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00:25:47 incubot: is that in sweden? 00:25:50 I'm in Sweden 00:25:58 ok 00:26:13 mejja: must really get your minerals living that close to the metal 00:26:26 incubot: or, you can cook with an iron skillet 00:26:29 the best pork chop I've ever eaten was from a restaurant that claimed they hadn't washed the cast-iron skillet (in which it was cooked) for _one hundred years_. 00:26:37 heh 00:28:42 incubot: i could go for a steak 00:28:45 actually I think i could be very nice, if only... 00:29:11 nor > swe 00:29:24 :) 00:29:44 incubot: if only you weren't such a misanthrope? 00:29:47 But then, people writing downloading protocols weren't rookies. 00:32:06 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:34:33 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:46 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@sccc-66-78-236-243.smartcity.com] has joined #scheme 00:38:50 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:38:54 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:38:59 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:42:23 I need everyone's opinion: 00:42:30 00:43:00 Just go to Browse -> System -> Malloc and let me know what you think should be on the short listing that's currently in the main listing. 00:43:17 Other opinions are welcome. 00:44:59 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-236-161.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:45:31 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-236-161.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:48:59 -!- melgray [n=melgray@70.99.250.82] has quit [] 00:49:21 -!- Deformatim is now known as Deformati 00:54:35 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 00:56:24 SugarGlider [n=stevie@dyn-203-143-164-139.qrl.nicta.com.au] has joined #scheme 00:56:45 i really wish i knew why the plt manual search doesn't cache the index for me. it locks up my browser for like 15 seconds each time 00:57:01 unfortunately, this only bothers me when i'm in the middle of some other task 01:01:32 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@sccc-66-78-236-243.smartcity.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:03:57 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-163-93.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:04:23 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:06:34 wossname [n=wossname@bas1-toronto35-1279336472.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 01:08:02 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 01:11:08 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:41 -!- incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:19:43 incubot [i=incubot@klutometis.wikitex.org] has joined #scheme 01:21:15 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:22:04 -!- bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:24:06 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.164.145] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24:34 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:24:51 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 01:30:59 dsmith [n=dsmith@cpe-173-88-196-177.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:38:21 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:38:50 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:47:44 arcfide: ping 01:47:49 eli: What's up? 01:48:08 arcfide: You had the only "real" objection to an exam on computers, 01:48:22 I did? 01:48:31 Cool, I guess. :-) 01:48:35 Yeah, being bothered by clicking noises. 01:48:44 Did you try it out? 01:49:01 Anyway, now that I'm after the whole thing + grading it, I can say that the clicking problem didn't bother anyone, and grading it was *much* faster, and many trees were saved. 01:49:11 Hehehe. 01:49:13 Alright. 01:49:39 Likewise, do you have any recommendations for Descot? 01:55:04 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:55:08 -!- cipher [n=cipher@pool-173-48-136-239.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:56:56 arcfide: No, end-of-semester, I'm not breathing still. 01:59:28 Neither am I. Descot is one of my projects. :-P 01:59:29 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@18.188.70.132] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:07:36 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:08:31 -!- synthase [n=synthase@68.63.19.212] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:09:18 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:09:34 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:16:43 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 02:25:24 -!- luz [n=davids@189.122.121.232] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:27:42 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@189.100.201.198] has quit [] 02:33:35 -!- maskd [n=maskd@unaffiliated/maskd] has quit [":"] 02:36:09 when you hold me... in your arms so tiiight 02:36:21 god I love scrollback 02:36:29 lesse if I can dig up the exact clip 02:37:51 geckosenator [n=sean@c-71-237-94-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:51:38 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176220206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 02:56:39 god I love vanilla ice cream with cocoa powder mixed in 03:01:14 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:07:49 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176204137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:14:21 nnnope. somewhere amidst azumanga die-oh though is a clip that finally made that song funny. 03:19:48 mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-75.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #scheme 03:23:32 -!- acarrico [n=acarrico@pppoe-68-142-49-77.gmavt.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:31:08 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:31:21 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 03:33:29 -!- disappearedng [n=disappea@th236048.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:35:27 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:36:01 *jcowan* unvanishes. 03:38:21 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 03:38:58 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:40:06 offby1: no you dont 03:40:20 SandGorgon [n=user@122.163.196.186] has joined #scheme 03:40:36 *morphir* uses his jedi skills on offby1 03:44:38 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:45:00 *jcowan* uses his munging skills on morphir 03:45:55 -!- LobsterMan_AFK is now known as LobsterMan 03:46:44 jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 03:47:03 Scheme doesn't have a numeric-not-equal-to function, but if it did, what would it be called? 03:47:53 <> or != 03:48:18 hmmm... not <>, complex numbers aren't ordered 03:48:44 Yeah. 03:48:47 But ! is not not. 03:48:51 in Scheme, anyhow 03:49:00 not-= 03:49:01 :-P 03:49:07 != is mutate to make numerically equal 03:49:42  03:49:52 That would be ideal, yes. 03:49:58 or simulate in ascii with /= 03:49:59 Would /= be too politically incorrect? 03:50:04 :) 03:50:12 anyone played with flaxus (live music coding in scheme)? 03:50:23 Awright, /= it is. 03:50:27 this seems like the first real use of scheme to pick up girls 03:51:05 Unless the girls are schemers, I suppose. 03:51:12 even better then 03:51:22 pawfal.org/fluxus 03:51:41 pity it's based on plt scheme 03:51:46 rather than my favorite scheme diestro :-( 03:51:58 Which is what? 03:52:41 either gambit or chicken 03:52:48 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:52:50 http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7801d475c0.png 03:52:50 depending on my mood 03:53:05 chicken if you're feeling frisky? 03:53:56 chicken if I'm pissed off at gambit 03:53:58 gambit if it's working well 03:54:07 i.e. wife : mistress :: gambit : chicken 03:54:12 anyone know how to get rlwrap to *stop* changing LF to CRLF on output? 03:54:32 that bothers me too 03:55:33 *jcowan* is no longer an "ex" troglodyte, btw 03:55:38 it's breaking my `csi -script` output, as csi is aliased to `rlwrap csi` 03:55:42 I have now modernized myself 03:55:53 ed, man 03:56:02 No, I am now using 'rlwrap ex' 03:56:06 nice 03:56:17 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has left #scheme 03:56:48 ... doesn't that insert spurious CRs, though? 03:56:58 Seemingly not. 03:57:58 there's a --multi-line[=newline substitute] but maybe that's for input? 03:58:12 i believe so -- it's the continuation character 03:58:38 What would you call a version of 'case' that evaluated the datums in the case clauses? 03:58:45 case* 03:58:54 neilv: You can do that with rudybot too. Saves on screenshots. 03:59:02 Too old-school, zbigniew. 03:59:27 Maybe cond=. 03:59:28 case/evaluate-datums-in-clauses 03:59:34 Puke. 03:59:54 case/evaluate-datums-in-clauses/huurghh 04:00:00 I call it case-eval 04:00:02 Did anyone notice the new google search options? 04:00:19 i don't use google's homepage 04:00:29 Nor I. 04:00:43 Did anyone who uses google for searching notice the new google search options? 04:00:55 I didn't say I don't use Google 04:01:13 *jcowan* didn't notice them either 04:01:24 I just search from the location bar with the keyword 'g' 04:01:30 In short, no 04:01:30 So, what options? 04:01:43 I'm not talking about the igoogle thing, in case that what you (zbigniew, foof) mean by "homepage". 04:02:08 I assume you mean "google.com" 04:02:23 When you do any search, there's a "show options" thing at the top which can customize the display of the results. 04:02:39 I mean http://www.google.com/search?&q= 04:03:23 I don't see any "show options" link, but I am inside 04:03:35 Oh, I see--I don't see any show options link either 04:03:48 nope 04:03:58 But google never looks the same twice 04:04:00 Hmm. Must be related to the google desktop or something. 04:04:11 Could be 04:04:25 Or you might have a Firefox plugin or Greasemonkey script you've forgotten about. 04:04:26 Or the google FF toolbar thing. 04:04:58 No, I don't have the google tweaker thing (couldn't find it last time I setup this thing). 04:05:10 Occasionally I get a notice saying 'Customized based on recent search activity.' and there's the odd SearchWiki stuff, but that's it 04:05:26 I also have a *really* annoying "compare on ebay" thing. 04:05:51 At work I use the "search on other search engines" plugin 04:06:16 I like to show it to people and say "Aren't we un-evil? We even let you search on our competitors with one click?" 04:06:52 I use to have some plugin that hides sponsored links and sich. I can't remember its name though. 04:07:00 (Which is why I don't install it.) 04:07:06 s/don't/didn't/ 04:07:32 eli, are you using firefox? 04:08:12 Yes. 04:08:47 Perhaps you have the 'Browser Highlighter' plugin installed 04:08:48 That's what I see: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x.png 04:08:50 http://pages.browserhighlighter.com/faqs.html 04:09:32 Ah, that sounds right. 04:10:03 in a remarkable example of closure, I found it by googling 'compare on ebay' 04:10:36 I'm going with cond/= 04:10:54 Heh, and I tried to google earlier for "google ebay" wondering if the first bought the second. 04:11:00 heh 04:11:01 cond/eqv would be more accurate, but also more verbose 04:11:08 *jcowan* laughs. 04:11:25 Now there's an idea. 04:11:42 -!- mokogobo [n=mokogobo@pcp075595pcs.unl.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:11:44 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:11:55 You mean for google to buy ebay? 04:11:58 Yes. 04:12:18 Upcoming mergers are one of the things that even Googlers aren't told about until they are 90% done 04:12:39 (I take it that you work there?) 04:12:53 Yes. 04:13:06 But not in the buying-other-companies department... 04:13:11 Hardly. 04:13:14 Google Data APIs. 04:13:34 http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/ 04:13:46 Ah, new source to bug when I have questions... 04:13:56 I'm the liaison-with-internal-teams guy, but yes, you can bug me. 04:14:21 And if you want to know anything about HTTP etags, I am also your guy 04:14:28 Just recently I played with some APIs and was impressed at how easy it is to hook up stuffs. 04:15:21 But none of the "Atom" stuff -- I still don't get it. 04:15:28 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 04:16:23 jcowan: if you're going to do cond/= or cond/eqv? you might as well specify the predicate as an argument 04:16:39 -!- wossname [n=wossname@bas1-toronto35-1279336472.dsl.bell.ca] has quit ["cloujaxsonuery2.0"] 04:16:47 I don't have that option in this context, but I agree in general 04:18:47 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:19:06 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:19:18 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #scheme 04:22:33 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bailing out"] 04:23:35 one could, given our earlier discussion, read cond/= as cond :) 04:23:42 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:24:14 As I was saying 04:24:25 ISLisp has case-using, which lets you apply a function to the key before matching 04:24:46 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:26:13 melgray [n=melgray@pool-71-121-210-139.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:26:14 *zbigniew* decides to procrastinate on resume updating (using csi) by first examining the code to rlwrap (used by csi) 04:26:39 Annoying "browser highlighter (and advertise ebay on the way)" plugin uninstalled. 04:26:51 "Show options" thing still there. 04:27:38 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:28:00 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:28:51 -!- kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:30:34 lowlycoder: I could never take seriously something whose name is one letter removed from "flatus" 04:31:27 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:32:54 incubot: how about two, like foetus 04:32:58 What is not POSIX about GNU tar? 04:34:01 incubot: everything 04:34:03 OO works best when everything follows the same design, same standard set of methods 04:36:03 Aha -- it *is* a google feature: http://www.ditii.com/2009/03/25/google-testing-show-options-on-search-results/ 04:36:06 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/c7evpa 04:36:40 offby1: i could never take seriously someone who can't even add properly :-) 04:37:10 *neilv* sharpens a paren into a shiv and stabs rudybot 04:37:36 offby1: (in all seriousness, I have great respect for you -- did you hang out in #C also back in the day? the nick seems familiar) 04:37:40 if not #c, than #emacs ? 04:37:42 lowlycoder: multiply, you mean--offby1 always gets the answer, times 1 04:38:07 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-201-76.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:39:28 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:39:50 whoa, that'd be like the correct answer 04:40:11 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:40:29 weird 04:40:45 incubot: weirding 04:40:48 This Jim story thing is really weirding me out. But I can't stop reading. 04:42:30 incubot: feed the boids: tuppence a bag; tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag. 04:42:32 you feed cats that too? 04:43:28 lowlycoder: ever #C; constantly #emacs 04:43:32 s/ever/never/ 04:43:35 can't type either, apparently 04:43:43 offby1 character 04:43:47 ba da bum 04:43:48 sorry 04:44:00 (waiting for this stupid octave script to run, thius wasting time on irc0 04:44:08 well, schemers, building rlwrap 0.30 fixes the spurious CR problem, as does 'sudo port upgrade rlwrap'. Finally. 04:45:05 lowlycoder: off by 1 shift key 04:45:13 lowlycoder: While you're waiting for your script to run, I should shamlessly plug my most recent little "toy": http://refactormycode.com/codes/836-generalised-compose 04:45:15 zbigniew: *lol* 04:46:10 incubot: srfi-87 looks useful 04:46:13 But its role looks unclear to me. 04:47:13 foof: in case you missed that, upgrade to rlwrap 0.30 04:47:15 cky: That's the usual way to implement `compose'. 04:47:45 eli: Thanks, it's good to know I'm on the right track. :-) 04:49:14 "refactor my code" == "pimp my ride" ? 04:49:27 offby1: *lol* Now that you mention it.... 04:50:44 offby1: if, by refactor, you mean: "invest with an exchequer of roflcopters" 04:50:46 incubot: what do you want to bet that "exchequer of roflcopters" is hapax legomenon? 04:50:49 i, too, noticed clojure's exchequer of reddit-buzz 04:50:54 fuck that 04:56:55 #scheme, i'm suffering from a deep malaise; can anyone regale me with tales of olympic hackerdom? 04:58:19 (it's probably related to my difficulty in coming up with a good lexer/parser combo for r5rs; abstracting over subtokens is elusive) 04:58:44 and lemon complains about shift/reduce errors when i parse-by-the-book for r5rs 04:58:56 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["has been attacked by a grue"] 05:00:20 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@99.186.237.111] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:00:30 for instance, isn't it bizarre that the following rules are unreducible? 05:00:30 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 05:00:31 decimal ::= uinteger suffix. 05:00:38 decimal ::= digit digits OCTOTHORPE octothorpes DOT octothorpes suffix. 05:01:37 where: 05:01:39 uinteger ::= digit digits octothorpes. 05:02:30 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #scheme 05:02:49 oh, well; i guess i'll resort to lexing with complex regexps which have to be metabolized later 05:02:54 cky: replace FOLD with REDUCE in your code 05:03:40 zbigniew: Thanks, I shall. (It'll strip out one values call in the final result, I believe; am I right?) 05:03:49 yes 05:03:57 Cool beans. :-) 05:03:59 (compose) => values; (compose g) => g 05:07:45 Great, I've added your suggestion to the post. 05:15:53 mokogobo [n=mokogobo@pcp075595pcs.unl.edu] has joined #scheme 05:17:11 -!- tarbo [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Success] 05:27:17 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-126-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 05:36:01 -!- neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-030.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:36:28 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:39:11 tarbo [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 05:43:40 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 05:47:00 -!- mokogobo [n=mokogobo@pcp075595pcs.unl.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:47:30 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 05:54:47 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-26-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 05:58:56 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:59:27 -!- danking [n=danking@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has left #scheme 06:00:12 danking [n=danking@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 06:04:39 mmc [n=mima@192.100.124.219] has joined #scheme 06:14:54 -!- danking [n=danking@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["Changing server"] 06:17:17 danking [n=danking@pinball.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 06:22:41 underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-150.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:23:08 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:24:06 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97.118.134.159] has joined #scheme 06:24:10 -!- saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:33:37 -!- underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:41:04 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97.118.134.159] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:48:07 -!- teiresias [n=user@ip68-12-115-220.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 06:48:46 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-126-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:49:11 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:52:55 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:54:43 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 07:02:04 darth_chatri [n=darth@202.71.143.214] has joined #scheme 07:02:04 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:02:20 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:02:39 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 07:02:47 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:03:05 npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 07:05:07 klutometis: you win yet? 07:07:53 what about? decimal ::= uinteger OCTOTHORPE DOT octothorpes suffix. (I assume octothorpes is simply a 0 or more set of OCTOTHORPE) 07:11:51 ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db1cbe9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #scheme 07:13:15 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:17:46 -!- jberg [n=johan@62.80-202-161.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:17:50 xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has joined #scheme 07:19:25 -!- mmt [n=mmt@TEP.MIT.EDU] has quit ["leaving"] 07:23:00 -!- raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:23:25 Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has joined #scheme 07:27:05 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:29:13 -!- SugarGlider [n=stevie@dyn-203-143-164-139.qrl.nicta.com.au] has left #scheme 07:34:15 gioz [n=gio@88.244.10.83] has joined #scheme 07:34:41 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:36:18 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:38:24 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 07:38:36 attila_lendvai [n=ati@89.132.189.132] has joined #scheme 07:38:53 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:41:21 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:41:57 leppie: holy shit; that works 07:42:05 :) 07:42:23 for some reason, octothorpes OCTOTHORPE doesn't cause a shift/reduce conflict 07:42:42 thanks; i don't know why it works; but i'll take it ;) 07:43:01 elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #scheme 07:43:10 it cant determine the path at the end when it is halfway thru the other 07:44:27 ah, indeed; that deserves an entry in the THANKS file 07:44:46 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-150.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:47:30 :) 07:47:31 -!- ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db1cbe9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["Noch da, noch da ... Uuuuund weg."] 07:48:05 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:48:14 saccade [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 07:48:39 thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has joined #scheme 07:49:21 here is my R6RS number parser: https://ironscheme.svn.codeplex.com/svn/IronScheme/IronScheme/Compiler/NumberParser.y 07:49:36 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/8rrq26 07:50:41 npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 07:51:10 error_de1eloper_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:52:56 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:55:02 -!- certainty [n=david@alpha.d-coded.de] has quit [""bye bye ...""] 07:55:39 chris2 [n=cky@98.104.163.170] has joined #scheme 07:56:03 certaint1|work [n=david@alpha.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 07:58:04 -!- melgray [n=melgray@pool-71-121-210-139.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 08:01:47 -!- error_developer_ 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Here is a man who has actually thought about how to build distributed repositories and secure it such that you cannot taint the master repo 15:38:37 incubot: unfaqincbeliveable 15:40:21 dlt_ [n=dlt@201.57.58.146] has joined #scheme 15:40:29 -!- vixey [n=e@amcant.demon.co.uk] has left #scheme 15:40:59 -!- mreggen [n=mreggen@cm-84.215.50.79.getinternet.no] has quit ["leaving"] 15:41:02 npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #scheme 15:43:00 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:45:23 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 15:46:04 annodomini_ [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:46:52 klutometis: the formal syntactic specification of R6RS is correct for R6RS wrt # as a decimal digit. 15:48:59 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 15:52:31 -!- jn [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 15:52:45 -!- pants1 [n=hkarau@69-196-170-4.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [No route to host] 15:53:16 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:54:21 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 15:54:54 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 15:55:05 pants1 [n=hkarau@76-10-140-27.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 15:56:49 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:57:05 -!- npe_ [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [No route to host] 15:57:31 pants2 [n=hkarau@206-248-159-162.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 15:57:43 tfb [n=tfb@212.183.134.129] has joined #scheme 15:58:40 -!- pants1 [n=hkarau@76-10-140-27.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:04:57 -!- higepon68 [n=taro@FL1-122-135-188-240.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:09:08 lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has joined #scheme 16:15:34 -!- lowlycoder [n=x@unaffiliated/lowlycoder] has quit ["leaving"] 16:15:38 HG` [n=wells@91.111.13.16] has joined #scheme 16:16:35 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 16:16:39 bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:26:08 -!- tfb [n=tfb@212.183.134.129] has quit [] 16:28:17 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:30:34 -!- forcer [n=forcer@f054126220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:30:39 proq` [n=user@38.100.211.40] has joined #scheme 16:33:46 mike [n=m@dslb-088-066-252-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 16:34:14 -!- mike is now known as Guest89088 16:47:06 -!- tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.163.187] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:49:12 ejs [n=eugen@102-77-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 16:52:51 -!- proq` [n=user@38.100.211.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:53:08 sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-101-216.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:53:24 korvin [n=korvin@host-211-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #scheme 16:55:07 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-183-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:55:32 re all 16:56:18 how to change colors of gambit-c interpreter's ``hello''-message: http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=4033&key=2daecd ? 16:57:34 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:57:56 I believe I speak for many of us here: 16:57:58 lolwut? 17:02:27 -!- mmc [n=mima@192.100.124.219] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:04:11 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has quit [] 17:07:56 I'm afraid of that URL 17:08:04 and yet... 17:08:16 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-26-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:08:20 gnomon . well... gsi shows message "Gambit " with grey foreground and cyan backgroung (like on screenshot). it's not important of course, but is it posibble to change those colors? 17:08:27 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:51 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:11:24 You can revert to neutral fg/bg colors by disabling command-line editing entirely via a -: switch. Don't have time right now to source-dive for a more accurate answer. 17:12:10 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw261071.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:13:06 MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.130.110] has joined #scheme 17:13:19 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:14:41 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has left #scheme 17:14:49 -!- ejs [n=eugen@102-77-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:21:15 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-208-138.karneval.cz] has joined #scheme 17:22:41 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:22:52 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 17:26:09 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:26:19 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 17:28:09 -!- Vaeshir [n=zane@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:31:23 -!- hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit ["|_ e /\ \/ i |/| G"] 17:37:51 bsmntbombdood_ [n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 17:41:17 SandGorgon [n=user@122.163.196.186] has joined #scheme 17:42:31 melgray [n=melgray@pool-71-121-210-139.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:45:30 -!- korvin [n=korvin@host-211-145-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit ["(quit *servers* 'x_X)"] 17:46:28 ejs [n=eugen@37-226-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 17:48:38 cirquitz [n=cirquitz@203.199.114.33] has joined #scheme 17:51:12 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@89.132.189.132] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:51:25 barney [n=bernhard@p549A1427.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:54:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:55:10 -!- HG` [n=wells@91.111.13.16] has quit [Client Quit] 17:55:26 HG` [n=wells@91.111.13.16] has joined #scheme 18:01:50 -!- cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:01:55 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:02:36 rudybot: eval (assq 'a `((a . ,(values 1 2)))) 18:02:36 klutometis: error: context expected 1 value, received 2 values: 1 2 18:02:52 incubot: (assq 'a `((a . ,(values 1 2)))) 18:02:53 (a . 1) 18:03:09 hmm; which one is pathological? 18:05:09 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #scheme 18:05:11 Neither is. It's just a difference in approach 18:07:32 sjamaan: what about this, though? 18:07:36 incubot: (force (cdr (assq 'a `((a . ,(delay (values 1 2))))))) 18:07:36 1 18:07:48 delayed values are still truncated? 18:08:45 incubot: (receive x (force (cdr (assq 'a `((a . ,(delay (values 1 2))))))) x) 18:08:45 Error: unbound variable: x 18:09:20 incubot: (call-with-values (lambda () (force (cdr (assq 'a `((a . ,(delay (values 1 2)))))))) list) 18:09:20 (1 2) 18:09:20 force only expects 1 value from the delayed expression 18:09:21 sjamaan: you're right 18:09:28 incubot's truncating it 18:09:31 What p1dzkl said 18:09:52 p1dzkl: oh, ok 18:09:55 incubot: (values 1 2) 18:09:55 1 18:10:00 csi prints: 18:10:01 1 18:10:01 2 18:10:05 exactly 18:11:30 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:11:39 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #scheme 18:16:33 -!- ejs [n=eugen@37-226-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:16:58 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:26:19 -!- cirquitz [n=cirquitz@203.199.114.33] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:30:56 cipher [n=cipher@pool-173-48-136-239.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:33:23 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:35:37 ejs [n=eugen@37-226-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #scheme 18:36:07 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:37:38 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:39:33 -!- HG` [n=wells@91.111.13.16] has quit [Client Quit] 18:39:53 sjamaan: do you mind creating the dict-directory in release/4. i finished the rewrite of dict. 18:41:17 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-121-192.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 18:42:24 sure 18:42:59 thanks 18:43:37 I made it 18:43:43 Can you check if you can access it? 18:44:04 yes, one sec 18:45:57 yepp works thanks 18:46:02 cool 18:46:33 -!- ejs [n=eugen@37-226-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:48:11 bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has joined #scheme 18:48:45 -!- certaint1|work is now known as certainty 18:49:16 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:49:33 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:54:18 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-186-237-111.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:57:02 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-201-76.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57:20 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-121-192.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:57:47 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-121-192.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:05:21 -!- barney [n=bernhard@p549A1427.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:07:57 HG` [n=wells@91.111.13.16] has joined #scheme 19:08:16 incubot: the sequelae of ferality are sometimes unpleasant 19:08:19 Take, for example, DEFCLASS in Common Lisp. Writing SYNTAX-RULES pattern rules to parse an equivalent of DEFCLASS in Scheme would be most unpleasant. Although it's not pleasant in Common Lisp, it is at least possible to use the amenities of the language's built-in list processing routines to describe the complex computation of parsing the form and generating code for it. 19:08:51 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-101-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09:53 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-101-216.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:16:17 Modius [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-117-84.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:23:59 klutometis: http://chicken.wiki.br/man/4/Extensions%20to%20the%20standard#[6.4] 19:24:11 'Implicit non-multival continuations accept multiple values by discarding all but the first result.' 19:25:43 Also note R5RS sec 4.2.5 'Delayed evalution': 'The effect of returning multiple values is unspecified' 19:26:19 And once again in http://chicken.wiki.br/man/4/Extensions%20to%20the%20standard, 'Delayed expressions may return multiple values.' 19:26:51 incubot: viola 19:26:54 viola! 19:27:17 incubot: this is the world's smallest viola playing just for the waitresses 19:27:20 yeah, the latter, and i think it only applied to the waitresses 19:30:40 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-121-192.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:37:11 zbigniew: ah, nice; glad to know it is at least documented, and maybe even a design decision 19:43:18 dropping extraneous values is CL-like 19:44:57 -!- SandGorgon [n=user@122.163.196.186] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:45:02 but it only works for -implicit- non-multival continuations 19:45:13 mmc [n=mima@cs163051.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 19:45:13 incubot: ((lambda (x) x) (values 1 2)) 19:45:13 1 19:45:31 incubot: (call-with-values (lambda () (values 1 2)) (lambda (x) x)) 19:45:31 Error: bad argument count - received 2 but expected 1: # 19:45:55 incubot: (call-with-values (lambda () (values 1 2)) (lambda (x y) x)) 19:45:55 1 19:47:00 minion: MORE COFFEE 19:47:01 coffee me harder 19:47:42 No fair seeding minion. That's cheating. 19:47:54 minion: chant me something all fresh-like 19:47:54 MORE COFFEE 19:48:06 Bah. 19:48:39 incubot: don't be lazy; sow your seed before dawn 19:48:42 What do you mean 'thus the MINUEND-SEED multiples by 100 for the first argument,' then? 19:50:32 -!- hadronzoo__ is now known as hadronzoo 19:51:16 davidad [n=me@host-69-95-117-184.cwon.choiceone.net] has joined #scheme 19:54:05 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 19:54:11 jao [n=jao@104.Red-83-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:56:30 hedgee [n=cky@98.105.191.236] has joined #scheme 19:59:03 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:04:36 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 20:05:14 jao` [n=jao@103.Red-83-39-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:12:56 -!- cky [n=cky@98.104.163.170] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:13:01 -!- jao [n=jao@104.Red-83-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:17:37 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 20:18:41 -!- hedgee is now known as cky 20:18:41 incubot: He does fit the profile perfectly. He's intelligent, but an under-achiever; alienated from his parents; has few friends. Classic case for recruitment by the Soviets. 20:18:44 the person who exposed me to em claimed they were east german singing about the soviets sarcastically. 20:23:25 -!- MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has left #scheme 20:23:51 MichaelRaskin [n=MichaelR@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 20:27:03 Lilarcor_ [n=Lilarcor@53.sub-97-130-194.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 20:27:20 -!- Lilarcor_ [n=Lilarcor@53.sub-97-130-194.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:33 -!- jao` [n=jao@103.Red-83-39-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:28:40 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0B2F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:35:03 -!- davidad [n=me@host-69-95-117-184.cwon.choiceone.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:36:03 mib_dsuzhdon [i=44bcc5ec@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cf17863404424943] has joined #scheme 20:39:38 -!- ct2rips [n=ct2rips@blfd-4db1d993.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["Noch da, noch da ... Uuuuund weg."] 20:40:32 incubot: no way out... 20:50:31 -!- mmc [n=mima@cs163051.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56:03 RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.175.118] has joined #scheme 21:09:59 -!- MrFahrenheit [n=RageOfTh@92.36.130.110] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:16:52 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:17:21 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:19:55 pumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-147.cs.dartmouth.edu] has joined #scheme 21:22:00 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-139.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:29:31 incubot: once and awhile when i read jcowan's postings to chicken-users, i get signature envy; since he seems to have such a library of hyper-literate saws appended randomly to his post 21:29:34 got your hammers and saws ready? 21:29:46 yeah 21:32:38 klutometis: http://home.ccil.org/~cowan/signatures ! 21:32:41 -!- metasyntax [n=taylor@pool-71-127-85-87.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""Nichts mehr.""] 21:34:09 jonrafkind [n=jon@204.99.164.201] has joined #scheme 21:34:51 jao [n=jao@109.Red-83-44-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:35:27 I like the word "hyper-literate", though 21:36:39 incubot: what's your sign 21:36:42 so to take your example 123: in elementary school that was described to me as "a 1 in the hundreds place, a 2 in the tens place, and a 3 in the ones place." 21:37:08 positive, then 21:38:55 -!- dlt_ [n=dlt@201.57.58.146] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:39:22 Elly: nice; thanks 21:39:30 hyper literate -> transcending mere literacy 21:39:45 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 21:39:50 i.e., skimming "Gravity's Rainbow" 21:40:06 or better, consuming it as a graphic novel 21:41:27 I submit that being able to read Gravity's Rainbow qualifies one as hyper-literate 21:41:36 I've tried and failed twice to make it through that book 21:41:56 the sheer mass of...well, literature, for want of a better word, always defeats 21:41:58 defeats me, even 21:43:34 -!- pumpkin [n=pumpkin@dhcp-210-147.cs.dartmouth.edu] has quit [] 21:44:19 Try reading it on a vacation. That's the only way I can process capital-L Literature nowadays. 21:45:04 I always end up reading "intellectual trash" like high fantasy :P 21:45:06 Focus is such a precious commodity nowadays.... 21:45:15 *Elly* has a well-worn book of short stories on her bedside table 21:46:14 Trash has its place. There's a reason why I've parked Bioshock in favor of Jade Empire for the moment. 21:46:51 I have "Whipping Girl" by Julia Serano in my backpack, which is a fantastic book 21:46:58 but also a bit heavier than I like my casual reading to be 21:47:02 Also, I don't know how old you may be, but I didn't finish GR until my third try, when I was 25. 21:47:17 I'm 19. 21:47:41 There you go. 21:48:09 Jeez, that's a tall order 21:48:45 GR looks pretty good, actually; thanks for the find, guys 21:48:48 'course there are some very tall people in here 21:49:06 -!- xwl_ [n=user@147.243.236.60] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:49:08 there's a person who comes to campus sometimes and sells used books, which usually includes a goodly amount of fantasy and sci-fi 21:49:13 there's also a rare book store near here :D 21:49:47 Daemmerung: I had the same problem with V. which I am given to understand is less difficult than GR 21:51:05 zbigniew: it is. Have you tried /The Crying of Lot 49/? It's briefer still, but still good. I do not recommend any Pynchon after GR. 21:51:17 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 21:51:41 *That* is a good book 21:51:50 I read that in English class in 10th grade, actually 21:53:02 -!- Guest89088 [n=m@dslb-088-066-252-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:53:31 -!- jao [n=jao@109.Red-83-44-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 21:53:39 Methinks Elly had a burlier HS ed that I had. 21:53:50 s/that/than 21:54:02 Agreed 21:54:05 No; our teacher told us to pick a book we'd always wanted to read and report upon it to the class 21:54:08 *Daemmerung* multitasking poorly at the moment 21:54:28 I picked The Crying of Lot 49 and delivered "the least comprehensible presentation I've ever seen" 21:55:17 that sounds like Calvin's math homework 21:56:02 hmm; they proscribed color purple when i was in 10th; but then i found myself embroiled in a political tug-of-war between progressives and homophobic christians 21:56:08 maybe i should have been less comprehensible 21:57:13 incubot: or, maybe that's why i'm a paleo-hellenic polytheist 21:57:16 no, hellenic plural forming rules 21:58:44 pumpkin [n=pumpkin@Aeropuerto.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:59:05 Heh. incubot is so totally your personal chorus. 22:00:21 Daemmerung: ah, then maybe pre-euripidean tragedy lives on in #scheme; as long as dionysos is loved, and the chorus a main player 22:00:40 (q.v. geburt der tragoedia) 22:01:18 Heh. My school had a movement to start a "traditional values day" in the spirit of the Day of Silence, but they didn't get enough support. 22:02:15 *Daemmerung* is hiding from Maenads at the moment; please don't mind him 22:03:10 Elly: isn't it weird the way everyone's trying to invent a secular puritanism? 22:03:27 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@sccc-66-78-236-243.smartcity.com] has joined #scheme 22:03:38 klutometis: I mostly ignore them. Most of them are opposed to my lifestyle to some degree or another anyway :) 22:04:36 I don't know your lifestyle and I already hate it 22:04:44 On that, Ice-T is eminently quotable. 22:04:58 Fare: see! 22:05:14 Elly: thank god palin didn't win, then; they would have been broadcasting pseudo-morality straight into our bedrooms 22:05:21 Daemmerung: those wives still scare the shit out of me 22:06:34 klutometis: I don't watch TV, so I'm relatively insulated from that avenue 22:07:42 Elly: neither do i; which is why it has such mesmerizing powers in public, i think 22:07:58 moth-to-light kind of magnetism 22:08:29 incubot: makes me feel like odysseus and the sirens 22:08:32 does that mean you'll know all the libs, no, but you'll get a good feel 22:09:21 "You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and all other acyclic graphs; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should." 22:09:50 The Catemorphic Catechism. 22:10:37 can I fold the universe back? 22:10:42 or map it? 22:11:38 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-183-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:12:38 Fare: sure, why not? mapping the universe in the subjunctive; folding it back is the nostalgic optative. 22:14:19 what about reducing it? 22:14:38 or giving it as input to a forgetful functor? 22:15:32 jcowan's signature file is making me want to read Lord of the Rings again 22:16:29 for the Lovecraftian passage of the Moria? 22:20:22 Damn it, made me look. /Ulysses/ and /Lord of Light/, not bad. 22:20:42 Lord of Light is *good*. 22:20:52 Plusgood, even. 22:30:48 They called him Mahasamatman... 22:33:22 *sladegen* reread ubik recently and was minusappointed. not surprising mistaken it for ender's game. 22:34:51 -!- LobsterMan_AFK is now known as LobsterMan 22:35:36 it is mental gc time 22:38:23 -!- mib_dsuzhdon [i=44bcc5ec@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cf17863404424943] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 22:38:37 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 22:38:37 sladegen: I recently mistook it for Pohl's /The Tunnel Under the World/. Everything's blurring together.... 22:42:18 *sladegen* feebly tries to pass dentures to offby1. 22:44:15 Careful, he gites bitey when he's surprised. 22:44:50 anyone know how to upload a file with plt's web server? 22:45:11 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 22:46:16 -!- annodomini_ [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:49:35 for some reason I find closing my eyes and sitting for about fifteen minutes is far more relaxing than it ought to be 22:56:34 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@204.99.164.201] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:08:49 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-104-159.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:10:35 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:12:44 -!- bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:14:01 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-103-253.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:42 cads [n=max@c-76-122-89-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:15:18 incubot: stop and copy data from left to right hemisphere, or vice versa 23:15:21 same hemisphere at least 23:15:45 incubot, that hardly seems algorithmically sound 23:15:47 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@sccc-66-78-236-243.smartcity.com] has quit [] 23:15:47 if you care about speed what to do is write your code is an algorithmically efficient and clear way, then profile and improve it when slowness is observable 23:16:19 minion: chant to incubot 23:16:19 incubot: MORE BRAINS 23:16:22 You suggested something you thought was surprising, I suggested something more surprising. 23:18:12 minion: chant to incubot 23:18:13 incubot: MORE TALKING 23:18:15 Norvig is talking about learning programming as a whole. 23:18:33 minion: chant to incubot 23:18:33 incubot: MORE NORVIG 23:18:36 now we have lexical scoping (and a few other things) as well, it's even more similar than at the time Norvig wrote that 23:18:50 klutometis: impressive. 23:19:05 elf: what's going on? 23:19:05 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-103-253.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:19:21 isnt incubot yours? 23:19:33 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-119-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:19:48 elf: in a sense; in another, we all wrote him 23:19:57 nicely coded, sir. 23:20:12 id be curious to see its code at some point. 23:20:35 incubot: have you given your creation life yet? 23:20:38 (formerly metaperl) pasted "Creation Explained" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/47151 23:20:39 elf: actually, you probably don't want to; but: incubot.org 23:21:26 *klutometis* feels like the disrobed Oz 23:21:46 Hey now. This is a PG-13 channel. 23:22:06 It's coitens for you 23:22:17 elf: it's stupidly simple; it just happens to have good data 23:22:30 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@sccc-66-78-236-243.smartcity.com] has joined #scheme 23:22:38 -!- elfor [n=johanfre@85.8.2.11.static.se.wasadata.net] has quit [] 23:23:01 >:( 23:23:15 I have a group homework for algorithms and both of my other group members bailed on me 23:23:24 minion: chant to incubot 23:23:24 incubot: MORE DATA 23:23:27 Essentially that pipes code tries to do the same as map, filter and other list processing functions is doing but it is independent of data representation and it doesn't produce unnecessary lists in the middle of processing 23:23:31 Welcome to the enterprise, Elly :( 23:24:23 this would not bother me much, but it's due tomorrow 23:24:30 Now it becomes a case of game theory: what is worth more to you, teaching them a lesson by not doing the homework at all? Doing the homework by yourself and counting the extra effort as the cost for getting a good grade? Raising an objection to the course professor? 23:24:35 elly: whats the homework? 23:24:45 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE55B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 23:25:09 gnomon: or maybe the other group members are reporting that elly isnt doing anything, as an inverse prisoner... 23:25:29 elf: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15451-s09/www/assignments/hwk6.pdf 23:25:31 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/czku6d 23:25:53 Hehe, CMU, eh? 23:26:05 yes 23:26:05 heya arcfide :) 23:26:09 why do you ask? 23:26:18 Oh, I was just curious. 23:26:20 elf: Hey. 23:26:24 elf: Have you seen Descot? 23:26:32 I really like it at CMU 23:26:39 It's almost to a point where one can use it. :-D 23:26:58 Well, kind of use it, that is. 23:27:13 arcfide: never heard of it... 23:27:24 Ack! Where have you been? :-P 23:27:31 in a box, i think. 23:27:33 elf: 23:27:33 what is it? 23:27:57 application/xhtml+xml 23:28:00 doesnt work in lynx 23:28:17 elf: Hehe, right now, it's in Alpha development, so, Lynx is out of luck, but only for the moment. 23:28:30 elf: Give it a go in Firefox or Opera. 23:28:36 i have neither. 23:28:41 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@209.30.36.224] has joined #scheme 23:28:43 What...? :-D 23:28:44 Hehe. 23:28:46 elly: problem 1 is fairly straightforward. 23:28:51 elf: oh, I know 23:29:07 elf: I'm not asking #scheme for help on it (in fact, I request that you don't, since that violates our academic honesty rules) 23:29:11 but problems 1 and 3 are solved 23:29:24 elf: Well, you'll just have to wait until I have time to make it more available. It's my Decentralized Scheme Code Tracker for aggregating Scheme libraries for search, distribution, and collection. 23:29:27 I mostly just felt like venting about my group members leaving 23:29:32 elly: ah, apologies, then :) 23:29:38 its an interesting problem set though :) 23:29:48 arcfide: sexy :) 23:30:19 most of the algo problem sets are interesting 23:30:25 elf: Yes, and if you wanted a project for the Summer, I was hoping to get Chicken and PLT teams to make their repositories available in its format, so that they can be Descot-complaint. :-) 23:30:38 complaint, you say? 23:30:48 s/complaint/compliant/ 23:30:57 i prefer the first. 23:31:22 arcfide: whats the actual file type? 23:31:26 But right now, I'm still just building the basics up, and there are not enough support tools to make it what I really want it to be. 23:31:31 elf: Hehehe.... 23:31:33 xhtml+xml isnt a normal mimetype, is it? 23:31:37 shouldnt it just be xhtml? 23:31:37 what's descot? 23:31:52 elf: It uses Turtle-format RDF graphs for representing Library Metadata. 23:32:04 glarg. 23:32:08 elf: Oh...you mean for the web page? Yes, application/xhtml+xml is the right one. 23:32:21 ive never seen that type before :) 23:32:27 Elly: It's my project. I'm attempting to create a repository of library meta data. 23:32:37 elf: It's what XHTML 1.1 is served as. 23:32:44 in XML? 23:32:45 mmm... 23:32:55 xhtml 1.1 is out? 23:32:57 Elly: Where library here is Scheme Library. It's not in XML, though it could be. 23:33:04 elf: Of course, it's been out for ages. 23:33:08 i thought it was still nowhere near finalised. 23:33:09 it should be in S-expressions then :D 23:33:14 hm. 23:33:14 elf: That's XHTML 2. 23:33:19 ah. 23:33:23 Elly: RDF is buzzword marketing. 23:33:47 Elly: It can be trivially expressed as S-expressions, and I plan on making an S-expression based notation for RDF so that you can do just that. 23:33:53 asynchronous dynamic multifunctional cloud tag-based sphere space 23:34:04 Elly: At the moment though, Riastradh already had the Turtle parser written. 23:34:10 ahh 23:34:26 *elf* forgot to add 'web 2.0' above. 23:34:32 and saas. 23:34:55 raikov [n=igr@60.32.127.43] has joined #scheme 23:34:56 elf: Oh, I've got lots of buzzwords in this thing, for the sole purpose (and I don't mind admitting it) of attracting users who think Scheme doesn't have any hip and cool libraries or such. 23:35:15 elf: The web site will be moving to a 2.0 type of thing, even if there will be a Gopher mirror. ;-) 23:35:25 GOPHER! 23:35:26 Elly: this is a stretch, but did you ever hang out with irina? http://www.hcii.cmu.edu/community/alumni-phd/irina-alex-shklovski 23:35:28 elf: I also want a CLI client and a nice GUI. 23:35:31 It's the official mime type for XHTML, elf 23:35:45 xhtml 1.1 apparently. 23:35:55 At the moment though, I am just trying to get it to accept submissions so that I can start building up the database. 23:35:55 hadronzoo__ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-70-207.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 23:35:55 klutometis: not really 23:35:56 ive only accessed xhtml 1.0 pages, and those work fine in lynx. 23:36:22 compare with application/rdf+xml 23:36:26 elf: Because XHTML 1.0 has a compatibility mode which technically allows it to be served as text/html *if* the web browser doesn't handle application/xhtml+xml. 23:36:48 elf: However, XHTML 1.0 is still meant to be served as the latter, rather than the former. 23:36:48 RDF is a silly format for a polling protocol. Good for podcasts though. 23:37:38 synx: RDF had enough features already there for me to use it in a reasonably successful manner, and allows me to claim some level of standards focus. 23:38:09 synx: IMO it's a crazy format with all sorts of weirdo-stuff. 23:38:35 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:38:38 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-119-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:38:52 arcfide, a woo-woo data format written in crazy moon-man language? 23:39:03 Hehe. 23:39:03 :-) 23:39:34 I think I have the main Web browsing stuff mostly okay for now, so I would like feedback on that. 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