00:01:00 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:06:30 Riastradh: would it be possible (for me, in the spells lib collection) to replace your name with a reference to the file AUTHORS (which would list you as the author of all the files I'd copy from trc-testing) in LICENSE, without inducing legal issues? 00:09:52 kryptiskt [n=e@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 00:14:13 -!- kryptiskt [n=e@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has left #scheme 00:14:16 kryptiskt [n=e@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 00:14:53 exexex [n=chatzill@85.97.124.219] has joined #scheme 00:19:33 -!- mike______ [n=mike@dslb-088-066-253-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:28:51 raikov [n=igr@81.153.145.122.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:34:01 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-98.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 00:39:59 -!- spooneybarger [n=spooneyb@cpe-74-73-111-254.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 00:44:46 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:45:58 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.97.124.219] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:48:46 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 00:49:29 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 00:49:36 spooneybarger [n=spooneyb@cpe-74-73-111-254.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:55:31 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 01:07:55 -!- decker [n=chatzill@71-93-181-7.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]"] 01:08:02 -!- johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 01:14:47 nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@12-226-78-3.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 01:19:56 -!- pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:21:06 pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 01:27:31 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:30:47 incubot: the silence of the lambdas 01:30:49 silence never fails 01:35:37 oSand [n=heartles@118-93-83-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:36:09 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@72-255-23-143.client.stsn.net] has joined #scheme 01:36:32 -!- oSand [n=heartles@118-93-83-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:50:02 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:02:23 yhara [n=yhara@7.193.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 02:04:08 oSand [n=heartles@118-93-83-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 02:06:55 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:06:55 -!- oSand [n=heartles@118-93-83-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:08:11 slyson [n=joe@92-234-146-79.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:10:29 -!- spooneybarger [n=spooneyb@cpe-74-73-111-254.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 02:18:24 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:18:37 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-186-236-34.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:18:40 Hello! 02:18:44 Long time no chat folks. 02:21:30 _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.140.101] has joined #scheme 02:22:54 <_Pb> i'm thinking about writing a game in scheme, what would be the most scheme-like way to implement objects in the game? 02:23:50 <_Pb> the various object systems don't look like very clean solutions, I'm leaning towards using some kind of define-structure macro 02:24:22 _Pb: Usually, you can just create some object, or record, as the case may be, and then you define procedures around that object. 02:24:53 -!- luz [n=davids@201.29.167.245] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:25:01 _Pb: you probably want polymorphism, though 02:25:25 <_Pb> something simple like a C structure would be nice 02:26:12 <_Pb> is there something standard that does that? 02:26:35 scheme records (ala SRFI-9) are quite similiar to C structures 02:26:39 _Pb; Usually DEFINE-RECORD or the like exists in the implementation. 02:27:18 R6RS contains a record system as well (those are more fancy, allowing single inheritance) 02:27:33 <_Pb> oh okay, great 02:29:44 _Pb: what did you not find clean about "the various object systems" (just curious)? 02:30:34 *Daemmerung* is curious, too 02:30:54 <_Pb> rotty: I'm just being picky, I guess 02:31:15 _Pb: what object systems did you look at? 02:31:24 <_Pb> I'm reading up on define-record in the SRFI-9, thanks 02:31:37 If you start out deciding that you have to make it Your Own Object System, you'll most likely never write your game. Just use whatever your implementation supports. 02:31:43 <_Pb> the one in "learn scheme in fixnum days", and the chicken scheme one 02:31:49 <_Pb> yeah, that's probably best 02:32:10 <_Pb> I just wanted to know how you would deal with this kind of problem without using an object system 02:32:27 *rotty* looks those up 02:33:14 I only use object systems when I'm calling a substrate that requires them, such as MrEd. Otherwise, define-struct suffices for me. 02:33:30 <_Pb> I guess, the minimal way would just be to implement objects as lists, and use car/cdr to access their fields 02:33:32 <_Pb> ah, okay 02:34:36 xwl` [n=user@221.221.160.204] has joined #scheme 02:35:21 (The PLT define-struct is pretty heavyweight, I should disclaim. A fair bit beyond a simple (define (get-foo x) (vector-ref x 2)).) 02:35:43 Surely it is not necessary to pay mind to all its weight. 02:36:07 <_Pb> that's true 02:36:23 If your mileage had fallen as much in the winter months as mine, you'd be worried about weight, too.... 02:36:59 does chicken have a built-in object system? I only found eggs at a quick glance (http://chicken.wiki.br/Eggs%20Unlimited%203#object-oriented-programming) 02:37:06 Define `object system', rotty. 02:37:08 <_Pb> that may be the one 02:37:22 I really don't understand it -- why is this meaningless question so frequently a concern? 02:37:51 *rotty* pulls something out of thin air: 02:38:02 Folks like to write games. Most games are easily understood as simulations. Sims loves that OO thang. 02:39:39 Also, it's the dominant paradigm. See also subversion of same. 02:40:00 It's not a paradigm. It's a meaningless term that people throw about in an attempt to impress one another and make themselves feel better. 02:40:08 Riastradh: something that provides polymorphism around a notion of a "object", which holds some state 02:40:19 <_Pb> I'm just asking because I'm very new to lisp in general, and all of the different implementations of scheme, with all the different implementations of struct macros or object systems, can be pretty confusing 02:40:39 _Pb: a common complaint. 02:41:22 <_Pb> the scheme cross reference wiki is very nice, though 02:41:31 (although that's just my personal "feel", not any sort of real definition) 02:41:42 (and it's late, and I'm drunk) 02:42:13 <_Pb> thanks for all of the help here btw 02:42:34 They better help, that's what I pay them for! 02:42:36 *mbishop* whips 02:42:42 yassuh boss 02:43:03 <_Pb> people who hang out on irc and help out newbies really should be paid for it 02:43:09 <_Pb> I take advantage of them wayy too much 02:43:24 incubot: can I take advantage of you? 02:43:26 BW^_: Ikarus is a ground-up R6RS scheme compiler oriented specifically to "modern" x86 platforms that take advantage of some special floating point instructions, and is built off of the compiler papers from Kent Dybvig detailing the operation of Chez Scheme. So, in one way, you can look at Ikarus as Chez's little baby offspring. 02:43:45 incubot: that wasn't a no 02:43:47 Wasn't scheme implemented on an apple II? 02:43:50 heh 02:44:13 <_Pb> this 'scheme os on a floppy disk' thing looks sexy 02:44:31 Riastradh: (wrt. why is this meaningless question so frequently a concern): I think because OO design, methodology and whathaveyou are teached at universities, and shoved into programmers of all "mainstream" languages 02:45:12 <_Pb> it is very awkward to use OO for everything, which is the usual approach 02:45:31 indeed 02:45:43 incubot: that was a nice quote! 02:45:45 No, but it will block the whole system (including all Scheme threads), and there's a lot of machinery to deal with asynchronous I/O in a nice manner. 02:46:11 incubot: oh, sorry, then 02:46:13 sorry to hear about your teeth - that can be a royal pain. I hope that passes soon. 02:46:35 incubot: how do you know about my teeth? 02:46:37 I know that editing sexprs is much easier than mexprs, because you can use paredit. 02:46:49 oh, come on. everyone knows CLOS is the most important part of CL. without OO lisp would've been irrelavent footnote in history. 02:47:40 *Riastradh* coughs. 02:48:02 sladegen: do you equate lisp with CL? 02:48:25 Wow, if only we could somehow implement Actors in Scheme. But how?? 02:48:27 I think he equates trolling with fun 02:48:39 That's because trolling IS fun 02:48:40 and he would be right :D 02:48:44 *mbishop* nods 02:48:46 xinj 02:49:52 i'm not good at trolling. a bit of sarcasm, perhaps. 02:50:11 Don't worry. With practice, mastery will come. 02:50:42 *rotty* supspects that alcohol adversely affects his sarcasm and/or trolling detector 02:52:02 -!- Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 02:52:48 _Pb: google for an brief essay by Ken Dickey (I think it's Dickey) called "Scheming with Objects," usually filed as swob.txt. Scheme originated as an experiment in object-oriented programming of sorts. If you're familiar with object systems and new to Scheme, you may find swob enlightening. 02:53:13 Executive summary is, there ain't much to it. 02:53:16 <_Pb> Daemmerung: thanks, I'll go read that right now 02:53:41 executive summary is closures are objects. 02:54:03 Numbers are objects. Symbols are objects. Strings are objects. 02:54:05 <_Pb> :O this is exactly what I was looking for in the first place 02:54:10 They're even first-class objects! 02:54:13 Your mom is an upward funarg. 02:54:21 I closed over her. 02:56:30 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:57:19 ...darn it. My patented technique of debugging by changing random compiler flags isn't doing the trick. 02:58:02 *jcowan* unvanishes, bearing flags in his teeth. 02:58:30 -!- Mr-Cat_ [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:58:49 closures v. objects: http://people.csail.mit.edu/gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg03277.html 02:59:39 Kusanagi [n=Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 03:01:28 good one! 03:01:59 brweber2 [n=brweber2@ip68-100-65-167.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 03:02:27 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:02:35 -!- kryptiskt [n=e@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Success] 03:04:44 I'd rather discuss something more interesting than `closures versus objects', but I don't want to get anyone overly excited, so I'll just continue working on it instead. 03:05:14 Modula-3 implements closures in objects by doing exactly that, making objects with just an apply method 03:05:24 Riastradh: we can talk about Vi vs. Emacs or BSD vs. Linux or line noise vs. APL. there are many debates! 03:05:45 *foof* gets overly excited and creams his coffee 03:06:03 -!- xwl` [n=user@221.221.160.204] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:06:20 *mbishop* poofs in foof's coffee 03:07:17 *sladegen* hands foof a cigarette. 03:07:41 *Daemmerung* borrows a couple of jcowan's flags and tries again 03:12:01 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 03:13:27 *rotty* takes the cigarette from foof, who wouldn't smoke it 03:19:04 <_Pb> swob is very enlightening 03:19:21 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.140.101] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:22:44 Can we talk about coproducts and modules? 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PLT has Schemathics and some other stuff on PLaneT. Gauche has a decent matrix library. Gambit has a lot of numeric code driven by B. 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There's a copy on schemecookbook.org, indicating its LGPL (or even more liberal) 18:46:42 decker: you could consider using "let" in the final function but I'm not sure if SICP has introduced that yet. 18:46:59 for the assignment to "h" that is 18:47:12 dmoerner: yeah, haven't come across let at this point. 18:47:37 rotty, why use jas-match.scm? 18:47:54 Riastradh: alternatives? 18:48:00 18:48:55 Riastradh: thanks. is that a drop-in replacement for jas-match? 18:48:57 rotty, concerning the copying terms: as long as you make clear the association between the code I wrote, my name and copyright notice, and the copying terms and warranty disclaimer, I'll be happy. 18:49:24 rotty, I don't remember the notation that jas-match uses, but it could be. It is a drop-in replacement for (most of) Andrew Wright's pattern matcher, I believe. 18:49:43 Hellnar [i=Hellnar@88.235.127.47] has joined #scheme 18:50:12 Riastradh: (wrt licensing): fine! (I'll of course do all these things). 18:54:29 Anyone mind telling me what "." stands as the input of my little currying procedure ( http://paste.lisp.org/display/73427 ) 18:55:54 doesn't "stand for anything" 18:56:19 it means that your function can take any number of arguments >= 2, and the excess arguments get collected into a list, which is bound to 'args'. 18:57:18 oh now I get it ! thanks alot offby1 :) 18:57:53 most languages have some mechanism like this. 18:58:24 varargs 18:59:09 hmm, it seems jas-match.scm uses a (completely) different notation (e.g. (list-rest a b c) vs. (a b . c) in foof's matcher 19:03:27 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 19:07:57 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-111-61-198.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:53 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-190-47-61.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 19:27:53 -!- bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-128-56.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:28:30 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-124-131.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 19:29:41 synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:29:46 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@chld.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:30:34 is it possible to write an include macro in R6RS syntax-case that retains source file positions of the included file (when the implementation provides them, of course)? The thing I have now is losing them, which sucks for debugging 19:31:43 in psyntax based systems, you can use annotated-read instead of read 19:32:36 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:34:09 leppie: a quick grep didn't find annotated-read in ikarus, plt, or ypsilon 19:35:46 let me find it for you quick 19:37:14 it's read-annotated, it seems. Thanks! 19:37:30 lol ok :) 19:40:04 (import (only (psyntax system $all) read-annotated)) 19:40:59 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41:18 im sure other implementations do something similar or does it automatically with read 19:41:43 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-190-47-61.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:43:44 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:45:27 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:45:41 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-111-61-198.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 19:51:43 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-111-61-198.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:06:19 -!- JKGpp [n=juergen@dslb-088-066-197-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 20:06:53 forcer [n=forcer@e179197236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 20:07:33 -!- Armageddon00 is now known as danking 20:08:10 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 20:09:15 -!- danking is now known as Armageddon00 20:09:26 -!- Armageddon00 is now known as danking 20:09:58 -!- danking is now known as Armageddon00 20:10:41 -!- Armageddon00 is now known as danking 20:10:55 -!- danking is now known as Armageddon00 20:11:40 Sorry about that, I had to reclaim an old nick 20:11:49 -!- Armageddon00 is now known as danking 20:13:20 -!- amoe [n=amoe@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust346.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["leaving"] 20:14:50 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@72-255-24-241.client.stsn.net] has joined #scheme 20:18:00 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #scheme 20:19:12 leppie: thanks 20:19:24 works? 20:23:19 jah [n=jah@17.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 20:27:08 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27:22 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 20:28:41 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:29:22 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@72-255-24-241.client.stsn.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:31:56 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:32:18 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@72-255-24-241.client.stsn.net] has joined #scheme 20:33:40 sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:35:54 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 20:44:34 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:38 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 20:50:31 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:52:51 sam__ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:59:54 -!- sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:03:04 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 21:03:39 -!- jah [n=jah@17.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:09:23 leppie: Ikarus has read-annotated in its (ikarus) lib, which is loaded automatically when you enter the repl. Still have to try if it integrates with syntax-case, though 21:10:21 oh, i dont export that explicitly, it should work 21:12:25 funny that it's not in r6 -- doesn't syncase support arbitrary annotations on syntax objects? 21:15:32 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:31:30 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92-49-227-13.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:24 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:39:09 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:43:45 geckosen1tor [n=sean@adsl-68-23-87-156.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 21:46:18 masm [n=user@a83-132-153-17.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #scheme 21:53:22 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-4-177.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:53:50 sam_ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 21:55:19 -!- geckosenator 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