00:02:57 synx: I mentally expand lets into lambdas anyway, just like a good macro expander should. :-P 00:03:52 That's not to say that I don't find named-let forms handy, just that it's important to remember what it does eventually become. 00:04:03 Hmm i just thought of something.. I've already created a zip method that does the opposite.. is it possible to create a generic operation that simply reverses another operation? 00:04:31 illio: Some operations have hard-to-calculate inverses. That's how, say, public-key cryptography works. :-P 00:04:49 so that if zip takes two lists like (2 3) (4 5) and outputs (2 . 4) (3 . 5) .. can you do the opposite easily? 00:05:00 *cky* deliberately twisted illio's question, yes. :-P 00:05:10 cky, sure sure.. but for simple operations :-P 00:05:39 illio: :-P 00:05:53 I can't seem to get this procedure right.. so that kind of solution would save quite a lot of trouble.. however I have no idea if it's possible to do 00:06:33 I have a "stupid" solution to that, using fold-right. 00:06:44 I have no idea what a smart solution would look like. 00:06:50 cky, fold-right? 00:07:17 specbot: srfi-1 fold-right 00:07:22 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07:30 Hmm, maybe I'm not invoking specbot the right way. :-P 00:07:33 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 00:07:50 specbot: srfi1 fold-right 00:07:55 specbot: fold-right 00:08:05 Hmm. What if I don't address specbot.... 00:08:09 srfi-1 fold-right 00:08:14 Eh, I give up. 00:08:26 hehe.. I'll check google 00:08:31 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-1/srfi-1.html#fold-right 00:08:40 There, manually linked it myself. :-) 00:10:22 Guile's documentation for the fold operators is arguably easier to digest: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/SRFI_002d1-Fold-and-Map.html 00:10:26 -rudybot__:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/cfgl7g 00:11:29 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-196.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:14:05 cky: It takes at least two lambdas to form one let though. Plus they have to be out of sequential order. 00:14:42 synx: Yep, which is why I prefer to use named-let when I can. 00:15:17 recursion with lambdas produces some crazy looking code. 00:16:19 Yeah, I reckon! 00:16:52 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:17:19 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@cl-88.cph-01.dk.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:19:27 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-12.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:22:08 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEA84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:23:12 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:23:49 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has quit [] 00:25:56 decaf [i=58e84877@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-158cac8439b5d1ee] has joined #scheme 00:26:34 hi. is there a way to make cursor stop blinking in drscheme? 00:29:27 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 00:33:13 what is the difference between eq? and equal? 00:34:16 EQ? is finer-grained. For further details, see 00:34:21 r5rs eq? 00:34:22 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_216 00:34:24 -rudybot__:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/6hr3jb 00:34:53 three bots? 00:34:57 sanguinev [n=sanguine@116.197.145.49] has joined #scheme 00:35:02 -!- nerdvelis is now known as Jarvellis 00:35:33 the bots would take over, but they are not very smart 00:38:47 I simply can't seem to find a solution that works.. I've tried taking a look at let and fiddling with it.. haven't gotten anything yet.. anyone have any ideas? I basically need to manage two lists at once I guess?.. 00:39:19 I could do it for you illio. But yes, you need two lists at once. Three lists actually, the source list and the two result lists. 00:39:31 oh yeah.. if anyone forgot (or came in since then).. here's what I'm talking about: I need to create a simple procedure unzip as shown here: http://pastebin.com/d52f522ee .. what I have right now is this: http://pastebin.com/d665d451b .. I'm probably doing something simple wrong.. petite is telling me: "Error: attempt to apply non-procedure (2)." 00:39:53 synx, is there any way to do that without let? can't get it to work :-( 00:40:09 Why do you have (( in there? ((list I mean 00:40:38 You want to do it without let, illio? It's harder to understand that way. 00:42:10 synx, well in a way yeah.. because following the book I'm doing right now.. the let part hasn't actually been used in any real useful way yet.. so it's fairly obvious that the authors had other methods in mind.. I'm just afraid I won't be able to understand the let way right now anyway.. 00:44:13 does your book have "lambda" yet? 00:44:13 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:45:04 neilv, year 00:45:06 *yeah 00:45:31 you can think of "let" as applying a procedure 00:45:50 neilv, okay.. 00:49:02 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-243-83-182.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 00:50:19 neilv pasted "equivalent" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79618 00:51:44 though that's a roundabout way of getting back to your problem. you want recursive procedures 00:53:42 let is applying a procedure, but named let is applying a procedure with itself as an argument. I've always found that tricky to work out on paper. 00:55:46 named-let is very simple, once let is understood. reducing it to applications of closures obscures its practical meaning, imho 00:57:42 -!- kspaans [i=kspaans@artificial-flavours.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has left #scheme 00:57:59 thanks for your help.. but I can't wrap my head around more today (it's 3 am) .. so I'll sleep now.. I'll take it up tomorrow again 00:58:17 I probably just don't understand let then, in terms of lambda... 00:58:28 illio: no problem. come again! 00:58:36 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-93-135-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:59:30 understanding named-let in terms of let is useful 01:00:04 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-203-165.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:00:07 To me, (let named ((foo 1) (bar 2) (baz 3)) (...)) => (let ((named (lambda (foo bar baz) (...)))) (named 1 2 3)) 01:00:21 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-243-83-182.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:00:29 So, yes there is a let in the expansion as I had it, but obviously expanding _that_ let to a lambda is trivial. :-) 01:02:19 synx pasted "named let?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79620 01:02:23 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 01:04:24 cky annotated #79620 "This is how I expand it" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79620#1 01:05:43 dfeuer [n=dfeuer@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 01:05:44 -!- subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:06:41 So I was wrong, I ended up turning the thing into a letrec instead of a let (and I'm not sure whether letrec is a "primitive" in Scheme, or whether there's a practical way to expand that). 01:08:12 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:08:16 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 01:09:38 -!- decaf [i=58e84877@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-158cac8439b5d1ee] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 01:10:27 synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has joined #scheme 01:11:08 heh well letrec is kind of cheating, but it's still at least factoring out the 'n' 01:12:09 Would using the Y combinator be considered cheating? :-P 01:12:19 cheating is cheating 01:12:56 geckosenator: ???? 01:13:11 geckosenator: I take it you don't approve of using _any_ recursion in the expansion, then. 01:14:40 The Y combinator is not cheating, but it's still beyond my ability to use. 01:15:13 You're trying to implement named let using lambda, which arguably doesn't say a thing about which one is better. 01:15:26 no wait 01:15:27 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-203-165.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:15:29 I use recursion 01:15:52 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-203-165.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:55 cky: geckosenator was saying (if (cheating) (cheating) #t) 01:17:01 or... something like that... (define cheating (if (cheat...bleh 01:19:20 *lol* 01:19:47 synx: Eh, I think I'll stick to the named lets, huh. :-P 01:19:58 likewise 01:22:31 *cky* Googles "macroexpand letrec" to see if there are any smart geniuses who have a "neat" way to do this. 01:23:02 yay geniii 01:23:54 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:24:16 geniii? Is that a result you found on Google? 01:24:24 Oh, plural of genius. 01:24:26 :-P 01:24:31 No it's a..yeah 01:24:41 stupid, I know. x3 01:24:55 :-P 01:26:45 -!- underspecified__ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:38:09 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-73-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 01:40:46 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-74-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:40:57 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-26-14.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 01:54:25 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:54:58 elias` [n=me@resnet-nat-524.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 01:55:05 forseti990 [n=forseti9@adsl-99-131-41-164.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:56:21 -!- forseti990 [n=forseti9@adsl-99-131-41-164.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 01:59:11 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:07:51 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:14:05 masm [n=masm@238.5.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 02:14:27 http://mokehehe.blogspot.com/2009/04/picture-language-on-biwascheme.html 02:15:21 foof: what's up in Japan? 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03:38:46 slatex does that fairly well 03:41:01 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit ["quit"] 03:43:26 aspect: Does that output TeX or LaTeX? 03:43:44 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:45:00 offby1 [n=fircuser@m7c0e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 03:45:50 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Client Quit] 03:46:04 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:46:26 -!- bombshelter13p [n=bombshel@24.114.232.32] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:47:01 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Client Quit] 03:47:06 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-203-165.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:47:14 bombshelter13p [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:49:02 -!- bombshelter13p [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Client Quit] 03:49:15 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:50:36 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Client Quit] 03:50:50 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:51:14 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:52:01 arcfide: LaTeX; I don't know about getting pure TeX 03:53:00 -!- offby1 [n=fircuser@m7c0e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:53:30 Guess I'll just have to write my own. :-) 03:53:37 arcfide: Why do you need a pretty printer that outputs tex? 03:53:52 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:53:53 That is, why not use an existing pretty printer? 03:53:55 eli: just playing around. I was hoping to have it already done for me. 03:54:23 eli: Do you have a pretty printer that will result in code nicely formatted that can be dropped into TeX easily? 03:54:36 I'm looking for more than the standard indentation prettying. 03:54:37 Well, the only la/tex that you need is the ability to produce a number of spaces to have the indentation right. 03:54:53 Things like highlighting the proper lexical values uniquely, along with known Scheme tokens, &c. 03:54:53 What's the "more" part? 03:55:38 Sort of getting Syntax Highlighting in a form that I could use for printed output. 03:56:08 Since I am using TeX in this instance, I would like to get the output in that form, but of course, I'm not attached to that if I can get it to that form eventually. 03:56:15 OK, so you're talking about indentation and colors -- ? 03:56:25 -!- bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has quit [Client Quit] 03:56:37 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-67-67-223-15.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:56:42 bombshelter13p_ [n=bombshel@24.114.232.33] has joined #scheme 03:56:53 eli: Fonts really, maybe evening swapping out LAMBDA with a real Greek Symbol, or other greek names likewise. 03:57:33 Those are all doable within latex. 03:57:55 I want it to identify the different parts of the code in certain ways so that I can then use my own styles to pretty print the code and such. 03:57:59 eli: Of course they are doable. I was wondering if someone had already done it. 03:58:01 Something like a command that is used around symbols to set the style, which you can independently redefine, etc. 03:58:11 eli: And I am using eplain + some other macros, not LaTeX. 03:58:18 Yes. 03:58:21 Why not latex? 03:58:33 eli: Call me weird. I don't like messing with LaTeX's formatting. 03:58:46 eli: I prefer to have more control over exactly how I want everything to look. 03:59:11 And it is easier for me to do that in regular TeX than messing with LaTeX. That may also be because I learned TeX first. 03:59:26 You still get that with latex, the delta between them is pretty small when it comes to generating the code. 03:59:46 Anyways, I don't want the result in LaTeX, so, if there is something else out there, I'll use it, otherwise, I'll do it myself. 04:00:12 In any case, you can see how the plt scribble tool generates latex, though it does much more than just formatting code. 04:00:15 If the LaTeX generaters are easy enough to work with, I'll use them. 04:03:23 require: PLaneT could not find the requested package: Server had no matching package: No package matched the specified criteria 04:03:34 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-70-240-14-51.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:03:57 in scribble, how do i typeset a "#lang" line? putting it in "@verbatim" isn't working 04:04:18 and also, that error message doesn't indicate which part of the file is the problem 04:04:53 ah, "@hashlang" ? 04:06:15 msingh [n=user@203.171.123.8.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has joined #scheme 04:06:16 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:06:45 neilv: probably, and I don't know about the planet errors... 04:07:15 @verbatim["#lang ...\n"] works 04:07:34 can i get a hint on implementing COND for the original lisp -- im stuck on evaluating the predicates. do i call eval and if so, i need to get a hold of the environment, right? 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06:30:40 yes! 06:30:42 thank you 06:31:00 anybody know how to do this well :) 06:31:06 i want to make some graphicxxxx 06:32:00 neilv: ping 06:32:21 i know FP and all 06:32:28 just not so familiar with the graphics bit of it 06:33:27 hi eli 06:34:27 neilv: With a quick grep I think I know where the problem is. 06:35:03 neilv: Will you be able to test a patch? 06:35:31 not right now. i'm deep into debugging something, plus i do not have a patchable tree right now 06:35:36 thanks, but sorry 06:35:56 neilv: ok 06:38:16 i'm trying to figure out how to get syntax/module-reader to work in a planet package 06:40:23 neilv: I committed the probable fix, see the email. 06:40:31 neilv: Why do you need a new reader? 06:40:45 thanks 06:41:05 this is for the sicp language 06:41:30 even what dherman is doing here doesn't look right. http://planet.plt-scheme.org/package-source/dherman/javascript.plt/9/1/lang/reader.ss 06:41:33 -rudybot__:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/d43jtj 06:41:52 Yes, but why exactly? (IOW, I guessed that you're not writing a completely new syntax, so the question is what is the difference from the standard reader that you want to get) 06:42:19 -!- asdgasd [n=asdgas@syru217-119.syr.edu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:42:49 mostly just making mutable pairs print the expected way. little things like that 06:43:33 You mean print or read? 06:43:53 er, read 06:44:41 i kludged this a while ago. just now trying to package it up so people can test it 06:44:58 If you want quote in the language to create mutable pairs, then it'll be easier to just define a quote macro (etc), no? 06:46:00 at this time, i just want the code that was working as a locally-installed collection to work when a planet package 06:46:07 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-200-72-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 06:46:20 this one-hour packaging project has turned into a person-day 06:46:38 Ah, so the problem is not in writing the reader, it is making it work with planet? 06:48:07 yes. i think i will try doing what dherman is doing here with #:language 06:49:23 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-231-13.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 06:49:36 mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 06:50:18 neilv: ok, I see the problem, and what he's doing looks sensible. 06:50:26 even though I didn't think of that as a use case... 06:50:46 i wonder whether i can use a relative file path 06:51:12 That won't work right, I think. 06:51:40 IIRC, it will insert the sexpr there as is. 06:51:41 nope, doesn't 06:51:49 It doesn't what? 06:51:54 open-input-file: cannot open input file: "/home/main.ss" (No such file or directory; errno=2) 06:51:54 . Module Language: invalid language specification in: "../main.ss" 06:52:14 You mean it doesn't work? Yes, that's not surprising. 06:52:43 it is interpreting it as a filename relative to the current directory for drscheme, rather than as a require module-spec 06:53:14 To make it work, mzscheme will have to somehow figure out that (module foo "blah.ss" ...) should use the "blah.ss" relative to the source of the string itself. 06:53:47 it works for "require". why not here? 06:54:14 similarly, (file "../main.ss") does not work 06:54:24 -!- rmrfchik [n=paul@62.117.74.154] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:54:31 I suspect that it doesn't work for require, but you're seeing the effect of a `require' form from a different context or something like that. 06:55:17 i do (require "foo.ss") all the time, to mean the module in "foo.ss" in the same directory as the file in which the "require" form occurs 06:56:35 Right, but that's a use of `require' that uses a string that is relative to its own source file -- and that works just fine. 06:56:39 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Success] 06:57:15 What you're describing would be like writing some macro that expands to (require "foo.ss"), where "foo.ss" is relative to the macro source rather than the macro use. 06:57:54 (And that should work, btw, because there's a whole form there that determines the source context for resolving the relative filename.) 06:57:58 do i have any option other than doing what dherman is doing with a (planet ...)? 06:58:25 ASau` [n=user@77.246.230.239] has joined #scheme 06:58:36 I'm not sure about that -- asking on the mailing list would be much more effective. 06:59:10 But it's worth it to look at the archives -- it's likely that Dave asked about it. 06:59:19 ... or just mail and ask him. 06:59:24 this will teach me to commit to projects that are low-priority for me, but that i think i can whip off quickly to help someone else 06:59:53 it's 3am, and i want this done, so that i can do real stuff tomorrow 07:00:09 neilv: any chance on removing object from the list of blank elements in htmlprag, by the way? 07:00:11 *cough*make-list*cough* 07:01:00 klutometis: yes, in the successor to htmlprag 07:01:36 htmlprag itself is probably frozen. i have a pile of new libraries and a new sxml/sexpr variant to unify everything for xml and html 07:01:45 neilv: oh, nice; does it have a name? 07:01:58 html-read :) 07:02:21 looking forward to it; do ping when it's usable 07:02:35 there will be announcements. it will all be for plt first 07:03:13 eli: you are getting paid. albeit at academic rather than industry levels :) 07:04:52 neilv: Well, what I'm paid for (and whether srfi-1 trivia is included) is questionable... 07:05:02 -!- copumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has quit [] 07:05:17 that's the nature of academic jobs 07:05:45 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0558AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 07:10:33 bah. a planet install of dherman/javascript barfed due to memory limit 07:16:40 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 07:20:45 i got that to 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I can't remember the keyword to use though. :-) 17:10:04 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-214-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:15:15 dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-214-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 17:22:51 choas [n=lars@p5B0DDAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:23:34 -!- Modius__ [n=Modius@99.179.100.250] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:27:32 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-69-148-18-33.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:28:19 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:28:32 wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:32:36 jc_ [n=jc@78.149.104.85] has joined #scheme 17:33:43 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-69-148-18-33.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:34:10 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-69-148-18-33.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:40:45 incubot: We must reinvest continuously to keep up with the methods that are used by those who threaten the UK and its interests. 17:40:48 can you define `file-based' versus `image-based', in any terms other than `the mode of operation is a Unixoid command repeatedly invoked with different options, versus having a continuously running process by which one interacts with Scheme'? 17:44:01 incubot: does torturing a poor luser with things beyond its comprehension please you? 17:44:04 but in light of this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/wis.html i see fonc struggling with "major" challenge which will be inevitable squandered by luser programmers like moi ;} 17:44:44 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93-80-214-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46:21 incubot: It is 30 years since Margaret Thatcher took up residence in Downing Street and became the UK's first female prime minister. 17:46:25 i wake up drunk all the time. means i have a few hours before i get a hang over, so i can start downing water 17:49:21 -!- jc [n=jc@78.149.104.85] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:55:09 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-73-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:55:37 Riastradh, ping. I made changes to the make-liarc.sh and other changes (suggested by you) and could successfully build the portable C sources using 'make -j2' . I am interested to work on the fix. Wondering what the ideal solution would be.. 17:56:01 Riastradh, mit-scheme Bug: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?24338 18:06:46 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:08:01 cornucopic: how big is the patch? 18:09:35 -!- aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:09:46 mejja, for the single case that I tried, its a total of 6 lines :(. But, I would like to work on it more to move towards the complete solution, which I would like to get an opinion on.. I can kick-start a discussion on the devel alias.. 18:12:23 can you paste it? 18:12:59 mejja, Ok. Its against the portable C sources 20090107..fine ? 18:13:12 sure... 18:13:49 wait while I diff.. 18:14:15 http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme 18:18:13 lol, i just found a funny bug in IronScheme that I never picked up in all this time (list (vector 1 2)) => (1 2) 18:19:48 is that a bug? 18:20:04 it's a feature! 18:20:12 -!- barney [n=bernhard@p549A0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:20:14 rudybot__: eval (list (vector 1 2)) 18:20:15 leppie: your sandbox is ready 18:20:15 leppie: ; Value: (#(1 2)) 18:20:30 hint: I use vectors for varargs :) 18:20:40 and stuff like (apply list '(1 2 3)) actually copies the list 18:22:19 bug fixed :) 18:23:41 leppie: really ? 18:23:58 why would you do that 18:24:35 i strive NOT to be like you :) 18:26:43 cornucopic pasted "patches for mit-scheme-24338" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79645 18:27:21 mejja, I have pasted the individual file patches ^ 18:27:31 thank you 18:27:31 mejja, I hope you can use it .. 18:28:53 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-197-217.rdns.as8401.net] has joined #scheme 18:30:20 wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:30:21 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:30:26 leppie, that was it? 18:34:01 leppie, that was it? 18:34:55 nah, just my unstoppable will to fix bugs 18:35:29 leppie, no clue what you're talking about actually. What I'm wondering is if you've got anything more to say than some vague insult 18:36:57 sorry, i thought your rhetorical question was an attempt at 'humour' 18:37:05 no 18:38:46 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:38:57 foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 18:41:20 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 18:42:47 mejja, Could you try the patches? 18:46:59 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:49:15 sylarr [n=sylar@bzq-79-183-99-251.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 18:50:01 Riastradh: I've written (or rather am writing) a Mime-Type parser using parscheme; would you care to take a quick look for obvious mistakes or mis-usage of parscheme? 18:50:43 jao [n=jao@192.Red-83-37-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:50:58 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176214241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:58:56 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 19:03:12 saccade [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:07:53 -!- mmc [n=mima@esprx01x.nokia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:12:09 jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 19:12:14 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 19:13:45 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:16:02 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 19:18:34 -!- ejs [n=eugen@216-239-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:23:40 ejs [n=eugen@235-154-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 19:25:48 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0558AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:26:55 bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has joined #scheme 19:26:56 join #c++ 19:27:07 whoops 19:27:08 bombshelter13_: fail 19:27:12 yep 19:27:46 -!- sylarr is now known as MrSpok 19:28:39 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:03 -!- MrSpok is now known as sylarr 19:30:53 bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has joined #scheme 19:34:14 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 19:35:45 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [] 19:35:50 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@115.241.147.190] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:35:58 bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has joined #scheme 19:37:00 -!- jao [n=jao@192.Red-83-37-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:39:19 -!- proq is now known as proqesi 19:40:53 tjafk [n=timj@e176214241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 19:46:44 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47:58 attila_lendvai [n=ati@www.netvisor.hu] has joined #scheme 19:56:36 sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-74-145.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:59:34 proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has joined #scheme 20:04:42 -!- proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07:08 -!- ejs [n=eugen@235-154-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:10:54 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 20:13:52 ejs [n=eugen@235-154-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 20:19:48 -!- melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [] 20:22:40 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:24:40 melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 20:31:11 klutometis: At least it didn't say "join #php". :-P 20:31:24 C++ is worse than PHP 20:31:40 vixey: It is? How is that even possible? :-P 20:32:43 everyone writing PHP knows how bad it is, but there are people that use C++ and actually like it 20:33:00 vixey: I know people who think PHP is just peachy 20:33:17 I'm ashamed to know them :) 20:39:32 cky: yeah; php knows itself (gnothi seauton) as a serf-language; but c++ still has visions of lordship and liberty 20:42:19 although php had a sparticus-moment recently when they decided to half-ass closures 20:43:26 that means we must have reached the Third Servile War of languages, at this point 20:43:52 -!- ejs [n=eugen@235-154-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:44:31 In 40 years, everyone will have first-class continuations! 20:44:37 heh 20:44:47 a-s [n=user@92.80.117.81] has joined #scheme 20:45:17 Heh, I see in the last two years quite a handful of languages have undergone Spartacus moments too. :-P 20:47:59 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:50:02 -!- jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:50:12 foof: http://synthcode.com/scheme/ -> Proxy Error 20:55:18 rotty: [22:05] * foof needs to go to sleep before Mr. Sun comes up 20:55:48 ... hehe and my local time is now [23:02] 20:55:52 jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 20:59:54 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@www.netvisor.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:02:27 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 21:04:33 anybody got a mirror of the irregex docs? 21:05:36 Would you here-be'ers recommend some literature to get more into Lisp/Scheme way of thinking? I'm constantly trying to implement solutions I did in Perl directly in Scheme. I often feel there *is* a lispier way. 21:06:00 *rotty* takes a note to mirror the irregex and fmt docs as soon as synthcode.com is up again 21:06:01 m811: The Little Schemer & SICP? 21:06:02 rotty: http://synthcode.com/scheme/irregex/ opens fine, too. 21:06:21 rotty: sorry, my cache was working fine. :P 21:06:24 m811: TSPL 21:06:24 m811: also The Seasoned Schemer 21:06:34 -!- proqesi [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:06:45 rotty: Give Google's buffer a try. 21:06:52 m811: good idea 21:07:17 I'm reading TSPL (which I assume means The Scheme Programming Language) 21:07:34 TSPL, a fine introduction, is far from a practical book IMO. 21:08:24 Practical Common Lisp is good as well if you're going for lisp-ish related books 21:08:54 Cool. I've read the first 30 pages of that. By Paul Graham if I remember correctly. 21:09:19 Though CL seemed often so different from Scheme. More complex. :-P 21:09:50 speaking of google, anybody also annoyed about Google Groups not being served via NNTP? I'm just hacking up a summary-mail splitter so I can read them at least half-way decently. 21:09:55 Thanks for the suggestions. 21:10:58 m811: nah PCL is Peter Siebel :) 21:11:46 m811: and yes, CL is more complicated. 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Google should disguise their embedded ads by actually posting them to the newsgroup. What nonsense a newsgroup website! 22:38:00 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.220.139] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:39:10 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:44:55 -!- dlt_ [n=dlt@201.80.181.75] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:51:23 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:53:40 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-202-230.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:55:19 -!- vixey [n=e@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:56:08 -!- jlongster [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:59:02 -!- Elly [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has quit ["leaving"] 23:00:39 Elly [n=elly@unaffiliated/elly] has joined #scheme 23:02:46 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 23:04:58 -!- jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:07:24 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:08:14 brandelune [n=suzume@pl428.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:20:26 am I a bad person for making heavy use of unicode for scheme? 23:20:55 (unicode source code, I mean - ( (x) ...) instead of (lambda (x) ...)) 23:21:18 It's cool, and should be encouraged in my opinion. 23:21:32 In fact, you should use special Unicode symbols for ..., =>, etc. :-) 23:21:55 *Elly* is about to define  to be implicitly single-argument and  to be multi-argument *shifty eyes* 23:23:27 Now *that* is evil. 23:24:00 can you use the lambda symbol? 23:24:01 really? 23:24:06 geckosenator: yes 23:24:09 geckosenator: I know in DrScheme you can. 23:24:09 great 23:24:13 PLT scheme treats it the same as lambda 23:24:13 Other implementations vary. 23:26:34 hmm! 23:26:42 then I can remove the parenthesization around lambdas altogether 23:26:56 and write ( x  (+ x 1)) 23:26:59 haskell-style :P 23:27:37 -!- bweaver [n=user@75-148-111-133-Chattanooga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:28:14 -!- rudybot__ is now known as rudybot 23:28:58 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 23:29:27 What's the arrow for? 23:29:38 the arrow would separate the args from the body 23:29:51 like how haskell's lambda form is \x y z -> x + y + z 23:29:53 rudybot: eval (( (x) (* 3 x)) 10) 23:29:55 *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready 23:29:55 *offby1: ; Value: 30 23:30:04 although that makes it kind of infix, which is a bit ugly 23:30:14 Right, so it's special syntax that allows, really, multi argument if you want, so you don't need the lower-case vs upper-case versions. 23:30:23 yeah 23:30:31 I mean, before I used to define L and L* 23:30:42 I guess I could have  and * :) 23:30:48 Hahahaha. 23:32:48 *Elly* contemplates 23:32:56 it turns out I'm pretty lazy :P 23:33:34 ...because you prefer the syntax to the brackets? :-P 23:33:49 I don't like typing parentheses :) 23:33:50 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:33:55 Heh. 23:34:08 *Elly* binds C-k l to insert the text "lambda" 23:36:14 *Elly* ponders how to implement the  from above 23:37:08 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@217.255.241.194] has quit ["Gone."] 23:40:03 Poorly! 23:41:09 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl428.nas932.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 23:41:09 well, of course :P 23:41:31 its behavior is something like "parenthesize the things on the left and right of you, except for the first token of the left side" 23:42:16 -!- bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:43:04 bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-129-241.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:45:28 ah well 23:45:46 ( (x) (+ x 1)) is still substantially shorter :) 23:45:58 it's C-j l in my vim 23:48:29 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection]