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Blue. Ow. 03:09:55 the color scheme is butt-ugly, I know 03:10:13 I'd like my photoreceptors back, please. They just shrivelled up. 03:10:41 this is just a sneak-preview, exclusivly for #scheme, for limited time only! ;-) 03:11:24 -!- JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 03:11:52 Riastradh: the color scheme (and coloring code) originated from this http://mjr.towers.org.uk/software.html#other 03:11:59 rotty: dude, why would you spend time on dotted cells and saturated colors before functionality? 03:12:09 (i.e. irc2html.scm) and I haven't changed it yet 03:12:57 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:12:58 klutometis: I didn't spend any time on this, see above 03:13:24 in mzscheme, how do you tell if a string starts with a given prefix? 03:13:37 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 03:13:49 s/changed it yet/changed the color scheme yet/ 03:15:23 rudybot: eval (regexp-match? #rx"^foo" "foo bar") 03:15:24 eli: ; Value: #t 03:15:29 Elly: like that 03:16:10 ah, okay 03:16:17 I was looking for string-prefix? and not finding it 03:16:53 Ah, in that case you can use either regexps or DIY. 03:17:14 rudybot: eval (regexp-match? (string-append "^" (regexp-quote "foo")) "foo bar") 03:17:14 eli: ; Value: #t 03:25:07 string-prefix? is in srfi-13 03:25:22 (probably shipped with mzscheme) 03:26:02 ack 03:26:09 having to double-escape . inside of regexes is weird 03:29:26 -!- underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has quit [] 03:31:10 wow, how does one do file I/O in mzscheme? 03:31:48 Depends on what you mean by "file I/O". 03:32:50 I want to read lines from a text file :P 03:33:40 *Elly* is an extremely inexperienced scheme user 03:34:02 Elly: Install 4.1.3, then use (file->lines "file") 03:34:46 -!- kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:35:27 kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 03:36:33 hm...4.1.3 isn't in portage 03:37:02 Which version are you using? (4.1.3 is still a good idea.) 03:37:20 4.1.2 03:37:50 In that case, you can do this: (for/list ([line (in-lines (open-input-file "some-file"))]) line) 03:39:21 it does not like "for/list" 03:39:45 Are you using any weird language? 03:40:10 nope 03:40:15 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:40:27 Are you using drscheme or mzscheme? 03:40:50 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 03:40:52 mzscheme 03:41:03 And how are you running the code? 03:41:50 I have it inside of a module 03:41:54 -!- kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:42:01 And how does the module begin? 03:42:12 when I (require) the module from the REPL, it complains that "for/list" is unbound 03:42:17 (module parse mzscheme 03:42:26 doesn't require anything, provides "parse" 03:42:35 Use (module parse scheme ...) 03:43:15 Alternatively, get rid of the (module ...) wrapper, and just use a `#lang scheme' at the top. 03:43:45 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:44:22 yay, it works :) 03:44:46 You can also use (regexp-split #rx"\n" (call-with-input-file "foo" (lambda (in) (read-string (file-size "foo") in)))) 03:45:19 that seems less elegant 03:45:31 BTW, `call-with-input-file*' is a better idea, and that applies to both cases. 03:46:12 for example: (call-with-input-file* "blah" (lambda (in) (for/list ([line (in-lines in)]) line))) 03:47:47 ahh 03:47:51 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:48:01 kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 03:49:35 w00t 03:49:41 I am also using emacs for pretty much the first time :P 03:49:48 it is an experience 03:50:48 You know that drscheme will be more beginner friendly than emacs, right? 03:53:03 I do, yes 03:53:09 but I'm a command-line junkie :P 03:53:20 (I'm a longtime vim and SML programmer trying to pick up scheme) 03:53:27 bpt [i=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:53:41 You can use drscheme to edit and debug, then still run stuff on the command line. 03:54:15 Or you can just continue using vim -- picking up Emacs at the same time you pick up Scheme would be a lot. 03:54:49 -!- kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:55:04 kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 03:55:19 I don't know either way really 03:55:28 vim's syntax highlighting for scheme is a bit odd 03:55:35 (e.g., it thinks "#rx" is a syntax error) 03:55:53 I'm sure, it's a specific PLT syntax. 03:56:09 Emacs won't help you there either. 03:57:55 emacs is not as rude about it :P 03:58:06 is there a different scheme I ought to be using 03:58:07 *? 03:58:30 I was just using drscheme myself. 03:58:30 A different scheme? 03:58:31 hey 03:58:36 you're talking about syntax highlighting here too 03:58:48 I've been on #vim for the last hour or two trying to figure something out 03:58:50 to no avail 03:58:57 how to get the #; comments to highlight properly 03:59:36 Elly you can customize the scheme syntax by putting rules in ~/.vim/after/syntax/scheme.vim 04:00:06 if you look at /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/scheme.vim (or whatever version) you can see the sort of things they've already done... 04:00:48 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 04:01:20 Elly do you know how to get #; comments to work in vim? (or in anything?) 04:01:44 *synx* doesn't really care for plt's #syntax type stuff. 04:02:12 There is no `#syntax' in plt. 04:02:29 (set-lang! scheme) would have been better than \n#lang scheme\n IMO 04:02:40 ??? 04:02:44 sorry eli I meant # starting a line followed by stuff. 04:03:09 hard to set a language without starting with a language in the first place heh. 04:03:13 (set-lang! scheme) is bogus on several hundred levels. 04:03:18 (switch-language! scheme)? 04:03:31 Just as bad. 04:03:44 `#lang' is not switching a language. 04:04:08 Well (module scheme ...) is nice, but remembering that last parentheses and extra tab, it seems like it'd be better to just have a modifying statement for a module level "language setting" 04:04:39 Like I said, this is nonsensical on multiple levels. 04:04:42 So you have "#lang scheme" to add that stuff as a shortcut, but I just don't like the syntax of said shortcut very much. 04:05:14 It is not just a shortcut. 04:05:38 So it's different than specifying the text of the module inside of (module)? 04:05:53 -!- z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:06:01 `#lang scheme' will wrap the file in a module, yes. You can do the same with a `module' expression (and if you're confused about the end paren then you need to improve your editing habits). 04:06:24 But `#lang' does more than that -- the language specified can come with its own reader. 04:06:41 Oh okay. 04:07:16 In any case, (switch-lang! scheme) is bogus, because it *is* already assuming that you have a reader set to read this very expression, 04:07:31 and it assumes that there is already a language to give a meaning for `switch-lang!' 04:07:37 Both of these assumptions are wrong. 04:07:52 So what is the reader for the "#lang scheme" syntax? 04:08:10 And more than that -- it is not just `switching until the next #lang line' -- it determines the syntax for the whole file. 04:08:33 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:09:16 The default reader is the one that knows about `#lang', but th `#lang' syntax itself has nothing to do with s-expressions. 04:09:54 So the default reader cannot do something like (set-lang! scheme)... 04:10:26 It could, but that would be superficially confusing. There is no reason to make it look like parentheses around a scheme symbol. 04:11:25 `(set-lang! scheme)' could be parsed just like `-*- language: scheme -*-' or `module language: scheme' or whatever -- the first one just makes you think it's a plain expression when it's not. 04:11:50 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 04:13:46 -!- hadronzoo [n=user@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:16:18 guess so. 04:19:34 rotty: you are a hero for supplanting the later ircbrowse.com. 04:19:41 s/later/late 04:21:23 I'm not sure why I'm getting this error: "include: read error (read: #lang expressions not currently enabled) in: foofile..." 04:22:45 in that file, I have #lang scheme and it's set to module language... I even (require (lib "include.ss")) and in the file I want to use foofile, I require the same thing, and simply do: (include "foofile.ss") - checking the directory, all the files are in the same directory... any ideas ? 04:22:55 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:24:28 before this include in the calling file, I include a previous file, barfile.ss, so it looks like this: (require (lib "include.ss")) (include "barfile.ss") (include "foofile.ss") and yet, barfile is read without a problem... but barfile is not set to module like foofile is... could this be the problem? 04:24:42 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:24:55 -!- Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-68-228-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:25:12 Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-68-228-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 04:25:30 replor_ [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:26:14 -!- bzzbzz [n=franco@modemcable027.191-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["leaving"] 04:28:18 a1len_ [n=James@pool-98-112-86-91.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:30:04 -!- replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:31:25 replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 04:32:00 anyone? this is kind of troubling... even after searching, I didn't get favorable results... 04:33:24 CaptainMorgan: you shouldn't use #lang in a file that you include. 04:33:43 More likely you should just `require' the file instead. 04:37:21 eli, ok, so how do I use require if I have to use R5RS and not Module? 04:37:40 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:37:48 -!- phao [n=phao@20158133062.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:37:53 If I switch to R5RS and try it with require, it fails with "reference to undefined identifier: require" 04:38:02 If you use r5rs then you can't use `include' either. 04:38:17 omg 04:38:22 this is so confusing 04:38:40 What exactly are you trying to do? 04:38:43 Why? Have you read R5RS? No `include' in there. 04:38:44 I've thrown out include, per your advice 04:38:46 phao [n=phao@20158133062.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 04:39:00 so why now can't it find require ? 04:39:50 You can use `#%require', but that's a non-standard extension. 04:40:46 (Sorry that came off so snarky.) 04:41:59 all I want to do is: have three files, A, B and C. B requires C. C loads fine and is simply R5RS. B uses #lang scheme or Module and requires (lib "include.ss") and include(s) C. Now, I want A to include B which would inherently include C. 04:42:43 hm 04:42:50 does regexp-match? return the matching subgroups? 04:43:01 what ? 04:43:08 CaptainMorgan, what's this about rotty replacing ircbrowse? 04:43:10 I must know! 04:43:25 rudybot: eval (regexp-match? #rx"a(\d+)" "a123") 04:43:25 Elly: error: eval:1:18: read: unknown escape sequence \d in string 04:43:30 rudybot: eval (regexp-match? #rx"a(\\d+)" "a123") 04:43:30 Elly: ; Value: #f 04:43:36 hm... 04:43:43 gnomon, what ? 04:44:02 gnomon, no f'ing clue what you're talking about 04:44:23 CaptainMorgan, the R5RS provides no way to organize your program into separate files or top-level environments. 04:44:43 CaptainMorgan, sorry; I misattributed a comment from Daemmerung to you. Apologies. 04:44:46 CaptainMorgan, any organization you want must be written specific to MzScheme, and separate from whatever you want to be expressed only with the R5RS. 04:44:54 Riastradh, so I tried to make them both R5RS and include them both from A, using two include calls... that didn't work either 04:45:16 Elly: to use `\d' you need #px"...\\d..." 04:45:24 Pray explain what you mean by `didn't work', CaptainMorgan. 04:45:30 and to get the matches you need `regexp-match' instead. 04:46:02 *gnomon* hugs rotty 04:46:24 wait... it did work... so making them both R5RS and including them from A worked... had a typo before. Everything seems to be in order now.... side note, so it's not possible at all to organize the original way I wanted? 04:46:34 ah, okay 04:47:00 *CaptainMorgan* slaps gnomon for not making any sense. 04:47:19 *gnomon* gives CaptainMorgan a wedgie for not listening to what Riastradh wrote 04:48:03 *CaptainMorgan* listened... but didn't or doesn't fully understand 04:48:18 not using MzScheme... :( 04:48:23 r2q2 [n=user@c-71-228-37-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:48:31 -!- replor_ [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:48:59 Not using MzScheme?? In what other Scheme system do `#lang', `(require (lib "include.ss"))', and other such fragments turn up? 04:49:41 Riastradh, please don't humor yourself thinking you're talking to someone that knows something... :) 04:50:41 my understanding is: Scheme, and/or Plt-Scheme... so you're saying MzScheme is an underlying framework that things like #lang is coming from ? 04:51:35 PLT Scheme is a collection of software and languages most of which (if not all of which) runs on the MzScheme engine. 04:53:13 ah... ok. thank you 05:02:50 -!- gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has quit ["Leaving."] 05:03:42 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A072A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:03:53 benny [n=benny@i577A072A.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 05:08:26 -!- a1len_ [n=James@pool-98-112-86-91.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:09:08 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 05:21:02 -!- kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21:10 kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 05:22:08 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:26:12 -!- replor [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:29:38 underspecified [n=eric@softbank220043052011.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:30:03 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-154-233.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:30:42 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:34:50 Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:38:56 rcy [n=rcy@shop.freegeekvancouver.org] has joined #scheme 05:40:33 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 05:48:19 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-154-233.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["leaving"] 05:53:00 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 05:56:46 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["?"] 06:01:32 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 06:04:08 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:14:38 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 06:20:45 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-71-228-37-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:24:01 -!- MelanomaSky [n=Melanoma@c-98-207-156-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 06:24:16 ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #scheme 06:42:19 -!- rcy [n=rcy@shop.freegeekvancouver.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:47:20 anyone here tried jazz scheme? 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07:17:03 -!- a1len_ is now known as a1len 07:17:03 pretty please? 07:17:07 Can you wait three days? 07:17:13 no 07:17:18 Sorry. 07:17:23 Actually, I think you're lying. 07:17:26 I think you can wait three days. 07:17:33 Care to wager a bet? 07:18:10 How do I collect the wager if I win? 07:18:26 is there a way to download a beta? 07:18:42 this just seems like a really cool scheme and i'd like to try it out 07:18:53 The winner gets gloating rights. 07:21:18 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:21:56 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 07:22:11 -!- a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:22:50 a1len [n=James@unaffiliated/a1len] has joined #scheme 07:23:27 Riastradh: just out of courisity, do you have access to Jazz scheme? 07:23:47 No. 07:23:47 i'ma bout to start a project, and not sure whether to go with chicken 3.4 / emacs or wait for jazz to come out 07:27:23 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-27-158.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 07:45:04 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-59-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:46:46 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A072A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:48:47 elmex [n=elmex@e180065011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 07:59:43 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 08:05:21 hml,riastradh: i 08:05:27 'm sure gcartier passes this when online 08:23:45 tjafk [n=timj@e176200071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 08:25:25 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176200071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 08:26:17 tjafk [n=timj@e176200071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 08:44:08 can anyone here walk me through compiling mit-scheme for 64 bit intel gnu/linux systems? 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I dreamed that I was porting PLT to 64-bit Windows. I think that qualifies as a "night terror." 13:45:51 hi bw 13:45:57 BW^- oops 13:47:49 -!- xan_ is now known as xan 13:49:14 daemmerung: not so much 'night terror' as 'product of a diseased brain'.. have you considered shock treatment? 13:49:43 hey 13:52:14 Last night I dreamt I went to Boston again 13:52:23 The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. 13:53:50 and when you gaze into the abyss, it stares back into you. 13:54:55 aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has joined #scheme 13:54:58 (obviously talking about vista64 programming, there) 13:58:22 Daemmerung: your nightmare -- but Eli's life 13:58:48 I'd rather dream of lobster and overpriced apartments, I think. 13:59:24 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:59:45 (again, your nightmare, Eli's life) 13:59:48 as far as I can tell, my cat dreams of mice 14:04:37 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 14:10:55 Daemmerung: actually, it probably wouldn't be too problematic at the mzscheme level. 14:11:52 eli: PLT is already 64-bit Linux clean, right? And the win64 ABI is reasonable. 14:12:25 Of course, some lucky soul has to make scheme/foreign work. 14:12:25 Yes, mzscheme runs perfectly fine on my linux machine running on x86_64, and even at the time when Matthew fixed related things, they were pretty minimal. 14:12:38 The foreign interface works fine too. 14:12:54 It's the machine that I'm doing 99.9% of my work on. 14:12:59 win64?? 14:13:03 And the one that runs the nightly builds. 14:13:09 No, linux. 14:13:21 But a 64 bit machine. 14:13:41 Sure. So the scary part is done. 14:13:42 The only noticeable difference is the lack of mzscheme-level stack traces on errors. 14:13:46 Yes. 14:13:56 ejs_ [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #scheme 14:14:02 errortrace is broken? That's a strange thing to have stop working. 14:14:16 No, the thing that you get without errortrace. 14:14:35 Okay. 14:14:40 -!- gigabytes [n=gigabyte@host141-12-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 14:14:42 Which is based on jitted functions, so you don't see exact details. 14:15:12 Overall, Windows is pretty annoying in being so different, but it has a hige advantage in that things very rarely break at the low level interface level... 14:15:39 I don't think I'm going to need Win64 any time soon. It was just a night terror. 14:16:00 If I do need it, well, I know what to do. 14:16:08 (whiiiiiiiiine) 14:16:39 I suppose we'll get to it soon enough... 14:16:57 Somebody will need it, and then you or they will get to it. 14:17:51 I can report that WOW64 - the Win32-on-Win64 subsystem running within 64-bit Win systems - hosts MrEd apps just fine. 14:18:17 Yeah -- but given that everything is fine on linux, it's probably going to be mostly work on the "configuration area" -- maybe a bit more on the gui front. 14:18:36 IOW, it's probably not going to be a nightmare. 14:22:04 -!- phao [n=phao@20158133062.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:28:21 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:32:46 drdo [n=psykon@wifi.ist.utl.pt] has joined #scheme 14:36:47 -!- drdo [n=psykon@wifi.ist.utl.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:36:57 -!- maxote [n=maxote@84.79.67.254] has quit [Client Quit] 14:36:58 -!- ecraven` is now known as ecraven 14:38:27 -!- masm [n=user@213.22.190.91] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:39:11 maxote [n=maxote@84.79.67.254] has joined #scheme 14:44:40 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["He rode off into the sunset. . ."] 14:44:57 hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:47:38 annodomini [n=lambda@130.189.179.215] has joined #scheme 14:52:42 -!- alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:53:00 alaricsp [n=alaricsp@relief.warhead.org.uk] has joined #scheme 14:54:10 -!- exexex [n=chatzill@85.96.236.218] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:58:29 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B05533A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:58:43 synthasee [n=synthase@68.63.20.12] has joined #scheme 15:00:02 -!- higepon927 [n=taro@FL1-122-130-138-220.tky.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:16:38 -!- Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:16:52 Mr_SpOOn [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 15:17:12 ilSignorCarlo [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 15:17:56 -!- ilSignorCarlo [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Client Quit] 15:18:39 mejja [n=user@c-4db6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 15:20:42 ilSignorCarlo [n=Mr_SpOOn@89-97-102-218.ip17.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 15:21:52 incubot: Hasta la vista, baby! 15:21:54 BTW, vista has interesting issues --- I'll have to install Vista on a VM. 15:23:50 jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:23:59 sorbet, why hast thou forsaken us ? 15:27:34 incubot: when will Sarahbot be back? 15:27:36 am i going back to bed, or will i go to university anyways? ;) 15:27:41 "back" 15:27:46 incubot: rudynot 15:27:49 incubot: rudybot 15:27:51 eval |x(quote y)| 15:28:08 rudybot: eval |x(quote y)| 15:28:09 offby1: error: reference to undefined identifier: |x(quote y)| 15:28:25 rudybot: eval (quote |x(quote y)|) 15:28:25 offby1: ; Value: |x(quote y)| 15:32:11 langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has joined #scheme 15:32:13 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #scheme 15:43:46 -!- kniu [n=kniu@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:46:08 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@93-138-16-213.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:47:40 lol, i reinvented srfi 65 (well slightly different) 15:49:37 kniu [n=kniu@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 16:07:53 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 16:09:08 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 16:13:42 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 16:15:37 umis [n=umis@prudent-gloryer.volia.net] has joined #scheme 16:30:31 benny [n=benny@i577A15BE.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 16:30:36 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-24-61-150-59.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:31:54 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:33:23 phao [n=phao@20158133062.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 16:34:22 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 16:36:29 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-168-33.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:37:19 Hey is there any way to pass a port into plt-scheme's FFI? Like getting its file descriptor maybe? 16:37:30 -!- proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:38:08 -!- glorybox [n=ssinkovs@80.91.178.218] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:38:31 No. 16:39:19 bummer 16:40:11 A port doesn't necessarily have a file descriptor. And there is buffering, character encoding, etc. 16:40:45 (Actually, you can pass a port into the FFI if you're willing to deal with it as a Scheme_Object*.) 16:43:14 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 16:44:12 Yes well... 16:44:38 How do I get a file descriptor? 16:45:17 NNshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-154.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 16:47:57 proq [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 16:49:29 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:50:29 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless226.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:52:13 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 16:53:30 synx: It is possible -- see `scheme_get_port_file_descriptor' 16:53:48 It's a function at the C level, but it's easy to use it through the ffi. 16:54:12 Ohh I see how that could work. 16:54:30 Yeah just have to make sure it really is a port with a file descriptor, easy enough to do in this case. 17:03:14 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heavyweight ;) 20:18:22 zbigniew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0s5Kn9QXtU 20:18:41 klutometis: maybe when I get off work... 20:19:33 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19:35 yeah, it sucks; but python is just "lispy-enough" to satisfy most non-conoisseurs 20:19:53 but getting real work done is going to be a pain 20:21:06 pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 20:22:23 i've interviewed at a number of shops over the last couple weeks where people palpably cringe at the name of "scheme" 20:22:35 what the hell is everyone so afraid of? 20:22:40 Parentheses! 20:22:46 They scare the bejeezes out of most people 20:23:03 i guess so; are they too "mathy" or something? 20:23:13 People think you have to count them all, I think 20:23:20 i mentioned scheme and had one had one guy condescendingly ask me if I learned it in college 20:23:43 Also, whenever you get lots of parens in "regular" languages, it's often because your code is too complex 20:23:49 i'm like no, but I learned your mom in college 20:23:51 And it becomes hard to get it right 20:23:54 zbigniew: heh! 20:24:06 needless to say, i didn't get the job 20:24:11 That's a nice comeback 20:25:02 bizarre; unless i find evidence to the contrary, i'm going to assume that parens evoke some pre-historic fight-or-flight pathology 20:25:19 Eye spots. 20:26:31 Riastradh: as in, cleverly disguised butterflies; or the onset of glaucoma? 20:26:44 I was thinking more of butterflies. 20:27:31 Riastradh may be on to something; though I always assumed that parens would evoke mammary-like comfort in mammals. 20:28:05 Which digs deeper into the ingrainment of evolutionary past -- mammary glands or eye spots? 20:30:25 Modern flight-or-fight vis a vis parens may be evidence, then, for the primordiality of eye spots. 20:34:30 (.) <-- eye spot, or mammary gland 20:37:36 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-168-33.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit 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Where is the video? 21:35:25 on the page 21:35:53 not for me 21:36:40 normal flash video streaming thingy 21:36:51 ah, then that's why 21:36:54 was a nice fast feed too :p 21:37:02 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-228-143.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 21:37:40 *sjamaan* was wondering if there was a regular video for download 21:37:47 Suppose not 21:39:09 erm, an off topic question for native speakers: how would you spell 'hawabanga'? google is not being helpful. 21:39:27 sladegen: what language is that? ;P 21:39:30 i don't even know that word 21:39:36 Cowabunga? 21:39:41 english 21:39:54 As in "cowabunga, dude!" 21:40:00 i know that word only from hearing... 21:40:08 -!- mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:40:36 mbishop [n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop] has joined #scheme 21:41:03 yup, ninja tutrles... 21:41:09 sjamaan: thx 21:41:14 yw :) 21:42:23 lol 21:42:57 *sladegen* pets urban dictionary. 21:43:38 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-154.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:49:32 attila_lendvai [n=ati@131.31ec54.tvnetwork.hu] has joined #scheme 21:55:52 saccade_ [n=saccade@65.78.24.47] has joined #scheme 21:57:03 apgwoz [n=apgwoz@som-somis-50.med.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 22:17:25 -!- cemerick [n=la_mer@75.147.38.122] has quit [] 22:21:54 mtrimpe [n=mtrimpe@94.157.166.220] has joined #scheme 22:26:10 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #scheme 22:26:27 puchacz_ [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:27:07 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31:21 -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has quit ["Smile! 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Thanks! 23:42:36 r5rs let* 23:42:36 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_idx_128 23:42:37 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/6d5gul 23:43:07 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:44:50 JohnnyL [i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:50:31 -!- puchacz_ [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:51:40 -!- kib2 [n=kib@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 23:53:32 cky [n=cky@203-211-87-20.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:56:04 nicholasw: What kind of reference do you want? 23:56:45 nicholasw: There is TSPL for R5RS Scheme, in addition to the normal standards. If you want an implementation specific reference, then you are best served by reading the implementation documentation. 23:59:03 -!- chaoslynx [n=cpehle@p57A7401A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit]