00:03:21 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:03:29 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 00:06:50 -!- Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-106-1-14.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07:13 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:12:15 rotty, sure, I can take a look. 00:12:40 facetious [n=facetiou@66.92.130.200] has joined #scheme 00:13:43 -!- facetious [n=facetiou@66.92.130.200] has quit [Client Quit] 00:13:54 facetious [n=facetiou@66.92.130.200] has joined #scheme 00:14:13 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:14:19 -!- facetious [n=facetiou@66.92.130.200] has quit [Client Quit] 00:14:21 rotty, for such inquiries, it is better to show the code at the beginning (with lisppaste, in an email, &c.), in order to avoid incurring a round-trip delay for a message. 00:21:36 hi, I have a doubt about how to syntax-rules macros works 00:23:24 -!- FunkyDrummer [n=RageOfTh@92.36.191.183] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 00:23:29 -!- dirchh [n=user@HSI-KBW-078-042-118-216.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27:02 david pasted "syntax-rules macro" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79665 00:27:53 thanks in advance 00:31:04 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 00:31:06 amazon10x [i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-5e98b33f9f22ad1d] has joined #scheme 00:31:11 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209.161.231.13] has joined #scheme 00:31:14 davazp: http://eval.apply.googlepages.com/eccentric.txt 00:31:19 brandelune [n=suzume@pl428.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:33:08 -!- melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [] 00:33:16 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@95-24-92-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:40:17 -!- amazon10x [i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-5e98b33f9f22ad1d] has left #scheme 00:42:08 Is there a good reason we can't use vectors in place of argument lists? 00:42:26 I can't imagine how the syntax would work, but it does make me curious. 00:43:10 synx: in clojure, the argument is in a vector 00:43:14 I don't know of any reason in the spec that would require either one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one in there somewhere. 00:44:22 I was just looking at that eccentric page, and musing on how to get say, the 3rd value from a a rest argument. 00:44:31 maskd- [n=maskd@2001:470:1:41:a800:ff:fe59:ad66] has joined #scheme 00:45:08 nth-value I can see how to use vectors to make it a bit more efficient ehe. 00:45:27 If you're doing that... 00:45:49 -!- maskd [n=maskd@unaffiliated/maskd] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:46:23 you could match for that in the pattern of the syntax-rules, right? 00:46:24 *duncanm* goes home 00:47:35 synx pasted "nth-value" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79667 00:48:09 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:48:21 synx, rest arguments are stored in lists for hysterical raisins, and only for hysterical raisins, as far as I know. 00:48:58 incubot: hysterical raisins 00:49:01 it has nearly thirty years of historical raisins to back it. 00:49:29 is writing (define-syntax something (syntax-rules () ...)) so tedious that it prompts so many people to write their own macros called define-syntax-rules/define-simple-syntax/etc? 00:49:49 That question has so many dangling qualifiers. 00:49:56 heh 00:49:59 hey Riastradh 00:50:03 Hi. 00:50:11 Tail qualifiers? :-P 00:51:31 Tails dangle too. 00:52:54 -!- cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 00:55:14 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 00:55:52 -!- Qaexl [n=Akashakr@c-24-30-97-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:57:37 Qaexl [n=Akashakr@24.30.97.247] has joined #scheme 01:02:12 Kirklander [n=Kirkland@216.93.247.56] has joined #scheme 01:05:11 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:07:12 Debolaz [n=debolaz@berle.cc] has joined #scheme 01:11:29 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:11:29 -!- bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:11:49 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 01:11:55 bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:56 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:25:34 I find things like define-syntax-rules eliminates flexibility that I never use. 01:26:18 I mean (define-syntax something (syntax-rules (something) ...)) is fine if you're actually needing it. All the macros I ever tried could be done with that define-syntax-rule thing though. 01:28:56 incubot: Negative energies and probabilities should not be considered as nonsense. They are well-defined concepts mathematically, like a negative of money. 01:28:59 C arithmetic is defined in terms of processor ALU. Lisp arithmetic is defined mathematically. 01:29:58 -!- maskd- is now known as maskd 01:30:11 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:32:01 yes.. 01:37:56 wossname [n=wossname@65.92.110.24] has joined #scheme 01:38:01 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-74-145.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:38:16 eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-130-173.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:41:50 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@www.netvisor.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:42:57 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:46:11 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 01:46:29 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:47:02 mejja: I'd say much of mathematics can be considered as nonsense. 01:47:19 The energy in the middle of a stable Einstein-Rosen bridge for example :3 01:49:25 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:29 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:50:02 rudybot: init 01:50:04 eli: your "http://tmp.barzilay.org/x.scm" sandbox is ready 01:50:10 rudybot: eval (( x y  (+ x y)) 5 6) 01:50:10 eli: ; Value: 11 01:50:21 Elly: See there for a half-assed implementation. 01:50:46 (A full-assed implementation will require `syntax-case'.) 01:50:55 that's pretty scary :P 01:51:04 in what sense is it halfassed? 01:51:40 They're just characters you know... They don't bite. In fact they're completely harmless -- unless you intentionally provoke them first. 01:51:53 It's half assed in that it's not doing error checking right. 01:52:08 rudybot: eval (( x y (+ x y)) 5 6) 01:52:09 eli: error: eval:1:1: lambda-arrow-scanner: bad syntax in: (lambda-arrow-scanner (x y (+ x y))) 01:52:18 Elly: That's a bad error message. 01:52:26 oh :P 01:52:39 rudybot: eval (( x x  (+ x y)) 5 6) 01:52:39 eli: error: eval:1:6: lambda: duplicate argument name at: x in: (lambda (x x) (+ x y)) 01:52:46 rudybot: eval (( 1  (+ x y)) 5 6) 01:52:47 eli: error: eval:1:4: lambda: not an identifier, identifier with default, or keyword at: 1 in: (lambda (1) (+ x y)) 01:52:53 More bad errors. 01:53:52 yeah :( 01:53:58 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:54:38 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:54:39 A proper `syntax-case' implementation would be pretty easy though. 01:57:11 reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #scheme 01:59:44 repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:03:20 jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 02:04:46 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:06:14 -!- timchen1` is now known as nasloc__ 02:09:15 -!- cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:16:32 repro____ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:16:52 -!- repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:17:09 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 02:21:54 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:22:53 -!- repro____ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:23:10 reprore__ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:23:26 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:26:07 -!- reprore [n=reprore@i121-114-159-208.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:27:02 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 02:27:27 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:33:29 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 02:33:50 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:34:43 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:35:42 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-201-29.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:04 rotty: Thanks, synthcode is back up. 02:45:07 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 02:51:19 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176212191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:52:10 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:52:19 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176212206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:53:00 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 02:53:17 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:56:25 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:58:09 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 02:58:22 DAMN FORK BOMBS 02:59:04 I start an xterm. If it stops normally, wait 2 seconds and start it again. 02:59:09 So an xterm pops up and vanishes. 02:59:15 Then two xterms pop up and vanish. 02:59:48 Soon I'm frantically trying to kill drscheme as my window fills with xterms and all of X crashes horribly. 03:01:18 haha 03:01:29 I fork bomb myself so much it's a wonder I even bother trying to program. 03:01:46 I did it on purpose once 03:01:55 So did I. Once. 03:01:57 Never again... 03:01:59 I wrote a program that did an infinite loop callin fork 03:02:11 (let fun () (fork) (fun)) 03:02:13 I've done it a couple of times, with the shell script "$O & $0 &" 03:02:35 how does that work? 03:02:53 is one O and the other 0? 03:02:58 no, both are 0 03:03:00 Both are 0 03:03:03 $0 in shell-ese means "this program" 03:03:10 so "run two copies of this program asynchronously" 03:03:14 -!- reprore__ [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:03:22 but this program is to run 2 copies? 03:03:33 Each of which runs two copies, each of which .... 03:03:43 it doesn't work for me 03:03:48 And each of the two copies runs two copies. And each of the 4 copies runs 2 copies... 03:03:49 I tried it on two machines with different results 03:03:57 but neither do waht you claim 03:03:58 You can't just type it to the shell, you have to put it in a file 03:04:04 Don't do it geckosenator it'll kill any machine that isn't locked down... 03:04:12 uh 03:04:15 oh 03:04:25 that makes a lot more sense 03:04:32 let me try it 03:04:46 *mejja* waves goodbye 03:04:54 fill up your process table in seconds, nothing left to do but kill the power. 03:04:58 ooh it's getting carzy 03:05:12 it's killing my mail server 03:05:22 yeah I'm screwed 03:05:39 My dual-core warp-capable Google desktop box survived almost a minute, which stunned me. 03:05:53 this computer lasted about 5 seconds 03:05:57 Most boxen are gone faster than I can move my hand from the keyboard to the mouse to see if the mouse pointer an still be moved. 03:06:21 it only has 128 megs of ram to begin with 03:07:23 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176214241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08:29 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176212191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:11:09 "ulimit -u" is how you stop fork bombs in Linux. That's still kind of hackish though, as a general solution is equivalent to the halting problem. 03:11:10 this is why there are resource limits. 03:11:18 es 03:11:21 *yes 03:11:52 You just have to divine with your magic crystal ball how many total threads a user is going to need. 03:12:03 soft ulimits will stop accidental forkbombs 03:12:23 right ulimit -H -u sorry. 03:13:08 the fix for intentional forkbombs is userdel 03:13:10 :) 03:14:07 what really kills me are memory eating bugs. I still can grind any system to a halt with an unprivileged process. Not as bad as a fork bomb though. 03:14:57 But when you set resource limits on memory, suddenly you start discovering a lot of colossally arrogant java programmers who assume that they'll reserve 2 gigabytes just for safe keeping. 03:15:17 synx: heh, I thought you didn't know about memory resource limits 03:15:28 dumb assumption :P 03:15:37 not to bag on java specifically... but nobody's used to working within memory resource limits, so a lot of programs *cough*Firefox*cough* mysteriously break. 03:15:54 and yeah, adding security/safety protocols ends up breaking a lot of things that aren't used to them. 03:16:21 *jcowan* remembers the 8K memory limit of his first computer. 03:16:31 I use memory resource limits Adamant. And my system works about as well as a 3 legged dog in a hurdles race. 03:16:43 jcowan: TX-1 from MIT? :P 03:16:55 I mean it works, but... at unpredictable intervals my programs just die. Only the ones that push the memory limits of course. 03:16:56 I kid, I kid, I joke with you 03:17:13 Almost. DEC PDP-8. 03:17:14 synx: sounds like the early days for PaX 03:17:23 jcowan: wow. 03:17:33 So that's 8K of 12-bit words 03:17:36 jcowan: PDP-10 or 11 man? 03:17:54 I just get used to random crashes and save often. drscheme has tons of memory leaks, eventually crashes even with a 2GB per-process memory limit. 03:18:14 I went from the 8 to the 11. Never programmed the 10 except a little bit 03:18:16 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:18:20 synx: you find out that a suprising amount of programs use inlined or otherwise embedded assembler 03:18:23 And ironically with said memory limit, I still can bring my system to its knees with a memory eating loop. 03:19:12 (I wrote a FINGER program in TOPS-10 COBOL) 03:20:01 jcowan: they have the PDP-11's replicated on FPGA's now, don't they? 03:20:33 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit ["Changing server..."] 03:20:43 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:20:48 Probably. 03:20:50 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:21:01 Also there are very good simulators for all these boxen in C.` 03:21:06 jcowan: ah 03:21:14 jcowan: cycle-accurate and all that? 03:22:14 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:22:34 Alas, qemu doesn't have any PDPs. 03:24:07 Some, yes. Of course, very fast! 03:24:09 Anyone know how to enable cut and paste in plt-scheme's GUI? 03:24:22 I mean besides the right click menu, the keyboard accelerators. 03:26:05 I think it's keymap:setup-global right? 03:26:55 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 03:29:11 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:30:30 -!- eno_ is now known as eno 03:31:35 synx: I have drscheme opened for weeks at a time, with no leaks. If you think that you found a bug that can be replicated blah blah blah bugreport blah blah blah email. 03:32:18 jcowan: Now the real experiment to do is to change one of the $0 calls to exec and see if it crashes after twice the time... 03:32:26 How can you tell if DrScheme leaks? It already uses up all your memory at startup! 03:32:27 *foof* ducks 03:32:33 :) 03:33:21 It does use a lot of memory, but things have generally improved. (Plus, many of the tools can be disabled which cuts more memory and startup time.) 03:33:35 But regardless, it shouldn't leak more memory over time. 03:38:13 well, drscheme leaks of course, because it runs my programs you see. 03:40:24 In that case, you should submit a bug report to a nearby mirror. Will at least save you on the whole email deal. 03:40:31 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-201-29.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:53:34 -!- wossname [n=wossname@65.92.110.24] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:54:22 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 03:54:50 wossname [n=wossname@CPE00226b51b526-CM0018c0b50114.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:56:35 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 04:00:02 -!- Elly is now known as Elly|20 04:01:08 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 04:01:20 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:01:46 eli: Just "$0 & $0" should make it not exponential, eh? 04:01:53 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:02:25 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:06:13 jcowan: But that's a non-tail call, unlike `exec'... 04:06:20 foof: 100M is perfectly acceptable for a text box and some buttons 04:06:43 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 04:09:22 You're right, to be linear it has to be $0 & exec $0 04:09:39 (Of course, nothing says the shell couldn't be implemented to be properly tail recursive.) 04:12:32 |sepult| [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:14:23 -!- |sepult| [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 04:14:54 (I don't think that the shell is allowed to be properly recursive...) 04:14:57 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-222.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:18:05 Probably not. 04:18:12 @#$* Posix. 04:19:34 *jcowan* is working on a new and definitely non-Posix shell 04:19:52 it's a hybrid of rc and Lua. 04:20:15 which is spot-compiled into pure Lua and executed. 04:20:35 Although maybe I should use chibi-scheme instead. 04:21:23 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:21:23 -!- bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:21:49 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["has been attacked by a grue"] 04:21:50 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 04:22:48 z0r [n=wossname@CPE0016b638d6ef-CM0018c0c4cdec.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 04:23:41 @#$* Lua. 04:24:20 why so? 04:25:00 Lua is one of those young kids that stole money from Scheme's pocket. 04:25:21 interesting metaphor, when speaking of brazil 04:25:53 What's the brazil connection? 04:26:25 according to wikipedia, lua was created in rio de janeiro 04:26:56 rio, of course, being famous for its beaches, with dirt-poor favellas overlooking 04:26:58 Yes, that side I remember (because of the weird accent of the guy in one of the LL things.) 04:27:28 So stealing is a problem? 04:27:40 yes. huge crime problem 04:27:56 z1r [n=wossname@99.244.183.24] has joined #scheme 04:27:58 Well, I'd be happy to use something as compact that was a Scheme 04:28:10 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 04:28:15 OK, then. But I don't have any better metaphor... 04:28:51 Plwsh was inspired by scsh, but it presents a more sh-ish interface 04:29:58 i am attempting to refocus on shipping web sites that might generate income. rather than projects i find interesting for their own sake 04:30:06 jcowan: FWIW, I've been working on an SCSH SRFI. 04:30:16 Cool! Can I see? 04:30:19 ... which presents a _less_ sh-ish interface :) 04:32:15 However, I think with paredit and scheme-complete (with some extensions) it could actually be usable as an interactive shell. 04:33:06 -!- z0r [n=wossname@CPE0016b638d6ef-CM0018c0c4cdec.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:34:52 It may be politically incorrect now, though, seeing as how Shivers seems not to have completely abandoned the Scheme community :) 04:35:11 What do you have so far? 04:35:40 Or, people are throwing his name around, at any rate. SCSH still hasn't been updated in 2 years. 04:36:09 Poeir_ [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:38:25 No, Olin definitely did not abandon Scheme (see duncanm). 04:38:50 duncanm? 04:39:31 Yes, he's working on a project with Olin -- porting edwin to scsh or scheme48. 04:40:03 -!- wossname [n=wossname@CPE00226b51b526-CM0018c0b50114.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:41:10 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:41:33 Also, wasn't he just co-opted into the Steering Committee? 04:41:53 Yes. 04:42:54 nonviolent coup by the scheme underground? 04:43:09 There is no scheme underground. 04:43:20 *foof* reports neilv 04:43:28 The best way to fight revolutionaries is to make them part of the system. 04:51:23 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209.161.231.13] has quit [Client Quit] 04:52:39 -!- Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed 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[n=r00t@115.241.94.24] has joined #scheme 12:30:42 lisppaste: url 12:30:42 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 12:31:11 -!- annodomini_ [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 12:31:29 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@99.179.101.129] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:32:04 hkBst pasted "make-next-coords.scm" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79697 12:32:34 I'm having some trouble with plt and syntax-case ^^^ 12:33:22 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@115.241.94.24] has quit [Client Quit] 12:33:50 cornucopic [n=r00t@115.241.94.24] has joined #scheme 12:33:51 if you go to the help desk and search for "pretty-print", it will tell you the "require" form you need 12:34:35 neilv: that's weird because if I just start mzscheme, then it does know it 12:35:07 $ mzscheme 12:35:09 Welcome to MzScheme v4.1.5 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2009 PLT Scheme Inc. 12:35:10 > pretty-print 12:35:12 # 12:35:51 you might be getting a different language, or you might have a .mzschemerc that is requiring it 12:37:15 or maybe mzscheme requires it when in interactive mode, or something 12:37:33 in any case, "require" is your friend 12:38:16 neilv: I created a file containing (display pretty-print) and it printed # too. 12:39:44 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5452.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:40:31 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5452.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 12:44:42 hkBst annotated #79697 "(require (for-syntax scheme/pretty))" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79697#1 12:44:52 neilv: the problem appears to be that pretty-print is not available at meta level 1... see new paste ^^^ 13:02:43 langmartin [n=user@152.85.133.62] has joined #scheme 13:11:22 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-7.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 13:11:34 incubot: seen any pretty prints around? 13:11:37 Even if it prints prettier, it's still not exact. Rounding just works a bit more in your favour. 13:12:04 rounding is definitely favoured, incubot. 13:19:47 cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-255-155.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:22:54 ejs2 [n=eugen@94.179.77.190] has joined #scheme 13:31:12 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 13:32:30 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 13:34:57 underspecified_ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 13:39:35 luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 13:42:33 foof, Olin has not exactly abandoned scsh, either. 13:44:41 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 13:50:31 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-7.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:50:39 bombshelter13_ [n=greg@206.80.251.101] has joined #scheme 13:56:17 jah [n=jah@246.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 14:00:59 dlt____ [n=dlt@201.80.181.75] has joined #scheme 14:16:37 -!- langmartin [n=user@152.85.133.62] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 14:18:48 -!- dlt__ [n=dlt@201.57.58.146] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:23:17 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl428.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 14:28:48 langmartin [n=user@152.85.133.62] has joined #scheme 14:30:06 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-220.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 14:35:52 -!- jah [n=jah@246.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 14:36:34 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-143-139.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:37:53 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-44.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:40:46 -!- neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:42:50 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:43:08 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-109-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 14:47:10 Riastradh: What has he done with it? 14:52:31 bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-199-117.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:54:56 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-190-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:57:04 -!- langmartin [n=user@152.85.133.62] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 14:57:16 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a662aa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-828e7bf7f6f9e951] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 15:00:21 -!- Kirklander [n=Kirkland@216.93.247.56] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:00:29 Ragnaroek [i=54a662aa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-da6d7f0837873137] has joined #scheme 15:19:32 blackened` [n=blackene@89.102.208.138] has joined #scheme 15:23:22 -!- ASau` [n=user@host28-231-msk.microtest.ru] has quit ["off"] 15:32:31 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:34:34 jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:56 hkBst: The new problem you're having there is because you're using `syntax->datum' (and I have no idea why you'd want to use it, it destroys the macro explicitly). 15:41:05 -!- jc_ [n=jc@78.149.104.85] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:41:52 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:42:46 -!- bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:43:21 Elly [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has joined #scheme 15:43:24 eli: I was trying to get rid of things like "make-next-coords.scm:14:40: names: pattern variable cannot be used outside of a template in: names" 15:44:36 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@115.241.94.24] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- z1r [n=wossname@bas1-toronto35-1279420617.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- Elly|20 [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@58.48.196.250] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- glogic [n=glogic@5ess.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:36 -!- Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:44:45 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:44:45 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-190-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 15:45:18 glogic [n=glogic@5ess.net] has joined #scheme 15:45:41 Arelius [n=indy@64.174.9.113] has joined #scheme 15:45:47 Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:46:32 hkBst: you can just use #'names or (syntax names) to use the value. `syntax->datum' loses information (which is directly leading to that error). 15:47:13 -!- bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-199-117.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 15:48:37 wossname [n=wossname@bas1-toronto35-1279420617.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 15:50:39 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 15:51:01 bohanlon [n=bohanlon@TUBERIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 15:55:21 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.10.198.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 15:56:25 eli: i'd like to programmatically get a list of all modules in the collection path... i see how to do that using fold-files and the paths, but perhaps it's already done? what about defined modules not in the path? 15:57:05 eli: at the moment I am completely confused about it. 15:58:12 hkBst: Especially if you're confused, you should just avoid using `syntax->datum'. What it basically does is take an identifier, and give you back a symbol with the same name -- but that's no longer the same identifier. 15:58:18 -!- elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.10.198.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:58:29 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.10.198.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 15:58:37 jao: Just fold-files would be what you want, since any of these files could be required... 15:58:40 bweaver [n=user@c-68-60-0-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:58:45 *eli* needs to crash 15:58:49 mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has joined #scheme 15:59:10 eli: ok, thanks. 15:59:21 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@58.48.196.250] has joined #scheme 15:59:39 jah [n=jah@246.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 16:00:17 elfor__ [n=johanfre@h-91-88.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 16:03:09 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:03:30 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #scheme 16:04:34 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:01 cornucopic [n=r00t@115.241.94.24] has joined #scheme 16:12:15 elfor___ [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 16:15:14 elfor_ [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 16:15:33 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:16:25 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 16:17:41 -!- elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.10.198.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:17:49 -!- elfor___ [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:19:44 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 16:23:45 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:28:28 -!- jah [n=jah@246.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 16:28:33 -!- elfor__ [n=johanfre@h-91-88.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:32:47 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-109-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit ["Yow! Legally-imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED!"] 16:33:57 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@94.179.77.190] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:36:33 hkBst_ [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 16:38:10 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:41:12 -!- hkBst_ is now known as hkBst 16:43:04 In plt, if I want to exit a procedure via tail recursion, it's important I not have any contracts on that procedure right? 16:44:04 It seems like it somehow makes the procedure tail recursive, while the contract is not, so I just end up with a stack full of contracts. 16:44:26 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a662aa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-da6d7f0837873137] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 16:44:36 synx: Generalising your question, isn't that like asking about a call stack that's full of dynamic-winds? 16:45:34 I...don't know how contracts are implemented. I guess that would be a good way of doing it though. 16:45:59 Yeah, I don't know either. 16:46:20 contracts have to operate on the return value of a procedure, so I don't know how to do that with dynamic wind... without being non-tail-recursive of course. 16:46:35 Hmm. 16:48:02 contracts are useful for argument checking though. I wonder if I tell it "returns anything" maybe it'll handle the procedure differently. 16:50:22 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:51:25 Rounin [n=david@rounin.409.no] has joined #scheme 16:52:44 Hello! I need to use a value from a random generator (which returns a different value each time) twice... What do I do to bind something to the value returned by the generator, but without calling the generator more than once? 16:52:51 A random number generator that is 16:54:08 rudybot: (random 10) 16:54:09 geckosenator: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 16:54:13 rudybot: eval (random 10) 16:54:13 geckosenator: your sandbox is ready 16:54:14 geckosenator: ; Value: 6 16:54:15 rudybot: eval (random 10) 16:54:16 geckosenator: ; Value: 7 16:54:19 rudybot: eval (random 10) 16:54:20 geckosenator: ; Value: 3 16:54:22 ooh 16:54:38 r5rs let 16:54:39 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_124 16:54:41 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/695ay7 16:55:11 rudybot: eval (let ((x (random 10))) (print x) (print x)) 16:55:11 geckosenator: ; stdout: "22" 16:55:36 Right... Thanks 17:03:19 -!- jao [n=jao@80.24.4.74] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:03:20 barney [n=bernhard@p549A1BD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:03:39 -!- higepon986 [n=taro@FLH1Aip247.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:04:32 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@129.170.187.165] has joined #scheme 17:05:02 -!- badtruffle is now known as copumpkin 17:06:18 dysinger [n=tim@c-24-19-45-181.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:09:39 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:12:47 Apparently I should have worried about the exact opposite thing: The random number generator just returns the same value again and again throughout the execution of the program, despite the fact that it comes up with a new value each time the program is run 17:13:26 incubot: (let ((there be)) light) 17:13:26 Error: unbound variable: be 17:13:56 incubot: be is not a variable, silly. 17:13:59 does it work after setting that environment variable to the correct path? 17:14:25 incubot: what path? i'm not going anywhere. 17:14:28 Is there a (concise) reference on shiversloop anywhere? 17:15:24 incubot: Error: unbound variable: concise 17:15:27 s/undefined/unbound/ 17:16:00 incubot: s/unbound/undefined/loop 17:16:03 Error: unbound variable: dIsPlaY 17:16:05 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 17:16:15 *sladegen* ghehzs 17:16:36 Hey, please! 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20:32:16 I don't think so. When did you send it? 20:32:50 1h ago or so. 20:34:12 To what address? 20:34:29 c..@mumble.net 20:34:34 OK. Hm. 20:34:42 Resent! 20:35:04 Got it. 20:35:59 I presume you mean that if you try to open a file containing everything after `begin 644 malformed.mbox' as a umail file, IMAIL behaves suboptimally? 20:36:39 No. Unpack the file with uudecode and open it with imail. 20:36:56 ...ah. 20:37:26 Gee, does your mailer not know how to send attachments with content-type and content-transfer-encoding header fields? 20:38:36 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-220-145.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 20:38:40 *gnomon* would be happy if every mailer at least used RFC-mandated line terminators in the header, but no-o-o-o-o-o, apparently that's *just too difficult* 20:38:45 Thats what i tried first of course. Didn't work. 20:39:49 impomatic [n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:39:59 -!- impomatic [n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk] has left #scheme 20:45:20 -!- aquanaut [i=jvmbsd7@66.111.62.170] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:45:55 -!- jao [n=jao@45.Red-81-32-183.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:46:02 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:31 -!- mrscheme [n=user@67.110.140.180.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:47:02 srfi 64 vs. srfi 78 vs. testeez; prejudices, alternatives? 20:47:17 Phooey. Silly typo. 20:47:45 mejja, in imail/imail-mime.scm's MIME:PARSE-MULTIPART-PARTS-1, in the LOOP procedure, change (IF (= BOUNDARY-START START) ...) to (IF (= BOUNDARY-START PART-START) ...). 20:49:11 jewel__ [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 20:50:48 klutometis, how about ? 20:51:56 -!- Modius [n=Modius@69.150.58.107] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:52:55 Riastradh: (IF (= BOUNDARY-START PART-START) PART-START (- BOUNDARY-START 1)) 20:52:59 right? 20:53:06 ...yes, that too. 20:54:04 When do I git it? 20:54:24 Can't say about Git, but I'll commit the change to CVS later this evening or tomorrow when I have time. 20:57:52 Riastradh: thanks for the adjective niladic, by the way; any idea how difficult it would be to port to chicken? 20:58:18 i'll take a look at the mit/s48-specific loaders 20:59:39 The translation should be fairly mechanical, and not very hard. If you want an opinion other than that of the author, you might ask offby1 or rotty, who I believe have ported it elsewhere (perhaps already to Chicken). 21:01:02 After that initial effort, furthermore, I believe that the cognitive overhead of using trc-testing is extremely minimal. Here is an example of its use: . 21:03:08 It is also very amenable to easy editor conveniences. If you are interested you could translate mit-edwin.scm into something for Emacs so that you can type `M-x eval-test RET' or `M-x run-test RET' on a test definition using routines from cmuscheme.el rather than Edwin's EDITOR-EVAL procedure and whatnot. 21:04:36 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-190-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:05:21 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 21:08:31 Riastradh: elegant; and with minimal bootstrapping overhead. is that a berkeley license, by the way? it would be nice to have a viral license, so that my company was forced to open source any modifications. 21:08:51 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a66008@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c93e6519fd0f6d71] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 21:09:46 Are you covertly trying to say that in order for your company's lawyers to permit you to send any port to me, the licence must require you to do that? 21:10:20 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit ["changing servers"] 21:10:52 not necessarily; but if they can get away with apache-style keep-the-modifications, they usually do. alternatively, i can "spare time" this one, and save myself the grief 21:12:24 I'm willing to change the licence to be the GPL if you can persuade me that doing so would not impose any conditions on test suites written using trc-testing. But right now I must vanish, not to return until later this evening, so please send me mail. 21:12:35 ok 21:12:40 ejs [n=eugen@214-195-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 21:14:23 saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 21:16:26 -!- tessier [n=treed@unused-105-40-113.ixpres.com] has left #scheme 21:22:52 jao [n=jao@138.Red-79-156-140.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:23:21 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 21:24:14 dysinger [n=tim@64.40.56.45] has joined #scheme 21:25:56 -!- ejs [n=eugen@214-195-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:27:41 -!- jewel__ [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:32:07 -!- cky [n=cky@cpe-024-211-255-155.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:32:07 -!- choas [n=lars@p5B0DD73A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:35:24 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=greg@206.80.251.101] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:30 Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-220-145.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:35:43 -!- jao [n=jao@138.Red-79-156-140.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:38:58 incubot: wow, google is broken. i put in a query string which has 63 hits and it "Did you mean?"s me with zero hits. WOW, just, wow! 21:39:01 wait until it hits 0. 21:39:21 incubot: 0 does not exist. 21:39:24 ... The one exception to this rule is that a single SPACE is assumed to exist between contiguous words in a phrase, ... 21:39:56 incubot: assumptions, LULZ. 21:39:59 See for details on the absurdity of Chez's assumptions. 21:42:39 lyhana8 [n=lyhana8@mut38-3-82-228-183-64.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:43:09 hi, i'm looking for some GUI tutorial for scheme any links ? 21:44:07 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-220-145.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:44:14 lyhana8, have a look in the topic of this channel, lyhana8. There are several excellent resources listed there, each of which points to other similarly excellent resources. 21:45:11 gnomon: anyone you advice for GUI ? 21:45:27 I just do a quick search for a friend (it's late here~) 21:45:29 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:45:49 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-118.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:29 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-220-145.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:49:57 lyhana8, consider PLT Scheme; it has a pleasant GUI for several operating systems. 21:50:32 which is ? 21:50:38 + I need a tutorial 21:51:34 lyhana8, once you have a Scheme system installed, consult the links that I mentioned above and choose whichever tutorial you like best; or consult the Help function in PLT Scheme, which includes Scheme self-study resources. 21:51:52 If you do not know what PLT Scheme is, try typing it into your favourite search engine! 21:52:14 Or try visiting http://www.plt-scheme.org 21:53:00 I used to know (a bit) scheme but never work with GUI 21:53:24 I'm out, thanks anyway 21:53:27 -!- lyhana8 [n=lyhana8@mut38-3-82-228-183-64.fbx.proxad.net] has left #scheme 21:53:44 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@129.170.187.165] has quit ["Leaving..."] 21:54:32 I can't tell if that person found what he/she/they/it sought or not. 21:54:35 jao [n=jao@123.Red-81-32-180.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:55:14 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-250-152-214.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 21:57:26 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-220.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:58:46 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 22:00:48 badtruffle [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-102.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 22:01:57 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:06:11 brandelune [n=suzume@pl334.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:06:36 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-68-92-150-118.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:07:54 badtruffl [n=pumpkin@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 22:08:11 -!- jlongster [n=user@64-139-72-146-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:10:28 -!- badtruffl is now known as copumpkin 22:18:15 `sorrow` [n=kvirc@92.7.2.171] has joined #scheme 22:18:39 -!- badtruffle [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-102.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:25:24 -!- jao [n=jao@123.Red-81-32-180.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:49 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-250-152-214.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:37:48 -!- `sorrow` [n=kvirc@92.7.2.171] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 22:38:10 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-216-207.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:38:37 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 22:43:43 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 22:52:47 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:53:35 *offby1* seeks chocolate cake 22:54:44 mmm 22:55:08 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-122.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:55:22 There's a trend in there somewhere. 22:58:21 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-31-44.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 22:59:43 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-216-207.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:02:27 airbrush [n=user@cpe-075-177-013-097.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:04:40 hello 23:04:45 hello 23:06:22 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 23:06:48 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFDFB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 23:11:49 -!- dysinger [n=tim@64.40.56.45] has quit [] 23:12:29 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-122.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:12:56 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-122.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:13:42 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:14:25 /part 23:14:40 /sorrow 23:14:51 zabenski! 23:15:29 -!- airbrush [n=user@cpe-075-177-013-097.triad.res.rr.com] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:18:11 Are there any docs on standard scheme naming conventions? 23:18:37 esp in regard of records? 23:23:21 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:00 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-122.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:32:35 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [No route to host] 23:37:42 dysinger [n=tim@64.65.187.250] has joined #scheme 23:40:39 Arelius: I don't know of any docs, but most of the record systems have a default naming convention that is documented and fairly similar between systems. 23:42:38 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 23:47:21 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:53:19 -!- elfor_ [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [] 23:54:57 jao [n=jao@189.Red-79-155-245.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:55:51 -!- saccade [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-74-28.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:56:10 mostly thinking about properlly using srfi-9 and the like