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y/n 02:30:35 If the orbital period is normal, it can't not contain 69 (and every other number). 02:32:50 And for any 8 digits at all, there's a 7% chance of them containing 69. 02:33:45 (closer to 8% assuming no leading zeros) 02:34:18 Not to mention the arbitrariness of the decmal base. 02:34:22 Decmal, even. 02:34:26 Decimal! 02:34:38 *foof* oils Riastradh's i key 02:38:02 And the arbitrariness of the orientation of human heads and genitalia. 02:39:37 someone has been reading xkcd 02:40:03 *foof* is still working on (/ (sqrt 8)) 02:40:31 rudybot: eval (/ (sqrt 8)) 02:40:34 offby1: ; Value: 0.35355339059327373 02:40:38 there ya go 02:40:42 whoah! 02:40:49 rudybot: There are children present! 02:43:06 grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:43:50 venusian or earth days? 02:47:25 -!- grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:40 grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:54:16 p1 pasted "FUSE hello world file system in Chicken" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/68296 02:54:31 \o/ 02:55:19 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:55:52 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 02:56:20 wonder how that'd look in PlT 02:57:17 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:28 p1dzkl: Awesome, make an egg! 03:00:55 -!- elmex [n=elmex@e180066211.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:01:21 I think I'll do that once I cleaned it up and added some writing functions 03:02:18 elmex [n=elmex@e180066108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 03:02:34 poliquin [n=poliquin@dsl-63-249-85-206.cruzio.com] has joined #scheme 03:05:28 -!- grettke [n=grettke@CPE-65-31-132-59.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 03:09:36 la la la 03:09:48 Riastradh: are you in MA for the long weekend? 03:18:43 Aphrodite in indeed mighty. 03:18:48 s/in/is 03:19:36 I saw her lift a Volkswagen one, by herself 03:19:38 once 03:19:45 'course it was one of those Beetles, but still. 03:29:13 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless145.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:33:19 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:33:21 cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:40:23 dnm [n=dnm@cpe-67-246-46-208.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:47:27 jonrafkind [n=jon@c-98-202-86-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:03 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-201-22.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:10:23 tjafk2 [n=timj@e176221023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:15:14 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:15:42 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 04:15:57 -!- synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit [Client Quit] 04:16:06 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 04:18:41 DUM de dum 04:18:59 yeah. 04:26:14 -!- tjafk1 [n=timj@e176202243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:54:38 proqesi [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #scheme 05:00:19 yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 05:09:42 -!- wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has quit ["sleep time is now"] 05:17:26 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-160-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 05:19:06 apathadeus [n=apathade@CPE0013f7bd4a18-CM0013f7bd4a14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:20:48 -!- apathadeus [n=apathade@CPE0013f7bd4a18-CM0013f7bd4a14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:46:03 *Daemmerung* abides 05:54:49 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:56:00 (in the parlance of our times) 06:08:47 yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 06:20:35 -!- papermachine [n=ahoman@61.152.106.169] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:21:56 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-19-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 06:24:49 papermachine [n=ahoman@61.152.106.169] has joined #scheme 06:32:46 tizoc__ [n=user@r190-135-14-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 06:32:46 -!- cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:38:22 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-61-3.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:42:23 cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 06:43:09 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-160-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 06:43:23 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-160-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 06:43:25 -!- hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-160-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:47:31 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 06:50:28 -!- tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-19-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:54:45 -!- Adamant_ [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 06:58:27 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:16:02 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [No route to host] 07:18:48 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 07:19:24 *gnomon* just finished System Shock 1 07:19:27 w00 07:20:31 been meaning to play that.. 07:21:26 Bloody good game. 07:23:42 you kidding? 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Hey I have to use this VR in order to continue further? I can't stop spinning! Oh I'm dead again. Laaame. 07:25:30 *gnomon* shrugs 07:26:28 I can appreciate the skill and refinement necessary to play bluegrass, but I'm not a big fan of the music. 07:26:30 I'm not a big 1st person fan anyway. 07:26:34 Different strokes, different folks. 07:27:15 Good point. 07:27:19 The controls seem to optimized for a gamer with more than ten fingers. 07:27:25 Fortunately, I've got an advantage there. 07:27:38 uh oh 07:32:04 -!- proqesi [n=user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:39:45 -!- papermachine [n=ahoman@61.152.106.169] has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:13 tizoc [n=user@r190-135-4-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 07:43:58 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:51:20 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:57:32 -!- tizoc__ [n=user@r190-135-14-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:10:50 xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has joined 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#scheme 09:18:38 i actually have a keplerian model of the solar system in scheme that generates right ascension and declination for all planets from an arbitrary vantage point 09:18:53 problem is, it takes ~17 hours to compute ~22,000 data points 09:19:12 i may have to look into scheme optimization for the first time 09:19:17 ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has joined #scheme 09:19:36 embarrassingly, most of my projects hitherto have been non-performance-sensitive 09:22:05 but it even compares to the jpl ephemeris within a 1e-4 tolerance 09:49:47 klutometis, it might be fastest just to rewrite all of it in C 09:50:49 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 09:51:17 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit ["Quit"] 09:51:37 gambit was good, never tried bigloo 09:51:42 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 09:58:47 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:59:37 kib2 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Is there something like IN-NAMESPACE (similar to IN-PACKAGE of CL) in Kawa Scheme? 14:54:50 rotty [n=user@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 14:55:21 -!- gigabytes [n=gigabyte@host103-237-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 14:56:01 aiur [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has joined #scheme 14:57:02 -!- rotty [n=user@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:58:24 rotty [n=user@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 14:59:14 -!- rotty [n=user@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has left #scheme 15:02:01 -!- aiur [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02:42 aiur [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has joined #scheme 15:05:38 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.86] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:07:13 hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 15:13:40 slom [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 15:18:19 sm [n=sm@pool-71-104-89-154.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:20:46 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B054C26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 15:22:49 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 15:25:48 xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has joined #scheme 15:26:29 -!- sm [n=sm@pool-71-104-89-154.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 15:34:31 DrScheme complains that trace is not defined when i try to use it. Why may that be? 15:35:24 -!- Balita [n=ase3w4e3@p7220-ipbfp1401fukuokachu.fukuoka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 15:40:29 macdice [n=macdice@78-86-162-220.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:40:48 bsmntbombdood [n=gavin@97-118-116-90.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 15:40:56 errordeveloper [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:43:31 -!- certainty [n=closure@dslb-082-083-154-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:46:26 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:48:03 (require trace) 15:50:49 -!- error_developer_ [n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:07:29 -!- grnman [n=grnman@c-76-110-165-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:21:14 -!- xwl [n=user@221.221.145.203] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:23:00 Daemmerung: doesn't work says require: expected a module name as a string, a `lib' form, or a `planet' form, found something else 16:23:43 i tried the name as a "string" and 'string didn't work either. 16:30:21 (require (lib "trace.ss")) ? 16:31:12 type trace ... press f1 ... 16:31:32 slom: nope require: expected at least two strings with lib, found only 1 parts 16:32:29 cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has joined #scheme 16:32:38 slom: do you have drscheme? does it work for you? 16:32:39 -!- cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:33:16 To load: (require (lib "trace.ss")) 16:33:18 -!- cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has left #scheme 16:33:26 To load: (require (lib "trace.ss")) 16:33:33 cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has joined #scheme 16:33:35 says the manual ... 16:34:23 do you have plt 4? 16:34:55 I put that on the definitions window of DrScheme. 16:35:06 DrScheme v 4.1.1 16:35:07 (require "mzlib/trace") ? 16:35:52 really: type "trace", move the cursor over the word and press F1 ... should pop up the help 16:37:12 (require trace) 16:38:24 wrong ... (require mzlib/trace) 16:38:42 this one should work ... really ... trust me ... ;) 16:40:11 -!- ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has quit ["bbl"] 16:40:39 -!- slom [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:41:25 slom [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:41:46 -!- slom [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:42:25 slom_ [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:42:29 cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:42:52 -!- slom_ [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:43:29 slom_ [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:44:34 slom: thanks 16:45:13 It doesn't but thanks anyways, i'm using guile now. 16:45:19 :-D 16:45:55 vy [n=user@88.230.190.201] has joined #scheme 16:46:03 Any Kawa users around? 16:46:13 -!- ormvegr [n=art@65-100-216-32.slkc.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:46:55 papermachine [n=Eien@61.152.106.169] has joined #scheme 16:50:14 -!- cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has quit [] 16:53:51 darx: which language level are (were...) you using? 16:54:49 vy: probably not; it's not a popular dialect in these parts. 16:56:32 Daemmerung: Actually, project appears to be quite active (SVN commits dates back to September, 2008) and mature. Moreover, I'm quite amazed by its feature-rich infrastructure and ease of use. 17:01:00 vy: "these parts" meaning #scheme. 17:01:25 Personally, I have no opinion about Kawa, since I don't use Java. 17:03:36 Daemmerung: Neither I use Java, but it doesn't prevent me from considering availability of Java libraries in Lisp. 17:06:12 -!- macdice [n=macdice@78-86-162-220.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:08:54 Stand down on the advocacy, man. Use what you want to use. I was opining that you are unlikely to find other Kawa users here. If it works for you, great. 17:10:02 And perhaps you'll encourage lurking Kawa users to 'fess up. 17:10:45 -!- hemulen [n=hemulen@cpe-069-134-114-252.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:13:12 -!- tizoc [n=user@r190-135-4-140.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:13:14 tizoc_ [n=user@r190-135-19-214.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 17:13:28 melito [n=melito@wireless-am10.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 17:15:25 *offby1* glances around nervously. 17:15:31 I was young. 17:16:56 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 17:23:49 Daemmerung: Advanced Student 17:28:13 darx: you need to switch to Module in order to `(require trace)'. 17:28:51 Thanks 17:29:51 melito_ [n=melito@0-1b-77-8d-1b-b.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 17:31:35 -!- slom_ [n=slom@pD9EB4A24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:37:06 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 17:37:51 -!- bzzbzz_ [n=franco@modemcable006.84-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:43:54 xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has joined #scheme 17:50:05 -!- melito [n=melito@wireless-am10.ucsd.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:50:15 sodio [n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net] has joined #scheme 17:52:14 -!- melito_ is now known as melito 17:52:29 vasa [n=vasa@mm-126-93-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 17:59:14 -!- aiur [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has left #scheme 18:01:58 xhanjian [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has joined #scheme 18:04:07 -!- vy [n=user@88.230.190.201] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:11:35 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-206-125-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:20:11 jcowan [n=jcowan@dsl-74-209-19-190.taconic.net] has joined #scheme 18:21:30 *jcowan* unvanishes. 18:22:08 a-s [i=root@93.112.68.42] has joined #scheme 18:24:05 besiria [n=user@ppp083212085040.dsl.uom.gr] has joined #scheme 18:25:34 -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:26:57 -!- darx [n=darx@82-37-17-145.cable.ubr03.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:28:31 emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 18:30:18 -!- xhanjian [n=Jan@218.109.91.183] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 18:34:05 melito_ [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 18:34:05 -!- cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:34:12 -!- melito [n=melito@0-1b-77-8d-1b-b.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:36:33 -!- besiria [n=user@ppp083212085040.dsl.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:41:35 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:43:31 cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 18:51:27 *offby1* favors the Tenured Professor language level 18:53:03 offby1: is that the one that emails eli for the code? 18:54:30 -!- sodio [n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:56:05 that's the one that handwaves some code that doesn't compile, then emails it to a graduate student to make it actually work :-) 18:56:13 wastrel [n=wastrel@nylug/member/wastrel] has joined #scheme 18:58:48 hm. what's Xach's favorite keybinding to compile a defun with maximum debugging? 18:59:26 aha! C-u C-c C-c 19:00:08 doh. wrong channel! 19:00:11 sorry 19:02:34 *mbishop* doesn't get it 19:03:05 unless you pronounce C-u C-c C-c as "Kook" 19:03:22 mbishop: sorry, I meant to be asking in #lisp; it was a SLIME question. 19:03:23 karlw [n=user@dsl081-068-221.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #scheme 19:03:26 mm hmm 19:05:26 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:05:37 sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 19:07:00 cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has joined #scheme 19:07:08 Hello! I am working on a program in Scheme to convert a parse tree to an abstract syntax tree -- does anyone have any experience/advice/can answer questions, or knows of any good documents/pages with examples? 19:07:43 where did you get the parse tree from? 19:07:51 most parsers generate an AST by default.. 19:08:11 Ah, it's part of an assignment 19:08:16 oh 19:08:21 I'm just having trouble with some ideas behind stuff, and I'm looking for guidance 19:08:30 Perhaps not on-topic. 19:08:30 well.. it should be fairly trivial. just walk the tree and create a new node for whatever type you have 19:08:31 I'm not trying to be rude, but is there a way to write MrEd application that doesn't look "ugly" in OSX? 19:08:53 cdehaan, well can you ask a specific question or possibly paste some code? 19:09:47 jonrafkind: Well, the transition from one to the other is essentially removing all syntax from the tree, so that the tree is just the actual work that needs to be done, yes? 19:10:13 karlw, I doubt it.. but you can try sparkle, I just googled but couldn't find the link 19:10:23 its supposed to use nicer widgets but still use mzscheme underneath 19:10:30 cdehaan, right 19:10:34 cdehaan: Do you have a specification for exactly how each data type is implemented. 19:10:48 *? 19:11:26 karlw: data type of the nodes, or..? 19:11:58 Well, "nodes." 19:12:50 you should have things like op = expr operator expr 19:13:04 Right 19:13:17 we have a grammar to use 19:13:26 an extended calculator grammar of sorts 19:19:39 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:23:12 jonrafkind: Yeah, Scheme unfortunately seems lacking in terms of Mac programming. (Even though PLT isn't Scheme, it's *cough*R6RS*cough*, but I'm not trying to start a flame war over standardization :-) ). It would make sense to write something like a "Simple FFI and Binding to WX" SRFI. 19:23:31 saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 19:23:36 plt is r6rs? 19:23:54 oh are you trying to say plt forced itself on the r6rs standard? 19:24:06 not that I care.. 19:24:30 ffi's arent standard so I don't know if you could make a srfi out of it 19:25:50 I don't really care about politics in the standardization. 19:26:18 mred does use WX 19:26:41 It uses a deprecated version. 19:26:48 well it forked a long time ago 19:28:05 I know, and it's been heavily integrated into Scheme so it's hard to keep current. 19:29:23 I dont know what the future plans are but if I had to guess I would say the current WX implementation would be ripped out and replaced with pure ffi bindings 19:30:07 My head is exploding thinking of how to write a wx binding in vanilla R5RS. 19:30:22 r5rs doesn't have ffi, afaik 19:30:53 I guess that real programmers use cat :-) 19:31:14 yes, I let my cats do all my programming 19:31:34 real programmers write their keyboard driver from the bios prompt 19:31:36 -!- kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:31:37 they are pretty good at tail call optimization, they can sit there all day just looping around 19:32:59 I guess it would be nice to have an FFI in, say, ERR5RS. 19:32:59 -!- cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:33:03 they aren't great at continuation passing style, however. One of them usually grabs a continuation and refuses to return it, and goes sit in the corner chewing on it 19:33:34 lol 19:34:00 maybe ffi will make its way into r7rs 19:34:06 hold your breath 19:35:13 That's a good idea, I can survive without air for 10 years. 19:40:02 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #scheme 19:40:17 -!- cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has quit [] 19:40:58 I could also write a letter to Intel about chapter 5 of SICP and get them to make an SRFI. 19:41:15 -!- OceanSpray [n=karl@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:42:33 cubix [n=cubix@CPE0013100506c1-CM001692411b42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 19:46:22 pokey19 [n=pokey19@DE8C5.VPN.Dal.Ca] has joined #scheme 19:46:27 hello 19:47:11 is it possible to define several different lists, and each will share a common tail? 19:47:25 pokey19: Yes. 19:48:46 besiria [n=user@ppp083212085040.dsl.uom.gr] has joined #scheme 19:50:12 ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:37 (define front (list 0 1)); (define example (cons front 2)); (print example); => ((0 1) . 4) 19:52:58 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@65-78-24-47.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:53:08 arcfide: i'd like to attach 'example' to the back of 'front'... so that it would return (0 1 2)... 19:53:19 rather than ((0 1) . 2) 19:53:35 what am i doing wrong there? 19:55:26 you need to use set-cdr! 19:55:42 cons appens X with a list, if X is itself a list then it wont be what you expect 19:56:16 ok, thanks jonrafkind :) 19:56:34 are you using plt 4.x? 19:56:53 if so, it will be set-mcdr! isntead of set-cdr 19:57:14 4.01, yes 19:57:27 ok, (require scheme/mlist) I think 19:57:35 and you have to construct the lists as mlist 19:58:53 in Dr Scheme, i should be selecting "Module" , right? 19:59:10 i never can remember this 20:00:49 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:01:31 -!- melito_ [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:05:05 rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 20:05:40 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 20:12:12 -!- karlw [n=user@dsl081-068-221.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #scheme 20:19:14 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 20:24:48 mejja [n=user@c-7d2472d5.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 20:27:42 offby1` [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has joined #scheme 20:30:39 pokey19, yea module is a good one 20:34:11 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:39:49 -!- offby1 [n=user@q-static-138-125.avvanta.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:39:51 -!- offby1` is now known as offby1 20:49:53 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:59:32 -!- Jarvellis [n=andrew@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:02:22 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:18:47 melito [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 21:24:56 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-126-93-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 21:25:55 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:31:17 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:33:00 sarahbot: yow 21:33:00 Intra-mural sports results are filtering through th' plumbing... 21:33:36 sarahbot: Are you into sports? 21:33:37 I like sports- 'specially basketball. 21:37:52 -!- ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has quit ["bbl"] 21:39:36 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:40:20 cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has joined #scheme 21:40:43 Hello! How can I get the first element of (cdr '("T" ("F" sum"))) 21:41:41 i.e. "F" 21:44:23 -!- cdehaan [n=Cody@urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-14.wireless.rochester.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 21:45:21 caadr? 21:45:30 (too-late) 21:48:43 -!- NaNO2x [n=NaNO2x@vergil21.u.washington.edu] has left #scheme 21:49:45 -!- pokey19 [n=pokey19@DE8C5.VPN.Dal.Ca] has quit [] 21:50:37 (Put down your caadr. You have twenty seconds to comply.) 22:03:57 melito_ [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 22:04:02 lelf [n=Lelf@217.118.90.95] has joined #scheme 22:04:26 -!- melito [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:10:08 Cale_ [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 22:12:30 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 22:12:56 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:14:27 -!- Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:14:30 -!- Cale_ is now known as Cale 22:16:30 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:19:14 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:20:58 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B054C26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:21:22 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:22:01 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:27:16 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:34:18 -!- besiria [n=user@ppp083212085040.dsl.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:37:46 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:38:01 -!- lelf [n=Lelf@217.118.90.95] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 22:38:24 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:40:11 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:40:50 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:41:21 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:42:01 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:42:34 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43:14 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:43:49 hadronzoo [n=hadronzo@ppp-70-247-160-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:46:22 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 22:52:52 carlf [i=carlf@photocarl.org] has joined #scheme 22:53:29 If I'm going through SICP with mzscheme instead of MIT scheme, will I run into any problems 22:53:30 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:53:56 clog_ [n=nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 22:56:04 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@dsl-74-209-19-190.taconic.net] has left #scheme 23:00:23 Balita [n=ase23azz@p7220-ipbfp1401fukuokachu.fukuoka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:01:25 You shouldn't. Make sure that you're in R5RS mode. There is a graphical interlude in chapter 2 ("Picture language"); if you want to execute those programs, use DrScheme, and get sicp.plt from planet. 23:01:59 -!- p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:04:05 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 23:13:12 grnman [n=grnman@c-76-110-165-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:18:04 Hey if I made an SDL program with a tight graphics drawing loop, would it be better to do that in C and have it execute scheme code from the inside? Or would it be fine to have that loop going in scheme? 23:19:32 I'd do as much possible in Scheme. Maybe kick the collector every other frame or something. 23:19:47 (anim frame, not lex frame) 23:21:27 It's tricky because certain things do have to be executed every frame, most of the GL functions and such. 23:22:03 So abstracting out which texture goes where is important, but at the same time it must be done every frame. 23:22:27 p1dzkl [i=p1dzkl@2001:470:d0be:0:0:0:0:13] has joined #scheme 23:23:02 I guess try to slap the scheme in beyond that. 23:25:27 -!- clog [n=nef@bespin.org] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:25:27 -!- clog_ is now known as clog 23:27:07 I was suggesting that you write it all in Scheme, including the central loop, and manually invoke your garbage collector immediate after flushing the graphics pipeline for a frame. 23:27:07 GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:28:36 Why would I ever invoke the garbage collector? o.O 23:28:47 Isn't that done automatically when necessary? 23:30:44 It is, but that "automatically" is rarely at a convenient time in a time-sensitive program such as an animation. There exist realtime collectors, but you're almost certainly not using one. Better to control precisely when the reaping takes place. 23:31:38 But first -- write your program, and see if you can tune the GC not to give you grief w/o manual GC invocation. 23:32:11 Ah I get what you mean. 23:33:05 I just don't want to be running some expensive parsing routine every frame if it's not necessary. That's what I'm most worried about. 23:33:33 melito [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #scheme 23:33:36 -!- melito_ [n=melito@0-1e-c2-ac-65-6d.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34:05 KUHNE [n=KUHNE@c-24-23-23-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:14 HELLO 23:34:48 OLLEH 23:36:06 -!- KUHNE [n=KUHNE@c-24-23-23-235.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:47:50 replor_ [n=replor@ntkngw375028.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 23:48:21 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@151.204.138.236] has quit ["moving router"] 23:49:28 sodio [n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net] has joined #scheme 23:50:50 Man, mred's gui is pretty slick. 23:52:46 -!- sodio [n=sodio@netblock-63-66-64-29.myitdepartment.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:54:23 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-243.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 23:54:49 Does (sleep) block all threads, or just the one? 23:57:19 just the one. 23:58:12 kilimanjaro [n=kilimanj@70.116.95.163] has joined #scheme 23:58:33 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@151.204.138.236] has joined #scheme