00:00:34 -!- wy [n=wy@66.194.68.209] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:05:05 orgy__ [n=ratm_@pD9FFF025.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 00:06:10 brady [n=brady@utdpat241017.utdallas.edu] has joined #scheme 00:10:47 wy [n=wy@66.194.68.209] has joined #scheme 00:11:55 -!- wy [n=wy@66.194.68.209] has quit [Client Quit] 00:12:47 tessier_ [n=treed@unused-105-40-113.ixpres.com] has joined #scheme 00:13:46 I am making an attempt to familiarize myself with scheme-style macros. Within individual implementations, I see (variously) define-syntax, syntax-rules, syntax-case (for hygienic macros), and other non-hygienic approaches. Can someone please point me to a URL which describes the relationship and pros/cons of each? I am not really looking for something abstract like rNrs, but rather a short rationale. 00:16:45 abbe [n=abbe@abbe.is.a.member.of.pirateparty.in] has joined #scheme 00:16:53 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 00:19:27 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/chicken-users/2008-04/msg00013.html 00:19:36 brandelune_ [n=suzume@pl395.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:20:26 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl094.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:22:05 -!- orgy_ [n=ratm_@pD9FFED64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 00:22:16 raikov` [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 00:26:54 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.190.63] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27:43 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:29:38 -!- orgy__ [n=ratm_@pD9FFF025.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:29:43 incubot: there is no rationale, merely rationalizations. 00:29:45 rationale in SRFI 86 is riddled with holes and poorly thought-out ideas. 00:30:14 incubot: that's what she said! 00:30:20 hehe. blatte.org says "will be up in a few days." That's what it said back when I dropped latte because I didn't want a perl implementation. ;) 00:30:54 raikov`` [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 00:31:09 incubot: better perl than later? 00:31:12 i tend to use backtics by default, since i often end up unquoting later. 00:34:49 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@unused-105-40-113.ixpres.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:36:23 Thanks, that link was useful. 00:39:19 -!- raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:45:17 -!- raikov` [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:45:18 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:47:24 rotty: debugging info that I forgot to remove, oops 00:51:59 ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has joined #scheme 00:57:00 -!- badtruffle is now known as copumpkin 00:58:34 -!- pumpkin_ [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:02:25 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:05:39 elderK [n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:06:24 wy [n=wy@66.194.68.209] has joined #scheme 01:07:55 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:08:46 ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has joined #scheme 01:09:11 -!- raikov`` [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:10:46 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:10:51 ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has joined #scheme 01:14:06 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:15:37 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Success] 01:17:59 -!- elderK [n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [] 01:18:42 *jcowan* unvanishes with confidence 01:23:37 *offby1* laughs cruelly 01:24:20 -!- letoh [n=letoh@211-74-72-29.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit ["leaving"] 01:25:37 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:27:01 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:29:13 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:30:54 ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has joined #scheme 01:31:50 morning! 01:33:02 sez you 01:33:08 evening! 01:33:33 irrigation ditch! 01:33:42 er ... 01:33:45 MORNINGTON CRESCENT!!! 01:33:51 do I win? 01:34:31 Sure. 01:34:39 Yes, assuming this was a competition of bangs. 01:34:40 *foof* gives offby1 a cookie 01:34:48 *jcowan* watches offby1 do his widdle victowy dance 01:35:28 brandelune [n=suzume@pl395.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:35:48 ... while eating a cookie, no less. 01:38:35 -!- brandelune_ [n=suzume@pl395.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:40:24 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:42:13 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-73-218.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:44:26 *gnomon* inspects offby1's pockets for the possibility of further cookies 01:47:45 well, hello, Sailor! 01:49:14 ARGH WIBBLE 01:49:40 *gnomon* decides that the cookie jar is probably more likely to yield pleasant results, there 01:49:57 wuss 01:50:23 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 01:51:21 msingh [n=user@203.171.123.8.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has joined #scheme 01:53:30 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:53:35 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 02:05:22 pants1 [n=hkarau@206-248-128-149.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:07:21 pants3 [n=hkarau@76-10-131-1.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:09:31 pants4 [n=hkarau@69-196-147-139.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:11:37 -!- pants4 [n=hkarau@69-196-147-139.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:12:09 pants4 [n=hkarau@206-248-179-184.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:13:07 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 02:15:55 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:17:32 -!- wy [n=wy@66.194.68.209] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:18:08 jcowan: is it the case that new yorkers avoid perambulating over subway grates? 02:18:30 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has left #scheme 02:20:36 I always went out of my way to walk over them (and look down) but then I was never a New Yorker 02:20:46 klutometis, I imagine that there may be a strong correlation between New Yorkers who avoid walking on subway grates and those who wear skirts. 02:20:47 I always wanted to see a train moving down there, but you rarely do 02:21:08 -!- pants2 [n=hkarau@206-248-132-124.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:21:38 http://pics.barzilay.org/big/pic/0573 02:21:45 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:22:01 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl395.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 02:22:22 heh 02:22:23 (But I was a "new yorker" for roughly one year only.) 02:22:27 you just happened to have that on tap 02:22:29 -!- pants1 [n=hkarau@206-248-128-149.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:22:56 DAMMIT PEOPLE! If the application log shows that you clicked the "delete EVERYTHING" button, then received the "are you sure? This is probably a TERRIBLE IDEA! (think better of it) (no, really do this crazy thing)", then waited 19 seconds before clicking the second button, DO NOT send me email saying "hey werez my stuff lol". 02:23:10 If I had a baby back then, I don't think I'd feel comfortable walking over these things with a stroller. 02:23:41 Those are wide holes! I'd feel a bit nervous about cycling over them. 02:24:13 You bike in the street in NY. 02:24:21 -!- pants3 [n=hkarau@76-10-131-1.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [No route to host] 02:24:30 gnomon: is that the actual spelling of the email, or are you elaborating for effect? 02:24:32 *You* may. I don't. 02:24:41 offby1, verbatim. 02:24:54 Well, the email is verbatim, not the interface text. 02:25:40 gosh 02:25:49 and you can see when they clicked various buttons, eh. 02:26:12 I suppose your superiors would not be pleased if you responded in kind: "d00d, ur a h0zer lol" 02:26:33 You need a job where you're not exposed to this toxicity 02:26:48 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:26:54 *gnomon* 's detailed application logs 02:27:15 Oh, this isn't job-related. Work yes, but not remunerated. 02:27:26 Also, I'm sorry for dumping that in here. Highly off topic. 02:27:43 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.62.127.47] has quit [] 02:28:56 (it is no coincidence that the name of that Unicode code point is "HEAVY BLACK HEART") 02:29:13 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:29:14 Hydr4 [n=Lernaean@68-184-239-20.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:29:14 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-73-218.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 02:31:54 rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-234-19.51-151.net24.it] has joined #scheme 02:33:06 -!- abbe [n=abbe@abbe.is.a.member.of.pirateparty.in] has quit [] 02:34:22 gnomon: That's why my web server logs the entire header info for every request ;) 02:35:16 rudybot_: later tell arcfide: http://misc.barzilay.org/tester/README 02:35:16 minion: memo for arcfide:: eli told me to tell you: http://misc.barzilay.org/tester/README 02:35:17 (not that I could get away with that if I had more traffic) 02:35:17 Remembered. I'll tell arcfide: when he/she/it next speaks. 02:35:49 foof, log rotation is a glorious thing! 02:36:08 -!- rudybot_ is now known as rudybot 02:36:47 *eli* takes a broom and start wiping off the piles of underlines around rudybot and offby1 02:36:54 Well, with the minimal traffic I have now the logs grow to about 100MB every 3 months. 02:36:57 and here I tried to write a log-rotating thing for PLT 02:37:06 got bogged down testing it 02:38:01 ... and my site is total junk and never updated :) 02:39:36 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 02:40:10 yome [n=guillaum@bas4-montreal28-1177570516.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:42:23 foof, do you compress those logs at all? Or do you mean 100MiB gzip'd? 02:42:40 That's uncompressed. I compress after rotating. 02:43:08 That's probably for the best. If you squeeze them before spinning them around, they tend to get a little queasy. 02:43:13 Heya, yome! 02:44:06 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:34 foof pasted "verbose logging sample" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80059 02:45:33 gnomon, hi there :) 02:45:46 foof, that looks completely reasonable! 02:45:59 yome, up so late on a work night? 02:46:46 It is, it's nice to have the info. But with any real traffic I'd need more disk space (that disk actually fills up sometimes, which is reason #1 why synthcode sometimes goes down) and more frequent log rotation. 02:46:47 gnomon, I'm now immune to sleep, due to intensive training. 02:46:52 nice 02:46:57 gnomon: interesting; tough to say whether its a positive or negative correlation, though; there's the monroe-effect, etc. 02:47:05 *gnomon* nods sagely 02:52:27 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176215056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:55:19 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 02:59:33 klutometis: I've never noticed avoiding subway grates, but that may be because we just avoid them automatically. 02:59:48 I haven't taken Dorian out in his stroller, and in Irene's case it's been 20 years. 03:05:53 20 years since she walked on a subway grate? 03:06:56 Oh, I interpreted "perambulating" as "pushing a perambulator" rather than simply "walking". 03:07:42 No, most people don't avoid walking on subway grates. The wind from the nadir is rarely violent enough to disturb clothing not specially made for the purpose. 03:08:50 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08:58 -!- shelducks [n=prot@d142-59-60-123.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:09:39 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176219097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:10:40 incubot: ugh, I'll tell you about my most recent case of wind from the nadir 03:10:43 so if you tell them something like "a monad is a model of computation", that won't mean anything :) 03:12:25 *jcowan* fears the monad. 03:13:53 Don't fear monads. They can smell it, and they'll fuck you up. 03:15:20 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-197-248.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:49 That's a line for incubot! :-P 03:16:59 incubot: monads 03:17:00 *jcowan* calls upon his inner Leibniz. 03:17:02 Isn't there some neat way to keep state with closures? or is that diving in to the world of monads? 03:17:29 Closures can wrap state, but the state is primitive Scheme state (i.e. set!) 03:17:41 *nods* 03:17:47 Which is really equivalent to binding all assignable vaiables to a box, and using set-box!. 03:17:55 As some Scheme compilers in fact do. 03:21:53 http://www.petealbrecht.com/blog/Leibniz%20Newton.jpg 03:32:32 _REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 03:57:21 Planet Scheme needs to fix it's feeds 03:57:42 Tired of seeing this "Grant Rettke" guys entries about stuff unrelated to scheme 03:57:50 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 03:59:26 pants1 [n=hkarau@75-119-233-47.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined 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[n=wy@c-24-16-38-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:47:09 i can't seem to get cons-stream to work either, same kind of error 05:47:52 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 05:48:10 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:48:35 It's not built in. 05:49:51 do i need to define such things, or is there a library that i can include to use them? 05:50:43 they even use cons-stream here http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-24.html#%_sec_3.5.1 but it wont work for me in drscheme :[ 05:50:46 Did you try the docs? 05:52:03 i couldn't really find anything too useful 05:53:36 Did you try to look for `cons-null?', for example? 05:54:13 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:54:53 hmm 05:55:31 my prof has some notes, but his line with stream cons is commented out 05:55:33 ;(define (stream-cons a b) (cons a (delay b))) Special Form 05:55:40 which lead me to believe it was built in or something 05:56:12 Did you try the docs? 05:56:25 Did you try the *PLT* docs? 05:56:32 looking as we speak 05:56:35 but not really finding anything 05:56:56 The on-line version is at: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/search/ 05:57:12 hmm 05:57:15 srfi/40 05:57:15 Just enter `stream-null?' or `stream-cons'. 05:58:12 hehe i found it 05:58:14 ty ^_^ 05:59:27 i guess 'the-empty-stream' would be equivalent to 'stream-null'? 06:02:17 -!- bsmntbombdood is now known as bsmntbombgirl 06:02:24 That would be my guess too. 06:02:51 If your goal is to work with sicp in drscheme, you should look at http://planet.plt-scheme.org/display.ss?package=sicp.plt&owner=neil 06:03:16 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 06:03:27 interesting 06:03:28 [The guy who wrote it is sometimes here.] 06:03:30 thanks :) 06:03:39 his nick is neilv. 06:03:50 i think i may have actually talked to him before 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unexplainable bugs! 17:43:50 every bug has an explanation 17:43:52 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 17:43:57 fundamentally unexplainable? or just unexplained? 17:44:03 not if it's caused only once 17:44:12 this one was weird, I had to revert 2 days of code, no redoing it step by step 17:44:31 no this one was like compunding itself! 17:44:33 well hardware bugs are confusing 17:44:56 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 17:45:12 my bootfile file suddenly sjrunk by 5% :| 17:45:16 shrunk 17:45:40 too many interuptions I think 17:46:15 im pretty sure this is not hardware, unless the CPU didn't like the mp3 that was playing 17:46:41 but even then, it's personal! 17:47:28 in the middle of my expansion process I would get + is not defined, like WTF? :) 17:53:05 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 17:53:17 bootstrapping is a curse 17:54:03 leppie: or a spell 17:54:16 -!- jlongster 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By calling lambda in the window-rule function. But when I do so it doesn't work at all. 18:30:24 that's because you should use goto, incubot. 18:31:38 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:33:39 incubot: 10 sin; 20 goto hell 18:33:42 maybe the goto needs more parameters to be referentially transparent 18:34:08 yyyy... es. 18:38:22 wow, scary 18:39:41 bweaver [n=user@150.182.241.28] has joined #scheme 18:39:48 Yeah, incubut is getting a bit creepily accurate. 18:39:57 incubot, you are getting a bit creepily accurate. 18:40:00 creepily cheerful, actually, like those people who show up at your door with religious literature 18:40:04 Soon it and minion will start talking intelligibly with each other, and then It's All Over(tm). 18:40:26 incubot, can you talk intelligibly -- or, worse, intelligently -- with minion? 18:40:29 that's demonstrably untrue. Your cat types. 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It's eye-candy, that's all. 21:22:17 incubot: web 2.0 for the win! 21:22:47 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 21:22:59 incubot: dumbstricken? 21:23:22 Probably stack overflowed. :-P 21:23:40 klutometis: is incubot indexing further or is it fixed database? 21:25:39 -!- bweaver [n=user@150.182.241.28] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:26:36 incubot: plugh 21:26:39 Oh. Plugh. 21:26:47 incubot: xyzzy 21:26:50 (force (delay 'xyzzy)) 21:27:07 -!- ejs [n=eugen@218-49-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:27:17 incubot: houston, we have a delay! 21:27:20 Bah, laptop computer flew in New Orleans and Houston too. 21:27:42 -!- Deformative [n=joe@c-71-238-45-45.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:29:03 -!- projections_ [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has left #scheme 21:29:40 ejs [n=eugen@218-49-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:53 -!- ejs [n=eugen@218-49-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:38:56 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-200-37.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:39:06 -!- saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:39:32 saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:41:12 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit ["the old ways are lost"] 21:41:55 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #scheme 21:43:58 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 21:48:51 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 21:49:55 synthase [n=synthase@c-68-63-19-212.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:55:31 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 22:01:58 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 22:03:16 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-255-155.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:03:33 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:05:18 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:08:00 -!- hadronzoo__ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:12:21 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:15:58 -!- hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 22:16:39 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-98-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:17:13 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@95-24-76-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:18:04 -!- sepult_ [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-25-96.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:19:09 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-68-63-19-212.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:19:19 synthase [n=synthase@c-68-63-19-212.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:20:23 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:23:38 arcfide [n=arcfide@cpe-70-113-217-213.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:28:57 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [] 22:29:48 cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-255-155.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:32:16 projections [n=projecti@88.235.101.2] has joined #scheme 22:32:35 Hello all, how's it going? 22:32:35 arcfide, memo from rudybot_: eli told me to tell you: http://misc.barzilay.org/tester/README 22:34:58 eli: Cool. 22:36:03 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:38:27 arcfide: Specifically, see the "Why?" section. 22:39:33 -!- saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:40:07 -!- flaschenwein [n=olaf_rog@p50809D31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #scheme 22:41:46 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-68-63-19-212.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:41:59 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:43:50 can i ask questions in here when i have one? 22:44:31 ABSOLUTELY NOT. In fact, you probably shouldn't have asked that question either. 22:44:41 and why is that 22:45:02 Now we have to hunt down your location, tar you, feather you, and dip you in caramel. 22:45:17 im in istanbul 22:45:22 come get me haha 22:45:34 *arcfide* ponders. 22:45:41 I do think we have some operatives in the area. 22:45:49 serious,can i ask questions? 22:45:56 ... 22:46:06 im feeling like everyone on irc is on a mission against me,im paranoid definitely 22:46:19 What good would a #scheme channel be if you couldn't ask questions about Scheme? 22:46:21 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 22:46:35 thanks guys! 22:46:46 projections: Maybe it is better for you to just ask the questions when you have them, rather than trying to figure out whether we'll chop your head off or not? 22:46:50 now i can sleep dreaming:D 22:47:31 ok arcfide i really have problems,i just make things up just like these people dont like me or whatever the output is 22:47:57 We're a pretty helpful group, assuming that you don't have some entitlement attitude. ;-) 22:48:09 letme look that word up in google 22:49:54 no i definitely dont have an attitude 22:49:59 o0 22:51:17 *gnomon* eyes projections warily 22:51:22 thanks btw... 22:51:25 *gnomon* heats up the caramel vats, just in case 22:51:30 hahahaahha 22:52:17 come yall be my guest well go down to south:D then you can dip me into caramel:D 22:52:43 i assume 140 are bots 22:53:17 bots? 22:53:18 Bots? In this channel? 22:53:24 We are no BOTS! 22:53:42 i ddint tell u are,who was that 22:53:45 *arcfide* sniffs. 22:54:01 Bots, we're not the same, not after...after...sarahbot! 22:54:03 It's more likely than you think 22:54:31 minion, incubot, specbot, rudybot: Haze projections. 22:54:31 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 22:54:33 i need to learn things,right now even a bot wouldnt answer my questions :) 22:54:41 Sarahbot's memory lives on in the wiki: http://community.schemewiki.org/?%23scheme-on-freenode 22:55:25 -!- langmartin [n=user@exeuntcha.tva.gov] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:55:35 incubot: peoria's near istanbul, isn't it? 22:55:38 Does someone from PEORIA have a SHORTER ATTENTION span than me? 22:55:51 Not bloody likely. 22:56:27 :) 22:57:10 projections, all joking aside: did you have a specific question to ask about Scheme? 22:57:47 i have many but dont remember any right now or probably i have looked it up from books a few hours ago 22:58:04 but thanks gnomon and all for welcoming me 22:58:29 I guess we deserved that 22:58:45 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0573CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59:32 *gnomon* facepalms 22:59:47 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.197.39] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00:00 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.197.39] has joined #scheme 23:01:36 i must inform you that im a real beginner ,i m a graphic designer and my questions are going to be really dumb sometimes 23:02:26 enough talking about me:) 23:02:31 enough with the teasing, I am about to shoot my answers in my pants if you don't hurry up 23:02:57 zbigniew: are you a bot or not? 23:03:09 *gnomon* moves away from zbigniew on the bench, there 23:03:12 bot? 23:03:16 projections: Read the topic, that would help you with beginner stuff. 23:03:50 sorry :( 23:04:01 i am really 23:04:05 Sorry? 23:04:36 ] 23:04:37 Don't be sorry! arcfide is being helpful, not dismissive! 23:04:44 oh ok 23:04:49 ill go off now 23:04:53 im messing things up 23:05:02 Oops. Wrong window, really. 23:05:17 projections: ask your questions already 23:05:42 This topic is entirely too meta for this bot 23:06:22 give me 2 more days to think on them,i was just checking if i can ask or not 23:06:41 OK, I'll be back in 2 days. 23:06:44 We have a cautious newbie, do you perchance use OpenBSD? :-) 23:06:44 haha:D 23:07:40 im on macOS :) 23:07:54 maybe he was hacked by haskell and is now super-paranoid, a state of mind which is entirely justified at this point 23:08:30 zbigniew: i wish i could understand what you are talking bout,im THAt new to all these 23:08:49 Earlier you were talking about my pants? 23:08:53 zbigniew: you mean haskell had some bad side effects? 23:09:00 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09:13 hkBst: yes, primarily wind from the nadir 23:09:37 projections, there is an ongoing... relationship between Scheme and Haskell programmers. The relationship is sometimes friendly, sometimes envious (in one direction or t'other), sometimes derisive, sometimes mocking. 23:09:58 i see 23:10:00 ...usually mocking, to be honest. 23:10:03 haskell programmers are lazy 23:10:13 Haskell *programs* are lazy. 23:10:20 whats the relationship between schemers and common lispers? 23:10:28 now thats a question 23:10:51 i guess you all know common as well 23:10:52 ? 23:11:05 it's like a father-son relationship 23:11:15 the father is an alcoholic 23:11:18 :) 23:11:23 and touches the son in his no no place 23:11:29 hahahaahhaahahahahahahah 23:11:33 The relationship is approximately the same as between motorcycle riders and cargo truck drivers. 23:11:40 man i hope the father is schemers 23:11:41 minion: advice for mbishop 23:11:42 mbishop: #11915: Only Sherlock Holmes can debug the program by pure deduction from the output. You are not Sherlock Holmes. Run the fucking debugger already. 23:13:13 minion: advice for minion 23:13:13 minion: #11914: Well, no duh. That's because you ignored the error message, dimwit. 23:15:03 tonyg [n=tonyg@82.152.198.233] has joined #scheme 23:15:38 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 23:16:51 see you all tomorrow.. 23:20:11 -!- tonyg [n=tonyg@82.152.198.233] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:20:37 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 23:26:24 -!- raikov [n=igr@134.74.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:35:22 arcfide pasted "Sample Descot RDF Formats" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80101 23:35:40 arcfide annotated #80101 "SRDF Version" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80101#1 23:36:34 Does anyone have any comments on my S-expression format for RDF Graphs? 23:36:47 Is anyone interested in the more detailed documentation? 23:38:34 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:42:27 -!- wingo [n=wingo@28.Red-81-39-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:53:48 RDF sounds like a bad idea 23:54:00 *Elly* distrusts anything with "framework" right in the name 23:55:38 got burned by this guy, eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framework_%28office_suite%29 23:55:48 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 23:59:48 it's not any particular incident 23:59:54 just the existence of frameworks in general :P