00:00:56 Daemmerung: aye, it's not. what's preferable though? i'm not particularly fond of teach yourself scheme in fixnum days. 00:04:00 -!- vincenz [n=vincenz@li23-146.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:12:12 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 00:12:16 -!- banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:13:06 banisterfiend [n=john@203-97-217-154.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #scheme 00:13:12 -!- Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-67-130-219.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [""That's our secret... we kill you with kindness. What's your secret?""] 00:19:47 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless142.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:25:08 johnnowak: The Little Schemer, The Seasoned Schemer, The Reasoned Schemer ? 00:27:32 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:28:12 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 00:34:03 anyone here ever tried sisc w/ opengl? 00:41:21 -!- kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:42:02 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 00:43:46 annodomini [n=lambda@129.170.131.166] has joined #scheme 00:45:09 bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:52:11 johnnowak: I'd nominate TSPL. 00:53:24 geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-23-87-156.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 00:54:28 tspl? 00:54:40 n/m 00:58:53 -!- ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@nat/google/x-872486270336c0c4] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]"] 01:01:20 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:10:37 incubot: when meditating on identity, what sort of thought process lights upon Trollinator with a capital T? 01:10:39 meta - please start by meditating over Tangerine Dream. I reccomend 'Alpha Centauri' or 'Stratosphere' as good introductions. 01:13:16 incubot: who killed sarahbot? 01:13:18 Also killed all the small rodents (field moles) to few enough that the owls had to move away 01:14:11 incubot: so this boticide is also a rodenticide? 01:14:13 either this was a long time ago or you provoked people 01:19:48 -!- cads_awaay [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 01:40:16 incubot: am i gay? 01:43:17 silence is deafening 01:43:52 maybe he just nodded 01:46:22 im sure questions like this come up a lot, but i'm working through SICP and I see that the predicate atom? is not defined in mit-scheme. is there some canonical implementation of it somewhere else? 01:46:23 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:50:57 (atom? x) usually means (not (list? x)) 01:51:22 but it's a contentious enough point that few if any implementations provide it 01:51:35 just define it in your prelude 01:52:48 (not (list? x)) or (not (pair? x)) ? 01:53:49 Where does ATOM? arise in SICP? 01:54:08 Riastradh: i was thinking the same thing 01:54:24 and why not (or (number? x) (symbol? x)) 01:54:37 I just searched through the whole text, and the index, and found no mention of it. 01:56:31 foof, I don't think the list of nominees is available -- I spent a whole thirty seconds looking for it one day. 01:57:06 the lectures 01:57:13 3b to be precise 01:57:23 a discussion of how to algebraically express derivatives 01:57:37 I see. Is there any more specific context? 01:57:45 I.e.: How is it used? 01:58:49 to test if an expression is a product, you apply this predicate: (define (product? exp) (and (not (atom? exp)) (eq? (car exp) '*))) 01:59:00 OK. Write (AND (PAIR? EXP) ...) instead. 01:59:49 or to test if an expression produces a constant, you call (define (constant? exp var) (and (atom? exp) (not (eq? exp var)))) 02:00:09 Write (SYMBOL? EXP) instead there. 02:00:13 ok thanks 02:00:14 Sorry, that's wrong. 02:00:17 Again write (NOT (PAIR? EXP)). 02:00:31 yeah that makes a bit more sense 02:00:54 that looks really broken 02:03:00 well it does work for this purpose at least 02:05:01 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:20:06 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:20:22 kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:21:24 -!- dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:21:34 dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:36:31 brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:14 -!- dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:43:09 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 02:46:26 rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 02:51:40 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:54:04 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 02:55:12 incubot: what is atom? 02:55:14 Meh, my reader doesn't do atom :/ I thought blogger provided both. 02:55:54 incubot: be careful. RSS reads are like crack. 02:55:56 crack_head: oh, and don't listen to anything mbishop says either. He's six years old. 03:05:14 Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #scheme 03:09:24 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 03:14:24 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:14:43 -!- masm [n=user@a83-132-153-17.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 03:15:04 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:15:10 grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-142-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:16:59 incubot: chant 03:17:01 chant 03:17:19 MORE COWBELL 03:17:32 thank you 03:17:47 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 03:18:04 benny [n=benny@i577A0AD7.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 03:24:30 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has joined #scheme 03:29:49 dmoerner: The lectures you are watching are based on the first edition of SICP, (c) 1985. From page 97 of the 1st ed: "To aid in writing recursive procedures on trees, Lisp provides the primitive predicate /atom?/, which tests whether its argument is atomic (i.e., not a pair)." Note that it doesn't call the language Scheme! 03:35:09 -!- Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 03:37:57 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 03:41:46 -!- kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:42:15 kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 03:44:17 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 03:45:49 -!- aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:48:37 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:52:05 Are there existing interfaces for any of the major schemes (plt would be nice) that will let me fling lists of sample values to the soundcard for playback? 03:52:50 (well, vectors of sample values would be fine too :P) 03:53:41 bombshelter13: linux? 03:54:07 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:54:33 must you "fling"? Might you not, rather, "scatter", "strew", or "spray"? 03:54:33 eli: Linux or OS X, I can use either... it'd be handy if there were a solution for both (or even diffeing solutions for each) 03:54:37 But I'll take what I can get. 03:54:53 I assume the FFI would help you out here. 03:54:59 offby1: those could be acceptable as long as ordering is maintained ;) 03:55:29 bombshelter13: on linux there's no need for an ffi -- you just dump number in /dev/ for some value of something. 03:56:33 bombshelter13: not sure on your needs, but http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/ might work 03:56:57 (That's a rather heavy hammer for just throwing numbers into your speaker...) 03:57:13 yes. yes it is. 03:57:23 klutometis: SYN 03:57:35 johnnowak: I've heard of that, but haven't tried it yet... maybe I'll take a look. I'd still like to find a way to do it from a regular schem though, if possible... 03:57:56 Also, WAV file formats are usually very simple -- it should be easy to create such a file and then play it. (There's the ffi/libsndfile that has some simple interface for doing that.) 03:58:00 eli: how do I determine what sort of sample format (bit depth, channels, etc) my /dev/ node is likely to expect? 03:58:27 eli: yeah, I've got a perl script that does just that, takes a list of numbers on std-in and makes a .wav... I'd like to do things live though, without having to render a file. 03:58:37 bombshelter13: that I don't remember, and even if I did then it's almost guaranteed to be outdated information. 03:58:58 eli: Hm, I'll see what I can learn about those nodes.... 03:59:02 you see, eli is Old. 04:00:14 *eli* notes that offby1 is strangely aware of age; and remembers a certain recent piece of plaxo-semi-spam... 04:01:47 Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #scheme 04:03:58 What, no comments? 04:07:39 incubot: I'll have you know I'm almost 7! 04:07:41 but maybe im wrong, what do i know... 04:08:04 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:13:54 proq: BTW, we couldn't replicate the problem, since that machine has the whatever-was-the-previous-ubuntu-version. 04:16:28 annodomini [n=lambda@erlang.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU] has joined #scheme 04:20:51 -!- kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:24:45 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has left #scheme 04:25:59 saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has joined #scheme 04:29:18 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:37:48 -!- mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:38:02 -!- grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-142-107.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 04:47:30 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 04:50:33 underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 04:55:22 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:58:53 annodomini [n=lambda@129.170.131.166] has joined #scheme 05:00:13 -!- underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has quit [wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 05:00:42 -!- brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 05:01:14 mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:01:45 underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 05:02:05 Riastradh: ping 05:02:52 I'd tell you to email me if mumble.net were responsive. 05:03:04 oh, i wrote back earlier 05:03:37 Riastradh: but i just read some of the sccrollback, and i saw that you mentioned Kelsey's paper 05:03:43 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@209.6.23.56] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 05:05:01 if the conf paper isno goodd, is the dissertation itself anyt better? 05:05:10 I've never read it. 05:06:30 ah 05:06:38 Riastradh: i have a copy of it, want me to send it to you? 05:06:56 Riastradh: if i send it to mumble.net, it'll bounce? 05:08:50 Your mail transfer agent, if well-behaved, will retry delivery until mumble.net comes back up, which it appears to have just done ten seconds ago. 05:18:02 -!- underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has quit [wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 05:21:31 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:23:03 underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 05:27:56 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176217142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:28:11 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176199102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28:24 incubot: eval: (define my-define define) 05:28:24 Error: unbound variable: define 05:28:36 Could anyone explain to me why that happens? 05:29:07 is it because define is a special form and I need to do a define-syntax to do that? 05:33:21 Arelius: that's right 05:34:12 Do they use the same lookup tables 05:34:30 for instance if I wanted to, could I do a (define define +) 05:34:56 and would that make future calls to define try to add the params? 05:35:32 (sorry about the arcane questions, but I am working on a scheme compiler, and am dealing with some edge cases) 05:36:31 The set of names that a program may bind is not restricted. 05:37:11 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 05:42:03 hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:42:03 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:44:37 -!- hadronzoo_ [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:45:36 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:50:31 Riastradh: but atleast in chicken when I do a (define define +) and then I do a (define 3 4) I get errors I would expect if I didn't bind define to + 05:51:38 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:52:02 Are you using Chicken with one of the hygienic macro eggs, such as riaxpander? If not, then you will observe plenty of other incorrect behaviour. 05:52:34 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:43 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:52:59 Riastradh: Ahh, I see 05:53:25 So, I should be able to do (define define +) and then (+ 2 3) in a correct scheme then? 05:53:36 Yes. 05:56:00 -!- underspecified [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has quit [] 06:02:44 Riastradh: Thanks 06:04:41 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:06:02 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 06:11:36 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0AD7.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:12:38 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:16:55 benny [n=benny@i577A0F9D.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 06:18:45 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:20:32 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:20:45 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:21:39 underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:22:06 -!- Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-217-174.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:34:27 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-171-112.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 06:34:34 kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 06:35:22 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-171-112.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:35:23 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 06:50:09 lambda [n=lambda@c-24-5-198-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:54:37 dmoerner_ [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-2-39.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:01:13 -!- dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-23-60.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:09:03 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:16:44 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-232-155.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["Where is the glory in complying with demands?"] 07:17:50 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:25:12 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:31:24 -!- X-Scale2 [i=email@89.181.1.56] has left #scheme 07:49:17 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:52:01 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 07:58:06 -!- hyperboreean [n=none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:58:09 hyperboreean [n=none@89.18.3.66] has joined #scheme 07:58:11 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:58:38 -!- hyperboreean is now known as Guest93787 08:08:59 incubot: between wine and vagina, the only other pleasure is the violent ex nihilo of the creative Schemer 08:09:01 Ex Nihilo 08:09:05 yes 08:13:23 -!- Guest93787 is now known as hyperboreean 08:17:27 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet126-171.naist.jp] has quit [] 08:18:12 there's also real booze 08:18:23 incubot: booze? 08:18:24 nope. 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I've tried using (read-string (string->number (get-env-var "CONTENT_LENGTH"))), but it only gets a variable (not the other vars posted). 15:39:17 Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:42:45 -!- nicholasw [n=nw@ckc-109-118.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [] 15:44:04 just found the error. the form fields that were not appearing were not set corretly (had not their 'name' attributes set). 15:44:21 :) 15:44:44 i have done that too, using id instead of name, and then looking for it! 15:48:37 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 15:50:03 loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has joined #scheme 15:50:33 folks, is it possible to use mit-scheme via slime? 15:51:34 pjb3 [n=pjb3@dsl092-166-158.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 15:52:46 (or at least in some other way that will allow me to access previous expressions) 15:53:15 like rlwrap does? 15:53:30 rlwrap? 15:53:54 its a read-line wrapper, for mostly REPL's 15:54:08 does brace matching, command hostory 15:54:11 and it can be used with mit-scheme? 15:54:17 leppie: really don't know how to use id. I just read from current-input-port and it finds all 'name' attributes. 15:54:36 try: rlwrap your-scheme 15:57:18 ah, that's it leppie. Thank you 15:57:38 :) 16:01:10 is it OK if a feed mit-scheme with files like this: mit-scheme < filename 16:01:16 the simplest examples seem to work 16:01:41 (I start learning scheme now and I can't write more complex examples :)) 16:01:43 rotty, yes, but except for omitting a number of definitions, it's not much different from pathname.el. Out of curiosity, may I ask why you want it? 16:02:39 rotty, is this about my question? 16:02:45 Riastradh: I have based my (spells pathname) library on the Beta 3, and hence would like to look at a diff, to see if there were changes which I should do on the scheme side 16:02:57 loxs: no, sorry, just ignore me 16:03:07 samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:03:16 Riastradh: thanks for putting it up 16:05:34 rudybot: seen eli 16:05:36 samth: eli was seen in/on #scheme twelve hours, one minute ago, saying "What, no comments?", and then eli was seen in/on #scheme eleven hours, fifty-one minutes ago, saying "proq: BTW, we couldn't replicate the problem, since that machine has the whatever-was-the-previous-ubuntu-version." 16:05:56 eli: are you around? 16:10:47 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:12:37 ejs1 [n=eugen@77-109-31-243.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 16:14:18 samth: ping 16:14:37 eli: ping 16:15:17 offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 16:15:42 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:20:43 levi [n=user@levi.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 16:27:29 drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 16:29:01 Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has joined #scheme 16:32:55 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:39:30 -!- loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has left #scheme 16:40:34 g0ju [n=moo@w7641.pub.fh-zwickau.de] has joined #scheme 16:42:08 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:43:51 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 16:43:59 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:44:38 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48:42 -!- a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:56:45 dlurf [n=dlurf@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 17:01:42 -!- dlurf [n=dlurf@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:03:39 -!- jdev [i=jdev@panix5.panix.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:04:13 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:06:33 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:29:11 -!- arthurmaciel [n=user@201.80.20.127] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:36:51 -!- pierpa [n=user@host202-182-static.80-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:37:57 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [] 17:56:31 saccade_ [n=saccade@MCNAIR-ONE-THIRTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:57:40 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@MCNAIR-ONE-THIRTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 17:59:03 -!- g0ju [n=moo@w7641.pub.fh-zwickau.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:05:25 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 18:05:47 drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 18:08:41 phao [n=phao@189.13.102.139] has joined #scheme 18:10:52 there is this algorithm used in SICP to solve that problem: "How many different ways can we make change of $ 1.00, given half-dollars, quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies?" 18:11:04 Can anyone tell me what does that problem asks? 18:11:07 ask* 18:11:10 no. Read SICP 18:11:23 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 18:11:27 vixey, I'm doing that, but I don't know what that sentence means 18:11:37 phao, do you understand the concept of making change? 18:11:41 what is "ways can we make change of $ 1.00" 18:11:47 ? 18:11:59 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.234.212.205] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:06 phao, the concept is that a one-dollar bill is exchanged for a number of coins. 18:12:15 The idea is that the value of the coins adds up to $1.00 18:12:27 The question is asking how many different combinations of coins have a summed value of one dollar. 18:13:05 A half-dollar is worth 0.50 dollars; a quarter is worth 0.25 dollars; a dime is worth 0.10 dollars; a nickel is worth 0.05 dollars; and a penny is worth 0.01 dollars. 18:13:15 Do you understand now? 18:15:14 hmm 18:15:17 I think yes 18:18:06 phao, think 1 dollar = 1 real, half-dollar: 50 centavos, quarter: 25 centavos, &c. 18:18:34 that was not what I was in doubt 18:19:05 according to what you said, the problem is aking the number of possible combination of coins (given the type of coins) that make up $1 18:19:13 types* 18:20:31 Yes. 18:21:06 phao: you may be interested in the sicp bookclub at ##sicp 18:21:09 -!- drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:21:59 ok 18:26:24 phao: are you chinese 18:28:35 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 18:28:50 jdev [i=jdev@panix5.panix.com] has joined #scheme 18:29:34 by his name he's probably Brazilian or Portuguese 18:31:15 ah ok 18:31:26 -!- Mr-Cat_ [n=Mr-Cat@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:32:22 thank youu 18:32:27 -!- phao [n=phao@189.13.102.139] has left #scheme 18:32:28 -!- bpalmer [n=user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has quit ["ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.776 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"] 18:33:11 His IP address was Brazilian, in any case. 18:39:36 drdo```` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 18:39:59 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-202-18.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:40:35 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 18:41:33 drdo````` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 18:42:12 -!- drdo```` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:44:27 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:50:11 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless58.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:54:53 -!- drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:08:25 dudrenov [n=user@h-67-101-217-41.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #scheme 19:11:05 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 19:11:52 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["udem"] 19:13:04 langmartin [n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 19:22:08 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 19:23:49 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:24:31 spooneybarger [n=spooneyb@cpe-74-73-111-254.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:24:33 -!- dudrenov [n=user@h-67-101-217-41.snfccasy.covad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:28:38 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:36:39 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:37:09 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:41:27 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 19:52:37 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-3-144.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 19:53:45 -!- samth [n=samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:56:25 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-23-87-156.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:59:05 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:00:07 -!- Daemmerung [n=goetter@1133sae.mazama.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:06:33 -!- ventonegro [n=user@136.166.1.3] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:13:48 Riastradh: can you show me the syntax for DEFINE-TEST-CASE with SETUP and TEARDOWN? 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21:31:15 Yes: bang your head on the nearest wall. Concrete material preferred. Results guaranteed. 21:31:31 *optikalmouse* bangs head against wall, AAHDAHDAHDAHD 21:31:53 hmmaybe there's a good tutorial for their python scripting :/ 21:32:29 I wouldn't be surprised. The scheme thing is so crappy it's only a matter of time before it's gone. 21:33:18 bash 21:33:20 oops 21:34:08 eli: is it really that horrible? it seemed okay last time I tried using it except for the lack of good docs :/ 21:35:44 optikalmouse: I thought gimp used guile for scripting 21:36:38 optikalmouse: to tell you the truth, I didn't use it that much either -- but each time I did it was painful. 21:36:38 proq: it uses TinyScheme, they said guile was too large 21:36:49 Yes, they dumped guile long ago. 21:36:56 ah 21:36:59 eli: I don't think they ever used it even :S 21:37:22 gimp isn't exactly a small program though 21:37:24 optikalmouse: Yes -- I mean to say that they dumped the guile idea long ago. 21:37:52 proq: what you *should* say is that perl/python are not small things either. 21:38:08 exactly. 21:38:13 true, perl and python are much bigger 21:39:27 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:40:04 I read that article on guile's history and I'm kind of disappointed that more apps aren't scriptable with it :/ 21:40:29 -!- maodun [n=stopgo@c-67-180-49-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #scheme 21:40:45 maybe people are keeping it a secret 21:42:43 like I think Pidgin allows plugins to be coded in Perl and Tk and C of course, but not in a proper language! :p 21:43:01 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0573E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:31 -!- kniu [n=kniu@DA-YU.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:52:58 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:56:04 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:01:28 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 22:03:10 incubot: CLICK HERE FOR INSTANT ACCESS! 22:03:12 At a given instant, it's harder to evaluate, for the various light horizons... 22:06:46 incubot: when did you stop beating sarahbot 22:06:48 Don't people just add whitespace-tokens into the token stream when they lex those sorts of things? 22:07:21 incubot: that's not funny 22:07:24 Am I funny to you? 22:07:34 :incubot: yes, you are like a clown 22:10:19 -!- dmoerner_ is now known as dmoerner 22:12:35 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 22:13:42 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:17 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-232-155.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 22:28:09 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@dsl092-166-158.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [] 22:29:21 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless58.wireless.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:35:47 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 22:36:22 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 22:44:59 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless58.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:47:19 -!- barney [n=bernhard@p549A0453.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:48:56 incubot: please give me the strength to thwart the python hordes, who daily clamour at my desk with renewed evangelism 22:48:58 I'm sure someone will clamour for arbitrary custom line-endings, too, and that'll degrade into an argument about record separators and structured output... 22:49:12 how true, how true 22:50:43 haha 22:50:46 who owns incubot 22:50:57 he is by far the most entertaining of the bots I have seen 22:51:27 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 22:51:31 incubot, who is your daddy and what does he do? 22:51:33 okay, gauche definitely does not spawn more memory, running gosh.exe twice on Windows uses very very little RAM for subsequent loads, so it's definitely shared in that vein. 22:51:44 X-Scale [i=email@89.180.163.184] has joined #scheme 22:54:09 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@77-109-31-243.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has left #scheme 22:57:32 synx: SYN ACK 22:58:23 Business is slow, daddy. 22:59:24 Daemmerung: tell me about it; did that lisp-mud put any fire under your ass? 22:59:29 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 23:00:29 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 23:08:06 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:09:30 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:11:22 saccade_ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-TWENTY.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:11:58 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0573E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:13:13 ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@nat/google/x-7b3b75eb76e1b056] has joined #scheme 23:17:50 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #scheme 23:23:45 cads_ [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:26:15 -!- cads_awaay [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 23:26:50 You'd think it would, given how badly I've been jonesing for a game-fix; but, sadly, no. 23:27:22 indeed 23:27:41 Been hacking on Gambit in anticipation of another project. 23:28:42 nice; haven't played with gambit; curious to see what you think 23:29:18 It's bizarro-world Chicken. Or maybe Chicken is bizarro-Gambit. Not sure. 23:29:42 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@BRAIN-AND-COG-FIVE-TWENTY.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:30:36 I'm not into it deep enough to form any conclusions beyond a hearty distaste for it's author's C coding style. 23:31:00 Or even its author's. Whatevar. 23:31:46 *mbishop* has a hearty distaste for your face 23:32:44 ecowarrior [n=Family@79-72-113-23.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 23:32:49 C is the devil, do not deny it Bishop mbishop! 23:32:55 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless58.wireless.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:33:01 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless58.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 23:33:05 indeed it is 23:37:13 -!- ecowarrior [n=Family@79-72-113-23.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #scheme 23:37:17 ecowarrior [n=Family@79-72-113-23.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 23:38:26 amca [n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:40:29 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 23:41:37 -!- amca [n=amca@CPE-121-208-81-104.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 23:41:42 -!- ecowarrior [n=Family@79-72-113-23.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #scheme 23:42:50 jao [n=user@81.Red-83-33-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:43:46 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [No route to host] 23:46:26 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 23:52:34 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 23:53:40 -!- kniu [n=kniu@CMU-284828.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:53:44 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:54:36 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:54:42 ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@59.172.142.205] has joined #scheme 23:54:59 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 23:57:16 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection]