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00:15:17 make that 30 00:15:50 oh, unlikely scheme seems to be good for embedding into a game engine 00:15:50 proq: why? 00:17:21 rotty: it was apparently written to be easily embeddable into C++ apps, and it uses a zlib license 00:17:50 proq: http://rottyforge.yi.org/irclogs/freenode/%23scheme/2009-01-09/ 00:18:12 proq: "it"? 00:18:28 oh, unlikely scheme seems to be good for embedding into a game engine 00:18:57 "unlikely scheme" scheme 00:19:05 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless67.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:19:47 proq: ah, parsed wrongly, due to high ambiguity :-) 00:20:36 (unlikely [that] scheme seems ...) 00:21:11 that makes this statement funny: when you talk about embedding you really have to say which scheme system you are using.. 00:21:36 lol 00:30:56 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-69-247-77-130.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:34:36 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-69-247-77-130.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:15 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 00:40:56 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Client Quit] 00:46:28 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 00:50:50 Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:51:38 synthasee [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:53:32 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:57:49 -!- emma_ is now known as emma 01:06:17 -!- synthasee [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:09:07 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176205045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:09:23 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176207001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 01:25:16 -!- Debolaz [n=debolaz@195.159.114.206] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:29:39 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [] 01:29:52 Debolaz [n=debolaz@195.159.114.206] has joined #scheme 01:31:00 hemulen [n=hemulen@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 01:34:48 -!- maodun [n=stopgo@c-67-180-49-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #scheme 01:34:56 -!- langmartin [n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:41:00 mors [n=mors@74.10.5.213] has joined #scheme 01:46:34 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.95.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:52:56 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:54:35 bpalmer [n=user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has joined #scheme 01:57:19 barby [n=barby@86.121.6.208] has joined #scheme 01:57:55 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:57:57 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:57:58 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:57:59 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:58:00 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:58:01 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:58:02 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:58:05 vot for me http://www.uby.ro/show.php?c=1&val=17279 01:58:08 love you guys 01:58:10 -!- barby [n=barby@86.121.6.208] has quit [Client Quit] 02:07:18 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:10:01 And now I must retire to my chambers, too! 02:10:07 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has quit [] 02:33:24 -!- aquanaut` [n=user@pool-71-191-49-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 02:37:11 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-132-144.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:22 -!- luz [n=davids@201.29.229.62] has quit ["Client exiting"] 02:45:05 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 02:47:41 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:49:47 dmoerner [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-23-60.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:57:36 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-132-144.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["leaving"] 03:09:09 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:10:24 samth [n=samth@c-65-96-163-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:10:43 seen eli? 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(lambda (proc args) (if (string? proc) (apply string-ref proc args) (error "illegal procedure application" proc)))) ("hello, world" 7)) 03:30:39 Error: unbound variable: set-invalid-procedure-call-handler! 03:30:59 incubot: (use utils) 03:30:59 Error: unbound variable: utils 03:31:08 incubot: (require 'utils) 03:31:09 # 03:31:23 incubot: (begin (require 'utils) (set-invalid-procedure-call-handler! (lambda (proc args) (if (string? proc) (apply string-ref proc args) (error "illegal procedure application" proc)))) ("hello, world" 7)) 03:31:24 Error: unbound variable: set-invalid-procedure-call-handler! 03:31:35 Whoops. 03:31:45 incubot: (begin (require 'lolevel) (set-invalid-procedure-call-handler! (lambda (proc args) (if (string? proc) (apply string-ref proc args) (error "illegal procedure application" proc)))) ("hello, world" 7)) 03:31:45 Error: unbound variable: set-invalid-procedure-call-handler! 03:32:01 synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:32:52 incubot: goddammit. the proper response, you know, is #\w 03:32:54 goddammit, it's expensive 03:33:06 incubot: then amortize it 03:33:08 This note looks nice: http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~hook/cse532f99/Microsoft%20PowerPoint%20-%20amortize.pdf 03:33:09 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/75jl7l 03:34:08 hee hee 03:34:21 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@64.186.207.104] has quit [] 03:36:46 knapr [n=hask@h78n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 03:36:47 is it possible handle 15000*500000 matrices in common lisp? 03:37:55 All things are possible by the Emperor. 03:38:59 Keep in mind if each matrix is but one single byte knapr, that would take up 7 gigabytes of RAM. 03:39:57 each matrix? you mean each [row][column]? 03:40:23 knapr: oh, sorry, I forgot to get back to you in #python. If you have large sparse matrices, you should perhaps look at something like LAPACK or Numpy or another scientific library. 03:40:26 No each matrix. You specified 7 billion matrices in your question. 03:40:59 -!- knapr [n=hask@h78n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has left #scheme 03:41:10 scared away by the thought of a grammar tiff i guess 03:41:33 *synx* flexes grammar muscles 03:47:04 lambda [n=lambda@c-24-5-198-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:33 *offby1* backs away slowly 03:49:10 -!- samth [n=samth@c-65-96-163-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:49:17 -!- melito_ [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 03:49:25 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 03:53:24 incubot: what is the procedure when the procedure enters the channel? 03:53:26 (Type `?' for help with the command-oriented debugger, i.e. what (DEBUG) enters.) 03:53:46 incubot: LOI 03:54:21 -!- wingo-tp [n=wingo@134.Red-81-39-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:56:43 ? 03:57:03 lols on investment -- one of the new financial metrics in this day and age. 03:58:29 saccade__ 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poorly? 09:17:07 http://github.com/why/potion/tree/master/README 09:17:57 klutometis, Sorry I'm too busy fixing design problems in R5RS to reply 09:18:51 vixey: is potion yours? 09:18:56 no 09:18:57 :( 09:18:58 heh 09:19:05 Eleanore [n=a@ip215131.lbinternet.se] has joined #scheme 09:19:10 everyone does this though, and it bugs me too 09:19:27 look at this: Build [html [body [p "TEST" (font="Arial")]]] 09:19:37 python, ruby, bee, falcon, this potion thing, R6RS, arc... everyone is at it these days 09:19:54 wow that's innovative 09:20:05 totally bizarre; and i just got chastised at work the other day for scheming: they ordered me to get back to python 09:20:10 i'm like: why? 09:22:32 it's a safer language 09:22:39 from a social point of view 09:22:45 -!- wingo-tp [n=wingo@122.Red-88-0-165.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:23:14 yeah, but startups are supposed to be full of piss and testosterone 09:23:24 or at least that was paul graham's "secret" 09:23:54 I'm not sure what that means 09:24:01 why is it socially safer 09:25:26 vixey: python is like tattoos, it's a socially mandated form of subversion 09:25:33 ah! 09:25:55 klutometis: Is that python syntax? 09:25:59 I thought python was mainstream though :/ 09:26:32 sjamaan: it's "potion" syntax; a new language du jour 09:26:41 i say python is socially safer because python programmers are easier to come by, python has better libraries, and the python community is much more unified than scheme 09:26:48 scheme's community 09:27:15 klutometis: Looking at the github thing, it's why's 09:27:21 "_why the lucky stiff" 09:27:38 He's written some interesting things in Ruby 09:27:41 sjamaan: why of ruby fame? 09:27:42 aha 09:28:05 aye 09:28:41 kilimanjaro: maybe having a BDFL comes in handy, after all 09:29:09 klutometis, yes, programmers need a philosopher king 09:29:16 heh; very apt 09:29:38 klutometis: I'll accept Felix as my BDFL :P 09:29:43 *klutometis* nominateth Riastradh 09:29:51 actually, felix is a good candidate, too 09:30:05 I don't think he wants the job, though :) 09:30:26 ah, but that's necessary (but not sufficient) prerequisite ;) 09:30:38 Riastradh can be my philosopher king anyday 09:31:06 *sjamaan* should get back to work 09:31:10 I've been slacking all morning 09:31:19 hear, hear 09:36:18 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 09:46:03 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 09:54:55 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:59:33 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 10:01:27 a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has joined #scheme 10:03:53 cracki [n=cracki@47-219.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 10:13:13 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 10:13:45 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89-180-145-85.net.novis.pt] has left #scheme 10:16:03 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit ["Telnet - The client of the future"] 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Are there any particularly good resources? has anyone had any experience working through On Lisp with scheme, and then possibly Let Over Lambda? 16:13:01 On Lisp and Let Over Lambda both suck 16:13:19 tsk tsk 16:13:20 (I hope that helps) 16:13:23 anything better? 16:13:36 *offby1* liked "On Lisp" and recommends it -- with the big caveat that it's about Common Lisp, not Scheme 16:13:37 -!- geckosenator [n=sean@ppp-69-218-241-177.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:40 but seriously, syntax-rules for the insane or whatever it was that's a good thing to read 16:13:48 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C2AC8B.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:14:16 http://eval.apply.googlepages.com/eccentric.txt 16:14:17 this one http://www.xs4all.nl/~hipster/lib/scheme/gauche/define-syntax-primer.txt 16:14:34 yeah same file 16:14:38 -!- brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:14:49 define 'same' 16:14:52 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:15:08 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:15:10 x is the same as x 16:15:14 for any value of x 16:15:44 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:24:45 -!- notyouravgjoel [n=joelmccr@host-64-179-113-99.col.choiceone.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:26:23 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056A42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:13 -!- foof [n=user@c-68-36-145-206.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:38:54 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:39:07 -!- kenjin [n=kenjin@221.162.108.193] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:59:28 it's odd how mzscheme wouldn't start on the latest ubuntu until I installed drscheme 17:03:46 -!- a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:04:52 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 17:08:20 -!- wingo-tp [n=wingo@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:09:14 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@68.60.199.117] has quit [] 17:10:07 the common scheme pages don't seem to be up anymore 17:12:02 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:15:22 -!- jewel [n=jewel@iburst-41-213-8-213.iburst.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:18:08 proq: that is odd. Report a bug, wouldya? 17:18:08 -!- dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:18:23 proq: which Ubuntu -- Jaundiced Jackalope? 17:18:42 imperative ibanez 17:19:03 or was that impetuous ibez? 17:19:06 -!- Gorgoroth [i=Gorgorot@195-132-141-240.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 17:19:09 Oh, that's what I'm using 17:19:39 proq: what does "wouldn't start" mean? 17:20:36 Jaundiced Jackalope -- lol 17:22:28 hey 17:22:28 proq pasted "mzscheme startup" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/73330 17:22:36 yea ubuntu has stupid ass names 17:22:44 even my 1 year old nephew can think up better names 17:24:26 offby1: after that error, the program exits 17:38:38 hey offby1 17:38:51 I gave a talk on scheme at a python meetup. 3 people liked it 17:39:28 does anyone know where the common-scheme code moved to? 17:40:11 http://synthcode.com/scheme/common-scheme/ 17:41:05 I ask that because the synthcode.com page is down 17:41:21 no it isn't i just went there 17:41:25 and has been since yesterday 17:41:35 check your dns 17:41:39 i just opened the page 17:41:58 I refreshed the page and it still got data back 17:42:02 its just down for you. 17:43:10 hmm.. this must be a side-effect of my router breaking yesterday 17:43:25 yea you have dns issues 17:43:33 WorksForMe(tm) 17:46:00 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 17:50:03 hernia [n=chatzill@189.120.162.44] has joined #scheme 17:51:54 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 17:54:12 bweaver [n=bweaver@c-68-59-241-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:54:31 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-68-59-241-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:55:04 bweaver [n=bweaver@c-68-59-241-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:55:58 bweaver_ [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:57:17 -!- hernia [n=chatzill@189.120.162.44] has left #scheme 17:58:35 -!- proq [n=user@38.100.211.40] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:59:30 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 18:04:43 -!- sam__ [n=Sami__@e81-197-69-201.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:06:03 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:10:43 well, it's not just me. third-party DNS lookup services are also giving me the same IP adress that I am getting (209.150.108.170) 18:11:19 *ventonegro* as access the site too 18:11:25 s/as/can/ 18:11:35 with what IP? 18:13:47 -!- mors [n=mors@74.10.5.213] has left #scheme 18:14:00 Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #scheme 18:14:07 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-68-59-241-190.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:17:17 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:17:43 dzhus [n=sphinx@95-24-135-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 18:21:32 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless117.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 18:26:42 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 18:30:28 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:34:49 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 18:36:45 proq: Weird 18:36:52 proq: Some dns misconfig 18:37:03 proq: Who is your upstream provider? 18:40:20 not sure, I'm at work and the people who would know are on vacation 18:44:18 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:45:43 actually, I'm at the portland state business incubator, so it would be PSU 18:48:40 -!- ventonegro [n=alex@187-26-11-138.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:48:48 -!- bweaver_ is now known as bweaver 18:49:53 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 18:53:45 what a waste of taxpayer money... 18:55:14 hyperboreean [n=none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has joined #scheme 18:55:23 waterh [n=waterh@114.143.39.143] has joined #scheme 19:05:14 I'll try Ubuntu once they release Llusty Llama. 19:08:36 -!- Raynes [n=Rayne@AC812B8D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:09:46 -!- waterh [n=waterh@114.143.39.143] has quit ["Think your current client is sexy? Check out Bersirc 2.2! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]"] 19:12:10 Hey anyone want to talk about functors? 19:15:41 Raynes [n=Rayne@AC84E3A4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #scheme 19:19:02 why am I not surprised that the first example for the syntax rules primer doesn't work in guile, but everywhere else? 19:19:20 *proq* looks into cross-compiling another scheme for his zaurus 19:19:54 egaune guile sucks??? 19:22:22 syntax-rules is hard, let's go shopping :) 19:27:16 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 19:27:44 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:57 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 19:29:54 waterh [n=waterh@114.143.39.143] has joined #scheme 19:31:11 melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has joined #scheme 19:39:48 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:40:18 -!- cadsAWAAY [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41:40 damn ddj is going web only 19:41:58 amoe [n=amoe@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust346.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #scheme 19:42:01 proq: the guile syntax-rules implementation is broken, especially wrt. modules 19:42:10 man ddj is dead only 19:42:16 ddj is going to be 1 column 19:43:05 i used to like it a lot 19:43:10 taught me much 19:43:47 i column in the sense? 19:43:57 A part of another magazine 19:44:05 *r2q2* plays prelude op 28 in eminor for djj 19:44:20 anybody knowing if Marco Maggi does use IRC, and if so what network/nick? He's doing the nausicaa R6RS lib collection: http://github.com/marcomaggi/nausicaa/tree/master 19:44:39 He may have been here 19:44:50 some guy was ranting about ikarus i think his nick was ikarus 19:45:03 Fancy that. 19:45:25 No shit sherlock 19:45:28 *rotty* faintly remembers some IRC nick 'icarus' (note the 'c') 19:46:02 *r2q2* goes off and extends scheme48 with category theory and logical programming 19:46:33 *rotty* must finally push his search improvements to http://rottyforge.yi.org/irclogs/ (search by nick, regex, nested boolean expressions) 19:46:39 \o/ 19:46:45 Thanks for doing that, rotty. 19:46:57 :-) 19:47:05 Rotty you still interested in extending s48? 19:47:26 r2q2: i've today ported my FFI lib to s48 1.8 19:48:09 Maybe I will ask advice from you 19:48:10 r2q2: I [cw]ould be more interested if it would support err5rs/r6rs libs 19:48:29 I am trying to create a new experimental language on s48. 19:48:44 Sort of inspired by haskell and logic prgo 19:48:48 *programming 19:48:59 (but In fact, I like the s48 module system quite a bit more, but it sadly happens to be supported by just one implementation) 19:49:10 have you played with haskell? 19:49:26 r2q2: just for a university class 19:49:28 Also, do you think I should write the optimized interpreter in prescheme? 19:49:48 I plan on eventually doing that 19:49:51 r2q2: I think that would make sense 19:49:55 brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 19:50:07 okay cool 19:50:14 maybe you could prototype in Scheme, and then "step down" to PreScheme 19:50:27 yea thats what i am doing 19:53:10 (wrt. advice: I'm happy to help, but I'm not very knowledgeable in PL design and implementation, but I'm gonna get EOPL any day now, perhaps that will help a bit) 19:53:22 ;-) 19:53:29 I think I will just ask for advice 19:53:34 I have it mostly handeled myself 19:53:41 Maybe after the alpha you can help 19:54:01 its not really difficult 19:54:06 s/help/give advice/ 19:54:21 ioh 19:56:14 so basically i am taking category theory and formalizing certain parts of scheme 19:56:18 and adding monads 19:56:26 records become signatures in category theory 19:57:16 don't really know what I can turn modules into 19:57:20 chaoslynx [n=cpehle@p57A738D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:57:32 I plan on making a formal mathematical model of lisp 19:57:33 Coproducts! Coproducts are always useful. 19:57:49 Thanks Riastradh 19:58:09 decker [n=chatzill@71-93-181-7.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:58:45 Throwing out lists for graphs 19:58:56 making a linked list structure a subset of certain graphs 19:58:57 hi. would someone know how to tell scheme to stop displaying results as fractions? 19:59:16 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:59:23 Presumably the results to which you refer are rational numbers. How would you prefer them to be presented? 19:59:52 Riastradh: .5 as opposed to 1/2 19:59:55 And making graphs signatures also 19:59:57 know what I mean? 20:00:01 What about 1/3? 20:00:11 .3, and so on. 20:00:59 Riastradh: makes it easier to double check my junk on a calculator app 20:01:04 Well, .3 -- according to the usual rules of the decimal representation -- is pretty far from 1/3. 20:01:17 Riastradh: gah. stop giving me a hard time here... 20:01:18 So do you want an *inexact* representation of rational numbers? 20:02:12 Well, Scheme would like to represent results faithfully. (Actually, that's not quite true, but what's not quite true about it is irrelevant for the moment.) 20:02:15 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:03:14 butyou piqued my interest Riastradh... 20:03:15 christ... 20:03:30 I really never heard of that before, what are the situations? 20:03:31 So if Scheme has the quotient of 1 by 3, which is different by the quotient of 3 by 10, it will show you the quotient of 1 by 3, not the quotient of 3 by 10. On the other hand, if you want an inexact representation of the number, which is presented in decimal format by default, you can use the EXACT->INEXACT procedure to obtain one. 20:03:49 Riastradh: it's not like I don't already realize that. I explained why I'd rather see stuff with a decimal point and whatnot. so do you know or not? 20:04:15 decker, I was seeding you with the key words -- exact and inexact -- that would lead you to an answer in, say, the R5RS. 20:04:17 decker, what are you babbling about? 20:04:43 vixey, suppose inexact reals are internally represented in a binary floating-point format. 20:05:06 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:05:12 alright 20:05:31 You can probably guess what I'm getting at from my use of the word `binary'. 20:05:57 yeah 1 and 0 20:06:23 If only Scheme were programmable! Then I could choose how to render output as I wished. 20:06:33 Personally scheme should use continuted fractions to represent real numbers. 20:06:46 Then your personal scheme is welcome to do that, r2q2! 20:06:48 oh like lisp you mean?? 20:07:07 Wow!! What if Scheme were like Lisp!? If only. 20:07:21 joking obviously 20:07:37 *vixey* is still not sure if you are talking about custom printer functions.. 20:07:54 mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:08:03 jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:08:27 r5rs write-char 20:08:28 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_628 20:08:29 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/8dossb 20:08:30 Yeah, if Scheme were like Common Lisp, then you would have an elaborate sublanguage for describing a small subset of useful external representations for floats... 20:08:35 -!- mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:43 (in often confusing and counterintuitive ways) 20:08:46 mfredrickson [n=mfredric@c-98-212-171-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:11:23 lol 20:11:30 :( 20:11:52 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #scheme 20:15:50 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-2-142.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:23:57 decker: (exact->inexact 1/3) 20:23:58 rudybot: eval (exact->inexact 1/3) 20:23:58 synx: ; Value: 0.3333333333333333 20:25:38 synx: thanks. although Riastradh did manage to tell me in his round about way. 20:26:10 decker, do you know R5RS 20:26:24 decker, it's /the/ best reference for Scheme imo 20:26:45 vixey: this is a specification I take it? 20:26:53 jah [n=jah@85.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #scheme 20:26:53 yah 20:26:56 yeah* 20:32:53 -!- Qaexl [n=Akashakr@dsl027-162-163.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:33:29 r2q2` [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:36:02 specbot exact->inexact 20:36:11 r5rs exact->inexact 20:36:11 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_idx_346 20:36:12 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/4urkch 20:38:11 decker, by guiding you through the words used to deal with both the concept and its representation in the Scheme programming language, Riastradh both answered your question precisely, gave you tools for googling for further related answers, and gave you the opportunity to think a bit more deeply about the problem so that the answer would then be easy to remember in the future without having to look through a referenc 20:38:17 Bad thing? 20:38:54 rudybot: eval #e0.33 20:38:54 Daemmerung: ; Value: 33/100 20:39:07 rudybot: eval #i1/2 20:39:08 Daemmerung: ; Value: 0.5 20:39:15 I suppose not, but the methodology... 20:40:15 eh, suppose I've been just as guilty on #linuxhelp or what have you 20:40:56 The more precisely you phrase a question here, the crisper the responses will be. -- probably not a dynamic unique to this channel, you're right. 20:43:23 -!- brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has quit [] 20:43:35 X-Scale [i=email@89.180.224.140] has joined #scheme 20:45:02 does anyone have code for unit testing all the parts of a scheme implementation? 20:45:39 proq: any substantial Scheme implementation contains unit tests. Good starting place for theft. 20:45:59 sounds like larceny 20:46:26 What am I, your straight man? Get outta here. 20:46:47 *Daemmerung* sees sunshine outside, takes own advice 20:47:31 Daemmerung: I don't know if I saw that movie 20:47:49 I predict the winner of this unit test will be unlikely 20:48:10 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:48:52 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 20:49:20 *proq* hides from the pun police 20:49:22 that's a good question about unit test, proq. 20:49:56 there's SRFI 64 and 78 20:50:05 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-64/srfi-64.html 20:50:06 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-78/srfi-78.html 20:50:24 Check if they fit your needs. 20:50:47 foof [n=user@c-76-99-30-44.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:51:13 X-Scale, Daemmerung thanks 20:51:18 :) 20:51:35 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 20:51:48 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:52:41 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 20:52:44 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:53:49 Ah...if you want to explore deeper into the theme of unit testing check also " "IEEE Standard for Software Unit Testing: An American National Standard, ANSI/IEEE Std 1008-1987" 20:53:50 http://iteso.mx/~pgutierrez/calidad/Estandares/IEEE%201008.pdf 20:54:32 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 20:54:51 hemulen [n=hemulen@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 20:55:05 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@64.186.207.104] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:56:03 tonyg_ [n=tonyg@118-92-212-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 21:01:35 -!- tonyg_ is now known as tonyg 21:02:57 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 21:04:47 proq: most systems have at least a port of Jaffer's "r4rstest.scm," tweaked for their own expectations and suitably enhanced. Your problem with lifting some copy of that will be not getting everything else that comes along with it. (Eg PLT's test suite is enormous, as you might expect.) Perhaps best to lift SCM's copy, as that one should be fairly close to its roots. 21:06:44 Unless you're ready to start fixing bug in Unlikely, though, I'd instead choose a Scheme that includes its own test suite. 21:06:46 -!- bpalmer [n=user@unaffiliated/bpalmer] has left #scheme 21:08:25 proq: there's also a bunch of fairly portable non-SRFI unit test libraries out there, for example testeez and test-manager 21:08:46 *proq* tests r4rstest.scm with guile 21:08:50 rotty: I think he's looking to test a Scheme implementation, not write tests themselves. 21:09:00 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:09:18 ah, right 21:09:30 -!- Gracenotes is now known as Gracenotes_away 21:13:17 -!- bweaver [n=bweaver@c-67-161-236-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:13:28 hrm, I may have to dumb down that test to work with unlikely. or just disqualify it 21:14:35 Is it failing the inexact numerics suite? 21:15:39 no, it's hanging 21:15:59 Hanging where? 21:16:57 aha, before it hangs, it's erroring in section 3 4 - undefined symbol: record-error 21:17:47 rudybot: eval: (define cur-section '())(define errs '()) 21:18:00 rudybot: eval (define record-error (lambda (e) (set! errs (cons (list cur-section e) errs)))) 21:18:01 Make sure that your copy isn't referencing some Guile-specific feature. That's the danger of lifting Guile's unit test: it is a unit test for Guile. 21:18:14 I lifted scm's unit test 21:18:29 That should be pretty darn tapioca, then. 21:18:58 rudybot: eval record-error 21:18:58 proq: ; Value: # 21:20:20 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:23:38 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.119.62] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:24:47 oh, seems more of a problem with its repl, if anything. I will have to load the code from file 21:30:31 -!- r2q2` [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 21:34:11 -!- Raynes [n=Rayne@AC84E3A4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:34:25 Raynes [n=Rayne@AC84E3A4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #scheme 21:35:43 -!- waterh [n=waterh@114.143.39.143] has quit ["Think your current client is sexy? Check out Bersirc 2.2! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]"] 21:37:21 synthase [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:39:20 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:41:03 -!- tonyg [n=tonyg@118-92-212-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:42:44 -!- dnm [n=dnm@97.sub-75-197-7.myvzw.com] has quit [] 21:52:32 -!- dzhus is now known as dzhus[afk] 21:57:04 -!- pitui [n=pitui@doh.research.att.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:18 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 22:04:16 -!- jah [n=jah@85.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 22:13:48 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 22:16:33 kuribas [i=kristof@d54C2AC8B.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 22:20:20 -!- dzhus[afk] is now known as dzhus 22:26:34 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-62-183-102.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:32:03 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 22:35:49 ExcelsisD [i=email@89.180.181.146] has joined #scheme 22:37:56 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.224.140] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:38:30 -!- ExcelsisD is now known as X-Scale 22:43:12 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46:40 jberg [n=moo@24.84-48-213.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 22:50:25 okay, going to take functional programming this semester (and my uni uses sicp, yay), but im wondering what the best scheme enviroment/compiler/interpreter/whatever is for linux and windows? i have emacs obviously 22:51:26 for linux, I really like mzscheme 22:51:54 okay, what about windows? and mac 22:52:06 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:52:46 no idea 22:53:01 mkay 22:54:04 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has left #scheme 22:54:27 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@217.205.201.45] has joined #scheme 22:55:31 SISC is written in java it should run on anything 22:55:40 it's half decent too 22:56:52 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:56:57 okay, ill check it out 22:58:16 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:59:40 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-111-61-198.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 23:01:16 brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 23:01:28 jberg, drscheme 23:02:17 jberg, i liked scheme48 when i used it, there is scheme48.el for use with emacs (or just cmuscheme.el, i'm not even sure what distinction to make between these two anyways) 23:02:29 i mean, when used with scheme48 23:03:53 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@88.235.95.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:08:33 hm, maybe i should just use emacs + slime + sbcl. i liked that when i learned common lisp 23:08:38 kryptiskt [n=irc@c83-249-224-126.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 23:08:56 yeah ..... except that it doesn't do scheme 23:09:25 well no 23:11:33 does scheme have anything like slime? 23:16:35 jberg: there's slime48, for scheme 48 1.3 (only) 23:18:17 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@dhcp-18-111-61-198.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:18:54 Riastradh didn't port it to scheme 48 > 1.3 because of several incomaptible changes in later versions 23:20:17 rotty, hm okay 23:20:44 That's only part of the story. It relied on too many internal details of Scheme48, to be fair. The protocol used by SLIME also changed in various ways, and has never been documented anyway, by intent of the SLIME developers. 23:21:25 -!- orgy` [n=ratm_@pD9FFE808.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Gone."] 23:21:51 tonyg [n=tonyg@118-92-212-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:22:23 why is that? that slime is not documented, that is 23:23:28 okay, what about windows? and mac 23:23:41 mzscheme works for me on os x and windows 23:23:46 You're asking the wrong person. My guess is that its creators see it as a personal project for their own Lisp hacking, which turned out useful to some people, but which they don't have time to formalize, and whose formalization might stagnate it. 23:23:51 But that is only my guess. 23:24:53 okay, thanks for all the answers. ill check out a few different things 23:25:35 ExcelsisD [i=email@89.180.189.190] has joined #scheme 23:26:47 -!- jlongster [n=user@c-68-59-187-95.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:29:09 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.181.146] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:29:13 -!- ExcelsisD is now known as X-Scale 23:31:04 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B056A42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:32:36 -!- tonyg [n=tonyg@118-92-212-74.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has left #scheme 23:36:26 -!- kuribas [i=kristof@d54C2AC8B.access.telenet.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:38:03 -!- Mr_Awesome_ [n=eric@pool-98-115-118-219.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["aunt jemima is the devil!"] 23:39:12 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:44:33 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:44:37 -!- vixey [n=vicky@amcant.demon.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 23:44:45 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:58:24 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@pool-98-115-118-219.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme