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Really? Hard to believe that such a body would have sinister intentions when declining a application. 00:29:16 -!- ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:29:25 declining scheme is sinister indeed 00:29:52 lots of projects get denied 00:30:10 projects even bigger than a scheme implementation 00:30:27 but it is unlikely scheme will win in the end 00:31:30 or maybe mzscheme 00:32:13 I just like to read the papers :) 00:32:16 what would scheme win? 00:32:18 when is the end? 00:32:20 I wish I could go there thou. 00:32:33 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:32:48 -!- pizza_ [n=pizza@poipu/supporter/pizza-milkshake] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:32:49 -!- pizza___ is now known as pizza_ 00:32:59 pizza__ [n=pizza@66.152.246.202] has joined #scheme 00:33:10 samth: a pony 00:33:24 oooh, a pony 00:34:00 *proq* votes for unlikely scheme + indiezen for a gsoc.. probably not google's game though 00:35:35 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-133-162-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:36:01 what project was denied? 00:36:33 ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #scheme 00:39:13 gweiqi: chicken 00:39:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYw2ewoO6c4 00:40:16 that's awesome 00:40:17 klutometis: who was it denied by? 00:44:09 haha @ The LEGO Turing Machine 00:44:21 very nice 00:48:31 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:49:03 gweiqi: i'm looking back into the mailing list, but i can't find anything specific 00:49:06 gBorg 00:49:28 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 00:50:44 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=google+and+summer&submit=Search!&idxname=chicken-users&max=10&result=normal&sort=date%3Alate 00:50:46 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/csrmlm 00:53:24 http://com.youtube.com/watch?v=KL_wy-CxBP8 00:55:04 troter [n=troter@nurikabe.timedia.co.jp] has joined #scheme 00:56:02 *mejja* always preferred meccano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL_wy-CxBP8 00:56:08 As impressive as that is, I'm already bias coz' of the lego machine 01:08:16 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:09:17 well, the difference engine doesn't need a computer to control it 01:09:43 I think that makes it a win 01:13:22 kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:14:08 -!- Gorgoroth is now known as soullessZombie 01:14:46 -!- silentOpen [n=dsheets@EASTCAMPUS-NINE-FORTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:14:46 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:14:46 -!- ricky [n=ricky@fedora/ricky] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 01:14:52 silentOpen [n=dsheets@EASTCAMPUS-NINE-FORTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 01:14:52 rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 01:14:52 ricky [n=ricky@fedora/ricky] has joined #scheme 01:15:26 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:15:28 pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:58 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:18:51 -!- soullessZombie is now known as Gorgoroth 01:25:06 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:25:40 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:27:50 patmaddox [n=pergesu@ip68-4-201-9.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:33:02 so erlang sounds interesting. I think I'm going to need to tackle that after scheme 01:34:04 just don't hurt it 01:35:58 You can't hurt something without state. 01:37:38 foof: nonsense: even the prisoners at gitmo bleed 01:37:52 :) 01:38:16 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEA7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:47:04 -!- tizoc` [n=user@r190-133-131-137.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:47:47 tizoc [n=user@r190-133-150-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 01:49:56 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-236-161.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:50:16 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-236-161.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:10:26 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:10:32 mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 02:10:47 how do i get the nth item from a (list ...)? 02:10:56 mr-slave: later tell offby1 a semi-lot more stuff 02:10:56 minion: memo for offby1: a semi-lot more stuff 02:10:56 Remembered. I'll tell offby1 when he/she/it next speaks. 02:11:55 mr-slave: later tell offby1 a semi-lot more stuff 02:11:55 minion: memo for offby1: eli said a semi-lot more stuff 02:11:56 Remembered. I'll tell offby1 when he/she/it next speaks. 02:13:26 mr-slave: later tell minion chant to eli 02:14:22 This is odd 02:14:25 mr-slave: ping 02:15:23 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:15:34 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:15:44 pizza_: list-ref 02:16:07 -!- mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:16:17 looks like the port on my machine is somehow stuck... 02:16:33 it's O(n) though, are you sure you want to use a list? 02:16:36 gnomon [n=gnomon@CPE001d60dffa5c-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:17:33 -!- rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:17:38 p1dzkl: yup, that's acceptable for now 02:17:40 thanks 02:17:45 rudybot [n=luser@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 02:18:20 -!- dudrenov [n=user@h-67-101-217-41.snfccasy.covad.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 02:21:20 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["He rode off into the sunset. . ."] 02:24:30 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["*bork bork*"] 02:26:27 -!- Axioplase_ [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has quit ["brb"] 02:29:17 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #scheme 02:40:35 kruth [n=kruth@c-24-23-76-107.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:50:11 xwl [n=user@221.221.157.195] has joined #scheme 02:50:37 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0839.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:57:17 meanburrito920 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:01:18 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-69.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:01:20 Hey all! 03:02:15 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 03:02:52 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:05:18 Fnord. 03:10:28 mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:11:11 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:11:14 *foof* pines 03:11:53 Nifty. Folks at Stanford have managed to store thirty-five bits per electron in some clever storage scheme. Now if they could add a single bit more, we could have a nice 36-bit word per electron. 03:12:07 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 03:12:23 url? 03:13:17 The article that Slashdot points to has a much lower information density, unfortunately, and I think I've told you pretty much everything important from it, but it's here: . 03:15:53 Of course, judging by the quality of the article's content, its author could be completely off the mark in reporting the practical information density attained in the experiment. 03:17:50 Odd, it says they wrote "SU". With 35 bits, you have at 4 ASCII characters. Were they writing in UTF-16? 03:18:33 (A simple letter-only encoding needs only 5 bits, which would've allowed allowed 7 letters, one short of "Stanford".) 03:24:54 -!- xwl [n=user@221.221.157.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:27:12 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:28:26 minion: 'sup 03:28:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``'sup''. 03:28:26 offby1, memo from mr-slave: a semi-lot more stuff 03:28:27 offby1, memo from mr-slave: eli said a semi-lot more stuff 03:28:51 minion: you may tell mr Eli that I'll get to it, I'll get to it 03:28:51 it: what's up? 03:29:00 ? 03:29:20 minion: yeah, ? 03:29:21 watch out, you'll make krystof angry 03:29:39 uh oh 03:29:41 haha, minions response to 'sup would be lamest joke ever if it werent by a bot 03:29:56 I knew this would happen 03:33:35 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 03:34:38 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 03:36:07 aspect: what? 03:37:28 foof: the rise of the bots 03:38:14 minion: emote happy 03:38:14 please stop playing with me... i am not a toy 03:38:23 ...wait 03:38:25 minion: out 03:38:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``out''. 03:38:46 minion: what is your purpose 03:38:47 maybe you need to ask my master, chandler - he knows a lot 03:38:53 lol 03:39:18 minion: be happy 03:39:19 watch out, you'll make krystof angry 03:39:23 ? 03:39:34 minion: who are you 03:39:35 Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 48 seconds is too many. 03:39:44 minion: are you angry? 03:39:54 -!- Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B54931.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:39:59 ah. looks like he died :-) 03:40:07 Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B53DB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 03:43:23 No, he stopped responding to you because you were bothering him. 03:53:08 ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.141] has joined #scheme 03:53:29 -!- ttmrichter_ [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.141] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:01:54 meanburrito920: Please play with me; I am a toy 04:02:44 ... 04:02:56 rudybot: Just what I want to hear on a first date! 04:02:56 foof: ? 04:03:21 rudybot's prompt just sounds creepy 04:05:36 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.235.59.231] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:10:22 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:14:07 rudybot: stand on one leg and jump in a circle 04:14:07 meanburrito920: ? 04:14:18 rudybot: (+ 3 4) 04:14:18 meanburrito920: ? 04:14:32 rudybot: what do you understand? 04:14:33 meanburrito920: ? 04:14:36 haha 04:14:46 rudybot: emote confused 04:14:46 meanburrito920: ? 04:15:07 rudybot: tell rudybot that you are confused 04:15:07 meanburrito920: ? 04:15:08 meanburrito920: psst -- try 'help' 04:15:19 rudybot: help 04:15:19 meanburrito920: help [], version, quote, source, seen , uptime, init [], eval ..., give ..., apropos ..., desc , doc 04:15:21 ah 04:16:25 rudybot: eval (+ 4 3) 04:16:26 meanburrito920: ; Value: 7 04:16:29 -!- dmoerner_ is now known as dmoerner 04:16:30 sick 04:16:43 *mr-slave* stares at rudybot Can you please use a different channel for this noise? 04:16:52 ah. sorry 04:16:59 offby1: AYT? 04:18:37 .oO("AYT"?) 04:18:43 Iz I There? 04:18:46 Yes, I Iz. 04:19:49 offby1: I killed your "sightings.ss", and rewrote it instead. 04:20:08 *offby1* sobs 04:20:12 it wuz my baby 04:20:28 offby1: It's now shorter, and provides a more generic interface where any nick can have random properties hanging on it. 04:20:29 whadja use for storage? Not sqlite or anything I hope 04:20:39 oooh, properties! 04:21:00 (Of course not... I have never seen a case where sexprs are not enough for storage.) 04:21:16 long's the entire db isn't one giant sexp. 04:21:25 -!- meanburrito920 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 04:21:41 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 04:21:42 One simple change makes the language setting persistent. (so one "init: r5rs", and you'll get it forever, until you choose something else.) 04:21:58 The db is basically one sexpr per nick. 04:22:52 It's more to write for every change, but the amount of FS work you'd do on every read/write was pretty intense. (With that `directory-exists/ci' thing.) 04:23:36 Anyway, the current "later tell" delegate to minion is just temporary; it should be easy to add a proper message thing. 04:24:23 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 04:25:45 I don't believe I've deployed the last batch of changes! You're embarrassing me with your prodigious output 04:25:55 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:25:55 -!- mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:25:55 -!- silentOpen [n=dsheets@EASTCAMPUS-NINE-FORTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:25:55 -!- ricky [n=ricky@fedora/ricky] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:26:15 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 04:26:15 mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:26:15 silentOpen [n=dsheets@EASTCAMPUS-NINE-FORTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:26:15 ricky [n=ricky@fedora/ricky] has joined #scheme 04:26:16 somebot: define prodigious 04:26:56 exceedingly large quantity 04:27:25 Yeah, I got that from googlebot. 04:28:36 In any case, I think that I'll leave it at that, and perhaps get to it later. (The "later tell" thing is just the only memo-related syntax that I can remember.) 04:28:58 Do you want me to put the patches out? 04:29:13 as in, on tmp.barzilay.org? Sure! 04:29:31 In fact I _did_ deploy that last batch, as "rudybot: version" confirms. 04:29:33 So, who is interested in helping me understand META-LET*? 04:29:40 0_o 04:30:33 foof [n=user@naist-wavenet126-001.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 04:30:39 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:30:58 arcfide pasted "The Ugly Version" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74555 04:31:06 -!- mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:31:21 arcfide annotated #74555 with "My Version" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74555#1 04:31:48 Now, a friend of mine uses this macro for doing some crazy stuff with FASL and Unicode tables. 04:31:56 I hope you plan to put those two definitions in separate modules. 04:32:21 Riastradh: Was that directed to me? 04:32:28 (Why do you have a unary case and an n-ary case with duplication, rather than a nullary case and an n-ary case with no duplication?) 04:32:32 Yes, it was. 04:33:01 Riastradh: Eh, I wasn't thinking about the cases much. 04:33:49 offby1: It's there now. 04:33:52 The main problem here is that his version seems to be faster, to the point of actually making a difference. 04:34:02 I don't know why. 04:34:46 eli: ah! Applied cleanly. 04:37:20 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit ["leaving"] 04:37:24 offby1: If you want to maintain your sightings.db, you'll need to translate the information. I could do that, just didn't know how much you care about keeping it. 04:38:13 arcfide annotated #74555 with "Cleaner" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74555#2 04:38:21 Riastradh: Are you talking about that kind of adjustment? 04:38:56 Riastradh: Also, what do you mean about putting things in separate modules? 04:39:01 eli: I was _just_ about to say something about that, and then thought it's not worth bothering you about :) 04:39:13 man, that "canonicalize-nick" that I wrote is downright _embarrassing_ 04:39:29 You won't have much luck calling INSTANTIATE-RHS if it is defined at run-time in the module that defines META-LET*, arcfide. 04:39:49 Oh, well, yeah, of course. 04:40:08 offby1: OK, so the easiest option is you tar+gzip up the whole thing and send it to me -- it will take me about 2 minutes of emacs magic. 04:40:40 offby1: And BTW, you have a weird thing there, where you actually get to keep the last three entries instead of just two. 04:41:32 arcfide: is #,#` really needed? 04:41:54 eli: Dunno. ;-) 04:42:08 eli: an off-by-one probably. 04:42:19 eli: I'll do the conversion myself; I kinda enjoy that sort of thing 04:42:30 arcfide: It looks completely redundant, just like `(,`blah) = `(blah) 04:42:36 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:42:46 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:43:11 eli: Oh, one thing I wanted to ask: why did you turn one (or maybe more) parameter into a box? I've seen you do similarly elsewhere but can't remember why. 04:43:29 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit [] 04:43:34 offby1: Me too... It's like a kind of pervert... In my ugrad days I always volunteered to photocopy books too. 04:43:50 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 04:43:52 offby1: Ah, I forgot about that. 04:44:09 offby1: The deal is that all of these things are the same as long as the bot is single-threaded. 04:44:18 hadronzoo [n=user@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 04:44:49 offby1: But conceptually, a parameter makes sense where a value should be local to a "handler thread" -- like *for-whom*. 04:44:56 mm hmm 04:45:02 but a gen-you-wine global ... ? 04:45:11 you just box it so it can be mutated outside of its home module? 04:45:16 offby1: For just plain globals, you can just have a global and `set!' it when you want to change it. 04:45:37 offby1: And if you want to be able to both change it and make it visible outside, you box it. 04:45:45 ayup 04:45:49 obvious now that I think about it. 04:45:59 arcfide: Did you try removing it? (the #,#`) 04:46:25 offby1: I suspect that there's a bunch of other things that should be boxes or plain globals, but I didn't get to do a scan. 04:47:14 eli: It doesn't make a difference, it works the same regardless. 04:47:56 Do you know why the ugly version performs so much better than the more naturally implemented one? 04:48:08 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:48:08 arcfide: That's what I asked... 04:48:34 eli: You mean about the #,#`? I know, and of course, you were right. ;-) 04:48:42 eli: what's the (?<=.) in the regexp mean? The docs are pretty stingy on that subject ... 04:48:51 arcfide: #`...#,... are implemented with `with-syntax' (at least in PLT, but probably the same elsewhere). 04:49:21 arcfide: and `with-syntax' is done with some expansion to more `syntax-case', and the whole thing becomes very heavy. 04:49:28 What's the syntax for multi-line strings again? 04:50:08 eli: So, basically, mine generates a ton more syntax to go through? 04:50:14 offby1: It requires a `.' to match *before* -- so there's no need for the condition you had to see if you end up with an empty string. 04:50:22 synx: There's no portable syntax. 04:50:57 oh... 04:51:22 arcfide: It does -- that's almost for sure, but it's a question how much of that gets optimized away. I was hoping that removing the #,#` might make it faster, which will point at all of that being a bottleneck. 04:51:27 I want to inline this document is all, so I can show a parsing problem with it. 04:53:10 synx: Most Schemes use "...\n...", even more allow a real newline in the string. 04:53:25 arcfide: Why is the first version ugly, BTW? 04:53:35 eli: Well, I'm afraid I don't have the heavy test cases where this appears to matter. However, the speed I being tested here is the time it takes to expand and generate the final code. In the tests, his code takes about 22 seconds total, whereas mine takes about 30. 04:53:42 Hm, well if it's good enough for plt... 04:54:45 eli: it strikes me as very unnatural and indirect and convoluted, especially when compared to the other form. 04:55:00 arcfide: Perhaps throw a bunch of printouts to see if something is done twice. 04:55:03 Especially the use of a "selector" syntax. 04:58:23 arcfide: Yes, that's a little disturbing, looks like it manages a lack of `let-syntaxes'. 04:58:34 Yes. 04:59:02 In that case it's not uglier than ordinary code doing some `set!'s because there's no `define-values'. 04:59:43 Well... 05:01:25 arcfide: BTW, why #'id in the first? 05:01:29 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:01:54 eli: I needed to pass something to datum->syntax, and id seemed natural enough. 05:02:01 meanburrito920 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:02:29 -!- meanburrito920 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 05:02:36 Ah. We usually use #'here for that. (#'id is distracting, since it's common to have that in a pattern.) 05:02:53 https://synx.us.to/code/xmlbad.ss is very plt specific, but for some reason the xml parser is ignoring the document's prolog? Not sure what's wrong there. 05:03:11 The document validates on w3.org 05:05:42 -!- kruth [n=kruth@c-24-23-76-107.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:17:32 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 05:18:39 -!- hadronzoo [n=user@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:19:23 -!- kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:22:58 la la la 05:25:08 arcfide: ping 05:25:23 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:26:00 also "procedure application: expected procedure, given: #; arguments were: # 0 # #" um... any way to get an idea where they were expecting a procedure? 05:26:46 meanburrito9201 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:48 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176200241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:28:10 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176213255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:29:41 probably in operator position 05:31:48 operator position? 05:35:06 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 05:35:36 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has left #scheme 05:37:16 duncanm: lum de lo 05:39:18 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 05:49:39 dum de dum 05:53:59 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 05:57:03 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:57:16 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:57:26 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 06:00:25 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:04:59 duncanm: ho de do' 06:06:35 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:07:48 synx pasted "xml problem" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74559 06:08:51 foof` [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:10:44 synx annotated #74559 with "hold on let me qualify that" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74559#1 06:11:06 Anyone know what might be the problem there? ;_; 06:13:02 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:14:24 no clue. 06:14:40 Looks like a) you made some kinda mistake; b) the error reporting in the "xml" module is atrocious 06:16:49 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 06:18:00 Heh 06:18:22 I don't even know how they manage to conceal their doings so thoroughly. Maybe write-xml is some kind of un-introspectable syntax? 06:18:48 well, try mzscheme -l errortrace --require synx.ss 06:18:59 you'll get a bit of context 06:19:14 Oooh thanks 06:20:52 that...what the heck 06:21:45 -!- foof [n=user@naist-wavenet126-001.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:21:52 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 06:21:54 synx annotated #74559 with "that's all she wrote" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74559#2 06:21:57 -!- foof` is now known as foof 06:22:01 That's all it gives me. 06:23:07 heh. 06:23:11 ask eli; it's his code :) 06:23:30 odd, it's not changed since 2005 06:23:41 could you be the first person in history to exercise it? 06:24:47 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:25:01 olgen [n=jacobm@0x535f66c5.bynxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #scheme 06:25:16 ha that'll be the day 06:26:04 -!- meanburrito9201 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-252.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 06:26:27 weird what the heck is opt-lambda 06:54:35 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 06:56:40 eno__ [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 06:57:51 benny [n=benny@i577A051C.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 06:58:39 -!- eno__ [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Client Quit] 07:08:15 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:11:16 tizoc` [n=user@r190-135-17-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 07:15:02 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:15:02 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:16:52 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 07:24:33 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:26:15 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has quit [] 07:26:16 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["Where is the glory in complying with demands?"] 07:28:57 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 07:29:16 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-133-150-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:31:16 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38:06 foof [n=user@clair16.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 07:41:27 -!- Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has quit ["bbl"] 07:54:47 -!- kraant_ is now known as kraant 07:55:08 mike [n=mike@dslb-088-066-225-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 07:55:34 -!- mike is now known as Guest94556 08:00:34 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #scheme 08:06:44 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 08:12:43 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:27:18 -!- saccade [n=saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:32:09 -!- geckosen1tor [n=sean@68.73.98.69] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:40:14 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has quit [] 08:42:44 ejs [n=eugen@94-248-68-101.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 08:43:43 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 08:44:00 newb12345 [n=x@DNab43896b.Stanford.EDU] has joined #scheme 08:44:07 i'm thinking of leaving irc for a while 08:44:16 what mailing list is best replacement for #scheme? 08:44:30 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 08:44:36 -!- Guest94556 [n=mike@dslb-088-066-225-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:45:10 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 08:54:39 newb12345: comp.lang.scheme 08:55:01 Anyone know what the dotted boxes around articles means on reddit? 08:56:04 foof: i'm a newb, mailing list == newsgroup? 08:56:30 mike [n=mike@dslb-088-066-225-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 08:57:00 -!- mike is now known as Guest88194 09:03:37 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:06:25 newb12345 : no 09:07:14 newsgroups are accessed with the NNTP protocol 09:07:29 mailing lists are used by ordinary email 09:07:52 though some email clients are also newsgroup clients 09:09:01 raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 09:10:00 I often fantasize about a newsgroup protocol where you can't be impersonated. 09:11:23 something spam resistant enough we could even communicate on non-boring topics 09:13:13 most ISPs are already phasing newsgroups out though, so I really don't know what to do at this point. 09:14:26 -!- Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [] 09:14:47 alaricsp_ [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 09:16:01 rfgpfeiffer [n=rfgpfeif@e178226082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 09:17:30 -!- newb12345 [n=x@DNab43896b.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:19:42 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:20:05 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94-248-68-101.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:21:10 -!- Guest88194 [n=mike@dslb-088-066-225-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:29:57 attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 09:30:08 twitter!1!!!!!1!! 09:30:36 *sladegen* nie je sniadania... 09:31:02 *sladegen* oopses speaking wrong language in the unslept-o-night-morning ;) 09:31:57 *sladegen* doesn't eat breakfast (for the polish challenged). 09:32:32 -!- alaricsp_ [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:33:55 impomatic [n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk] has joined #scheme 09:34:13 is there some kind of typesetting framework like LaTeX in Scheme where you write your text and expressions into nested sexps ? 09:38:04 -!- impomatic [n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk] has quit ["programming @ http://tr.im/xey"] 09:44:50 -!- patmaddox [n=pergesu@ip68-4-201-9.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [] 10:00:27 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 10:01:09 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 10:01:11 Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has joined #scheme 10:02:59 -!- jberg [n=moo@77.16.102.211.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:03:52 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #scheme 10:03:53 sladegen : could you translate to reverse polish ? 10:10:22 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 10:12:56 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 10:15:08 X-Scale: slatex 10:15:13 i think 10:17:15 oh...must check it then 10:18:01 ski_: sniadania nie je (operator in postfix position) 10:22:32 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:28:14 gorki [n=chatzill@p54A7E3E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 10:31:01 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-154.naist.jp] has quit [] 10:49:26 -!- troter [n=troter@nurikabe.timedia.co.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 10:52:07 tr3 [n=tr3@host28-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 11:00:56 X-Scale: it's not slatex. But i've seen what you want. Don't remember if is was something out of the PLT, but i suspect it was 11:01:13 anyway, someone else here must know 11:03:21 scribe maybe? 11:05:20 I think that's bigloo, not PLT 11:05:41 http://www-sop.inria.fr/mimosa/fp/Skribe/ 11:05:47 (it got renamed to skribe) 11:10:01 borism [n=boris@195-50-211-134-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 11:14:09 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-211-166-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:21:13 there is brtlang or some such... aka "beatutiful language" 11:21:36 hosted on sf.net (wiki mentions it iirc) 11:46:02 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [] 11:59:43 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 12:04:59 athos [n=philipp@p54B8597D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:07:10 -!- rfgpfeiffer [n=rfgpfeif@e178226082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #scheme 12:08:23 -!- tizoc` is now known as tizoc 12:12:49 thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has joined #scheme 12:24:05 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [] 12:29:50 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.141] has joined #scheme 12:30:51 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.141] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 12:30:52 -!- raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31:35 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.235.56.141] has joined #scheme 12:32:04 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 12:37:24 tizoc` [n=user@r190-135-51-93.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 12:37:51 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-203-69.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:37:52 -!- tizoc` is now known as tizoc_ 12:39:05 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-17-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:43:24 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 12:44:10 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 12:44:11 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:26 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:45:45 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 12:45:57 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:56 -!- foof [n=user@clair16.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:48:41 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 12:50:57 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:51:55 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 12:53:07 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-194.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 13:11:49 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:14:50 foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 13:15:27 mike [n=mike@88.66.225.149] has joined #scheme 13:16:01 -!- mike is now known as Guest40194 13:17:52 -!- Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B53DB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:18:09 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 13:20:11 Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B55FD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:24:41 gcopenhaver [n=greg@c-71-206-116-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:26:23 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 13:32:10 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 13:54:25 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:05:30 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 14:07:34 -!- kraant [n=kraant@CPE-58-161-128-2.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:11:36 i'm looking for a small, self-contained implementation of scheme that implements the full standard; does anyone have any recommendations? i've been using TinyScheme, but it's a little too tiny. 14:12:30 debugging and readline support would be nice 14:16:04 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:16:53 0_o 14:17:01 nobody here but us chickens, my good man 14:17:26 pizza__: I think "scm" is small. Dunno how complete it is, though 14:17:50 ikarus seems small, and it aims at complete R6RS conformance. It's also shiny and new 14:18:07 whatcha gonna use it for? 14:18:16 i'll take a look, thanks. i've found lists of scheme implementations, but i just thought i'd ask before i slogged through every one 14:18:23 whatcha gonna use it for? 14:18:31 just re-discovering scheme, playing around 14:18:37 ah 14:18:41 i want to try some "genetic programming" 14:18:53 even though PLT is anything but small, I'm quite fond of it 14:19:06 the other big names are chicken, gambit, and MIT. 14:19:13 what about guile? 14:19:14 MIT is most certainly not small. 14:19:31 guile is rumored to be slow, but is probably not hard to build. 14:19:44 people here pretty much despise guile, but I can never remember why. 14:19:50 It's the one I started with. 14:20:02 your question is a common one but hard to answer :) 14:20:13 i understand :) 14:20:15 I'd _almost_ recommend you investigate the one whose web site is spiffiest. 14:20:21 I'm at least partly serious. 14:20:47 any, PLT is by far my favorite, and would be great for playing around. As I say, though, it ain't small. 14:21:08 yeah, it looks like its ~10x larger than everything else 14:21:18 i'll just have to experiment 14:24:38 I'd prefer chicken 14:24:55 how do i express integers in hexadecimal? 0xF doesn't seem to work 14:25:23 If 'full standard' is r5rs of course 14:25:32 and 0h doesn't seem to work either 14:25:42 Mr-Cat: yup 14:26:15 Mr-Cat_ [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has joined #scheme 14:27:17 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:28:22 pizza__: you can get readline with rlwrap or running from inside emacs 14:29:18 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-51-93.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:29:22 On the other hand, debugging is important, and tinyscheme manages to be tiny by being an overall shitty implementation. What it saves in executable size, you will pay for 10x in memory usage compared to other implementations. 14:30:08 rudybot: eval #xf 14:30:10 *offby1: ; Value: 15 14:30:13 i'm sure; i just wanted to start small, that's all 14:30:20 rlwrap works great, thanks 14:30:37 offby1: thanks 14:31:28 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:32:05 rudybot: eval integer? #xf.0 14:32:05 pizza__: ; Value: 15.0 14:32:10 rudybot: eval (integer? #xf.0) 14:32:10 pizza__: ; Value: #t 14:32:34 -!- nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@12-226-78-3.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:33:53 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 14:36:25 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-37-110.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 14:38:46 bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable027.191-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:42:59 rudybot: eval (/ 1 #xffffffff) 14:42:59 pizza__: ; Value: 1/4294967295 14:45:13 rudybot: eval #b11 14:45:13 pizza__: ; Value: 3 14:45:14 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 14:47:45 -!- pizza_ [n=pizza_@poipu/supporter/pizza-milkshake] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:47:46 -!- pizza__ is now known as pizza_ 14:47:46 -!- pizza_ [n=pizza@66.152.246.202] has quit [Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 14:47:59 pizza_ [n=pizza@66.152.246.202] has joined #scheme 14:48:00 pizza__ [n=pizza_@ool-457e7c9d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 14:48:57 -!- athos [n=philipp@p54B8597D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:53:42 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 15:02:40 Cale_ [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 15:03:06 -!- Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:03:12 -!- Cale_ is now known as Cale 15:05:21 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:10:28 pizza__: PLT is not *that* big if you give up on the extras that you get. 15:11:22 pizza__: Trying out my tree I get: 212m for the whole thing, 131m after removing the docs, and 43m after removing drscheme and all the gui stuff and the web-server etc. 15:11:30 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-37-110.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:11:53 -!- Guest40194 [n=mike@88.66.225.149] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:11:53 -!- ski__ [n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se] has quit [clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:12:23 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-63-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 15:12:24 eli: ok thanks 15:13:30 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 15:14:16 ski__ [n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se] has joined #scheme 15:17:18 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 15:17:51 Guest40194 [n=mike@dslb-088-066-225-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 15:26:41 weekend at last! maybe i can get my release out finally 15:27:02 csaunders [n=chris@ip216-239-87-106.vif.net] has joined #scheme 15:27:41 hello everyone 15:28:32 -!- olgen [n=jacobm@0x535f66c5.bynxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:28:34 -!- yhara [n=yhara@7.193.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:28:37 leppie: Are you preparing some considerable improvements? 15:29:23 i have some questions about scheme programming... they are probably really simple to answer though :( 15:29:27 i have made some considerable performence improvements recently (more to come still) 15:30:14 and some more libraries added, and more bug fixes, but thats about it 15:31:09 but my dayjob is taking all my time now, so i want to get it out, as I wanted to do last weekend, but the FFI stuff held me up 15:31:40 csaunders: don't hesitate to ask 15:32:47 alright, I have a function that pretty much tests to see that my arguments are lists. If they are lists I just want to display some text. Unfortunately, scheme kinda freaks out and throws some exception about #. 15:32:58 which I do understand to be the return value of (display) 15:33:18 how can I devour or somehow dump these return values so that my program doesn't break? 15:33:48 (random 1.0) ; doesn't work in plt-scheme, do i need to (import) something? i'm confused 15:33:50 csaunders: just put a dummy expression, like #t or 'ok after display 15:34:09 pizza_: usr (random) 15:34:16 s/usr/use/ 15:34:24 rudybot: doc random 15:34:30 eli: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference%2Fnumbers.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._random)) 15:34:38 csaunders: But be careful: If scheme complains - that means, that you're trying to use the value, returned by the function somewhere 15:34:47 > (random) 15:34:49 reference to undefined identifier: random 15:35:13 offby1: Bah! There's a bug in `doc' -- it encodes the `/' which is wrong... 15:35:21 that URL doesn't go anywhere, but i'm at the documentation 15:35:23 pizza_: Are you working in r5rs, by any chance? 15:35:52 Mr-Cat_: so something like this? ((display "hello world") #t)? 15:35:54 i'll use whatever works 15:36:03 i see there's plt-r[56]rs 15:36:12 Or should the function both return, whether an argument is a list and print that? 15:36:14 :-| 15:36:23 pizza_: Yes, the `%2F' should be a bug (which is what I told offby1 about) 15:36:34 does r5rs not (random)? 15:36:36 well I pretty much just want to give the user some feedback telling them that they made a mistake or whatnot. 15:36:38 not have* 15:37:14 Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has joined #scheme 15:37:20 offby1: Look in the file for the first use of `uri-encode' (over (substring file ...)) and just remove it (the `uri-encode' call, not the whole thing) 15:37:46 pizza_: No, r5rs doesn't have a lot in it. 15:38:08 yeah, I'm there already 15:38:55 pizza_: But you can grab what you need from PLT using (#%require (only scheme random)) for example. 15:39:01 csaunders: Check, where is the value, returned by the function used 15:39:22 yikes 15:40:15 -!- Mr-Cat_ [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:40:21 plt-r6r5 otoh complains about there not being an "import" on the top level of my program 15:40:42 there is no random in R6RS 15:40:50 rudybot: eval (begin (display (display "ehlo")) #t) 15:40:50 sladegen: ; Value: #t 15:40:51 sladegen: ; stdout: "ehlo#" 15:41:07 olgen [n=jacobm@0x535f66c5.bynxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #scheme 15:41:57 oh well, time to write one 15:41:57 wastrel__ [n=wastrel@li15-44.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 15:42:29 Write what? `random'? 15:42:43 rudybot: doc random 15:42:45 eli: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference%2Fnumbers.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._random)) 15:42:55 incubot: random srfi? 15:42:56 (define (random) 42) 15:42:57 did you managed the random-strategy thing ? 15:43:06 (offby1: I thought you'd fix it and have it reloaded...) 15:43:33 *eli* sighs 15:44:04 bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:44:33 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:45:41 rudybot: doc random 15:45:45 *offby1: http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/numbers.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._random)) 15:45:52 eli: Oh impatient one 15:46:00 rudybot: uptime 15:46:00 *offby1: I've been up for one day, ten hours; this tcp/ip connection has been up for thirteen hours, twenty-eight minutes 15:47:08 rudybot: source 15:47:08 *offby1: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot/tree/4dde792d30b1086979e11e51ecdae0165de085b2 15:47:47 what's with the *? 15:48:08 sladegen: that's sort of a root prompt 15:48:13 it reminds me that I have God-like powers 15:48:20 rudybot: system ls / 15:48:20 *offby1: /bin/sh: ls: not found 15:48:23 heh 15:48:27 well, demi-God like 15:48:44 rudybot: system /bin/ls / 15:48:44 *offby1: bin boot cdrom core cozi debootstrap dev etc home initrd initrd.img initrd.img.old lib lost+found media mnt opt proc root sbin srv sys tmp usr var vmlinuz vmlinuz.old 15:48:45 offby1: That's because you kill your PATH... 15:48:49 bowel-like. 15:48:49 eli: yep 15:48:50 -!- wastrel__ is now known as wastrel 15:50:30 offby1: Speaking about `dynamic-wind'... 15:51:24 mm? 15:52:08 save and restore the environment when doing master-like things? 15:52:17 offby1: Doing something like temporarily setting PATH is what it does well. 15:52:25 *offby1* nods 15:52:31 offby1: http://tmp.barzilay.org/rudybot/ 15:52:44 noo! Not MORE donated code!! 15:52:47 where will I put it all?! 15:53:00 Moves the path stuff to a separate `call-with-PATH' which can be used in the `system' verb. 15:53:27 That's just a simple change, you can apply it directly. 15:53:33 yep 15:53:56 I didn't get it used in `system', but you can deal with that easily... 15:57:01 Adamant [n=Adamant@AASU-101-61.Armstrong.EDU] has joined #scheme 15:57:09 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:00:29 yep 16:01:01 -!- decker [n=chatzill@71-93-181-7.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:03:09 langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:05:09 -!- olgen [n=jacobm@0x535f66c5.bynxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 16:07:39 dfeuer [n=David@wikimedia/Dfeuer] has joined #scheme 16:12:26 chupish [n=sedwards@waffle.aip.org] has joined #scheme 16:13:30 -!- rotty_ [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:13:34 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 16:31:15 how do i get a stack trace in plt? 16:32:27 is there any general way to debug scheme code from the console? 16:33:45 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:36:11 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw560169.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:36:32 pizza_: pass "-l errortrace" to mzscheme; that'll give you more info in your stack traces. 16:36:33 none of the errors specify a current function name or source code line, making it hard to know what is failing 16:36:43 If you're not already getting a stack trace, though, I dunno if it'll help 16:37:53 ah, mzscheme's errors are much more helpful than plt's 16:38:54 when you say "plt's", I assume you mean "drscheme"? 16:39:01 or do you mean "plt-r5rs"? 16:39:26 plt-r5rs 16:39:28 ah 16:39:38 I have a sneaking suspicion that nobody actually uses plt-r5rs 16:39:51 i guess everyone programs in a gui these days 16:39:59 or mzscheme; that's what I and rudybot use 16:40:08 tizoc` [n=user@r190-135-56-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 16:40:18 OK, now I'm _really_ going to work. 16:40:36 -!- tizoc` is now known as tizoc_ 16:40:48 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-63-41.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:40:51 -!- tizoc_ is now known as tizoc 16:45:49 saccade [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TWELVE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 16:48:19 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:53:12 orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEFCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:55:21 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Miranda@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:55:48 eno__ [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 16:57:09 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 16:57:48 geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-73-98-69.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:59:44 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw560169.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:59:57 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:11 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 17:00:54 luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has joined #scheme 17:01:40 -!- r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has quit [Client Quit] 17:02:09 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 17:03:38 jimi_hendrix [n=jimi__he@unaffiliated/jimihendrix/x-735601] has joined #scheme 17:03:59 any way i could make a python script and scheme program interact with each other (such as share values) 17:05:22 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 17:06:45 You'd do it the same way you'd make a Python script and a C program interact. 17:08:09 ok 17:08:38 make the module in scheme and run it in python 17:08:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:08:55 jah [n=jah@184.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 17:13:51 tizoc` [n=user@r190-135-0-160.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 17:14:56 Either establish them in separate processes, communicating through pipes or sockets or shmem, or else compile the Scheme, then have Python call into the Scheme via Python's FFI. 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Not the comfy chair! 17:26:10 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:26:49 pizza_: I program in emacs in a shell... but that's still considered a gui by many 17:29:11 -!- incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:30:19 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:30:21 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:30:23 Daemmeru` [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 17:30:54 incubot [n=incubot@66-215-93-47.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 17:31:11 jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 17:31:24 programming with here documents is tempting at times 17:34:01 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:34:17 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 17:37:36 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:40:49 Judofyr [n=Judofyr@95.34.27.156.customer.cdi.no] has joined #scheme 17:46:51 saccade_ [n=saccade_@COMBINATOR.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:52:20 nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@12-226-78-3.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 17:53:41 -!- saccade [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-THREE-TWELVE.MIT.EDU] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:58:03 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["¬"] 18:01:58 bhz- [n=rack@cpe-065-190-059-116.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:21:47 saccade [n=saccade@MCNAIR-TWO-NINETY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:22:32 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:22:51 -!- saccade [n=saccade@MCNAIR-TWO-NINETY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 18:23:51 moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has joined #scheme 18:31:33 does anyone know how to get rid of the never-ending stream of DrScheme error popup dialogs about saving preferences? 18:34:54 jak3 [n=cano@c-66-177-236-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:38:46 meanburrito920 [n=meanburr@adsl-76-236-79-250.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:43:20 saccade [n=saccade@MCNAIR-TWO-NINETY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 18:55:51 dudrenov [n=user@h-67-101-217-41.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #scheme 18:58:52 i'm trying to figure out how to enable the (current-seconds) function in DrScheme, does anyone know? 18:59:07 reference to undefined identifier: current-seconds 18:59:27 it's listed in the documentation though http://docs.plt-scheme.org/reference/time.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._current-seconds)) 19:02:53 -!- gorki [n=chatzill@p54A7E3E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03:36 -!- nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@12-226-78-3.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:05:40 (load 'time') ??? 19:07:08 i'm just a noob but i don't think 'time' will ever work 19:09:53 melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 19:11:54 Select pretty big? 19:21:46 strange, I just installed mzscheme to test it (i was using mit-scheme) and it gave me the error: lib: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found: "scheme" in any of: (# #) in: (lib "scheme/init") 19:21:50 when it booted... 19:32:41 Nichibutsu [n=myfabse@wikipedia/Track-n-Field] has joined #scheme 19:34:46 bombshel1er13 [n=bombshel@142.204.133.123] has joined #scheme 19:40:55 jmo- [n=jmo-@83.233.243.145] has joined #scheme 19:48:36 -!- forcer [n=forcer@g224066213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:55:57 Arelius [n=Indy@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has joined #scheme 19:59:08 i have plt scheme 19:59:11 i installed it from their site 19:59:36 me too, yay 20:00:07 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:15:02 incubot: anacronymify PLT! 20:26:32 is there an equivalent of car, cadr, etc. for operating on the end of a list? 20:26:58 That doesn't make a lot of sense 20:26:58 (car (reverse lst)) 20:26:59 Perhaps (car (reverse L)) 20:27:07 -!- Daemmeru` is now known as Daemmerung 20:27:11 minion: chant 20:27:11 MORE OFTEN 20:27:13 pizza_: Think of them as cons pairs, not as lists 20:27:20 Mo' betta' 20:27:31 or should i do (car (reverse l)) and (cadr (reverse l))... in this case the lists are small, but it seems like reversing the entire list just to pick one item is ineffeicient 20:27:44 inefficient* 20:27:44 Exactly 20:27:57 It depends on how you're using the lists 20:28:12 If you're using them more like fixed-width arrays, you should consider switching to vectors 20:28:17 Those have O(1) access 20:28:53 ok 20:29:27 Or just store the list in reverse, so you need to do that only once :) 20:32:41 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw560169.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:34:55 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 20:41:08 ejs1 [n=eugen@94-248-47-246.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 20:45:59 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:47:39 rudybot: chant 20:47:39 eli: ? 20:47:51 pfft. 20:47:56 rudybot: wiggle 20:47:56 leppie: ? 20:48:04 pizza_, use LAST 20:48:22 (you can implement it in various ways) 20:48:44 mr-slave [n=luser@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 20:48:51 mr-slave: chant 20:48:52 minion: chant 20:48:52 MORE LIKE FIXED 20:50:04 pizza_: There are these things: 20:50:17 mr-slave: (take-right '(1 2 3 4 5 6) 2) 20:50:17 *eli: ? 20:50:23 mr-slave: eval (take-right '(1 2 3 4 5 6) 2) 20:50:24 *eli: ; Value: (5 6) 20:50:55 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-12-86.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:51:56 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-10-232.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 20:55:04 patmaddox [n=pergesu@ip68-4-201-9.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:57:41 minion: chant 20:57:41 MORE LIKE FIXED 20:57:59 SOME LIKE IT BROKEN 20:58:19 sepisultrum [n=enigma@ks35219.kimsufi.com] has joined #scheme 20:58:24 sounds liek a 80's pop song :p 20:59:57 Hi. Is the r6rs scheme still "lacking" behind common lisp in regard to many features? I'd like to write a mode-line for stumpwm but am not sure if I should write it in cl or rather some scheme. 21:00:09 lol 21:00:18 what's mode-line? 21:00:24 task bar 21:00:27 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw560169.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 21:00:34 emacs lacks features relative to common lisp 21:00:39 *elly* ducks 21:00:39 some status bar that lists windows and stuff 21:01:00 elly :))) 21:01:13 hi vixey :) 21:01:16 im not sure that r6rs will help in that respect, you just need solid/easy-to-use ffi 21:01:29 plt's ffi is fun 21:01:41 so I need decent suport for X11. I've always found clx quite difficult and wonder if xlib bindings in scheme are easier to use 21:02:07 some of the r6rs people are kind of bending towards a minimal ffi layer 21:02:10 So what is new in r6rs? 21:02:31 there are not many libraries like that yet 21:02:34 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:02:55 I've seen that chicken scheme has xlib bindings 21:02:57 aquanaut [n=user@static-141-157-25-210.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:15 use that then :) 21:03:19 hehe 21:03:29 are they r6rs yet? 21:03:46 Of course people in #scheme won't recommend to use cl 21:03:55 dunno 21:04:17 i never used cl, got put off all those namespace crap 21:05:01 What I like about many scheme implementations, is that they can often compile to compact binaries. SBCL produces huge binaries for example :( 21:05:45 I guess I'll just stick with cl and learn it a little better and try to understand clx 21:05:59 that would also integrate better with stumpwm 21:06:02 leppie: Chicken is not r6rs "yet", and doesn't intend to implement r6rs 21:06:36 neither does mit-scheme, leppie 21:06:58 interesting, I thought chicken uses psyntax, and made a wrong assumption 21:08:20 I don't think it does 21:08:30 It used psyntax for syntax-case compatibility 21:08:31 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@71-14-81-211.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [] 21:08:37 then i remember wrong :*( 21:08:42 ah 21:10:52 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw560169.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13:01 -!- jah [n=jah@184.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:14:38 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 21:15:12 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-10-232.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:16:04 geckosen1tor [n=sean@adsl-68-73-98-69.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:03 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-27-220.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:18:06 If you want to write a mode-line for stumpwm, I don't see any way to do so in Scheme. 21:19:07 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-73-98-69.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:22:52 -!- jimi_hendrix [n=jimi__he@unaffiliated/jimihendrix/x-735601] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:25:56 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 21:26:10 has anyone in here ever used a date/time function of any kind? 21:26:25 -!- luz [n=davids@139.82.89.70] has quit ["Client exiting"] 21:26:26 if so, how? i'm using plt-scheme/drscheme 21:28:10 I've used srfi-19 once 21:28:15 It's a bit unwieldy but it works 21:28:55 ok, what does that mean? 21:29:16 Have a look at http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-19/srfi-19.html 21:29:28 I'm sure PLT includes an implementation of that 21:32:20 it has lots of stuff in it, but i can't figure out how to activate it 21:32:41 reference to undefined identifier: current-time 21:33:31 You should probably look for how to load libraries in the manual 21:33:49 (might be under the name of "module" instead) 21:33:52 i find reference to (load), (import), (require) 21:34:25 prolly require and/or import 21:34:42 reference to undefined identifier: import 21:34:55 reference to undefined identifier: require 21:35:00 ... 21:35:12 language levels? 21:35:13 this is in DrScheme 21:35:35 i've selected R5RS for the "language..." 21:35:56 ah, r5rs is strictly r5rs, which doesn't have require/import 21:36:06 You probably need something like "pretty big" 21:36:11 ok 21:36:42 does scheme have a multiline comment? 21:36:54 There's #| ... |# 21:37:01 (nonstandard, but works almost everywhere) 21:38:19 thanks 21:40:21 exexex [n=chatzill@85.101.21.41] has joined #scheme 21:41:20 pizza_: You should (#%require (only scheme current-seconds)) if you want it in 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(car args)) (apply std+ args))((string? (car args)) (apply string-append args))((list? (car args)) (apply map std+ args))))) 22:33:33 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:34:57 -!- saccade [n=saccade@MCNAIR-TWO-NINETY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:35:05 amoe [n=amoe@cpc1-brig3-0-0-cust512.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #scheme 22:35:27 rudybot: eval (+ "ab" "cd" "ef") 22:35:27 X-Scale: ; Value: "abcdef" 22:35:44 rudybot: eval (+ '(1 2 3 4) '(1 2 3 4)) 22:35:47 X-Scale: error: with-limit: out of time 22:36:36 strange...it works on DrScheme. 22:39:54 evening. Using the PLT 'xml' library, the procedure 'make-element' calls the 5-argument version found in 'private/syntax.ss', rather than the 3-argument version from 'private/structures.ss' as the documentation implies... 22:40:14 v4.0.2, btw, so possibly fixed since... 22:40:49 will try now 22:41:30 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:42:27 jdelgado [n=jdelgado@192.Red-88-24-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:45:14 rudybot: eval (begin (define std+ +) (define (+ . args) (apply std+ args))) 22:45:28 rudybot: eval (+ 1 2) 22:45:31 X-Scale: error: with-limit: out of time 22:45:40 -!- jdelgado [n=jdelgado@192.Red-88-24-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 22:45:41 rudybot: eval (exit) 22:45:42 X-Scale: error: evaluator: terminated (exited) 22:45:47 rudybot: eval (begin (define std+ +) (define (* . args) (apply std+ args))) 22:45:52 rudybot: eval (+ 1 2) 22:45:52 vixey: ; Value: 3 22:45:57 rudybot: eval (* 1 2) 22:45:57 vixey: ; Value: 3 22:46:29 drdo [n=drdo@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 22:48:45 rudybot: eval (banner) 22:48:45 amoe: ; Value: "Welcome to MzScheme v4.1.4 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2009 PLT Scheme Inc.\n" 22:48:50 rudybot: eval (begin (define std+ +) (define (+ . args) (cond ((number? (car args)) (apply std+ args))((string? (car args)) (apply string-append args))((list? (car args)) (apply map std+ args))))) 22:49:05 rudybot: eval (+ 1 2 3) 22:49:05 X-Scale: ; Value: 6 22:49:17 rudybot: eval (+ "ab" "cd " "123") 22:49:17 X-Scale: ; Value: "abcd 123" 22:49:27 rudybot: eval (+ '(1 2 3 4) '(1 2 3 4)) 22:49:28 X-Scale: ; Value: (2 4 6 8) 22:49:30 ok 22:51:25 rudybot confirms that the 'make-element' problem also occurs on 4.1.4... 22:59:04 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:00:12 ray [i=ray@unaffiliated/ray] has joined #scheme 23:07:05 rudybot: eval (+ '(1 2 3 4) '(1 2 3 4)) 23:07:05 Mr-Cat: error: +: expects type as 1st argument, given: (1 2 3 4); other arguments were: (1 2 3 4) 23:07:06 raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:07:45 X-Scale: Is it some kind of mzscheme's extension to scheme? 23:08:01 No, just simple R5RS code 23:08:11 [22:49:23] rudybot: eval (begin (define std+ +) (define (+ . args) (cond ((number? (car args)) (apply std+ args))((string? (car args)) (apply string-append args))((list? (car args)) (apply map std+ args))))) 23:08:47 basically i was trying to figure out if operator overloading was easy to write in lisp/scheme 23:08:50 X-Scale: Didn't notice that 23:10:27 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["*bork bork*"] 23:13:20 rudybot: eval (+ 1 2) 23:13:20 proq: ; Value: 3 23:13:35 Apparently It is... 23:14:09 -!- drdo [n=drdo@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:14:14 rudybot: eval (+ '(1 2 3 4) '(4 3 2 1)) 23:14:15 X-Scale: error: +: expects type as 1st argument, given: (1 2 3 4); other arguments were: (4 3 2 1) 23:14:22 rudybot: eval (define + /) 23:14:28 rudybot: eval (begin (define std+ +) (define (+ . args) (cond ((number? (car args)) (apply std+ args))((string? (car args)) (apply string-append args))((list? (car args)) (apply map std+ args))))) 23:14:31 rudybot: eval (+ '(1 2 3 4) '(4 3 2 1)) 23:14:31 X-Scale: ; Value: (5 5 5 5) 23:14:32 rudybot: eval (+ 2 4) 23:14:32 proq: ; Value: 1/2 23:15:02 drdo [n=drdo@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 23:16:16 I'm still amazed how powerful lisp/scheme is 23:16:31 -!- csaunders [n=chris@ip216-239-87-106.vif.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:16:32 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056251.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:16:42 csaunders [n=chris@ip216-239-86-17.vif.net] has joined #scheme 23:17:19 I wonder, wherer someone has already implemented something like 'overload' macro, so one does not need to overload in 2 steps: (define std+ +) (define+ ... 23:17:41 Good question. 23:18:27 That would not be a complicated macro, but it's the first idea, which comes to me when I think about overloading 23:18:29 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:18:55 rudybot: ? 23:18:55 proq: ? 23:19:21 proq: mutual misunderstanding? :P 23:20:45 Mr-Cat: no, I'm trying to fail the turing test, silly 23:20:51 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 23:21:57 A worthy goal 23:24:01 If freenode used captchas, we could fail turing tests four or even five time more often 23:24:27 Mr-Cat, I've seen that done before 23:25:05 vixey: on freenode? 23:25:24 yes 23:25:38 Sounds a bit bizzare 23:26:06 yesterday I found on google video a nice set of lectures for Dan Friedman's 60th birthday...around 20 ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2726904509434151616) 23:26:12 Sussman is a funny guy 23:26:49 the rest of them are on "More from user" 23:27:15 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["Disconnecting from stoned server."] 23:27:24 He has lost weight 23:27:25 rtra [n=rtra@89.181.50.147] has joined #scheme 23:27:53 Who, Sussman? 23:27:57 Is that Sussman? I've never seen him before... 23:28:00 yes 23:28:06 hm 23:28:10 and yes 23:28:19 *sjamaan* has the Friedman birthday videos on his todo list 23:28:21 He is charismatic 23:28:33 smart guy 23:28:49 Sussman is geeky 23:30:04 *Mr-Cat* is going to wash up and then watch the video 23:31:36 this video is great 23:34:28 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 23:34:54 Mr-Cat_ [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:34:54 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:37:17 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFEFCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38:46 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:43:06 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 23:45:03 synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:47:20 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:49:03 -!- raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:52:49 -!- drdo [n=drdo@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit ["Changing server"] 23:52:55 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 23:56:24 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-230-134.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:56:35 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:57:20 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:57:42 rtra_ [n=rtra@89.180.52.205] has joined #scheme 23:58:46 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-45-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme