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Try "rudybot: help". 03:07:30 rudybot: eval (list + * /) 03:07:31 gnomon: your sandbox is ready 03:07:31 gnomon: ; Value: (# # #) 03:07:46 rudybot: eval (cdr (list + * /)) 03:07:47 gnomon: ; Value: (# #) 03:07:53 rudybot: eval (car (cdr (list + * /))) 03:07:53 gnomon: ; Value: # 03:08:02 rudybot: eval ((car (cdr (list + * /))) 17 5) 03:08:03 gnomon: ; Value: 85 03:08:20 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176212206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:09:07 so list, is simply building a list that contians, + - * / 03:09:07 Does anyone remembers the name of that scheme that was implemented as a linux kernel module? 03:09:25 eli, schemix. 03:09:35 There may have been more than one, though. 03:10:11 gnomon: Thanks, 03:10:17 Funny, that doesn't ring a bell, but it looks like the one. 03:11:09 If you dig into the history of the project you may find the dingus from which it drew inspiration, or a name it formerly had. 03:11:13 And I definitely don't remember any "movitz". 03:12:40 Yes, that's definitely it. 03:12:49 (schemix, that is.) 03:13:36 oh i get it! cdr is simply returning - * /, then car is returning the -, so - 17 5 is 17-5 = 12 03:14:01 lokieee, good deduction! 03:14:11 eli, excellent! 03:14:18 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@c-71-237-94-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:14:48 -!- aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:31:06 xor [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 03:36:02 -!- xor [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:47:26 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 03:52:32 -!- hadronzoo_ is now known as hadronzoo 03:59:41 z1r [n=wossname@CPE00226b51b526-CM0018c0b50114.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:00:02 -!- wossname [n=wossname@bas1-toronto35-1279420617.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:02:52 incubot: "I was a birch tree, white slenderness in the middle of the meadow, but had no name for what I was." 04:02:55 the low meeping of the Schemers in the meadow 04:03:26 incubot: MOARE MEEPS! 04:03:29 meeps? 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I'm reading the definition, it says the formal parameter is written to the actual paramter when the function returns. So say the actual parameter is like a = 10; foo(int x) { a = a + 1; x = x -1; return; } so now a is going to be 9 right? becuase any modifiations to a, doesn't matter, because it wil be overwritten when the fucntion returns based on whatever you did to the formal paremete 08:29:56 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:31:01 mld [n=user@90-224-13-4-no124.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #scheme 08:35:33 wossname [n=wossname@CPE00226b51b526-CM0018c0b50114.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 08:42:14 -!- z1r [n=wossname@CPE00226b51b526-CM0018c0b50114.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:44:12 stepnem_ [n=versme@77.78.82.57] has joined #scheme 08:44:18 -!- mld [n=user@90-224-13-4-no124.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:50:57 tttssstt` [n=pussycat@77.78.82.57] has joined #scheme 08:58:36 -!- stepnem [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:59:45 -!- tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:59:55 rtra` [n=user@89-181-38-86.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 09:02:06 tttsssttt [n=pussycat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 09:07:18 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:09:48 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:10:26 -!- stepnem_ [n=versme@77.78.82.57] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:11:27 stepnem_ [n=versme@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #scheme 09:11:37 -!- tttssstt` [n=pussycat@77.78.82.57] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:14:57 -!- rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:25:05 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 09:26:25 -!- majhool [n=mrw@user-118bgr6.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:30:51 -!- reprore [n=reprore@125.0.63.71] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 09:37:19 peddie [n=matthew@PEDDIE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 09:53:27 jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 09:54:29 -!- dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has quit [] 09:56:43 jewel__ [n=jewel@41.242.158.152] has joined #scheme 09:56:52 -!- jewel__ is now known as jewel 10:07:27 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:22:34 blackened` [n=blackene@89.102.208.138] has joined #scheme 10:26:25 -!- jewel [n=jewel@41.242.158.152] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:28:42 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 10:51:13 cracki [n=cracki@47-218.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 11:04:22 -!- elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:05:07 elias` [n=me@194.81.255.254] has joined #scheme 11:06:17 cracki_ [n=cracki@47-218.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 11:08:07 dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-178-25.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 11:08:15 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 11:10:14 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-255-155.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:21:50 -!- ken-p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:22:35 -!- cracki [n=cracki@47-218.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:27:10 jao_ [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 11:28:17 -!- jao_ [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:30:36 jao_ [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 11:31:19 -!- jao_ [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:32:00 jao` [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 11:35:01 -!- rtra` is now known as rtra 11:39:12 -!- dlt____ [n=dlt@201.80.181.75] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:45:47 -!- cracki_ [n=cracki@47-218.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:50:04 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 11:51:31 chickamade [n=chickama@123.16.64.239] has joined #scheme 11:53:27 -!- jao` [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["leaving"] 11:53:37 jao` [n=jao@207.Red-83-39-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 11:55:55 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:58:04 -!- chickamade [n=chickama@123.16.64.239] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:59:37 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-73-53.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:01:33 heltav [n=hask@h2n1c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 12:01:41 who is channel op for #lisp? 12:01:48 some #&#%%# banned me 12:02:01 and i want to be unbanned 12:02:19 @-@ 12:02:47 @-@ 12:03:55 how do u get banned from a lisp channel, thats impressive 12:04:14 mmm 12:04:31 heltav, you are the one who uses to troll programming languages channels? 12:05:18 eh ni? 12:05:30 getting banned from #lisp seemed easy 12:05:36 i was on about GUI libs 12:05:50 Nein!! 12:06:47 just stop trolling and you won't get banned 12:07:15 im not trolling 12:07:23 and i want to get unbanned 12:09:12 schemes not such a bad channel 12:09:19 just stay here 12:10:04 http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 12:11:09 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 12:11:42 nick-rivers [n=dsandu@CPE000625d836a0-CM0018c0b3d06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 12:12:59 -!- rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-234-19.51-151.net24.it] has quit ["leaving"] 12:14:01 -!- nick-rivers is now known as nrivers 12:14:01 jjong [n=user@203.246.179.177] has joined #scheme 12:25:00 wasabi_ [n=wasabi@nttkyo454079.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:25:31 i need help setting the path to core file for sbcl on windows 12:26:58 lol, he can't get back on #lisp so he asks CL questions here :) 12:27:41 lol at heltav 12:28:13 i like Clojure but I want lisp all the way down and something more usable than Scheme(no offense it is great for learning) 12:28:45 -!- jberg_ [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:29:53 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o foof 12:30:03 offense taken >:| 12:30:31 i don't even like functional langagues and i'm upset with that statement 12:30:57 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o foof 12:33:09 oh wait theres haskell which is far great than all lisps! 12:33:20 bah fakk it 12:33:21 -!- heltav [n=hask@h2n1c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has left #scheme 12:33:51 *foof* was actually curious what the sbcl "core" file was... a core dump? 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A resumable core dump, i.e. a heap image. 12:38:00 ah 12:41:40 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:41:52 !paste 12:42:50 lisppaste: url 12:42:51 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 12:43:09 http://pastebin.com/m539a0baa what exactly is the "and" doing here? it seems this function is just taking the number and dividing by 1, but i'm confused on the ( and ( not ( = n 0 )) part 12:43:28 thanks riastradh 12:43:37 *foof* is confused by that too 12:43:54 (and (not (= n 0))) 12:44:19 i'm studying for an exam, basically i jsut need to say waht the program is doing on the exam, it won't be this one of course but I"m just trying to grasp the basics of scheme, it was like a 1 day crash course >_<;; 12:44:59 Golly, what good does dividing by 1 do? 12:45:14 no, i know what the program outputs 12:45:24 i just want to know what exactly the ( and (not ( = n 0)) is doing in there 12:46:06 its checking to make sure n isn't a 0? 12:46:15 Yes. What does it do in that case? 12:46:32 mngbd [n=user@vie-nas-ge-0-2.onenet.at] has joined #scheme 12:46:48 wel i ran it, and it prints 0 12:47:01 *foof* takes a wild stab w/o looking at the code - was it supposed to divide by n? 12:47:08 lokieee: If someone asked you to evalute ate (and false ...) As soon as you see the false you don't have to even look at the rest of the statement, you know it is false. 12:48:30 ah okay so its simply returning false if i enter a 0, (0 == false) 12:48:53 lokieee: Right, and it "short circuits" before it tries division by zero. 12:49:25 wait...its / 1 n which is 1/n, but when is it when I run fun 3 it will print 3, not 1/3? 12:50:06 higepon161 [n=taro@FLH1Aip247.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 12:50:47 I'm using DrScheme and if i do fun 3 it prints out # then under it, the answer 3 12:51:10 Juxtaposition does not mean application in Scheme, lokieee. 12:51:14 To apply a procedure, you must write parentheses. 12:51:29 oh snap 12:51:29 thanks 12:51:41 there we go 12:51:48 What does `oh snap' mean? 12:51:54 oh EFF 12:52:04 It is an appeal to the Electronic Frontier Foundation? 12:52:20 oh snap == oh EFF == oh fack == etc 12:52:45 I never use that expression in real life, which is probably good 12:52:55 I see -- a neologistic expletive? Does it serve any purpose other than interjection? 12:53:13 not really, its pretty useless 12:58:03 Apparently it was popularized in the 90s by SNL. 12:58:53 90s was a good time 12:59:41 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:02:28 p1dzkl [i=dica@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 13:04:33 so in the private sector, what industries use functional langagues as their main dev language? 13:05:49 lokieee: Jane Street Capital 13:06:13 xwl [n=user@114.246.89.87] has joined #scheme 13:06:14 They show up in my google ads on gmail all the time. 13:06:41 ah i see, interesting 13:08:09 lokieee: Also, if you count python as a functional language a lot of people use that. 13:08:59 yah i see that used alot 13:10:29 -!- stepnem_ is now known as stepnem 13:10:34 i guess i missed out, this is my last semester and really didn't get much experience in functional langagues, only one course really goes over it, and our professor turned the class into more of a compiler construction course rather than a programming language course 13:10:51 librep seems pretty good. 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17:24:05 incubot: the "the" -> "teh" mapping is a pathological qwerty-artifact since e, unbelievably, is off the home row 17:24:08 All that matters is that environments map names to locations (or meanings in general, if we include in our discussion syntactic bindings, before macro expansion). A compiler or an interpreter uses this mapping. A module system controls this mapping at a large scale, and coordinates code storage and execution phases. 17:25:50 -!- xwl [n=user@114.246.89.87] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:31:41 eli [n=eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:31:47 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-102.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 17:33:38 incubot: al yor cordinate belong to us! 17:33:40 it is an application protocol, so i think content-negotiation aptly belong there 17:34:13 text/lolz, incy. 17:35:37 (define cons cos) <-- after the sixth time I've made that typo 17:36:42 "cons: expects 2 arguments, given 1: 0.5235987755982988" 17:37:40 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:39:47 *sladegen* doesn't see any typo. 17:42:13 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 17:46:14 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@129.170.241.9] has joined #scheme 17:48:46 jah [n=jah@129.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 17:53:36 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 17:53:36 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:03:00 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.146.2] has joined #scheme 18:04:41 -!- rtra [n=user@unaffiliated/rtra] has left #scheme 18:07:52 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:08:18 -!- rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:08:22 rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 18:16:20 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:32 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:25:56 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:17 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:29:59 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:31:39 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:33:11 Deformati [n=joe@c-71-238-45-45.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:35:08 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:37:30 projections [n=p@88.235.101.2] has joined #scheme 18:39:09 -!- badtruffle [n=pumpkin@129.170.241.9] has quit ["Leaving..."] 18:40:20 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 18:40:31 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:41:43 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:42:36 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:45:32 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 18:48:52 jao [n=jao@183.Red-81-32-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:49:41 incubot: i used to mistype 'the' as 'thje' but it wasn't my fault, just an electrical issue with the apple //c keyboard 18:49:44 I have been a geek since the day I was born, and I love programming. I'm now trying to get a degree in computer science, computer engineering, or maybe even electrical engineering after eight years of doing programming for a living. 18:50:12 -!- jao [n=jao@183.Red-81-32-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:50:18 incubot: do u know 6502 asm 18:50:21 Long shot here: anybody know of an electronic version of the Friedman/Felleisen paper introducing the CEK machine? It's IU TR197, aka http://library.readscheme.org/servlets/cite.ss?pattern=Oz-entry60, and it's online nowhere that I can find. 18:50:56 incubot: do u no 6502 asm 18:50:58 -!- dysinger [n=tim@c-24-19-45-181.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:51:09 i see 18:51:20 wahjava [n=abbe@opennic/abbe] has joined #scheme 18:53:50 jao [n=jao@78.Red-79-156-141.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:02:35 -!- jah [n=jah@129.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03:42 saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 19:03:53 I never did find that paper.... 19:05:47 -!- hosh [n=Akashakr@24.30.97.247] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:06:43 melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 19:08:15 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 19:20:54 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:25:53 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 19:26:44 incubot: You never have to pan, you never have to zoom, you never have to scroll. You just read. 19:26:48 what's wrong with having just play control, speed control, and zoom control on the panel? 19:27:03 p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 19:34:07 *Daemmerung* submits it to abebooks and alibris, just for closure's sake. 19:36:56 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-102.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 19:37:05 It's interesting how as incubot's responses get stranger and more out of context it prompts people to submit deliberately strange and out of context responses to incubot. 19:38:06 no hacker can resist gaming a system I guess 19:38:57 incubot, gaming the system 19:39:01 i probably don't need a fully blown module system per say. i just want to avoid the explicit 'self' 19:39:04 what about a hax0r? 19:39:21 -!- badtruffle is now known as copumpkin 19:39:42 Haxo0rs can'7 res1s7 g4m1ng 7h3 5y57e|\/|. 19:40:08 daedra [n=simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has joined #scheme 19:41:01 what program should I use to compile .scm (scheme) files? 19:41:24 daedra: plt scheme or mit scheme 19:41:44 wahjava: the scheme that's taught in SICP 19:42:02 daedra: both should work fine, i used only plt scheme 19:42:17 Pshaw. Just write your own. 19:42:28 *gnomon* mutters "c'mon, take the bait..." 19:42:29 never worked with MIT Scheme. 19:42:41 Fish ain't bitin' today. 19:42:52 'S'truth. 19:42:57 *Daemmerung* spits 19:42:58 -!- Guest49526 is now known as m811 19:43:17 ah nevermind I've found drscheme 19:43:50 -!- jao [n=jao@78.Red-79-156-141.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45:28 ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.94.48] has joined #scheme 19:49:49 -!- daedra [n=simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:50:38 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:55:51 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-81-178-25.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:57:45 klutometis, weren't you going to send an email to remind me about trc-testing and the GPL? 19:59:32 dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has joined #scheme 20:00:30 Consider yourself reminded, sir! 20:00:41 -!- projections [n=p@88.235.101.2] has quit [] 20:01:56 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:21 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit ["reboot"] 20:04:36 -!- ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.94.48] has left #scheme 20:04:47 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-102.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:13:05 ejs [n=eugen@9-240-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 20:15:01 choas [n=lars@p5B0DDBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:19:32 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:19:39 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 20:24:39 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-243-81-186.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:27:38 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:28:03 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:28:47 rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 20:29:39 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 20:30:03 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:40:27 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:40:31 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 20:45:16 Riastradh: yes, working on it now 20:46:28 p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has joined #scheme 20:49:35 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-24-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:51:16 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-13-45.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:55:41 Riastradh: sent to c[...]@mumble.net 21:01:37 Modius_ [n=Modius@99.179.97.159] has joined #scheme 21:06:11 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-67.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:08:00 projections [n=p@88.235.101.2] has joined #scheme 21:10:26 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-13-45.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:11:49 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@99.179.97.159] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:12:00 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 21:16:23 -!- proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:20:00 exexex [n=chatzill@85.96.237.247] has joined #scheme 21:24:43 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:26:02 proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has joined #scheme 21:28:05 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has joined #scheme 21:28:13 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.96.237.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:29:54 -!- dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has quit [] 21:31:16 dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has joined #scheme 21:32:07 -!- dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has quit [Client Quit] 21:33:53 incubot: cry havoc, and let slip the harmonic scalpel! 21:33:54 -!- ejs [n=eugen@9-240-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:33:56 what specific harmonic analysis stuff are you working on? 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I don't seem to have it across many interpreters 23:10:01 Modius [n=Modius@70.129.201.243] has joined #scheme 23:10:33 I've tried all versions of scheme that come built into DrScheme, GUILE, bigloo and mzscheme 23:10:34 ... you mean `cdr'? 23:11:05 foof: is that another name for it? 23:11:22 foof: I'm using a video tutorial to learn 23:11:59 what's the butfirst function do? 23:12:13 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:12:44 synx: it returns the 'tail' of it's argument 23:13:00 (butfirst 'hello) gives o 23:13:00 So if you have a list like (1 2 3 4) butfirst would return (2 3 4) 23:13:02 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:13:06 sorry ello 23:13:13 yes 23:13:15 wait, so it's a symbol masher? 23:13:38 No, this is obviously whats-his-names course. 23:13:43 Not many things that manipulate symbols like that... 23:14:33 (butfirst '(once upon a time)) -> time 23:14:42 god I did it again 23:14:46 upon a time 23:14:47 Oh, okay then. 23:14:52 It's just cdr daedra. :p 23:15:01 (define butfirst cdr) 23:16:32 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:18:24 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:19:19 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.89] has joined #scheme 23:19:48 *jcowan* unvanishes, looking about cautiously for that dratted what's-his-name. 23:20:20 *gnomon* grabs jcowan's left shoe and runs away with it 23:20:21 YAR 23:20:49 *jcowan* follows, involuntarily, dragged by the left foot 23:21:22 *gnomon* gallops through the vegetable garden 23:21:42 Copyright and licensing is hard. 23:21:58 It's hard if you insist on reinventing it from first principle. 23:22:01 -ples 23:22:23 principle-ples? 23:22:27 Principies! 23:22:35 luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has joined #scheme 23:22:35 Pies made of princes? 23:22:40 Princicakes are pretty good, too. 23:22:45 incubot: math is hard 23:22:48 He likes to ramble about 'how good people are at math.' 23:23:14 (Was that my talking about Paul Graham?) 23:23:15 Or you could just follow the wizard at http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/floss/ 23:23:45 klutometis asked whether I'd consider changing the licence of to be the GPL, so that his employer's lawyers would more readily permit him to release changes and additions to me (such as a port to Chicken). 23:24:35 Dual licensing seems to be your friend there. 23:24:43 Or, hmm, no, actually it doesn't. 23:24:55 Send him his very own copy under the GPL. 23:25:00 That's not the issue; I'm happy to change the licence from the (3-clause) BSD to the GPL. 23:25:07 Your users may be less so. 23:25:38 However, if I change the licence to be the GPL, I don't want users who use trc-testing in writing their test suites to be required to release the software for which they have written test suites under (a licence with at least the terms of) the GPL. 23:26:17 Exactly. So re-releasing under the GPL tout court is not the right thing. 23:26:27 -!- daedra [n=simon@unaffiliated/daedra] has quit ["leaving"] 23:27:07 But if klutometis has his own copy, his employer will be so coerced. 23:27:08 On the other hand, if they port it to another Scheme system (such as Money Guzzler Scheme 4.32), I'm happy to require them to release their port under (a licence with at least the terms of) the GPL, if they release anything using it at all. The same goes for libraries that extend the programmatic test suite interface (which is presently undocumented). 23:28:05 In that case I recommend the LGPL, which is designed for that purpose. 23:28:21 The issue is all the trickier because the intended interface in which to write test suites consists solely of macros, which expand at compile-time to covered code. 23:29:15 It allows "works using the library" to be released under any license, but extensions of the library must be released under the LGPL. 23:30:04 The LGPLv3 is a simple patch to the GPLv3 23:30:15 I guess Section 3 of the LGPL covers macros, approximately. 23:30:33 -!- wahjava [n=abbe@opennic/abbe] has quit [] 23:30:34 I believe so, yes. 23:30:46 jberg_ [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 23:30:46 (Section 3 of the LGPLv3, that is.) 23:30:51 Yes. 23:31:04 There is also the LLGPL, which is the LGPLv2 with clarifying language specific to Lisps. 23:31:14 (The LLGPL does not clarify it for Lisp programs, though... Indeed, the LLGPL says nothing about macros.) 23:31:28 Right. I merely mention it for completeness. 23:31:43 abbe [n=abbe@abbe.is.a.member.of.pirateparty.in] has joined #scheme 23:31:58 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:32:37 Licensing with the LGPL also has the advantage that it implies a dual licensing with the GPL automatically. 23:34:26 (In any case, I believe that the LLGPL's theory that LGPLv2 clause 5 distinguishes between static and dynamic linking to be false.) 23:35:16 Oh yes, the LGPLv2 concept of "work based on the library" is now called "Application" under LGPLv3 23:35:52 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-162-104.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #scheme 23:38:02 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38:46 Riastradh: originally, you were concerned that test suites would be affected; but are you also concerned that software using test suites would be affected? 23:39:22 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 23:40:18 It depends, I suppose, on whether you distribute the code with the tests compiled in. Most people don't. 23:41:49 In spite of macro-expansion, I still contend that test-suites don't constitute a derivative work. 23:42:47 That's a naked assertion, though; based on intuition. 23:43:06 "Derivative work" deliberately does not have a bright-line definition 23:43:44 -!- jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:45:04 I can't figure this out on an empty stomach. 23:45:04 jcowan: is it in the FSF's interest to have ambiguous phrasing? 23:45:09 *Riastradh* vanishes. 23:45:25 Hey now, no trolling ;) 23:46:07 gnomon: serious question, actually; i wonder if over-specification actually hurts you in court. 23:47:06 IIRC, jcowan's pedigree is lawerly 23:49:13 "The first thing you learn in a lawin' family is that there ain't no definite answers to anything." --Calpurnia, _To Kill A Mockingbird_ 23:49:19 Maybe so, maybe not. 23:49:43 They did try to become independent of U.S. copyright jargon in the GPLv3 by using their own jargon, with definitions. 23:49:46 Could be. Depends on how well you argue, and how well the argument is received. 23:50:58 jcowan, why not indepent of the justice's home jargon? 23:51:24 "The members of the English Church had ingenuously imagined up to that moment that it was possible to contain in a frame of words the subtle essence of their complicated doctrinal system, involving the mysteries of the Eternal and the Infinite on the one hand, and the elaborate adjustments of temporal government on the other. They did not understand that verbal definitions in such a case will only perform their functions so long as there is no dispute about 23:51:24 the matters which they are intended to define: that is to say, so long as there is no need for them. For generations this had been the case with the Thirty-nine Articles. Their drift was clear enough; and nobody bothered over their exact meaning. But directly some one found it important to give them a new and untraditional interpretation, it appeared that they were a mass of ambiguity, and might be twisted into meaning very nearly anything that anybody lik 23:51:25 ed." 23:51:46 So with the GPLv2. 23:52:57 And thus rms cleverly made things worse with the GPLv3 :) 23:53:55 what's the court of GPLvX? 23:54:07 it's a monopoly 23:54:15 Whoever. It does not specify one. 23:54:18 incubot: when I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less 23:54:21 better aberdeen than somewhere in south asia, right? my dad joined the navy underaged so he could choose his MOS as a jet mechanic instead of being drafted into infantry 23:55:36 *foof* joined the navy for the uniforms, and the strapping young men that wear them 23:55:40 if GPLvX is not specified, it's suppossed that the court for ruling the laws is one of FSF that is not published yet 23:58:24 You need to distinguish between choice of *jurisdiction* and choice of *law*. They're separate. 23:58:54 If you go to court over the GPL, the court has to decide if it has jurisdiction or not. If so, then it has to decide which law to apply. 23:59:04 It will often be guided by choice-of-law clauses in the contract, but not always. 23:59:36 Plus the question of renvoi: the law of A may specify that in a particular case the law of B applies, but if the law of B refers the case back to A, then what?