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About 30 minutes of that will make you appreciate getting back to the URI/XML/RDF details... 01:30:06 -!- melito [n=melito@70.99.250.82] has quit ["Leaving..."] 01:30:57 -!- OceanSpray [n=karl@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:31:04 or jjust jab a fork in your eye 01:33:11 Yeah, that's probably on a similar level of pain. 01:33:50 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 01:48:21 crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:51:27 -!- Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:53:23 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-115-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:55:54 -!- crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 01:56:29 crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:56:29 -!- crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:56:56 *jcowan* unvanishes. 01:57:00 crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:57:46 -!- crathman [n=chatzill@cpe-24-175-84-224.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:57:53 pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #scheme 02:03:18 cubix_ [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:04:59 -!- foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:05:09 foof [n=user@dn157-046.naist.jp] has joined #scheme 02:09:46 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 02:10:56 -!- tltstc` [n=nine@192.207.69.1] has quit [Client Quit] 02:14:28 -!- cubix [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:20:25 . 02:21:57 Bonsoir foof. 02:22:08 0 02:22:43 Morning here... and pre-coffee *yawn* 02:23:09 Hehe, bonjour then. :-) 02:23:23 (bon matin) 02:23:57 An interesting puzzle in IRCiquette: in languages that embed the time of day into their greetings & partings, do you use your own time or your interlocutor's? Presumably the latter, since you are wishing them* a good day, evening, or night. 02:24:30 jcowan, I always just use my own time zone. :-) 02:24:46 *Debolaz* usually picks a random one. 02:25:03 Well, you did correct yourself, which suggests that you in fact follow the rule I mentioned. 02:25:59 Some channels prescribe a specific time of day. #dylan, for instance, follows the morning about the globe. 02:26:14 So it's always morning there? 02:26:19 Yep. 02:26:35 In some circles in Japan it's common to say "good morning" at any time of day or night. 02:26:44 But it presumably isn't always the same day all over the world. 02:26:57 We could always make everyone look up the IP Addresses of the person we address, but that doesn't deal with the general greetings addressed to people in different time zones. 02:26:58 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:27:09 No, that's no good, arcfide. 02:27:36 Riastradh, what, general greetings or making everyone lookup IP addresses? 02:27:56 The machine on which my client is running seldom is related to my geographical location. 02:28:13 Or rather: the IP address assigned to the machine on which my client is running... 02:28:17 no flavor of scheme I know embeds the time of day into its greeting or parting. 02:29:23 Riastradh, I'd say then, that were such a rule to exist, it would have to presume that your IRC entity resided at the host machine, and not your physical location. :-) Still, of course, it's obviously a flawed system, for a more simple reason that no one really wants to look up IP addresses everytime they say hello. 02:29:51 So, I say, let CHAOS reign SUPREME! 02:30:00 Well, almost. 02:30:02 :-) 02:30:07 Good earthing everyone! 02:30:07 I'm afraid the ARPANET won, arcfide. 02:30:30 cubix [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:30:30 Riastradh, yeah yeah. :-) 02:30:31 *jcowan* laughs. 02:30:39 *jcowan* notes the double positive. 02:32:32 Why is a double negative positive, but a double positive not negative? It seems unbalanced. 02:32:56 All double positives are not negative? Yeah, right. 02:32:56 It *was* negative in arcfide's case. 02:32:57 foof, Positive thinking always wins. 02:32:59 :-| 02:33:28 Also, English wouldn't turn out to be an ordered field if it didn't hold to these rules, and you must admit that being an ordered field is a useful property. 02:33:38 And anyway, no *natural* natural language that I know of has double negative = positive, except where the negatives are in separate clauses. 02:33:59 jcowan, I use double negatives to mean positives in the same clause. 02:34:22 jcowan, I think the French sometimes do that two, though I don't know if they generally separate them into separate clauses or not. 02:34:26 s/two/too 02:34:29 Gaahh... 02:34:33 The result of talking like a book, arcfide. 02:34:49 jcowan: Do I talk like a book? 02:34:53 French double negatives are intense negatives, as in Spanish and Italian. 02:35:14 I don't know; I haven't heard you speak. But it wouldn't startle me. 02:35:27 Wow, I come off that strangely, eh? 02:36:07 jcowan: My French is rusty, but I distinctly remember some French Professor telling me that the double negative in a positive sense was used more commonly in France. 02:36:24 Pas terrible! 02:38:05 OceanSpray [n=karl@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 02:39:48 Certain French words are so commonly used with the negative (pas, point, personne) that they have become negative in force even without a historical negator. 02:42:08 jcowan, well, I remember the double negative in that sense too. 02:46:06 Riastradh, I believe you mentioned an IRC channel at one point dedicated to parsers? What was its name? 02:46:11 ##parsers 02:47:04 The one I didn't try 02:47:12 (cons 1 (2 3)) generates the same result as (list 1 2 3), right? 02:47:45 No, the former is an error while the latter yields the list whose external representation is (1 2 3). 02:48:21 '(2 3) even 02:49:02 Still not quite. (CONS 1 '(2 3)) yields a mutable pair whose cdr is immutable. (LIST 1 2 3) yields a mutable pair whose cdr is mutable and whose cdr is mutable. 02:49:21 Though not all implementations enforce immutability. 02:50:03 `Immutable' of a pair means that the behaviour of a program that attempts to modify the contents of the pair is undefined. 02:50:32 Not too many people there, Riastradh: one confirmed human, one presumed human, two bots. 02:50:42 Riastradh: Noted. 02:50:50 *jcowan* nods. 02:51:00 Pity, jcowan. 02:51:17 Unfortunately, I'm not too much into parsing, and I've already hit the Freenode channel limit, so I can't keep you company there... 02:51:29 Do you have time/expertise to look at a small yacc grammar and attempt to divine the cause of a s/r conflict in it? 02:51:56 *Debolaz* tries to optimize his first scheme program. (Optimize in the elegance sense, not in efficiency) 02:52:15 I can take a look; I haven't done anything more with yacc recently than to cursorily skim a yacc grammar. 02:52:34 *jcowan* nods. 02:52:56 I get the same results with byacc and bison, though I find byacc's output.y somewhat easier to read. 02:54:14 -!- cubix_ [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:55:02 Riastradh: http://ccil.org/~cowan/temp/luash.y 02:57:54 It would be too optimistic of me to assume that the shift/reduce conflict is reported with any contextual information, I suppose...? 02:58:31 If you byacc/bison -v luash.yacc and search y.output for "shift/reduce", some information is supplied. 02:58:39 Usually I can see these things, but no luck with this one. 03:09:10 What's the correct way to deconstruct a list into its parts? I assume (apply (lambda (part1 part2 part3) (something)) mylist) is somewhat overkill.. 03:10:34 I don't immediately see the problem, although I'm slightly suspicious of the rules for function calls -- consider, e.g., (f)(g):foo(h)(a)(b)(c), without any obvious rules for discerning the precedence. 03:10:54 Hmm. 03:11:08 And yet lua.y, from which most of the rules are derived, has no such conflict. 03:11:29 Diff? 03:11:41 -!- GreyLensman [n=ray@c-76-108-235-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:14:13 http://ccil.org/~cowan/temp/lua.y is the original 03:16:48 -!- Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B57F04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:17:01 Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B552CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 03:28:30 What's the colon? 03:28:45 it's below the large intestine 03:29:21 It *is* the large intestine. 03:29:36 I *am* the king of England 03:30:27 Technically not. 03:30:41 Though if the record of Perkin Warbeck's marriage could be found .... 03:32:47 *jcowan* notes that technically the cecum is part of the large intestine but not of the colon. 03:33:00 well offby1 is certaintly old enough... 03:34:11 i seem to recall king of england being female... is offby1 female? 03:35:19 when you're that old, I don't think it matters 03:36:02 *mbishop* can feel the dentures just waiting to attack 03:36:35 grit grit grit 03:37:29 personally, I'm the very model of a modern major general. 03:38:29 So I modified current-library-collection-paths, then required the name of a module in the added directory, and it still says "collection not found" ...any plt people around? Or someone who knows how to make tests in scheme? ._. 03:39:24 You can be the Duke of Normandy while female. 03:39:24 print find-library-collection-paths 03:39:32 it will tell you the current list of collection paths 03:39:39 and path->string each thing 03:39:48 yknow what im sayin mang 03:39:49 In Jersey and Guernsey, the loyal toast is "The Duke" rather than "The Queen" 03:39:59 It does display (current-directory) in that list, yes. 03:40:03 Hold on... 03:40:42 *synx* still needs to path->string 03:45:12 -!- Dark-Star [i=Darkstar@p57B552CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:45:49 (/home/synx/.plt-scheme/4.0.1/collects /usr/lib/plt/collects) <-- It's not in there :/ 03:47:55 Oh right, because I add it after current-library-collection-paths is calculated. find-library-collection-paths doesn't use that function. 03:48:30 oh 03:49:58 https://synx.us.to/feepcode/continuationEvent/dotests.ss is what I have so far 03:50:00 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 03:51:27 feep! 03:51:37 -!- npe [n=npe@66.112.249.148] has quit [] 03:51:49 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@gwh-1-177-mytn23k1.ln.rinet.ru] has quit ["Leaving."] 03:51:53 (feep feep) 03:52:46 synx, it worked for me 03:52:49 your code 03:53:07 current-directory is now on the front 03:53:21 Yes it looks like it worked. When I uncomment the require though, it fails saying can't find testD, even though testD.ss is right in the same directory. 03:53:25 ...let me just verify that. 03:54:03 Yeah, collection not found. 04:04:19 Poeir [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:12 dnm [n=dnm@c-68-49-46-251.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:08:19 -!- dnm [n=dnm@c-68-49-46-251.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:09:34 dnm [n=dnm@c-68-49-46-251.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:09:56 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #scheme 04:10:30 tjafk1 [n=timj@e176219134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 04:12:26 -!- cubix [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has quit [] 04:13:07 http://static.andersberle.com/temp/helloworld2.scm.txt ; Better without those pesky appends. 04:15:49 And no more caddr 04:18:37 -!- Poeir_ [n=Poeir@c-98-222-133-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:19:39 heh, what is that metaclasses for scheme? 04:20:32 It's a learning project, nothing intended for serious use. :) 04:22:31 But yes, metaobjects. 04:22:49 A small prototype object system with metaobjects. 04:25:31 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["strawberryˇ"] 04:25:49 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:26:17 -!- tjafk [n=timj@e176214025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:33:27 Seems kind of odd to repeatedly call object... maybe I'm just thinking mutably. 04:37:26 Maybe I'll end up thinking this is a horrible abomination in a few weeks. 04:37:31 But it has been a great help learning scheme. 04:39:51 "Q. What's the best way to learn Scheme? A. Implementing your own object system and MOP is a good first project." 04:40:10 :-) 04:45:22 A. Write a Scheme interpreter 04:45:26 traditional answer ^^ 04:46:03 Old-fashioned. This is the Age of OO. 04:49:52 -!- arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-201-22.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Sleep"] 04:53:11 what's MOP? 04:53:28 meta-object protocol 04:53:44 the way in which methods are organized. 04:54:23 okey 04:55:55 it's for cases when you want to marry object-oriented programming but don't like commitment. 04:58:15 where everything is an object, even the class of an object, or the class of a class... 04:58:39 so anything you define about an object can apply to everything. 04:58:51 Metaclass class class = Metaclass class. 04:58:53 properties or whatnot... 05:00:09 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit ["leaving"] 05:00:12 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-115-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bailing out"] 05:10:09 what's the difference between this worlds stuff Alan Kay is pushing and regular call/cc? 05:10:59 Cale_ [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 05:15:30 who's pushing what now? 05:16:15 synx: check LtU and the new Worlds paper 05:16:38 I was under the impression call/cc saved the state of the program 05:17:32 It doesn't restrict the state though, which is what worlds seems to do. 05:19:16 Hmm, on the other hand worlds do seem quite close to the notion of revisions or "save points" which do have their parallel in continuations. 05:22:36 You'd still have to restore the global context though, something continuations don't do. If I continue back, after setting a variable, the new value of that variable will still be there, not the value when it last call/cc'd. 05:23:21 continuations seem to save position and scope, so nothing goes out of scope unwantedly, but doesn't save any values. 05:25:23 *mumbles* modify set! to save the old value to the current world if not already saved... *mumbles* 05:26:05 johnnowak [n=johnnowa@207-38-171-48.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 05:26:59 -!- Cale [n=Cale@CPE001c10c70239-CM000e5cdd834a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:45 -!- bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28:56 Mr_Awesome [n=eric@isr5956.urh.uiuc.edu] has joined #scheme 05:34:22 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 05:44:27 -!- synx [i=pandora@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has quit ["Leaving."] 05:58:51 -!- Cale_ is now known as Cale 06:00:01 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #scheme 06:01:44 synx [i=synx@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xA71B0C6A] has joined #scheme 06:04:46 borism [n=boris@195-50-205-119-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #scheme 06:10:15 ugh, matlab 06:11:09 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-197-39-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 06:15:48 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:16:56 bunz [n=bunz@unaffiliated/bunz] has joined #scheme 06:17:31 hellues [n=hellues@d-academic.ibun.edu.tr] has joined #scheme 06:17:33 hey 06:17:40 anybody there 06:17:46 i'm here 06:18:04 thanks 06:18:07 (if (>= n 3)) n 06:18:21 procedure if: no clause matching 1 argument: # 06:18:32 i took this mistake and i dont understand why 06:18:36 i think the n should be inside the brace 06:18:37 whay is the mistake 06:18:49 (if (>= n 3) n) 06:18:59 i think, i'm no expert, but try that 06:19:23 lisppaste, url 06:19:24 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/scheme and enter your paste. 06:20:20 hellues pasted "func" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/68085 06:20:32 can you look at that 06:20:51 it returns 5 06:20:58 but , cant return 5 06:21:19 hellues: the syntax is (if ) 06:21:58 hellues: what scheme are you using? 06:22:11 the argument is elidable though? 06:22:23 pretty big and mrEd 06:22:29 Jarvellis: depends on your scheme 06:23:05 johnnowak, can you do empty braces? like (), to make it do nothing 06:23:28 Jarvellis: typically you use 'when' and 'unless' if your intent is to have a one-armed conditional 06:23:58 johnnowak thanks, that's what i needed 06:24:00 johnnowak, 06:24:02 (when ) == (if (void)) 06:24:09 what is the true usage can you say that 06:24:22 (define (f n) 06:24:22 (if (>= n 3) n) 06:24:22 (- n 1)) 06:24:22 06:24:26 hellues: you'd do well to read the plt scheme manual (and update to 4.1.1 if you can) 06:24:30 why it returns 5 06:24:49 i said equal and biggr than 3 return n 06:24:53 else return n-1 06:24:59 hellues: wrong ;) 06:25:00 you didn't 06:25:01 and i call it (f 6) 06:25:05 it evaluates to (- n 1) 06:25:13 this is the last expr of lambda ;) 06:25:14 why i dont understand 06:25:25 i understand it evaluates n-1 why :D 06:25:30 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:25:30 hellues: use something which auto-indents your code and it'll be clearer.. the (- n 1) has nothing to do with the if 06:25:35 i am newbie what can i do 06:25:41 becace you have (define (f n) X Y), where X is (if ..) and Y is (- n 1) 06:25:41 you could read the manual 06:25:54 hmm 06:26:08 so, the last is Y so (- n 1) 06:26:18 ok i see 06:26:35 elf: ping 06:26:40 you miss the parenthesis 06:27:02 actually i wanno do if bigger or equal 3 return f(n-1) else return n 06:27:08 i am using java normally 06:27:26 i dont get used drscheme 06:27:41 put the Y into "if" 06:27:50 (if (>= n 3) n (- n 1)) 06:28:17 (define (f n) 06:28:17 (if (>= n 3) n 06:28:17 n-1)) 06:28:32 i do that but before i do that i took a mistake from drscheme 06:29:38 -!- CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:30:05 hellues pasted "func" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/68086 06:30:37 hellues: that's not even remotely sensible 06:30:42 you again missed the parenthesis 06:30:57 step 1: read the error message 06:31:01 step 2: think 06:31:13 step 3: tail-recurse 06:31:29 Wait... what's this "step 2"??? 06:31:39 hellues: this is not stuff you should need our help with. we're more than happy to help if you've made an honest attempt. 06:31:43 know the joke about programmer who died in bath? 06:31:55 johnnowak, 06:31:58 step 0: get a good book or introductory tutorial. understand each section before you move on to the next 06:32:03 actually i do honest attemp 06:32:13 i try to learn i dont use drscheme before 06:32:16 he was found dead with shapmoo in his hand. on shampoo you can read "put shampoo on your head, wash, repeat" 06:32:22 i read sicp 06:32:28 then stop programming, you're wasting your time 06:32:31 wrong book 06:32:40 what is true book htdp 06:32:46 you clearly haven't read it, for a start 06:33:23 hellues: what you can't understand from error message you given? 06:33:48 the error message is about paranthesis i guess 06:33:53 but a more introductory-level, short book would be good. I'd suggest "the little schemer", but it might want to be supplemented with something a little more practical .. any ideas from the channel? 06:33:59 but i dont get used drscheme so i cant find it 06:34:12 i encourage everyone to start with htdp 06:34:24 Moin moin! 06:34:27 and i have no time 06:34:54 because 06:35:03 i give my project 06:35:08 bad luck. you can't learn something worthwhile in no time, I'm afraid 06:35:10 may be mistake is very simple 06:35:14 i am in stress 06:35:24 it is 06:35:37 sorry for boring you 06:35:41 but the root problem is, you're stressed out and you're trying to complete the problem without starting it 06:35:48 i get stressed i cant find it 06:36:04 MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@213.171.48.239] has joined #scheme 06:37:47 settle down, forget for a moment about the project, and read up to chapter 4 (at least) or htdp (http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/t-y-scheme/ is an alternative, but htdp is probably better) 06:38:38 actually read them. do the excercises. pay attention. by the time you finish chapter 4 the project will be a doddle, and you'll be smarter for it. stressing and trying to take shortcuts is your biggest problem right now 06:39:17 aspect, 06:39:22 you address doesnt open 06:39:27 it says "forbidden" 06:39:37 hellues: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/t-y-scheme/t-y-scheme.html 06:40:36 you are better off with htdp/drscheme though 06:41:44 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:49:12 woah, woah; what's with the htdp bigotry? ;) 06:50:53 I think the integration with drscheme's language levels is very effective, and it has one of the better explanations of how to approach recursive functions that i've seen 06:51:40 and the notion of function contracts is helpful 06:53:46 vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 06:55:06 Specifically, the mistake hellues made is a classic example of the kind of things that the htdp student languages are very good at preventing. 06:56:10 aye. the error reporting is quite good. 07:04:10 mmc1 [n=gvtk86@217.147.104.41] has joined #scheme 07:07:08 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 07:07:46 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:12:24 aiur [n=Jan@218.109.80.242] has joined #scheme 07:12:37 *Debolaz* reads sicp, and is using drscheme. :) 07:13:12 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-156-132.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 07:14:04 I don't know why, but for some reason the way Scheme is taught in SICP is structured closer to the way my own brain works. 07:20:23 Debolaz: hear, hear 07:24:17 yay for SICP 07:26:49 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:29:57 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [No route to host] 07:35:01 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B057968.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 07:37:51 certainty|work [n=david@212.77.255.5] has joined #scheme 07:40:40 -!- saccade_ 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See a few lines above where I pinged you, and you'll see a great advertisement for language levels. 11:20:32 elf: the above (forgot the "elf:" prefix) 11:23:23 eli: i dont see how this is an advertisement for language levels. 11:25:43 (1) See how a relatively clueless newbie was confused; (2) try it in whatever scheme and see what exactly is confusing; (3) try it in a teaching language in drscheme and see how there's not a chance you'll miss what the error is, no matter how clueless you are. [The difficult part for you will be pretending that you're clueless in #2.] 11:26:17 -!- Arelius|Home [n=Arelius@netblock-68-183-230-134.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:29:00 athos [n=philipp@p54B85E98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 11:29:07 eli: this is an argument for coherent error messages and debugging capability, not for language level. 11:29:31 (its also a good argument against single-clause if, which is a silly construct.) 11:36:45 boyscare1 [n=bm3719@c-69-143-195-98.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 11:37:29 elf: ignoring the silliness of one-armed `if's, the fact that the language levels take a language wild enough to have them, and restrict it to not have them is the argument for the restricted level. 11:38:16 Add to that the restriction for one-expression functions, which is obvious in a language that lacks side-effects (which is an obvious choice for beginners in an FP langauge). 11:43:26 -!- keyofnight 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why it's called "font-lock-mode"? 16:29:42 -!- sonderma` is now known as sondermann 16:34:01 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:34:05 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:34:59 moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has joined #scheme 16:40:27 Reminds me of Wingy Manone. He was superior! 16:45:43 -!- schumaml [i=c19b5f04@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-73231b2d72c70d80] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 16:46:19 sm [n=sm@pool-71-107-255-7.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 16:48:21 hi 16:48:55 how can I define a new 'define', that echo the value I just defined after 'define'? 16:49:23 (foo a "hello") == (define a "hello") (display a) (newline) 16:51:26 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 16:51:30 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 16:52:16 (define-syntax define* (syntax-rules () ((_ var expr) (begin (define var expr) (display var) (newline))))) 16:52:50 notyouravgjoel [n=jmccrack@student312-1.psc.edu] has joined #scheme 16:53:24 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 16:53:45 jonrafkind: thanks. do you think it's possible to do this with eval? 16:53:59 uhh probably.. why would you want to do it with eval 16:54:35 bad eval 16:54:39 no special reason, just curious :) 16:55:14 sure you can always construct an s-expression and eval it.. its simple 16:56:04 Question is what the semantics of the define then is. 16:57:43 jonrafkind: seems your expression doesn't work ... in drscheme 16:57:58 well I didnt test it.. I just wrote it off the cuff. but ill try it 16:59:01 works fine here not in drscheme. 16:59:31 sladegen: what you use? 17:00:13 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:00:40 aiur, http://paste.lisp.org/display/68106 17:00:47 is that what you have? 17:01:13 aiur: mit-scheme... works in scsh as well. 17:02:20 jonrafkind: yeh.. I got this: function call: expected a defined name or a primitive operation name after an open parenthesis, but nothing's there 17:02:33 what language are you in 17:02:33 *aiur* is a newbie 17:02:47 it sounds like you are in a teaching language or something 17:02:58 ic... I'll check 17:03:18 anyone know how to use check with plt scheme? 17:03:28 sladegen: I don't know how to install mit-scheme ... 17:04:10 cubix [n=cubix@bas21-toronto12-1242359988.region1.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 17:04:24 -!- gigabytes [n=gigabyte@host16-59-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 17:04:29 aiur: like jonrafkind said... try different language in srscheme, pretty big or some such. 17:04:44 pretty big was changed to "scheme" 17:04:50 or scheme/gui maybe 17:04:58 thanks guys, I got it 17:07:05 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 17:16:07 sladegen: senior scheme? classic 17:17:05 typo on querty keyboard 17:17:21 qwerty bah 17:18:53 -!- gcartier [n=gcartier@modemcable245.1-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #scheme 17:19:51 except in this instance it was prophetic; i actual prefer senior scheme to doctor scheme 17:19:58 and if sarahbot were here, i'd nominate it 17:23:16 as long as we agree that all languages converge to scheme and not lisp, drscheme can lead its jihad of de-javifying the enterprise 8-} 17:24:48 khisanth_ [n=Khisanth@151.204.138.236] has joined #scheme 17:25:16 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-138-99.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:18 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net2.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 17:25:43 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 17:40:03 hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0538D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:41:26 -!- Riastrad1 is now known as Riastradh 17:43:30 -!- MichaelRaskin_ [n=raskin@213.171.48.239] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:43:46 offby1, `Plaxo Pulse' is spamming me still. 17:57:27 pozic [n=Pozic@unaffiliated/pozic] has joined #scheme 17:59:53 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:09:32 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 18:11:47 xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has joined #scheme 18:11:59 jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 18:12:33 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:15:04 sladegen: as far as i can tell, sisc is leading the de-javifying charge; i've used it to undermine at least three large government projects 18:26:16 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:28:50 xhanjian [n=Jan@218.109.78.223] has joined #scheme 18:30:29 -!- pfo [n=pfo@chello084114049188.14.vie.surfer.at] has left #scheme 18:31:41 Now we only have to wait for the masses to revolt against Java. 18:32:41 CaptainMorgan [n=CaptainM@c-75-68-42-94.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:34:58 Copter [i=dasdas@bzq-79-178-164-131.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #scheme 18:41:07 -!- aiur [n=Jan@218.109.80.242] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:43:23 kryptos23 [n=kryptos@freenet/developer/kryptos] has joined #scheme 18:47:15 pbusser2: that requires a lisp-spartacus, however, to manumit the java-serfs 18:47:36 tltstc` [n=nine@192.207.69.1] has joined #scheme 18:48:40 -!- mmc1 [n=gvtk86@217.147.104.41] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:48:45 more spartacus 18:48:46 minion: chant 18:48:46 MORE SPARTACUS 18:48:53 heh 18:54:12 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 19:04:49 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 19:05:38 -!- jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:05:41 mmc1 [n=gvtk86@217.147.104.41] has joined #scheme 19:05:48 benny` [n=benny@i577A15E3.versanet.de] has joined #scheme 19:05:51 vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 19:08:13 -!- mmc1 [n=gvtk86@217.147.104.41] has left #scheme 19:08:58 -!- Copter [i=dasdas@bzq-79-178-164-131.red.bezeqint.net] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"] 19:09:54 -!- pozic [n=Pozic@unaffiliated/pozic] has quit ["leaving"] 19:13:05 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1D3C.versanet.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:14:51 -!- xhanjian [n=Jan@218.109.78.223] has quit [Client Quit] 19:22:33 importantshock [n=importan@128.164.176.120] has joined #scheme 19:25:11 ong [n=ong@client-128-118-231-219.mobility-up.psu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:25:41 -!- ong is now known as ejel 19:26:05 Anyone know what is the scheme predicate for checking a valid scheme value? 19:26:38 what other things are there? 19:26:53 What is an "invalid" Scheme value? 19:27:26 (lambda (x) #t) 19:30:09 aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has joined #scheme 19:31:30 -!- importantshock [n=importan@128.164.176.120] has quit [] 19:31:34 That's what I though too. So maybe it is just #t 19:31:56 Let me try if I can put that in place of where it expects a predicate. 19:32:54 Are there any predicate that check for basic types such as characters, string, symbol, but not types such as list, pair? 19:33:15 some schemes have atom? 19:33:36 but the semantics of that varies (are strings atoms? is () an atom?) 19:33:45 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:33:56 sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 19:34:17 ejel: roll your own from char? string? symbol? et al. 19:34:30 That might be the way to go, thanks Daemmerung. 19:43:56 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:45:51 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-139-111.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 19:47:13 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-2-76.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 19:50:57 kryptos23_ [n=kryptos@59.92.7.98] has joined #scheme 19:51:57 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-139-111.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:53:29 -!- leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:54:02 AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:57:03 jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has joined #scheme 19:57:55 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:57:59 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:04:44 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:05:53 ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has joined #scheme 20:08:31 -!- kryptos23 [n=kryptos@freenet/developer/kryptos] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:11:25 leppie [n=lolcow@dsl-243-58-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 20:17:03 -!- OceanSpray [n=karl@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:17:24 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 20:17:26 OceanSpray [n=karl@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 20:18:41 -!- jgracin_ [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22:06 vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #scheme 20:22:43 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-26-89-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:59 -!- xerox [n=xerox@unaffiliated/xerox] has quit [] 20:25:30 -!- Elly is now known as poxystox 20:26:05 -!- j4cbo is now known as joocbo 20:32:08 saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #scheme 20:33:24 -!- kryptos23_ [n=kryptos@59.92.7.98] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.17/2008082909]"] 20:35:10 pixel5 [n=pixel@copei.de] has joined #scheme 20:37:21 Does anybody know what sort of overhead is involved behind the scenes with plt threads? 20:37:40 Because I was noticing a lot... just from looking at the memory signature. 20:39:10 Wish you could just download part of the source... 20:41:33 Well, it's only 24 megabytes to search through. x_x 20:42:01 -!- joocbo is now known as j0cbo 20:42:23 With only 220 files containing the word 'thread' 20:43:45 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:43:51 -!- AtnNn [n=welcome@modemcable230.56-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["chug-a-lug"] 20:44:57 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has joined #scheme 20:46:24 bpt [n=bpt@12-184-64-194.att-inc.com] has joined #scheme 20:47:00 -!- poxystox is now known as Elly 20:49:41 thread.c: This file implements MzScheme threads. 20:49:41 sounds promising 20:49:42 "Usually, MzScheme threads are implemented by copying the stack." 20:49:43 And that explains where the 27K per thread came from. 20:50:13 -!- j0cbo is now known as j4cbo 20:50:47 -!- kryptiskt [n=kryptisk@c83-249-72-204.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:50:53 I wouldn't call 27K "a lot." 20:52:28 lelf [n=Lelf@217.118.90.104] has joined #scheme 20:53:24 aleix [n=aleix@46.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:00 -!- bpt [n=bpt@12-184-64-194.att-inc.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:57:01 sarahbot [n=siscbot@24-155-246-159.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 20:58:06 whats an easy way to convert a hex string into a number "a0" == 160 20:58:15 (without coding my own hex -> decimal routine) 20:59:14 (string->number "a0" 16) 20:59:37 ah thanks 21:02:00 -!- cky [n=cky@202-74-212-35.ue.woosh.co.nz] has quit ["BRB, restarting X server :-)"] 21:03:05 cky [n=cky@202-74-212-35.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #scheme 21:03:14 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 21:03:30 -!- ventonegro [n=user@136.166.1.3] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:04:56 27K just to start a thread is a lot. It's explained though via redundant copies of the stack. 21:05:47 See I was creating 12000 threads in my test, which resulted in 24000 bytes or something, and each thread had that copied over. 21:12:43 -!- cemerick [n=la_mer@75.147.38.122] has quit [] 21:16:44 Lelf1 [n=Lelf@217.118.90.91] has joined #scheme 21:22:19 aleix_ [n=aleix@46.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:28 -!- aleix [n=aleix@46.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:23:18 -!- aleix_ is now known as aleix 21:23:23 rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #scheme 21:23:48 -!- aaco [n=aaco@unaffiliated/aaco] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:25:22 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:25:26 jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 21:25:56 -!- Lelf1 [n=Lelf@217.118.90.91] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 21:27:07 I wonder if there's a way to create a thread with a new but empty stack. Populate it with the arguments to the thread function, and have at it... 21:29:16 -!- saccade_ [n=saccade@dhcp-18-188-70-37.dyn.mit.edu] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:29:19 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has left #scheme 21:31:08 -!- lelf [n=Lelf@217.118.90.104] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:39:49 mejja [n=user@c-7d2472d5.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 21:42:26 -!- moghar [n=user@unaffiliated/moghar] has left #scheme 21:45:06 -!- annodomini [n=lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [] 21:48:41 -!- OceanSpray [n=karl@CMU-301252.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:50:42 gweiqi [n=greg@69.120.126.163] has joined #scheme 21:55:30 -!- aleix [n=aleix@46.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:55:45 -!- sjamaan [n=sjamaan@frohike-old.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:55:46 -!- ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has quit ["bbl"] 21:56:40 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 21:58:33 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:59:29 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:02:11 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:50 arcfide [n=arcfide@adsl-99-137-201-22.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:41:31 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43:11 -!- langmartin [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:47:10 -!- hotblack23 [n=jh@p5B0538D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50:41 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-133-170-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54:02 -!- ejel [n=ong@client-128-118-231-219.mobility-up.psu.edu] has quit [] 22:55:16 -!- proq is now known as Itak` 22:55:31 -!- Itak` is now known as proq 22:58:42 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:00:25 How's it going, y'all? 23:09:43 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:11:31 jmccrack_ [n=jmccrack@student312-1.psc.edu] has joined #scheme 23:11:31 -!- notyouravgjoel [n=jmccrack@student312-1.psc.edu] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:20:53 AltiusBimm [n=Yadra@wlan125-017.wlan.wwu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:21:45 -!- jonrafkind [n=jon@wireless210.wireless.utah.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:21:57 -!- jlongster [n=user@75.148.111.133] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:24:12 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-139-111.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:30:11 futilius [n=will@user-0c9hfll.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 23:30:56 ong [n=ejel@c-71-58-71-130.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:32:43 OceanSpray [n=karl@LEMON.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:41:54 r2q2 [n=user@dyn246-03.cod.edu] has joined #scheme 23:42:39 raikov [n=igr@203.181.243.11] has joined #scheme 23:45:34 -!- ong [n=ejel@c-71-58-71-130.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:47:54 this is a channel for the Scheme programming language, right? lol 23:52:45 -!- hiyuh [n=hiyuh@KD125054017176.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit ["|_ e /\ \/ i |/| G"] 23:58:18 AltiusBimm: no, this is for people who enjoy concocting nefarious schemes