case, my advice would be to focus on implementing transactionally a relational model 00:25:37 any tips or advice on the overall design ? 00:27:40 -!- dysinger [n=tim@166.129.81.115] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:28:15 write things functionally using type derivatives? 00:28:23 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-106-44.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 00:28:26 (if you've seen that in algorithm class) 00:29:26 can't say that I have 00:34:08 ok well then re-use some kind of balanced sorted tree for your data-structure 00:36:05 I'll look into it :) 00:36:13 Thanks everyone for all your help ... appreciate it 00:36:52 Bye 00:36:56 -!- mib_6dihl8p4 [i=864a6478@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cb4d7be766ce145a] has left #scheme 00:39:51 -!- projections [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has left #scheme 00:53:26 -!- proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:54:08 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-69-150-57-177.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 00:56:12 -!- pumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has quit [] 00:58:08 -!- ikaros_ [n=ikaros@f051018098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 01:03:50 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-106-44.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:33:55 schristie [n=user@cpe-066-057-088-143.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:44:55 eli - et al: i've got a mzsceme based web server which I would like to integrate with Apache using fcgi - my host will not permit modproxy - a C implementation of FCGI that I have inherits a UNIX domain socket from the Apache fork/exec. How can I accept/read from that socket in mzscheme? 01:47:00 brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:47:36 What does `inherit' mean? 01:47:52 Riastradh, a fd is already open 01:48:15 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@89.102.208.138] has quit [] 01:49:24 (I meant: `What do you mean by ``inherit''?' It could equally well be that Apache will pass a file descriptor over a socket, for example.) 01:50:23 right - apparently the code linked into apache which creates the FCGI teask closes stind, stout, sterr and then opens a unix socket back to apache vbefore exec-ing the fcgi program. 01:50:46 when it is a c program, the code does accept on fd 0 01:51:18 but socket-accept expects a socket and is not happy with 0 01:54:23 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:10:32 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:12:41 -!- xwl [n=user@114.245.138.109] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:15:10 reprore [n=reprore@EM114-48-173-207.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:15:11 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:21:15 xwl [n=user@114.245.138.109] has joined #scheme 02:37:02 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:52:21 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176193017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:00:25 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:02:21 pixpop [n=chatzill@adsl-76-232-55-30.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:03:04 -!- pixpop [n=chatzill@adsl-76-232-55-30.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 03:05:26 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 03:07:30 -!- schristie [n=user@cpe-066-057-088-143.nc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 03:08:06 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176200117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:09:16 -!- reprore [n=reprore@EM114-48-173-207.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:11:24 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has left #scheme 03:12:25 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 03:14:49 You can pass a file descriptor over a socket? 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I'm a beginner, so this might be very simple, but I just can't seem to get this to work: http://pastebin.com/d3f7c59a8 .. Partly because Petite Scheme isn't extremely helpful in regards to error messages :-P.. so again.. might be very simple! It's a very small program, here's the code I've written: http://pastebin.com/d630204cf 15:59:45 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 16:00:03 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:01:04 -!- repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:02:07 illio: In calls to visit you supply it only with one argument, while it takes two. 16:02:39 Mr-Cat, Aaah yeah.. I see now.. that was stupid of me :-P.. thanks 16:03:38 -!- HG` [n=wells@85.8.71.44] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:53 benny99 [n=benny@p5486E4E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:05:27 repror___ [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 16:05:43 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:06:26 rep______ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:08:55 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:09:54 so I'm working on something right here 16:10:02 Carmine said one boy. Here are two. 16:10:33 -!- illio [n=illio@2808ds1-arve.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:10:43 i got an image and well, depending on a some function which returns boolean, another function which i am giving that function should return (make-color 0 0 0) for true, and (make-color 255 255 255) for false 16:10:47 i'm actually kinda stuck 16:10:57 so i'm gonna paste my code right now 16:11:42 http://pastebin.com/m2bb8a282 16:13:01 the last line is meant to be the test, and check pixel should return either (make-color 0 0 0) for true, or (make-color 255 255 255) for false 16:13:41 so i supposed that (lambda (x) true) would in any case eval to true, and said (cond [(boolean=? true f) (make-color 0 0 0)] ... 16:13:49 but this ain't working 16:14:21 boolean=?: expects type as 2nd argument, given: (lambda (a1) ...); other arguments were: true 16:14:51 repr_____ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:14:54 (lambda (x) true) is a function, not a boolean. You should call it to get a boolean 16:15:21 rudybot: eval ((lambda (x) true) 'whatever 16:15:22 Mr-Cat: your sandbox is ready 16:15:23 Mr-Cat: error: eval:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `(' 16:15:28 rudybot: eval ((lambda (x) true) 'whatever) 16:15:29 Mr-Cat: ; Value: #t 16:15:35 so (boolean=? (f somevalue) true) evals to true? 16:15:49 yes 16:15:50 only if (f somevalue) returns true 16:15:50 Yeah, whatever 16:15:59 CSdread__ [n=danielf@72.19.155.212] has joined #scheme 16:16:23 Mr-Cat: quit scratching the couch!! 16:16:34 -!- rep______ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:16:48 rudybot: Meoooow 16:16:49 Mr-Cat: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 16:17:08 *rudybot* squirts Mr-Cat with a water bottle 16:17:50 thanks man 16:17:55 thats getting me somewhere 16:18:02 although I'm not finished as it seems 16:18:07 *Mr-Cat* snorts at rudybot 16:18:08 anyway, gotta walk 16:18:14 bye 16:18:18 bye 16:19:27 -!- reprore__ [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:25:08 -!- repror___ [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:25:10 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 16:25:34 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:30:48 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:33:02 Samy1 [i=Administ@92.85.209.7] has joined #scheme 16:33:42 -!- CSdread__ [n=danielf@72.19.155.212] has quit [] 16:34:19 How to install scheme on cygwin? 16:36:35 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 16:37:09 Samy1: You should search the cygwin repo for scheme implementations. Chicken is there for sure. 16:38:30 where can i find the paper /A Critique of Albelson and Sussman/? acm requires a free registration wich i don't want to do 16:38:31 Samy1: too painful 16:38:46 reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 16:39:56 gtk 16:40:16 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:40:46 -!- Elly [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has quit ["moving"] 16:41:28 Elly [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has joined #scheme 16:41:36 -!- repr_____ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:44:58 found. stupid acm. http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/dat/miranda/wadler87.pdf 16:45:02 bogiebro [n=sam@c-24-131-182-64.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:46:57 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:50:32 stk 16:53:55 -!- morphir [n=morphir@217.168.81.9] has left #scheme 16:54:13 yep 16:54:24 "Let's make it harder for people to download stuff that's already freely available" 16:54:36 I'm disappointed that Google Scholar didn't yield that URL 16:56:20 .oO("KRC"? 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18:04:41 if you want a particular paper I can get it for you 18:14:38 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:14:49 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 18:20:27 hexa [n=mweinelt@p4FDC434B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:46 -!- repro____ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 18:23:03 yay :) 18:27:09 -!- repror___ [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:34:18 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:34:35 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 18:36:50 -!- hexa- [n=mweinelt@p4FDC4505.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:36:56 -!- rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-234-19.51-151.net24.it] has quit ["leaving"] 18:48:03 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-234-188.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 18:55:09 slhtn [n=slhdn@81.214.172.177] has joined #scheme 18:55:15 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:55:24 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 19:00:40 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:00:51 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 19:02:26 ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@59.172.142.92] has joined #scheme 19:02:50 -!- rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:03:00 rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 19:07:29 -!- slhtn [n=slhdn@81.214.172.177] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:12:14 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 19:17:14 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 19:19:09 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@59.172.141.11] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:20:23 in PLT, is there a shorthand for (unless (predicate? thing) (raise-type-error 'where "uh oh" thing))? 19:20:30 sort of like a contract, except it'd work within a module 19:21:03 elf: I didn't say that acm blocking papers was _new_; I said it was _annoying_ 19:21:31 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@93-80-236-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 19:21:36 offby1: agreed. 19:29:28 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:29:52 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 19:31:18 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 19:33:20 -!- Guest22135 [n=m@dslb-088-066-254-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:38:33 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 19:41:55 rudybot: eval (define (foo x) (unless (integer? x) (raise-type-error 'foo "integer" x)) (+ x 1)) 19:41:56 eli: your sandbox is ready 19:42:01 rudybot: eval (foo "three") 19:42:01 eli: error: foo: expected argument of type ; given "three" 19:42:49 But if you want a real contract, then there's `define/contract', and there's also the new stuff where you can define a "region" of code inside a module, where crossing the region involves checking the contract. 19:45:15 desu [i=desu@unaffiliated/desu] has joined #scheme 19:48:04 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-56-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:48:06 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@r2bk213.net.upc.cz] has joined #scheme 19:48:50 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-234-188.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:52:37 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:52:57 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 19:54:07 -!- Samy1 [i=Administ@92.85.209.7] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:57:26 yeah yeah 19:57:31 I guess it's that new stuff I want 19:57:44 not in 4.1.5.3? 19:58:17 *offby1* scours mailing list 20:02:14 aha -- define/contract 20:12:16 offby1: `define/contract' is the old thing. I don't remember when the new stuff was added -- it was a message that Stevie sent on the list. 20:12:51 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0392.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:15:19 npe [n=npe@91.179.94.32] has joined #scheme 20:18:07 mmc [n=mima@cs138007.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 20:20:07 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:20:31 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 20:21:06 -!- pants2 [n=hkarau@75-119-235-84.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:21:12 pants1 [n=hkarau@69-196-147-94.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 20:22:15 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 20:30:02 heh, well, define/contract is exactly what I wanted 20:30:05 jedc [n=lore17@c-98-232-225-102.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:35:24 ikaros_ [n=ikaros@g228071205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 20:37:12 -!- pants1 [n=hkarau@69-196-147-94.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39:11 pants1 [n=hkarau@206-248-164-224.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 20:42:08 -!- ikaros [n=ikaros@f051018098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:45:50 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46:23 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 20:49:12 -!- rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:56:27 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 21:02:26 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 21:05:43 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-1-79.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit ["..."] 21:07:41 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs138007.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:13:36 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:14:16 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 21:16:37 ineiros_ [n=ineiros@rogue.hut.fi] has joined #scheme 21:18:19 -!- josephholsten [n=josephho@ip68-0-70-106.tu.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:19:03 -!- ineiros [n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 21:19:24 -!- ineiros_ is now known as ineiros 21:22:56 -!- sad0ur [n=sad0ur@r2bk213.net.upc.cz] has quit ["leaving"] 21:23:52 korvin [n=korvin@host-204-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #scheme 21:24:02 (re all) 21:27:50 why (eval '(define foo (lambda () 1))) evaluates normally, but (eval '(define-syntax (syntax-rules () ((_) 1)))) and other '(form () ...) makes exception ``Error: illeglal syntax: ()'' ? ; (in guile) 21:31:11 I think you want an identifier, like this 21:31:16 rudybot: eval '(define-syntax foo (syntax-rules () ((_) 1))) 21:31:16 *offby1: ; Value: (define-syntax foo (syntax-rules () ((_) 1))) 21:34:45 offby1 . oh, sorry, of course there is identifier: '(define-sintax bar (syntax-rules () ...)) 21:42:27 -!- jedc [n=lore17@c-98-232-225-102.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:42:47 offby1 . actually i'm trying to make 'lambda to be able to construct automatically curried functions (i have a special form (curry ...), but i want to interpreter|compiler to be able evaluate (lambda ...) as (curry ...). I can make shell-script like a: #!/bin/sh \n sed -e 's/lambda/curry/g' source.scm ... for that, but I think it is not "lisp-way" =/ 21:44:03 may there is some "right-way"? 21:44:09 no idea 21:44:19 I have this vague sense that guile is flaky, but that probably doesn't help much 21:45:13 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:45:51 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 21:46:08 offby1 . sorry for my bad English, but what does it mean "flaky"? =) 21:46:56 it's bad? =) 21:47:09 *is it 21:48:27 unreliable 21:49:55 ok. I'll try some other implementations 21:50:11 thanx 21:51:40 chicken and PLT are probably the most populare implementations in this channe;l 21:53:05 ok =) and what about gambC ? 21:53:44 that's good too 21:53:54 .oO("populare"?) 21:56:10 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89-180-180-54.net.novis.pt] has left #scheme 21:57:19 =) 21:59:25 offby1 . can you tell some "critics" or "notion" about snowfort? 22:02:54 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056824.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:06:38 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:10:48 I've never heard of "snowfort" 22:14:26 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 22:17:27 Isn't snowfort the place where Scheme NOW! is hosted? 22:18:10 http://snow.iro.umontreal.ca/ 22:19:00 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:30 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 22:20:11 -!- npe [n=npe@91.179.94.32] has quit [] 22:20:32 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:23:45 npe [n=npe@91.179.94.32] has joined #scheme 22:25:34 -!- nickw [n=nick@93-97-203-158.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:28:45 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:34:33 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-195.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:35:38 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@93-80-236-184.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit ["    (xchat 2.4.5  )"] 22:42:35 -!- xian [i=xian@pdpc/supporter/active/xian] has left #scheme 22:47:47 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 22:48:36 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:49:04 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 22:51:06 -!- gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c121h014.wless.reed.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:10:16 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:10:54 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 23:17:40 -!- npe [n=npe@91.179.94.32] has quit [] 23:19:40 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 23:21:11 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@75.68.42.94] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22:54 -!- edw [n=user@poseur.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23:45 edw [n=user@poseur.com] has joined #scheme 23:33:34 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@75.68.42.94] has joined #scheme 23:39:27 elderK [n=zk@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:41:46 -!- ikaros_ [n=ikaros@g228071205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leave the magic to Houdini"] 23:44:58 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:48:41 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-37-78.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:51:39 mike [n=m@dslb-088-067-029-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 23:52:07 -!- mike is now known as Guest15468 23:54:29 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@75.68.42.94] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:55:33 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@75.68.42.94] has joined #scheme