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00:35:24 jimi_hendrix: not necessarily 00:35:34 there are a lot of interpreters out there 00:35:42 but there are also some very nice compilers 00:35:51 ok so its both 00:36:37 you shouldn't ask if a language is compiled or interpreted anyway, since most popular languages are both :p 00:36:46 there are even C interpreters 00:37:13 tcc 00:37:25 na was just curious 00:37:28 thanks 00:37:32 -!- jimi_hendrix [n=Jimi__He@unaffiliated/jimihendrix/x-735601] has left #scheme 00:42:44 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 00:45:36 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 00:45:43 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 00:46:23 qen [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 00:46:53 -!- qen is now known as Guest96325 00:47:54 jimi_hendrix: note, that scheme allows side effects occur during macro expansion 00:48:08 -!- Guest96325 is now known as kenp 00:48:38 -!- kenp is now known as Guest93203 00:49:00 So, it's possible to design a program that does everything during macro expansion and consequently is only usable when interpreted 00:50:39 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:50:49 Student [n=Magical@5ac32715.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 00:56:01 -!- Guest93203 is now known as ken_p 00:58:10 mgs` [n=phantom@pool-173-48-126-91.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:58:23 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:58:48 anyone want to sell me a copy of SICM/SICP :) Amazon prices are steep atm. 00:59:30 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 01:00:04 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:02:08 mgs`: it's free online, by the way 01:02:12 or are you a paper fetishist? 01:02:21 klutometis: no!!!!!! where?!?! :) 01:02:30 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html 01:02:40 SICM isn't online, though, as far as i can tell 01:02:45 i had to shell out for that one 01:02:45 *mgs`* gives klutometis high-5 01:02:48 heh 01:02:53 well you just saved me $60 anyway 01:02:54 ;) 01:03:05 whoops: http://mitpress.mit.edu/SICM/book.html 01:03:13 http://mitpress.mit.edu/SICM/ 01:03:15 wahoo!!!!!! 01:03:29 Are the schemer books free too? 01:03:31 I bought those 01:03:38 klutometis: hivemind 01:04:09 mgs`: afaik, no 01:04:26 if you are talking about http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/BTLS/ 01:04:31 Mr-Cat: heh 01:05:09 Mr-Cat: yeah, that was my first scheme book :) 01:05:15 -!- langmartin [n=user@adsl-074-167-038-128.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:05:31 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 01:05:39 i'm trying to forget all my bad programming habits and relearn everything from kernighan and sussman (and anyone else you guys reccomend) 01:06:17 But I believe, it's possible to find an illegal copy (didn't try though) 01:06:52 mgs`: Ough, to forget programming and relearn it? 01:07:41 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #scheme 01:07:57 Mr-Cat: just trying to get away from all the bad languages i've spent time learning and focus on the good ones 01:08:14 "bad" for my style that is 01:09:02 Vaeshir [n=zane@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:17:02 mgs`: what were those *bad* languages ? 01:22:20 r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:15 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 01:23:56 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:29:09 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:29:59 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 01:34:47 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:36:01 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:37:56 X-Scale: I'm gonna guess Java, C#, C++... 01:38:43 maybe perl, sans "use strict;" 01:40:25 mgs`: am I right? :p 01:43:46 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.97.127.46] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:45:02 oSand [n=heartles@203.97.179.3] has joined #scheme 01:52:42 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:58:48 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #scheme 02:00:38 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:04:25 Seems, that people on #scheme doesn't like java/c# and even c++ much 02:04:32 annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 02:05:56 s/doesn't/don't 02:07:32 yes, java and c++ has made me bitter 02:07:36 i love c though 02:08:23 ozy`: you are qute right ;) 02:08:46 C can be nice 02:09:31 i wish i had started with c instead of c++ :) 02:09:40 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 02:09:47 and so C++ can be nice, too. :) 02:09:52 but, no more whining out of me ;) 02:10:39 Java has been developed so that unqualified people can get a high salary job. C++ designed so that no one knows how to properly program with it. 02:10:43 most languages have their merits just like spoken language, and I appreciate that. 02:10:59 Axioplase: hehe, dead on. 02:11:37 Axioplase: I would love to hear your feelings on Python/Ruby ;) 02:12:26 Or more generally "what do you think about *the language of the month* ?" :) 02:12:46 ruby was made so that people could have some of the niceties of smalltalk and scheme, while still being fairly perl-ish 02:13:04 dsfdsafds__ [n=dsafsdaf@unaffiliated/dsfdsafds] has joined #scheme 02:13:08 -!- dsfdsafds__ [n=dsafsdaf@unaffiliated/dsfdsafds] has left #scheme 02:13:09 python was made to sacrifice all else for the sake of readability 02:15:38 X-Scale: a friend called me last week asking if i knew anything about a "brand new language named 'On Rails'" .... 02:16:38 *ozy`* headdesks 02:16:52 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 02:17:17 nothingHappens_ [n=nothingH@12-226-78-3.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 02:23:23 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 02:23:53 mgs`: lol...you should not forget that one for your autobiography :) 02:25:01 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 02:26:56 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-148-198.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:27:54 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-148-198.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:28:35 -!- Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:28:43 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:32:31 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 02:32:46 X-Scale: hehe ;) 02:37:02 dsmith [i=b3ahjoxz@cpe-71-74-230-225.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:38:01 annodomini [n=lambda@64.30.3.122] has joined #scheme 02:38:38 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 02:38:51 Yeah. I don't program in Ruby but I do Perl. I think Ruby is a Perl for those who can't speak fluent Perl (for Perl is hard.) 02:39:36 (ie. I don't dislike Ruby) 02:40:45 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:48 I always found perl hard to keep in my head 02:44:32 tried learning it a few times so I could be like the cool kids 02:45:05 each time, I managed to waddle through writing a single program, only to promptly forget how to do anything 02:47:32 Read the Llama's book. Fun and clear. 02:48:29 Perl is much more fun to learn with the original camel book. With Job and sons and daughters and his camel enterprise. Clay Tablet Carrier Pigeon Protocol. Heh. 02:50:32 brweber2 [n=brweber2@63.167.64.249] has joined #scheme 02:52:34 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:53:41 Axioplase: I'm speaking strictly of my pre-ruby experiences with perl.... these days I can switch much more easily between one language and the next, and I retain new languages much more quickly 02:53:45 including perl :p 02:56:35 gribozavr [n=grib@193.138.147.22] has joined #scheme 02:56:53 Perl++ # Although it has its downsides, I have yet to find a replacement for doing actual work that's better. 02:58:21 Mr-Cat [n=Mr-Cat@bahirkin1507.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 02:58:30 My friend switched to ruby... When I asked him why, he said it was because ruby had this awesome thing called classes and objects, and it made his code really nice to structure things like that. 03:00:06 Many unfortunately has little higher level programming experience when they start using perl. They suck at it, see another language and examples of how to program properly, and conclude it's perl that sucks and not simply that they previously lacked the neccesary knowledge to do nice programs. 03:05:03 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 03:08:55 Ruby basically steals everything in Smalltalk and Scheme that isn't nailed down, I would definitely rate it above Perl as a language. and I learned to program in saner languages before ever programming in Perl. 03:09:50 but at least LW isn't Guido. 03:10:57 Am I seeing rightly that this is #scheme? 03:11:55 Well, as far as i see, #scheme was turned into #guido for a while... 03:12:10 -!- jimt [n=jim@202.27.212.33] has left #scheme 03:12:28 along with #R5RSSuckz vs. #R5RSRulez 03:17:44 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 03:21:00 -!- synthasee [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:23:21 annodomini [n=lambda@c-75-69-96-104.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:23:54 -!- oSand [n=heartles@203.97.179.3] has left #scheme 03:28:47 elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #scheme 03:29:28 synthasee [n=synthase@c-69-243-234-165.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:35:51 -!- hark [n=strider@hark.slew.org] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:40:39 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:44:14 Raynes [i=kvirc@AC8207CB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #scheme 03:48:35 incubot: pickle you, kumquat! 03:48:37 Or we could say that the universe exists in one atom of a larger kumquat. 03:52:55 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [No route to host] 03:59:06 ha, I didn't know incubot. 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05:20:59 hml: Did you try the R5RS pitfalls tests? 05:21:08 it's not r5rs yet 05:21:12 it's more sicp chapter 4ish 05:21:36 i haven't tried any r5rs tests at all 05:21:56 i'm hoping to find the "the blah blah blah fox jumped over the blah blah blah dog" of "if cons lambda define set! ..." 05:25:43 oh well, i guess this is motivation enough to make it r5rs compliant 05:27:37 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176203203.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:44 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176221073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 05:34:02 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:37:27 dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:41:58 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:47:03 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:51:22 nataraj [n=natarajs@122.164.236.231] has joined #scheme 06:06:35 iHi 06:06:52 anybody using armpt scheme for Arm7tdmi 06:07:49 -!- ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:08:56 -!- dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:13:20 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [] 06:13:28 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:17:28 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:19:36 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 06:20:24 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:30:29 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.170.68] has left #scheme 06:35:13 underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet125-121.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:36:03 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@naist-wavenet125-121.naist.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:51 underspecified_ [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:37:54 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:40:26 -!- underspecified_ [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 06:42:57 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:43:08 -!- cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:43:12 -!- nataraj [n=natarajs@122.164.236.231] has left #scheme 06:44:21 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 06:44:39 naming convention ... what's a good one, for allowing interpreted scheme access to certain implementation details / internal funcs? 06:44:52 they'd mostly not be used ... but i want to make them accessible just in case 06:45:32 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 06:50:17 JKGpp [n=juergen@dslb-088-066-194-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 07:03:08 cracki [n=cracki@42-178.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 07:08:47 -!- underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has quit [] 07:10:38 underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-155.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 07:12:23 -!- Raynes [i=kvirc@AC8207CB.ipt.aol.com] has left #scheme 07:14:42 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 07:21:44 hml: #fun-name or ##fun-name seems convenient 07:22:11 (that's Gambit's choice). 07:22:24 But your READ has to support it too 07:24:48 olgen [n=jacobm@2005ds3-by.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 07:30:58 athos [n=philipp@p54B8446F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 07:33:01 ejs [n=eugen@92.49.233.143] has joined #scheme 07:34:30 ssinkovskiy__ [n=ssinkovs@195.238.190.247] has joined #scheme 07:40:01 -!- JKGpp [n=juergen@dslb-088-066-194-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 07:45:07 -!- cracki [n=cracki@42-178.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:45:50 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:46:40 ken_p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has joined #scheme 07:46:46 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-235-98.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 07:49:47 -!- glorybox [n=ssinkovs@195.238.191.213] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:53:58 jon_ [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:00:25 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:06:38 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:07:16 -!- jon_ [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:07:28 jon_ [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:07:50 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92.49.233.143] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:08:16 -!- jon_ [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:08:26 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:08:59 kazzmir__ [n=kazzmir@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:09:10 -!- kazzmir_ [n=kazzmir@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:14:53 jewel_ [n=jewel@dsl-242-132-215.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:41:12 glorybox [n=ssinkovs@195.238.190.247] has joined #scheme 08:41:20 -!- lambda [n=lambda@c-24-5-198-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 08:42:13 -!- ssinkovskiy__ [n=ssinkovs@195.238.190.247] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:42:21 lambda [n=lambda@c-24-5-198-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:50:23 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0575DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 08:51:34 tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has joined #scheme 08:56:05 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [] 08:57:44 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 08:58:58 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [Client Quit] 09:02:48 fschwidom [n=fschwido@dslb-088-068-075-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 09:13:43 dudrenov [n=user@c-69-181-124-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:15:11 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 09:15:18 I fill guilty for having start to read RWH without finishing SICP 09:15:57 as I should be, I think. 09:16:40 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0575DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:18:16 rtra: you should be feeling guilty 09:18:50 rwh = real world haskell? 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16:02:19 bpt_ [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:02:42 probably Appels book 16:02:47 Compiling with Continuations 16:02:59 note: This is only the best out of everything I've read 16:03:13 there is probably lots of good stuff on readscheme too 16:03:13 -!- foof` [n=user@c-68-36-144-62.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:04:12 Is there a digital version of Appel available or Amazon is the only option? 16:06:15 -!- isomer`` [n=isomer@CPE001310e6cb31-CM0011aec5e684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:07:04 Huh... readscheme.org seems to be down... 16:07:42 Anyway, vixie, thanks for the link. 16:08:17 error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:11:10 Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #scheme 16:13:01 fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.123.145] has joined #scheme 16:14:15 no you have to get the real book 16:19:33 chaoslynx [n=cpehle@p57A74DC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:20:05 -!- errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:20:07 -!- bpt_ [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24:20 -!- olgen [n=jacobm@2005ds3-by.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 16:26:08 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:28:27 ssinkovskiy__ [n=ssinkovs@195.238.191.213] has joined #scheme 16:28:47 -!- glorybox [n=ssinkovs@195.238.191.213] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:29:21 bpt_ [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:30:35 foof``` [n=user@c-68-36-144-62.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:39:55 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 16:45:15 -!- foof`` [n=user@c-68-36-145-206.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:47:12 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #scheme 16:49:35 -!- bpt_ [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:53:13 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-132-215.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:53:43 rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 16:56:00 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 16:57:03 NorthStar [i=email@89.180.135.172] has joined #scheme 16:58:07 sarahbot: armpit scheme is http://armpit.sourceforge.net/ 16:58:17 -!- NorthStar is now known as X-Scale 17:00:44 Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has joined #scheme 17:05:26 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 17:06:20 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 17:06:47 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 17:14:11 dnm [n=dnm@105.sub-75-198-154.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 17:19:56 -!- cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 17:20:29 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:48 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-251-157-51.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 17:26:17 -!- ttmrichter [n=ttmricht@221.234.215.33] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:27:20 forcer [n=forcer@e179198112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 17:28:44 -!- Arelius [n=Indy@209.77.67.98] has quit [] 17:34:37 Anyone happen to know of a shell variable that lets me know whether a script is running as superuser? 17:35:13 Am I right that cps transformation can turn growth of control context (i.e. stack) into growth of environmnt or whatever else, but cannot eliminate the growth of something at all 17:36:24 If USER=root? 17:37:17 You may try to invoke getuid via FFI 17:38:08 edw: You may implement library in C, which will contain all sytem-specific functions you need and then access it via FFI 17:39:24 edw: Or wrap your scheme script in bash script, which will pass your scipt all the necessary parameters 17:39:42 I'm writing a shell script... I want to tell people: you, you need to run this as root... 17:41:07 edw: ps -elf n | awk -v"PID=$$" '$4==PID{exit !($3=="0")}' ; echo $? 17:41:37 (obviously, replace -v"PID=$$" with the pid of the shell script) 17:43:28 That assumes GNU ps, I believe. 17:44:06 if [ "$UID" -ne "$ROOT_UID" ]then exit - should work on bash I believe. Can't check it for now 17:45:59 The format of busybox ps's output is even easier; column 1 is the pid and column 2 is the user ID. I can't tell if there's a way to force that to a numeric value rather than a string. 17:47:33 -!- dlurf [n=dlurf@ua-83-227-225-58.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 18:03:09 -!- Vaeshir [n=zane@c-66-31-28-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:05:30 rtra_ [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 18:10:23 -!- kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:10:38 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:11:58 -!- ramki [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:14:41 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:15:47 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:17:15 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:19:53 decker [n=chatzill@71-93-181-7.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:24:19 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:24:42 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 18:25:02 howdy 18:26:16 so I found this demo-lisp thing on google code, which claims to do most of the stuff you'd find in the sicp book. so I figure I'll kill two birds with one stone, try and understand the demo-lisp code, and read the sicp book at the same time. 18:26:26 course right away this is happening: http://rafb.net/p/6LMhYL90.html 18:27:12 anyone know much of anything about demo lisp and/or what that error I'm getting means exactly? 18:27:45 How to interpret that? 18:27:48 decker, I'd advise against it 18:28:02 decker, reading some newbies half assed attempt to implement lisp in C isn't really going to teach you much 18:28:05 Did you type (define (foo x) (* x 1)) ? 18:28:23 sjamaan: yeah. 18:28:25 decker, not much point me saying that though, there's probably lots of people that got the same idea as you 18:28:28 vixey: alrighty 18:28:50 vixey: ha, nah, I'm listening. 18:28:51 decker: And it gave that error right away? 18:28:58 sjamaan: yep. 18:29:12 decker: Then it probably doesn't understand the shorthand form for define 18:29:21 Try (define foo (lambda (x) (* x 1)) 18:29:53 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:29:54 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 18:31:42 sjamaan: thanks 18:32:28 vixey: in my defense, mit scheme isn't available as a fedora package, and last time I tried to get it to compile it barfed. although that was on mandriva... 18:32:41 decker: The error you saw was caused by it trying to evaluate the (* x 1) part and assigning it to the "variable" (foo x), or something 18:33:03 decker, oh. 18:33:17 It _should_ tell you it's an invalid define form, instead 18:33:19 decker, I Think you could use most any scheme for SICP .. but there are a few changes to the language since the book 18:33:31 (or actually, it _should_ just allow the shorthand form) 18:33:41 Sounds like DrScheme? 18:33:43 You're probably better off using a real scheme anyway 18:33:53 forcer: Not this time :) 18:33:57 :-) 18:34:01 It got better, too 18:35:04 ha, drscheme is no good? because I was going with that one too... 18:35:07 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:35:22 nah, it's ok 18:35:36 It just has these annoying "language levels" that confuse the shit out of people 18:35:50 -!- dzhus [n=sphinx@93.81.176.130] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:36:19 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:36:22 drscheme is good -- and confusing :) 18:36:28 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:36:37 haha, I hear that. although the first one, "Module" seems to be working ok so far. should I be going with something in particular when it comes to sicp? 18:37:22 decker: I tried demo-lisp, it doesn't even know how to make closures 18:37:33 You really don't want to be going through SICP with it 18:38:16 so dr scheme it is then. but again, is there any particular language I should choose when doing the sicp exercises and whatnot? 18:38:32 Just pick "pretty big", I think that has enough 18:38:44 alrighty. thanks. 18:39:11 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:39:25 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:40:56 brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 18:42:45 Doesn't sicp use that MIT-specific stuff, like "nil" for '() and "define-datatype" for adt? 18:45:18 (define nil ()) 18:46:06 vixey: Please, don't paste define-datatype implementation here ;) 18:47:12 I mean, isn't MIT scheme better for a novice-and-sicp-reader? 18:48:37 Mr-Cat: He said it didn't work on his box 18:48:45 Mr-Cat: I would say drscheme is good for a novice 18:49:06 sjaaman: Ah, sorry, missed this 18:49:39 np 18:51:09 well, technically I said it didn't work out for me on mandriva. I'm giving it a go on fedora right now 18:51:36 Anddecker: Did you try to build it from source or used pre-compiled binaries? 18:51:39 but then this is some other confusing junk. you have source and portable source and need to bootstrap and gah! 18:51:51 s/Anddecher/decker/ 18:52:12 trying the linux x86 binary right now. if that doesn't work then yeah, onto source 18:54:13 decker: There is a package in this repo: http://math.ifi.uzh.ch/fedora/. 18:54:54 yeah, I saw that. f9 though. and I'm on f10. but I suppose I could try and find a source rpm. 18:54:58 anyhow, I'll manage 19:10:00 decker: Anyway, any modern scheme will be compatible with most sicp code, I believe 19:15:27 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:20:24 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #scheme 19:23:34 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0560B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:38:19 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:41:47 mike___ [n=mike@dslb-092-074-007-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 19:46:03 pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 19:50:15 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:51:14 -!- mike_ [n=mike@dslb-088-066-250-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:52:01 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:01:16 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless104.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:02:59 saccade_ [n=saccade@c-69-247-77-130.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:09:38 reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:13:42 aardvarq [i=tgAardva@student3113.student.nau.edu] has joined #scheme 20:13:43 incubot: Make coffee the drug of choice. Let it flow without limit, preferably the strong Italian kind, from every machine in every corridor, 24 hours per day. 20:13:45 'Filogeografia' in italian, I never heard it before 20:14:30 mejja: wow, what tragic health problems would ensue! ;) 20:15:07 proq: http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/drugs.html 20:16:11 pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 20:17:17 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:18:19 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:19:34 mejja: just replace green tea with coffee there and I'm good :) 20:19:50 coffee gives me severe indigestion 20:21:03 tarbo [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #scheme 20:22:29 Do you mean `replace coffee by green tea', or `substitute green tea for coffee'? 20:23:10 -!- pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 20:23:40 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 20:24:11 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 20:26:36 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.89] has joined #scheme 20:28:06 *jcowan* unvanishes. 20:30:44 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@c-69-247-77-130.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:33:31 -!- incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36:01 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:38:10 incubot [n=incubot@24-205-65-135.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:40:05 langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 20:40:19 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-2-241.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:44:09 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:45:12 -!- ken_p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:48:02 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-124.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 20:48:51 If I want to download the entirety of the PLT Scheme documentation for offline use, is there a nice convenient package/document somewhere, or should I just reach for wget? 20:49:57 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/ ? 20:50:31 -!- brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 20:50:59 brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 20:52:11 -!- Tankado [n=Woodruff@bzq-79-176-144-12.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [] 20:53:20 Yeah... is there a downloadable package of it's contents, or should I just mirror it the old fashioned way? 20:54:09 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:59:16 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:59:34 Aren't these docs included in installation packages? 21:02:45 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:17 The help menu items in DrScheme seem to just bring me to the site... so if they're included I'm not sure where. 21:03:58 -!- Kusanagi [n=Motoko@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 21:05:30 kniu [n=kniu@pool-71-107-51-222.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 21:05:48 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:05:52 loscar [n=carlhame@AMontsouris-157-1-83-50.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 21:06:36 -!- reprore [n=reprore@ntkngw604176.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:06:43 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.135.172] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:07:37 bombshelter13, does it bring you to plt-scheme.org? 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23:31:13 homoiconicity 23:32:06 aspect: thnx 23:32:11 haha I wouldn't call it a "special clever word" 23:33:56 Well, I didn't know how to explain my question better 23:35:17 its not a clever word but it does make you look smart 23:35:25 Its a 10 dollar adjective. 23:35:53 Mr-Cat: Just giving you a hard time. 23:41:58 it's one of those words that everyone feel like they're dealing with lofty and rarefied matters 23:42:40 you can't even play it in scrabble, unless there's a convenient "icon" and "city" already layed down 23:43:15 or maybe "om" and "conic" 23:43:52 brweber2 [n=brweber2@64.186.207.104] has joined #scheme 23:50:36 but when the stars align just right you keep pounding them languages along the isohomoiconibara... 23:50:46 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"]