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And I can't make a progress event that returns a value once I notice the port has returned enough bytes. 00:03:29 There's no (fire-event) procedure that I can find at least. 00:03:32 dammit... and having a progress event requires you implement transaction support... 00:04:32 loonysalmon [n=kvirc@rover-205-234.rovernet.mtu.edu] has joined #scheme 00:04:39 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 00:05:03 orgy__ [n=ratm_@pD9FFF344.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 00:05:53 |loonysalmon| [n=kvirc@rover-205-234.rovernet.mtu.edu] has joined #scheme 00:06:09 -!- loonysalmon [n=kvirc@rover-205-234.rovernet.mtu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 00:07:13 maybe be easier if I do that read-to-peek thing 00:08:07 -!- X-Scale [i=email@2001:470:1f08:b3d:0:0:0:2] has left #scheme 00:08:35 -!- |loonysalmon| is now known as loonysalmon 00:08:53 oh sweet it just worked. 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Try "rudybot: help". 01:17:55 rudyboy: help 01:18:03 rudybot: help 01:18:04 loonysalmon: help [], version, quote, source, seen , uptime, init [], eval ..., give ..., apropos ..., desc , doc , later "tell" ... 01:19:14 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:22:27 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:23:21 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:26:09 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:26:20 jjong [n=user@203.246.179.177] has joined #scheme 01:34:56 milky_cereal [i=4c59e707@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fcbf3b9a49dc53c8] has joined #scheme 01:46:20 offby1: that was very funny. 01:48:45 anyone know the gambit ffi? 01:48:57 having trouble with ___S32VECTORREF 01:51:39 i get errors: ___hp and ___s32_temp are undefined. 01:56:36 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:56:54 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:05:40 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-128-25.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:05:52 -!- loonysalmon [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/loonysalmon] has quit ["Changing server..."] 02:10:50 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:15:04 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:15:22 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:24:17 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:29:49 davidad [n=me@RANDOM-SEVEN-FIFTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:43:29 annodomini_ [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:46:09 -!- davidad [n=me@RANDOM-SEVEN-FIFTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:49:35 davidad [n=me@RANDOM-THREE-SEVENTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:54:41 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:57:34 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:00:10 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01:11 jeez okay... I've got a HTTP 1.1 client package with pipelining and persistent connections...working. 03:01:42 Now I just need someone who knows what they're doing to tear it apart. 03:02:43 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:04:06 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:04:58 -!- milky_cereal [i=4c59e707@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fcbf3b9a49dc53c8] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 03:06:36 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:06:52 wy [n=wy@c-98-228-40-51.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:18:54 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:34:37 Vaeshir [n=user@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:35:02 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:35:20 rcassidy [n=rcassidy@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:37:06 question : is there any way I can take a function and return its name as a symbol, or string, or some other form of data? 03:37:26 example : I pass the function append, and get back 'append, or some other form of that word 03:38:14 i know it's easy to code out lookup pairs or other things like that - but the question's come up in a discussion about scheme 03:38:20 so i'm simply wondering :) 03:41:22 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:45:22 rcassidy: procedures do not have names, but they are bound to identifiers, which we type as readable names. 03:45:46 But it is possible to assign a name to a procedure... 03:46:26 generally you don't need to. And it's kind of buggy in plt (loses keyword contractual information) 03:47:15 Usually you give functions names so that you can "inspect" the code later, to identify what's being called where and what has what value and stuff. 03:47:33 so basically, function names are pointers to procedures, and that's it? right? (just want to make sure i understand it) 03:48:04 Right, they work out to numbers in the end. 03:48:14 cool. got it, thanks. 03:48:42 we're hanging out in a lab and just talking about functional programming/languages in general 03:48:42 one good example... 03:48:55 a friend of mine had asked that, figured #scheme would know :) 03:49:30 ((lambda (foo) (foo 2 3 4)) (lambda (a b c) (+ a b c))) 03:50:27 That's a procedure that takes a procedure as an argument. The first procedure knows about 'foo' as an identifier. The second procedure though, has no access to anything called 'foo'. That's information only the calling procedure bears. 03:51:19 So to say the second procedure is "named" foo just doesn't work. It's not named anything. It might be bound to an argument somewhere named foo, sometime though. 03:52:15 Well what I'm saying is scheme specific rcassidy. In python for instance functions do have assigned names, except arbitrarily when they're fakelambdas. 03:53:33 yeah python... *coughs* 03:58:08 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable087.62-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:04:57 heh 04:05:10 right, thank you for the example. 04:05:17 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:10:21 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176217217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:10:22 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:13:52 synx: What is it that you find buggy in PLT in regards to function names? 04:13:55 rcassidy: the right way to think about function names in Scheme (as well as any language with first-class functions) is as just decoration that is sometimes useful for debugging. The functions themselves exist independent of the names -- and you can always write a lambda form that will have no corresponding name. 04:14:18 eli: right, that was my instinct 04:14:23 hmm 04:14:37 eli: simply confirming with the room. it was another student I was chatting with who brought it up. 04:14:48 rcassidy: Some schemes, like PLT, will `infer' a name for some functions (ones that are "defined" with a name), but that's still only something that is used for debugging, when you print function values. 04:16:14 eli: cool, thank you! i don't know much about the internals of any schemes, let alone PLT. very interesting stuff 04:16:48 rcassidy: Well, any language with first class functions will have the same issue. 04:16:53 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:17:02 Javascript, ML, Haskell, etc. 04:17:07 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:17:12 Even python, in a very limited an uninteresting way. 04:17:18 s/an/and/ 04:18:13 eli: https://synx.us.to/code/scheme/rename-fail.ss 04:19:09 procedure-rename loses keyword arguments. 04:19:39 Even necessary ones. It's literally impossible to call bar. 04:26:28 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176222071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:34:17 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:36:05 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 04:40:59 synx: This is because you're looking at the lower level interface to "primitive" procedure values. 04:50:04 Um... okay. I just randomly found procedure-rename, but if you know of a higher level interface? 04:51:58 No -- like I said earlier, the name is mainly a tool for making debugging easier -- you shouldn't use it (or procedure names) in a "semantically meaningful" way. (Like expecting the name of the procedure to correspond to some binding for it.) 04:57:43 by "shouldn't", he means "that's antithetical to everything good and wholesome that scheme represents, and i should kill you where you stand" 04:58:46 -!- ASau [n=user@95.84.29.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:01:12 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 05:05:27 I usually end up rolling my eyes instead of killing... 05:05:59 -!- wy [n=wy@c-98-228-40-51.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:07:04 but seriously, this is one of those zen of scheme things that takes a long time to figure out 05:07:56 -!- rcassidy [n=rcassidy@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 05:08:46 My hope is that it's getting to be less zen, with the fact that more modern languages share the same first-class functions feature. 05:09:09 most people have first-class functions now 05:09:57 but scheme still has things like syntactic extension and a general philosophy of hygiene that most do not 05:10:49 Yeah, there is still enough time for Scheme to stay relevant... 05:12:08 two things you can't really add to your language after the fact 05:12:13 -!- meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["has been attacked by a grue"] 05:12:38 I don't use procedure names myself, but being unable to assign a name to any procedure with keywords is somewhat half assed. 05:12:42 I mean I could make a eq? hash table of value to name and it wouldn't disturb any of the procedures. Why that's not the default I haven't a clue. 05:12:56 (define (rename-anything v name) (set! *gnames* (dict-set *names* v name))) 05:13:07 synx: procedure names are not meaningful. pretend they're not there 05:13:19 *neilv* senses a common lisper 05:13:30 (define (get-name-of-anything v) (dict-ref *names* v (lambda () #f))) 05:13:46 er, *gnames* w/ev 05:14:51 synx: Why exactly do you want to "assign a name to any procedure"? 05:15:32 neilv: I like to be able to assign arbitrary sort of names to different things, just for debugging purposes. Like if I pass a procedure as an argument, I can see what I've named it, to pick it out among 6 other possibilities. 05:15:57 fair enough. but that's not actually a feature of scheme 05:16:33 *eli* +1s neilv 05:16:51 The hash table works fine. I was just noting that (procedure-rename) has a very not useful behavior. So I won't use it. 05:16:54 eli: it would be convenient to have this capability, however 05:17:00 synx: What's wrong with the default names that get assigned to functions? 05:17:15 I can count on one hand how many times I would pass a procedure I'm not sure of what is too. 05:18:55 neilv: I agree, but it will take work that wasn't done yet. Keyworded procedures are actually structs, so in a sense they are easier to "rename" -- but that's a very different thing than what procedure-rename is doing. 05:19:01 synx: What's wrong with the default names that get assigned to functions? 05:19:02 eli: When they display as # I have problems. It's usually fine if they display as # though, with a little squinting. 05:19:40 There are default names? I didn't say there was anything wrong with them. 05:20:14 synx: the names that have the source line/column information are the default for functions that have no name. 05:20:42 I don't really care about it all that much. If it takes work, just don't bother with it. 05:20:53 And if you're getting # it means that you got a function from some random place like `eval' or like the repl -- and then debugging becomes much harder anyway. 05:21:21 definitely so 05:21:52 I think it was the repl yeah. I haven't noticed just # anywhere else. 05:22:50 Thereyougo(tm). 05:25:28 (define write-xml-element-chardata (%xml-write:write-xml-chardata-proc (#\< "<") (#\> ">") (#\& "&"))) 05:25:41 why do at run time what you can do at syntax expansion time 05:29:45 Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 05:41:55 rcassidy [n=rcassidy@155.33.149.150] has joined #scheme 05:41:58 -!- rcassidy [n=rcassidy@155.33.149.150] has quit [Client Quit] 06:04:43 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:05:29 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 06:13:45 -!- annodomini_ [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:31:05 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-225-177.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:32:04 mmc [n=mima@esprx02x.nokia.com] has joined #scheme 06:43:28 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 07:05:28 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 07:07:18 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057BB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 07:12:54 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:18:37 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:19:00 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:19:20 aardvarc [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has joined #scheme 07:19:26 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 07:22:57 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:23:18 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 07:24:01 -!- reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 07:29:45 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:30:22 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:35:37 -!- aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:42:29 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #scheme 07:54:14 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@71.237.94.78] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:54:25 ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.78.35] has joined #scheme 08:09:00 -!- davidad [n=me@RANDOM-THREE-SEVENTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:12:33 McManiaC [n=nils@vpn1032.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #scheme 08:18:27 -!- Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [] 08:23:41 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:29:56 Is there a (comprehensive) document containing the differences between vanilla and PLT Scheme? 08:34:11 ebzzry: Not really. It really depends on what you'd mean by "vanilla", but for most definitions, the delta is pretty big. 08:34:34 eli: Vanilla in this context would mean r5 and r6 08:35:04 r6sr is much bigger than r5rs, plt is much bigger than r6rs. 08:35:30 eli: Yup. 08:36:21 eli: A document (or set of) that at least lists the symbols that are present in PLT and not with r6rs 08:40:04 ebzzry: How is that useful? 08:40:31 eli: I want to minimize the time required to learn PLT Scheme. 08:40:56 And how is such a list helping? 08:41:20 eli: I said at least, at most a comprehensive one would be best. 08:41:43 rudybot: eval (define (names-in mod) (dynamic-require mod #f) (namespace-mapped-symbols (module->namespace mod))) 08:41:44 eli: your scheme sandbox is ready 08:42:08 eli: At the very least would be a plain text file containg per line the name of symbol that is not present in r5/r6. 08:42:20 rudybot: eval (map (lambda (mod) (list mod (length (names-in mod)))) '(r5rs r6rs scheme/base scheme)) 08:42:20 eli: error: module->namespace: current code inspector cannot access namespace of module: "/usr/local/plt-4.1.5.3/collects/r5rs/main.ss" 08:42:22 eli: But that wouldn't be very convenient, of course. 08:42:34 Bah. 08:43:02 I'm getting: ((r5rs 70) (r6rs 1203) (scheme/base 1220) (scheme 1665)) 08:44:15 Hmm. 08:48:25 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 08:48:42 So, what do you think? 08:49:10 Give me a minute. 08:53:52 OK. 08:54:46 eli: I'm curious, how did you learn PLT Scheme, and in this regard, how did the rest? 08:59:31 Ragnaroek [i=8f5df982@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-48baa907fbc64e0e] has joined #scheme 09:03:03 ebzzry: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x.html 09:03:21 Going 09:03:54 But there are some weird things still, because it's a half-assed job... 09:04:05 eli: I'm sorry but what is "scheme/base", and "scheme" in the first row? 09:04:23 Judofyr [n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0392.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 09:04:53 `scheme/base' is the "small-ish and stable default language" in most plt modules, `scheme' is the "larger and more convenient" one. 09:05:15 eli: OK. Thanks a lot. 09:06:43 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-50-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:07:21 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-50-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:08:21 ebzzry: Updated, slightly better. 09:08:25 (Same URL.) 09:08:40 What did you add? 09:08:54 A better require of the r5rs that doesn't show mcaar etc. 09:08:56 (assuming it was an add, and not minus) 09:09:21 One more minute, and I can even make it useful. 09:09:29 Great. 09:12:41 cracki [n=cracki@46-051.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 09:16:48 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 09:20:14 xwl [n=user@114.246.82.240] has joined #scheme 09:20:39 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has quit ["..."] 09:23:40 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:27:03 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 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Wise up. Flush Scheme. 19:43:22 you tell me, wise one. 19:45:14 incubot: what is the best scheme implementation? 19:45:17 or at least, something which could approach the best sometime in the nearish future 19:51:13 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:57:09 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 19:58:35 -!- barney [n=bernhard@p549A2189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:58:40 Vaeshir [n=user@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:02:50 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:04:05 incubot: do you always finish peoples sentences for them? 20:04:07 And then never finish them. 20:04:44 incubot: you're supposed to say bigloo or chicken or something 20:04:47 no most schemes I use don't have realine library, it's just that some code I wrote broke the other day on Scheme48 but not in bigloo, guile, gauche, pltscheme, chicken, gambit, and a number of other schemes. 20:05:06 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:07 Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 20:07:54 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:09:51 -!- rcassidy [n=rcassidy@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [] 20:11:46 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:17:51 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:19:37 -!- Arelius_ [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [] 20:21:23 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0099.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:21:30 -!- jao` is now known as jao 20:22:09 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@88-202-205-114.rdns.as8401.net] has quit [] 20:36:46 -!- ebzzry [n=ebzzry@124.217.85.140] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:37:07 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-121.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:39:07 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-128-25.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:39:51 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 20:41:20 sad0ur [n=sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #scheme 20:44:30 repror___ [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:44:30 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw372060.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:45:00 -!- elf [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 20:45:04 elf [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:43 incubot: play me a melody. 20:46:46 i like a bit of melody 20:47:07 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-329442.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48:03 won't play a simple melody, like my mother sang to me 20:48:18 one with good ol' fashioned harmony, play a simple melody 20:48:20 -!- Vaeshir [n=user@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:50:23 dum de dum 20:51:19 Vaeshir [n=user@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:30 -!- Vaeshir [n=user@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:03:02 zane [n=zane@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:04:57 kniu [n=kniu@OVERLORD.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:13:02 -!- araujo [n=moz@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:13:17 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13:19 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 21:15:58 -!- zane [n=zane@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18:17 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:19:02 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:22:45 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 21:25:24 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:25:39 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:26:11 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:26:31 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:32:15 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:32:46 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:44:27 Def [n=joe@71.238.45.45] has joined #scheme 21:48:31 presto10 [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 21:51:19 -!- Qaexl [n=Akashakr@c-24-30-97-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:53:43 sjamaan: are you doing funky things to the wiki? chicken-setup doesn't exist 21:54:33 klutometis: I just moved the manual to man/3 21:54:38 Try man/3/chicken-setup 21:54:44 Qaexl [n=Akashakr@c-24-30-97-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:54:48 Is there something that still refers to /chicken-setup? 21:55:12 sjamaan: the manual 21:56:18 The manual should have relative references 21:56:38 Can you tell me what page you're looking at, exactly? 21:57:17 http://chicken.wiki.br/The User's Manual 21:57:20 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 21:57:24 linked from callcc.org, i believe 21:57:43 *sjamaan* ponders 21:57:44 specifically http://callcc.org/chicken-redirector-2.0/top.php 21:57:49 That page shouldn't exist, I think 21:57:52 Where can I fing a changelist for chicken 4? 21:58:10 s/fing/find 21:58:15 Under NEWS? 21:58:48 klutometis: It says "Last update: 2008-09-16 (Rev 11957)" 21:59:18 Something's broken, I suppose 21:59:41 I'll send a mail to the ML 21:59:48 Maybe Mario or Alejo can have a look at that 21:59:49 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:00:22 sjaaman: Er? Is there a `news' section on chicken's site? 22:00:26 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:00:55 Mr-Cat: In the svn tree, or in the tarball 22:01:26 ah, I see 22:01:47 -!- Judofyr [n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0392.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:37 -!- Nichibutsu [n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has quit [] 22:03:18 klutometis: Thanks for the heads up, I sent the mail 22:03:32 I think it's a bug in svnwiki 22:03:35 sjamaan: thanks; congrats, btw, on 4 22:03:49 yeah, 4 is cool 22:04:00 rumbleca [n=rumble@174.0.46.123] has joined #scheme 22:04:05 roughly how many eggs are available? 22:04:22 74 22:04:44 for 4? oh, nice; it sounds like the majority have been ported 22:05:00 ummm... what's in chicken 4 instead of define-foreign-record? 22:05:29 Mr-Cat: It's been renamed to 'foreigners', IIRC 22:06:13 `foreigners'? Sems, that wiki has not been updated. 22:06:20 yet 22:06:47 It's listed on eggref/4 22:07:21 Where are you looking? 22:08:33 hm, that reminds me 22:08:40 sjaaman: And where should I look? 22:08:42 *sjamaan* changes Eggs Unlimited to point to Eggs Unlimited 4 22:08:49 |00:09| ( sjamaan) It's listed on eggref/4 22:08:57 chicken.wiki.br/eggref/4 22:09:37 Ah, thanks. Seems, there is no link to that page 22:10:02 The wiki could use some work :) 22:10:20 Ok, thanks 22:15:20 I'm off to bed 22:15:24 Good night schemers 22:15:34 good night 22:16:55 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-75.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 22:18:06 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-75.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:19:04 sjamaan: https://galinha.ucpel.tche.br/svn/chicken-eggs/chicken/trunk/manual/Extensions describes a Metafile reference i can't find 22:19:06 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/cm2phr 22:19:12 oh, shit; he's sleeping 22:19:47 http://chicken.wiki.br/Metafile reference 22:19:48 got it 22:20:43 presto10` [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 22:28:39 meanburrito920_ [n=John@76-217-6-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:30:01 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 22:31:39 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.static.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:32:36 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-132.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:34:37 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:34:41 -!- presto10 [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:39:41 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:41:15 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 22:44:19 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 22:46:37 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:47:32 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:53:59 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 22:57:32 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057BB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:06 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:01:33 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:03:20 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 23:06:51 -!- bweaver [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:15:40 -!- RageOfThou [n=RageOfTh@92.36.205.144] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19:59 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:22:52 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:24:52 -!- neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:27:05 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-166-72.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:27:32 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 23:30:54 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:31:04 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:35:07 -!- presto10` [n=user@cs181131.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:35:45 Sigh. 23:37:29 What's up, Riastradh? 23:38:22 23:38:34 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:14 neilv [n=user@dsl092-071-029.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 23:41:49 Maybe Chicken 4 is improved in other respects (I haven't compared anything else between it and earlier versions), but in this respect every change from Chicken 3 with riaxpander to Chicken 4 is a regression, at least from a cursory examination. 23:42:36 (Also, a section of that document is plagiarized without citation, unless there is a bibliography elsewhere among the manual.) 23:42:46 Plagiarized from what? 23:42:55 A paper by Will Clinger on explicit renaming macros. 23:43:14 Eep. 23:46:23 I'm concerned less about the plagiarism than about the technical mistakes, however. 23:48:08 Which ones are those? 23:48:23 -!- pants1 [n=hkarau@206-248-181-126.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:48:34 1. Phases are poorly separated. 23:48:47 2. Explicit renaming macros are granted special status. 23:48:57 3. Non-hygienic macros cannot compose. 23:49:38 4. Mutation of top-level bindings is not contained by modules. 23:49:48 5. Indirect exports are listed in the wrong place. 23:51:39 benny [n=benny@i577A248D.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 23:56:15 1 and 4 are not solved, but also not implied, by riaxpander. 2, 3, and 5 are all solved by riaxpander. 1 is the reason why eli must resist (or not resist) sniggering each time macros arise in discussion about Chicken, and the new version of Chicken only codifies a wrong approach to the problem. 5 is a mistake unfortunately codified in the R6RS. 23:56:30 6. Internal syntactic definitions are badly implemented or incorrectly documented.