00:05:22 What is broken may be PLaneT. I'll send some mail. 00:06:43 Nm 00:06:48 Got it working 00:07:10 (require (planet schematics/xmlrpc:4:0/xmlrpc)) in repl installed the package properly 00:07:20 seems that 00:09:17 Right, seems to work properly 00:11:10 Indeed, I tried it twice from REPL and twice from planet.exe command line, with inconsistent results. Something is rotten in Denmark, or more likely, in Boston. 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05:14:04 finally 05:14:15 i've been feeling like everyone's ignoring me today 05:14:42 offby1: i saw that git on windows article, and now i'm having 2nd thoughts 05:15:03 offby1: but then, i thought about the git staging area, and i realized that mercurial is prolly the better choice 05:15:05 I kinda distrust msysgit 05:15:48 Have I shown you this: http://offby1-whining.blogspot.com/search/label/msysgit 05:15:57 Note the bit about autocrlf and filemodes -- very important 05:16:02 nobody tells you about those 05:16:21 the git staging area doesn't bother me. 05:17:30 offby1: i now work in a bio lab with a bunch of biologists, i think hg's gonna have a much easier learning curve for them than git 05:18:11 biologists being dumb? 05:18:12 :) 05:18:21 hg does seem simpler and better documented :-| 05:18:30 I suspect it has its disadvantages, too 05:18:36 dunno what they are yet. Haven't used it enough. 05:18:51 But to me, working nicely on Windows is worth a lot. 05:19:04 i think all knowledge of git and hg has reached parity 05:20:44 *offby1* is supernaturally tired 05:24:32 supernatual is being tired yet hacking. 05:25:25 (equal? "supernatual" "tired yet hacking") 05:25:36 rudybot: eval (equal? "supernatual" "tired yet hacking") 05:25:37 eli: ; Value: #t 05:25:40 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has joined #scheme 05:26:08 -!- mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:27:44 -!- tjafk2 [n=timj@e176205183.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28:01 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176223220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:29:49 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-232-155.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["Where is the glory in complying with demands?"] 05:43:57 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:47:51 *Daemmerung* makes a note to pester offby1 every time he has the slightest confusion about msysgit 05:51:51 -!- jso [n=user@151.159.200.8] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 05:54:53 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 05:59:49 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@pool-71-123-201-238.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:07:26 offby1, your blag links don't include any link to mine. 06:13:42 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 06:21:04 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 06:24:21 -!- banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:24:42 Riastradh: ping 06:25:05 i heard you have an awesome pattern matching (as in erlang/haskell) library 06:25:10 tell mea bout it 06:25:33 foof wrote ; perhaps that is what you have in mind. 06:34:00 banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #scheme 06:43:01 -!- raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:44:43 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 06:47:31 so is there no gdb for scheme i can't run a *.scm file, step through it, break on crtain functions, continue when I want to, watch other functions, etc ... 06:48:37 -!- cads_ [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:49:29 Not that works with any arbitrary Scheme implementation. You can do all of those in MIT Scheme, however, and all but stepping in Scheme48. 06:51:45 csi also supports these athough single-stepping is a bit verbose 06:52:12 oh, how do I do break and continue in csi? 06:54:25 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:55:28 use ,? for help 06:56:08 proq: the editor is under gpl 06:57:02 I was unaware that csi could do such 06:57:22 yeah, the ,step EXPR may even print local objects via format ... i have ot test this out 06:58:19 any chance that this is integrated into emacs? 07:01:18 Arelius: hahahaha 07:01:30 zbigniew: why is this so unreasonble? 07:01:58 Never said it was ;) 07:02:02 hml: cause chicken emacs support is crappy. 07:02:05 in general 07:02:15 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:02:31 I've had to do some resonable hacking just to get hen.el to load in my version of emacs 07:02:45 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:02:51 mm, i always forget about hen.el ... never used it myself 07:04:13 yeah, not sure if it is worth it 07:05:42 oh man, if every time csi executes a command 07:05:47 it can jump me around in my emacs buffer showing the sexp 07:05:50 it'd be fucking amazing 07:05:53 i'd pay to use this 07:06:53 geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-23-87-156.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 07:06:55 -!- elf_ [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:06:59 elf [i=elf@antenora.aculei.net] has joined #scheme 07:07:02 Yeah, It'd be nice 07:07:11 Do it! 07:07:19 I've thought about spending time improving chicken emacs support 07:07:31 and it's about #4 on my todo list atm 07:07:55 Arelius: what are 3, 2, 1, and 0 ? 07:09:44 well 1 is finishing up my image viewing app. 07:10:01 2 is getting my scheme compiler running on llvm compiling 07:10:20 and 3 is some other emacs scheme enhancements 07:10:45 i think you should move 4 to 0 07:10:50 they're the same modulo 4! 07:11:18 hehe, well luckily #3 and #4 would both improve #1 07:11:20 of those 5 numbers, thehy're also the only ones that are both even & a square 07:11:24 also mod 1 07:19:59 tihonov [n=kef@kefeer2.convex.ru] has joined #scheme 07:21:46 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:23:16 *mejja* pets his acer aspire one 07:26:39 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:28:20 how can i pass optional arguments to define-macro ? 07:28:43 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@pool-71-123-201-238.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:29:38 hml: same way as to a procedure 07:29:55 and how do I do that? 07:31:03 #;7> (define-macro (foo x . rest) `(list ',x ',rest)) 07:31:04 #;8> (foo a b c d) 07:31:04 (a (b c d)) 07:31:47 hmm, this doesn't seem like optional arguments to me 07:31:51 i am asking the wrong question 07:32:25 certain built in functions let you pass along something else, like an equality comparison function, but using funky notation involving ":" or "#'" 07:33:08 hml: those *are* macros in fact 07:33:31 they parse what you gave after the dot in ". rest" 07:34:17 hml, be sure you're talking about Scheme, not Common Lisp. 07:34:33 i'm fairly sure i have seen this in scheme code too 07:34:53 Riastradh: some Schemes provide this, even SRFIs 07:34:54 Perhaps you have seen #' in Scheme, but probably not related to optional arguments. 07:35:16 pierpa [n=user@host202-182-static.80-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 07:35:30 oh, sharp*quote*. I hadn't seen the quote. 07:36:06 hml: SRFI-89 07:37:03 -!- pierpa [n=user@host202-182-static.80-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:38:47 chicken provides dsssl-style #!optional, #!rest and #!key for procedures, but not for define-macros 07:38:57 -!- Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 07:39:07 you'll just have to destructure manually, use the 'match' unit or use syntax-rules 07:39:56 Riastradh: getting rid of the 'stream-tail' bug also appears to have cured the stepper.. 07:39:58 biology (sleep) calls; i will figure this out later; thanks all! 07:40:04 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 07:40:42 #;1> (define-syntax add (syntax-rules (to:) ((add x) x) ((add x to: y) (+ x y)))) 07:40:46 #;2> (add 1) 07:40:47 #;3> (add 1 to: 2) 07:40:48 3 07:40:50 1 07:40:51 to provide a dumb example 07:40:54 I'm not surprised, mejja. Now I just need to persuade Chris to take the few minutes to finish releasing a new snapshot... 07:41:15 (or, Chris needs to find a few minutes to finish releasing a new snapshot) 07:41:22 Riastradh: sorry... i was wrong. the bug isn't gone:( 07:42:04 OK, can you be more specific about it? 07:42:08 drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:42:16 It's all googles fault! 07:42:39 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:43:02 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-24-248.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 07:43:21 Riastradh: (map (lambda (x) x) '(1 2 3)) M-x step-last-expression fyi 07:55:36 drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 07:56:31 -!- drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:57:26 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [No route to host] 08:00:03 aack [n=user@s559195f7.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 08:00:32 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 08:05:10 -!- drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:12:45 mbishop: thanks for the 6.184 link. 08:17:23 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 08:32:54 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 08:34:04 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:59:43 -!- vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:02:38 named parameters? 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12:05:27 ? 12:05:49 M? What are those 'setters' and 'getters' supposed to do? Also, I believe, there is no 'best scheme programming style' - you may do what seems right for you. 12:07:19 (define *input-var* 'boo) (define get-input-var (lambda() (*input-var*))) (define set-input-var (lambda(value) (set! *input-var* value))) 12:08:53 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["uts"] 12:10:43 Well, I think this is the case, there you should decide, what suits you best 12:11:06 -!- schmalbe [n=bernhard@p549A0362.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:11:36 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [] 12:11:43 Though, get-input-var and set-input-var! can be useful shortcuts if you don't have many 'input-vars' 12:12:20 thansk, Mr-Cat 12:18:41 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 12:25:25 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 12:26:49 aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has joined #scheme 12:32:46 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:37:16 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:38:56 schmalbe [n=bernhard@p549A0362.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 12:43:21 la la la 12:44:23 lala bara bum lala 12:46:00 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 12:46:16 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 12:52:19 how can I make emacs read an extension as if it was reading html or scheme code? 12:54:48 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 12:59:36 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:01:08 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Operation timed out] 13:07:08 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:10:41 -!- arthurmaciel [n=user@201.80.20.127] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:12:45 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 13:13:26 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:13:26 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:16:22 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:21:17 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste in your channel? 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18:09:15 thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@62-101-93-169.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 18:10:40 Hello, I'm reading the reasoned schemer and i came across (letcc foo ...) but then when i ran the program, the compiler (chicken scheme) says unbound variable foo. Is this normal? 18:10:52 yes 18:11:04 letcc isn't standard 18:11:10 oh ok 18:11:17 that was my suspect 18:11:36 I think you can download code from the book's website that introduces a macro like that 18:11:56 ok, thank you very much sjamaan 18:12:50 Just write (CALL-WITH-CURRENT-CONTINUATION (LAMBDA (FOO) ...)) instead. 18:12:55 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:13:08 Riastradh: I think letcc isn't the only nonstandard thing they introduce 18:14:33 -!- drdo1 [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:14:38 -!- reprore__ [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:15:20 reprore_ [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:16:20 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 18:21:48 g0ju [n=moo@dslb-088-072-044-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:46 -!- Fare 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[n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 23:53:00 my initial impression is that clojure is one of the more practically interesting of the hundreds of recent lisp variants 23:53:28 Perhaps, but why use a new variant at all? 23:53:29 i told them i wouldn't recommend clojure for production use unless it had a KILLER feature they needed that could not be done in a scheme or cl 23:53:44 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:54:11 that's what i'm trying to elicit from them: why they are interested in it in the first place 23:55:19 Place I worked for decided to use Jython for a huge client-facing project. Why? Maybe the name sounded cool. 23:55:50 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-68-59-241-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:57:07 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 23:58:47 usually it's because they have a large investment in java already