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step the compiler transforms the code from one source language to another (simpler) source language. Anyone knows which paper it is? 15:49:18 *offby1* stares blankly 15:49:43 You are probably thinking of Richard Kelsey's dissertation, which is not electronically available, and of which there is a conference-length version (probably on readscheme.org) but it is riddled with errors. 15:51:48 masm: don't all compilers work that way? 15:51:51 Yes, I think that's it. And that also explains why I don't have that printed in my to-read list. 15:52:40 hkBst, mostly the idea is to use a relatively uniform intermediate representation through several stages, rather than converting between very different ones at very different levels. 15:52:40 masm, your description also fits Abdulaziz Ghuloum's description of Ikarus Scheme, but the paper I read didn't go into any great depth or detail. 15:53:10 Riastradh: I see 15:54:28 This is different from optimizing transformations; roughly the same representation is used for the front end to the compiler and for the register allocator and code generator, between when the user's code is initially passed to the compiler and when the compiler spits out its target code. 15:54:57 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~owaddell/papers/thesis.ps.gz <-- also good 15:56:14 In theory this simplifies some of the implementation of the compiler; some generic local simplifications can be applied at any stage in the compilation process, without requiring their duplication for different representations. 15:59:37 -!- Raynes|Away is now known as Raynes 16:07:00 vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:07:30 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:08:33 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless142.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:12:07 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-28-118.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:13:23 bweaver [n=bweaver@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:14:49 -!- synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:15:19 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:18:38 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:18:38 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-25-68.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 16:19:49 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:27:58 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:28:19 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.127.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:37:44 -!- decoder_ring [n=decoder_@c-68-40-195-220.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 16:39:12 arcfide [n=arcfide@156-56-207-47.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 16:46:06 -!- Raynes [i=Rayne@AC84E3A4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:47:22 Raynes [n=Rayne@AC84E3A4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #scheme 16:51:16 dzhus [n=sphinx@93.81.178.98] has joined #scheme 16:52:09 eli: pong 16:53:14 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93.81.178.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:53:29 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:59:37 decoder_ring [n=decoder_@c-68-40-195-220.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:59:41 When writing nested named-LETs, is there some idiomatic way to name the loops? Should ad-hoc-ery reign? 17:00:09 -!- benny` [n=benny@i577A0AD7.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:00:35 LOOP for one loop, OUTER and INNER for two loops. And for three? 17:00:56 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #scheme 17:00:59 There is no general convention. Under more specific conditions, something more specific may be applicable. 17:01:04 Usually I name them for what they do. 17:01:17 Or if I get that much nesting, I start looking at other constructions. 17:02:08 There's a radical suggestion! Usually, nested loops say to me, "Find another way!" But when no better way comes to mind in the time budget... 17:02:23 Can you be more specific about what you are trying to express? 17:02:28 Well, loop1 loop2 loop3 ... loop99 should be fine 17:02:39 Just doing a Project Euler problem. 17:02:45 edw: Well, ore use some kind of looping macro...*cough*foof loop*cough*. 17:02:51 I meant more specifically than that. What do the loops do? 17:03:32 I'll paste it in a couple minutes, when I'm done. 17:09:30 Don't paste solutions to the problems. That's against the spirit of the game. 17:09:48 Well I won't tell you what problem it is. That's not the point here. 17:09:55 edw: nested loops suggest that your procedure dous to much. Maybe the inner loop can be generalized into it's own procedure. 17:09:58 hi Riastradh 17:10:02 does even. 17:10:06 Hi. 17:10:22 I found that Dijskstras Algorithm is complete but not sound 17:10:37 for parsing infix ops 17:10:39 dudrenov, the procedure is fourteen lines long, so I'm not the worried. 17:10:50 That worried, even. 17:10:52 wasn't sure if I mentioned that already 17:11:07 The length of the procedure is not really the conern here. 17:11:48 Please give me a break on the make-your-procedures-smaller advice. I. Am. Aware. 17:12:47 OK, but I was not trying to say that you should make your procedure smaller. 17:12:56 Simpler, not smaller. 17:13:25 edw, well then we shall move onto the Second Commandment: Use cons to build lists. 17:13:49 Thou shell use cons. 17:13:58 vixey: About Dijkstra - can you give an example? 17:14:51 Mr-Cat, try to prove the algorithm correct and a counterexample will just pop out 17:14:51 OMG, I've forgotten the title of that book. 17:15:02 edw, Seasoned Schemer :p 17:15:17 maybe it's in Little Schemer too 17:15:37 Thank you. I'm in Reading Terminal Market, away from my bookshelf. It's in the Little Schemer, I believe. 17:16:34 Seasoned Schemer, second commandment. 17:17:00 The third one is "Use cons to pick up trash along highways." 17:17:04 Are you serious, you need to get to the second book before he give you that bugget? 17:17:21 Grr! Gives you that nugget?! 17:18:11 Oh, my mistake, it's in Little Schemer, too. Little just doesn't break out all the Commandments for my easy reference. 17:21:41 saccade_ [n=saccade@MCNAIR-THREE-SEVENTY.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 17:21:56 oh my God. "Use cons to pick up trash along highways." You just gotta admire that, horrible though it may be. 17:22:05 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@MCNAIR-THREE-SEVENTY.MIT.EDU] has quit [Client Quit] 17:22:11 ejs1 [n=eugen@77-109-30-80.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #scheme 17:22:17 What's ironic is that what the cons are picking up are ... ex-cons ? 17:22:58 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-25-68.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:23:18 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@adsl-68-23-87-156.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:24:12 Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@static-70-108-241-27.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 17:34:19 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@static-70-108-241-27.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:35:16 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 17:35:29 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:36:19 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 17:36:30 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@hermes.lanit.ru] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:37:45 edw pasted "Don't look at this procedure." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/73539 17:38:59 Thirteen lines. Not that the number of lines matters. 17:40:15 Looks fine to me. What's your beef with it? 17:41:43 Nothing. The question was about loop naming. 17:41:57 edw: I'm not looking. La la la la. 17:42:06 *offby1* trembles in fear that he's accidentally summoned duncanm 17:42:46 *edw* apologizes for the stray punctuation in the paste's title. 17:43:46 You got an outie and an innie. 17:44:10 An outie AND and innie. Quite an accomplishment. 17:45:34 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:45:40 TRY-NUMBER and FIND-LENGTH might be better than OUTER and INNER, respectively. 17:45:49 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:45:56 -!- Daemmerung is now known as Duncanmmerung 17:46:00 dum de dum 17:46:59 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 17:47:35 -!- Duncanmmerung is now known as Daemmerung 17:48:26 LA LA LA 17:48:48 Problem sixteen is pretty mind boggling, in terms of how to do it without leaning on big decimals. 18:06:27 ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@nat/google/x-ffb10aa8b83917e2] has joined #scheme 18:06:56 *ptolomy2* walked around the corner yesterday and saw Sussman giving a talk. 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20:51:31 eli: yes 20:51:53 Did you figure out what the problem was? 20:52:45 eli: no, I am content with having it work post-drscheme 20:53:18 Was the problem with the ubuntu packages, or did you install the plt packages? 20:53:27 (or maybe you compiled it yourself?) 20:53:30 the ubuntu packages 20:54:12 So it sounds to me like a possible problem in their setup... 20:54:46 I'd try to see if I can replicate the problem on a local machine here, given that you don't want to look into it... 20:55:04 hmm, I apt-get removed drscheme and it's back to the same problem 20:55:09 (Which *is* a good idea, btw -- the intention of the mzscheme package is for server situations, not for interactive use.) 20:55:25 Which version of plt is that, btw? 20:55:36 4.0 20:55:38 lib: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found: "scheme" in any of: (# #) in: (lib "scheme/init") 20:56:05 4.0?? They don't have anything newer? 20:56:37 Is there a directory called `/usr/lib/plt/collects/scheme' ? 20:56:51 um... 20:56:57 *proq* removes drscheme again 20:57:22 no 20:57:25 (Feel free to leave it at that if it's a hassle...) 20:57:33 OK, that certainly looks like a bug. 20:57:39 s/a/their/ 20:57:48 I'll follow up with "them". 20:57:51 Thanks. 20:57:55 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:58:15 ecowarrior [n=ecowarri@79-64-114-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 20:58:17 Linux chai 2.6.27-9-server #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:53:41 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux 20:58:37 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-99.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:59:23 (Is this a jewish machine?) 20:59:49 no, it believes only in tea 21:00:41 I have access to a "2.6.22-14-386" -- I hope that the problem is not in the "-server" variant. 21:01:39 I have another flavor of intrepid at home, I will try when I have access to it 21:02:23 iirc it is the ubuntu AMD desktop (maybe server) version 21:03:53 OK, what practical prankster nominated me for the steering committee? 21:05:17 elmex [i=elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #scheme 21:06:16 C'mon, 'fess up. 21:06:46 synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:07:23 pjb3_ [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:07:50 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:09:43 actually, that's wrong. this machine is GIGOic 21:13:26 -!- elmex [i=elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:14:05 -!- ecowarrior [n=ecowarri@79-64-114-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #scheme 21:14:46 Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-67-130-219.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 21:18:10 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste in your channel? 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Generative versus non-generative? 21:50:17 slava, I kind of doubt there could be any answer to 'why' regarding R6RS 21:52:04 Riastradh: yes 21:55:22 -!- drwhen [n=d@209-112-181-104.static.acsalaska.net] has quit ["\(^^) LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! "\(^^)""] 21:55:40 -!- rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:56:50 Hi. I am trying to do the equivalent of the following perl code: foreach $key (sort keys(%ENV)) { print "$key = $ENV{$key}" }. How would I go about it ? 21:57:44 Formerly all record type definitions were generative, which is the simplest to implement and simplest to work with. Non-generative record type definitions produce instances that are consistent across multiple invocations of a program, such as the same program loaded in two different images or a single program under development reloaded. 21:58:15 that makes no sense to me. other languages don't have two types of records 21:58:30 slava, you expect all languages to work the same? 21:58:51 So if one accumulates a pile of state while developing a program, and reloads one part of the program which happens to define a record type (whose structure doesn't change), then the procedure definitions in that part of the program will be updated without necessarily invalidating the existing pile of state. 21:59:09 slava, two types of record type *definitions*, not two types of records. 22:05:45 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:08:54 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 22:12:00 subversus [i=elliot@loveturtle.net] has joined #scheme 22:13:32 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-23-60.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:18:34 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:18:39 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:09 -!- pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 22:19:40 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 22:20:16 foof [n=user@67.151.206.116] has joined #scheme 22:20:44 foof, it wasn't you who nominated me, was it? 22:20:48 -!- slava [n=slava@li13-154.members.linode.com] has left #scheme 22:24:49 jdev [i=jdev@panix5.panix.com] has joined #scheme 22:26:55 Riastradh: no 22:28:17 aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has joined #scheme 22:29:28 -!- annodomini_ [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:31:27 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 22:32:49 *foof* grumbles about LispNYC not announcing their meetings until the day of the meeting 22:34:22 Perl, PHP, and Tcl store the environment variables in an associative array. Scheme doesn't seem to do that. It seems to just get the environment variable that you specify. How do you grab all the environment variables and their values in Scheme ? 22:35:19 Is there a list of nominees available? 22:35:37 mns_: There's a SRFI that provides this 22:35:53 there is ? 22:35:59 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-98/ 22:36:04 It's very recent 22:36:39 The table is already outdated; this was added to Chicken a while ago 22:36:46 (possibly only Chicken 4) 22:36:54 Anyway, it pays to check your Scheme's most recent version 22:40:27 I'm using scm and am at the latest version. 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I've been programming in C, C++, Python, Java and a bit of haskell 23:53:55 Trollinator: 23:54:56 Trollinator: oops. it depends on how much haskell you know really. if you're mostly comfortable with functional programming, you can probably jump right in. starting with plt scheme and going through the guide is a possibility 23:55:11 SICP 23:55:50 rudybot: sicp? 23:55:56 erm 23:56:09 well, i haven't done much haskell programming, i basically just read a book and did some of the excercises. 23:56:24 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [] 23:56:28 Trollinator: SICP is probably a good place to start then if you have the patience: Trollinator: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ very good if you 23:56:36 damnit. what is my problem! 23:56:45 good, thanks. 23:56:48 *johnnowak* hangs head in shame 23:56:57 good night. 23:57:02 -!- Trollinator [n=foo@e177177192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57:08 -!- vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57:57 SICP is hardly a Scheme tutorial. 23:58:02 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:59:52 -!- decoder_ring [n=decoder_@c-68-40-195-220.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit ["bye"]