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2018-08-02T14:24:25Z stassats: what the
2018-08-02T14:27:28Z stassats: lp 1740818
2018-08-02T14:27:28Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1740818
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2018-08-02T14:58:20Z KDDLB: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
2018-08-02T14:58:23Z KDDLB: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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2018-08-02T14:58:30Z KDDLB: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-02T15:16:13Z PityDaFool14: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
2018-08-02T15:16:16Z PityDaFool14: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-02T15:16:20Z PityDaFool14: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
2018-08-02T15:16:23Z PityDaFool14: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-02T15:41:59Z Shinmera: Thanks!
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2018-08-02T15:50:12Z OMGOMG: what does the +r do?
2018-08-02T15:50:37Z Xof: only users known to nickserv can join the channel
2018-08-02T15:50:48Z Xof: it's the recommended defence against this spamflood
2018-08-02T15:50:55Z Xof: am I the only op on here?  that's not ideal
2018-08-02T15:52:36Z OMGOMG: oh, i see. i put the spam messages on ignore some time ago
2018-08-02T15:54:26Z pkhuong: Xof: we could try to page nikodemus ;)
2018-08-02T15:55:24Z Xof: all these disappeared people :-/
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2018-08-02T16:21:44Z stassats: typep transforms are bad when backend union types are unionized some more
2018-08-02T16:22:34Z stassats:  (or list symbol) is particularly bad and hard to solve
2018-08-02T16:22:59Z stassats: since it checks for null, listp+not-null, symbol-or-null
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2018-08-02T16:31:00Z stassats: ok, there seem to be some provisions for listp, but intersections are not optimized in any way
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2018-08-02T17:07:39Z stassats: ok, made (typep x '(or list symbol)) be less NILly
2018-08-02T17:09:02Z stassats: and (and symbol (not null)) as a side effect
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2018-08-02T17:20:43Z stassats: can come up with a myriad of suboptimal TYPEPs, but i guess i'll wait till i encounter them in the wild
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2018-08-02T18:20:54Z stassats: huh, typep doesn't get the cmov treatment
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2018-08-02T18:27:47Z stassats: because the generic vops are not (:conditional :cc), just (:conditional)
2018-08-02T18:29:35Z stassats: (sb-int:fixnump (aref x 0)) => doing unsigned word to integer coercion (cost 20), for: the first argument of FIXNUMP
2018-08-02T18:30:20Z stassats: oh, i have lowered the cost of the generic fixnump
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2018-08-02T18:30:48Z stassats: and represent is so stupid it still selects it even though it has to cons
2018-08-02T18:36:18Z stassats: lucky find
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2018-08-02T19:53:07Z stassats: huh, typep is not only not receiving the cmov optimizations, but it seems the (OR (typep ..)*) goes throng T/NIL comparsions
2018-08-02T19:53:43Z stassats: (the (or list fixnum) x) is bad, for example
2018-08-02T19:56:22Z stassats: which is weird, (when (or (listp x) (sb-int:fixnump x)) x) is fine
2018-08-02T19:57:11Z stassats: even (when (or (typep x 'list) (typep x 'fixnum)) x) is
2018-08-02T19:57:23Z stassats: but (when (typep x '(or list fixnum)) x) is poor
2018-08-02T19:58:16Z stassats: it's all because of %TYPEP-WRAPPER
2018-08-02T20:25:52Z dougk_: stassats: after removal of reg-in-size, ironclad will have to be changed even more.  A fully backward-compatible assembler is an impossible goal.
2018-08-02T20:27:33Z stassats: it still can be left as a no-op
2018-08-02T20:28:27Z dougk_: not if it's expected to be meaningful.
2018-08-02T20:29:17Z dougk_: (inst mov (reg-in-size x :dword) (reg-in-size y :dword)) might be using dword size to explicitly zero the high 32 bits.
2018-08-02T20:30:12Z stassats: i don't think ironclad will break if reg-in-size is a no-op
2018-08-02T20:31:18Z stassats: ironclad is important, breaking it would be bad
2018-08-02T20:31:28Z stassats: even if it's fixed upstream
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2018-08-02T20:41:54Z stassats`: %typep-wrapper is weird
2018-08-02T20:42:24Z stassats`: how what it transforms to is treated is weird
2018-08-02T20:44:16Z stassats`: just (deftransform id ((x)) 'x)
2018-08-02T20:44:31Z stassats`: and (defun foo (x) (declare (optimize speed)) (if (or (id (listp x)) (id (fixnump x))) 10 20))
2018-08-02T20:45:23Z stassats`: only one ID is let converted
2018-08-02T20:45:44Z stassats`: the second one somehow gets a branch
2018-08-02T20:46:07Z stassats`: (if (or ((lambda (x) x) (listp x)) ((lambda (x) x) (fixnump x))) 10 20) is the same
2018-08-02T21:00:14Z stassats`: down to (if (if (eq x 3) t (let ((z (eql x 4))) z)) 10 20)
2018-08-02T21:00:22Z stassats`: that LET is messing things up
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2018-08-02T21:26:40Z stassats`: ok, since EQ is a predicate, ir1 transformation is actually (if (eq x 4) t nil)
2018-08-02T21:27:40Z stassats`: tricky-tricky
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2018-08-02T21:48:48Z stassats`: i see what optimization i need to turn on to fix this, but i need the criterion be exact
2018-08-02T21:58:28Z stassats`: a comment states ;; Think about (LET ((A ...)) (IF ... A ...)): two LVAR-USEs should not be met on one path.
2018-08-02T21:58:38Z stassats`: i'm thinking and thinking about it, and how no idea what it means
2018-08-02T21:59:29Z stassats`: apparently, it's right, the build doesn't survive without it
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2018-08-02T22:03:17Z stassats`: a cold-init crash is not helpful, i'll dump a core with that invariant disabled and run the tests in search of a better test case
2018-08-02T22:08:25Z stassats`: lp 1446891
2018-08-02T22:08:26Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1446891
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2018-08-02T22:38:47Z stassats`: ok, i see what it is protecting against, basically moving the LVAR use before a loop, which is not great
2018-08-02T22:43:27Z stassats`: tricky indeed
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2018-08-02T23:15:29Z stassats`: managed to solve all the reduction but not the original test case, ugh
2018-08-02T23:35:39Z stassats`: that's because almost-immediately-used-p is being silly
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2018-08-02T23:57:13Z stassats`: ok, i can't handle the general case, will settle for handling just (let ((x ...)) x)
2018-08-02T23:59:31Z stassats`: three hours later, (the (or list fixnum) x) is almost twice as compact
2018-08-03T00:01:46Z stassats`: half of that time was coming up with a better comment "explaining" what the original code is doing
2018-08-03T00:04:08Z stassats`: i think this and all other typep changes warrant a NEWS entry
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2018-08-03T16:25:46Z stassats: looks like i have that solved
2018-08-03T16:26:15Z stassats: can't break some eggs without shaving a few yaks
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2018-08-03T21:51:55Z stassats: oh bother, (sb-kernel:specifier-type '(or function sb-kernel:instance)) => #<NAMED-TYPE INSTANCE>
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2018-08-03T22:28:55Z stassats: ugh, trying to keep track of lvar-type a the TN level, but copyprop erases that for things like truly-the
2018-08-03T22:35:57Z stassats: ok, instead of attaching type information to a TN i need to attach it to a template
2018-08-03T22:37:10Z stassats: to TN-REF
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2018-08-04T00:13:06Z stassats: after wading through some tricky stuff, looks like i can make type-checks omit testing for other-pointer-widetag when it's known
2018-08-04T00:13:26Z stassats: which, for example, makes (schar string 0) more compact
2018-08-04T00:14:16Z stassats: even better would have been to load widetag once for TYPECASE regardless of the current derived type
2018-08-04T00:14:27Z stassats: but that's far more difficult
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2018-08-04T02:15:00Z stassats: delayed lvars pose a bit of a problem, since their tn is shared for all references, losing the derived type of that particular reference
2018-08-04T02:15:56Z stassats: and lvar-tn and reference-tn are usually quite disjointed to reconcile them, but doing it in reference-args is enough for whatever i'm throwing at it
2018-08-04T02:16:34Z stassats: at least i now know what a "delayed" lvar means, throwing into the list of "names that do nothing to explain what it does"
2018-08-04T02:19:08Z stassats: sufficiently smart compilers are hard
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2018-08-04T15:34:10Z flip214: well, if they were really smart, they'd improve themselves -- never mind how hard it becomes at that point...
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2018-08-04T16:44:34Z stassats: dougk_: what's the state of ppc64? is it being done full time or on a back burner? if bbokser is stuck somewhere he can come here and we can try to debug it
2018-08-04T16:45:01Z stassats: tried it on ppc64be, dies in ldb
2018-08-04T16:47:05Z stassats: scymtym: ppc64 can be added to the crossbuild CI targets
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2018-08-04T20:10:17Z scymtym: stassats: done
2018-08-04T20:10:57Z stassats: scymtym: great, thanks
2018-08-04T20:14:55Z stassats: huh what, (truncate (the double-float x)) produces worse code than (declare (double-float x)) (truncate x)
2018-08-04T20:16:36Z stassats: bad representation selection
2018-08-04T20:20:02Z stassats: (let ((x (the double-float x))) (values (print x) (> x 1d0))) decides to put X into XMM0, then box it
2018-08-04T20:39:51Z stassats: i wonder if that's the cause, but copyprop can't handle t->double-float .. double-float->t
2018-08-04T20:58:47Z stassats: oh wow, copyprop can't handle x->y y->z z->r => x->r
2018-08-04T20:58:52Z stassats: if i run it twice then it can handle that
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2018-08-05T10:01:09Z Shinmera: It looks like describe for function objects is behaving oddly regarding the documentation it prints. For instance, (describe (lambda () "Foo" ())) shows "T". Same if I setf documentation on the object.
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2018-08-07T16:22:01Z Xof: does anyone have a link to the story of some beardy lisp hacker developing a program by calling the entry point, and then basically incrementally working in the debugger and restarting frames?
2018-08-07T16:23:15Z phoe: huh
2018-08-07T16:23:17Z phoe: I'd like to read that
2018-08-07T16:25:02Z pkhuong: Xof: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/12
2018-08-07T16:27:19Z Xof: thank you!  (Why isn't Google smart enough to give me that, huh?  huh?)
2018-08-07T16:27:37Z pkhuong: I googled for "minsky null program debug" ;)
2018-08-07T16:31:56Z Xof: bah
2018-08-07T16:32:00Z Xof: I couldn't remember "minsky"
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2018-08-07T23:45:09Z aeth: Is there any chance that SBCL will optimize this? (defun inverse-square-root (number)
2018-08-07T23:45:11Z aeth:   (declare (single-float number) (optimize (speed 3)))
2018-08-07T23:45:12Z aeth: oops
2018-08-07T23:45:14Z aeth:   (when (plusp number)
2018-08-07T23:45:22Z aeth: Why didn't it copy the one line version? This. (defun inverse-square-root (number) (declare (single-float number) (optimize (speed 3))) (when (plusp number) (/ (sqrt number))))
2018-08-07T23:46:13Z pkhuong: aeth: optimkze how? to avoid the complex branch? it should.
2018-08-07T23:46:45Z aeth: pkhuong: There's an instruction rsqrtss
2018-08-07T23:46:49Z pkhuong: you should really just use an inverse square root function though
2018-08-07T23:47:50Z pkhuong: rsqrtss isn't as accurate as div/sqrt
2018-08-07T23:48:16Z aeth: SBCL does do some things less accurately at speed 3, such as single-float trig
2018-08-07T23:48:39Z pkhuong: if you want rsqrtss, you should write an intrinsic for it
2018-08-07T23:48:41Z aeth: Perhaps it would be more useful to have a flag for single-float, though.
2018-08-07T23:49:02Z pkhuong: and default to a correct implementation
2018-08-07T23:49:38Z pkhuong: or some software implementation that satisfies your needs
2018-08-07T23:50:22Z aeth: It definitely shouldn't be the default, but it should be possible.
2018-08-07T23:50:30Z aeth: At least imo.
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2018-08-07T23:58:48Z pkhuong: it's very inaccurate. 12 ulps is half of a single dloat's precision.
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2018-08-08T00:05:53Z pkhuong: one part in 3000 is almost mental math level. I think even GCC makes you ask extra specifically for this "optimisation"
2018-08-08T00:12:05Z aeth: ah
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2018-08-08T11:22:18Z stassats: aeth: what do you mean, "less accurately at speed 3"?
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2018-08-08T17:29:45Z Xof: unfortunately there's no (optimize (accuracy 0))
2018-08-08T17:58:18Z aeth: (defun foo (x) (declare (single-float x) (optimize (speed 3))) (sin x)) (defun bar (x) (declare (single-float x)) (sin x))
2018-08-08T17:59:11Z aeth: (disassemble #'foo) (disassemble #'bar)
2018-08-08T18:01:23Z pkhuong: aeth: where is the precision loss?
2018-08-08T18:02:41Z aeth: pkhuong: bar does sin with a heap-allocated double-float version of x, foo does sin with it remaining as a single-float
2018-08-08T18:03:01Z pkhuong: not here.
2018-08-08T18:03:09Z aeth: I've been trying to find a number where they get different results and I can't
2018-08-08T18:03:10Z pkhuong: they both call libm's sin
2018-08-08T18:04:03Z aeth: you might have different global optimization settings than the default, then
2018-08-08T18:04:21Z aeth: or the default changed
2018-08-08T18:04:45Z pkhuong: maybe try pasting what you observe.
2018-08-08T18:04:59Z aeth: I just ran it in sbcl-git and I get the same result
2018-08-08T18:05:58Z aeth: pkhuong: foo is 62 bytes, and very simple. bar is 342 bytes and allocates 2 objects (coercing x and then the result of sin?)
2018-08-08T18:06:29Z pkhuong: that's fully compatible with both functions calling libm's sin.
2018-08-08T18:11:03Z aeth: I actually don't appear to get different results between foo and bar
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2018-08-08T19:01:30Z pkhuong: Xof: don't we still have a float correctness quality?
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2018-08-08T20:07:52Z stassats: pkhuong: it barely affects anything
2018-08-08T20:16:05Z stassats: aeth: sin doesn't work on single-floats
2018-08-08T20:16:51Z stassats: and bar doesn't heap allocate the single-float
2018-08-08T20:17:02Z pkhuong: stassats: we could use sinf, but it's *slower* than sin for glibm :\
2018-08-08T20:17:13Z stassats: pkhuong: it used to be slower
2018-08-08T20:17:34Z aeth: stassats: Then what are the two allocations in bar?
2018-08-08T20:18:24Z stassats: aeth: two? it's just one, it's unrelated and not executed
2018-08-08T20:20:44Z aeth: hmm, you're right
2018-08-08T20:23:15Z stassats: it still shouldn't happen, and there are two issues hiding there
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2018-08-08T20:54:23Z stassats: aeth: no more of the things that confused you
2018-08-08T20:54:38Z stassats: and (optimize (debug 0) speed) produces the same code as (optimize (debug 0))
2018-08-08T20:55:09Z stassats: when sf.net's git wakes up
2018-08-08T20:55:46Z aeth: to be fair, I just don't know how to read SBCL's allocations yet
2018-08-08T20:55:50Z stassats: it finally did
2018-08-08T20:56:24Z stassats: aeth: you read the allocations right, but not when they happen
2018-08-08T21:03:08Z stassats: pkhuong: these days it's faster both on glibc and apple's libc
2018-08-08T21:03:27Z pkhuong: my libm's probably still too old ;)
2018-08-08T21:04:06Z pkhuong: of course, if you really care about the speed of sin... you should see if you can get rid of the trig, and if not, use your own approximation.
2018-08-08T21:08:13Z aeth: Clearly the correct way to do things is to use cffi:with-foreign-object(s) to pretend like you're interfacing with C. Then use cffi-sys:%mem-set to set x as a :float, then use cffi-sys:%mem-ref to retrieve x as an :int, and do bit magic on it, and then retrieve it as a :float again.
2018-08-08T21:09:24Z aeth: Make sure that it's locally (safety 0) as well.
2018-08-08T21:28:52Z aeth: (Don't do this.)
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2018-08-08T21:39:30Z slyrus1: build broken:  The function SB!KERNEL::HANDLE-REALS is undefined.
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2018-08-08T21:52:07Z slyrus1: fixed. thanks!
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2018-08-08T22:28:16Z stassats: i think i see a way to make *saved-fp-and-pcs* more compact
2018-08-08T22:28:40Z stassats: but i also see that it's approximately useless unless the backtrace is completely hosed
2018-08-08T22:30:08Z stassats: if i make it more useful (say for -fomit-frame-pointer), then it my original idea how to make it more compact wouldn't work
2018-08-08T22:30:23Z stassats: i guess i'm ok with it being kinda-useful and compact
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2018-08-08T23:14:51Z stassats: so, instead of pushing onto a variable, *saved-fp-and-pcs*, i just bind it
2018-08-08T23:15:08Z stassats: to get all the values - just walk the binding stack backwards
2018-08-08T23:16:29Z stassats: and currently it saves an array #(caller-fp caller-pc), but i can just save current-fp, and both will be there
2018-08-08T23:19:08Z stassats: which makes (sin x) go 251 => 149, compared to 75 with (sb-c:alien-funcall-saves-fp-and-pc 0)
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2018-08-08T23:48:26Z stassats: ok, alien-funcall-saves-fp-and-pc is still annoying, but much less now
2018-08-08T23:51:43Z stassats: and the impact on runtime is greatly improved as well
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2018-08-09T15:21:11Z stassats: unbinding inside the UNWIND routine, saves around 50 bytes per unwind-protect/catch
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2018-08-09T16:40:13Z stassats: restore-dynamic-state can go to UNWIND too, another two instructions saved
2018-08-09T16:41:01Z stassats: now it needs to be changed for all backends for things to be tidy
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2018-08-09T20:34:46Z stassats: (unwind-protect 10) 250 bytes => 183 bytes, don't think i can squeeze it any more
2018-08-09T20:35:00Z stassats: aside from abysmal register selection, but that's on regalloc
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2018-08-09T22:05:49Z Xach: run-program's directory option has just saved my bacon.
2018-08-09T22:06:55Z stassats: it's relatively new (looks up) ... 5 years
2018-08-09T22:12:15Z Xach: my bacon is even older
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2018-08-10T00:01:21Z stassats: lp 308918
2018-08-10T00:01:21Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308918
2018-08-10T00:01:48Z stassats: i think i need a dumb-unwind-protect for this
2018-08-10T00:02:30Z stassats: which doesn't bother saving/restoring the environment, just running a piece of code that invalidates another uwp block
2018-08-10T00:03:40Z stassats: that will eat all the code size improvements i made today
2018-08-10T00:06:41Z stassats: safety 3, though, don't care
2018-08-10T00:08:02Z stassats: so i need first to solve it using unwind-protect, then think about dumbing it down
2018-08-10T00:22:43Z stassats: which ain't easy
2018-08-10T00:27:52Z stassats: i see an approximate path, but it's a lot of tedium for little benefit
2018-08-10T00:28:26Z stassats: i think there are better avenues to spend time on
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2018-08-10T17:17:03Z Xof: the entanglement of defining storage bases, storage classes, registers and register sets is *horrible*
2018-08-10T17:17:28Z Xof: everything wants to happen at compile- or read-time; there are circular dependencies; nothing is evaluated as I would expect
2018-08-10T17:18:41Z Xof: and I can't even make the things and set them later because they're stored in :read-only slots
2018-08-10T17:40:13Z pkhuong: Xof: that part is definitely not amenable to interactive development
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2018-08-10T17:53:18Z stassats: Xof: are you aligning nl-registers with C argument/result registers?
2018-08-10T17:53:57Z stassats: when doing arm64, i had to redo my registers because i didn't initially
2018-08-10T17:54:20Z stassats: and you also forgot lispregs.h
2018-08-10T17:54:36Z stassats: (why is that still done by hand?)
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2018-08-11T00:47:30Z stassats: finally, no more rep movs for arg-passing
2018-08-11T00:47:39Z stassats: that was tedious
2018-08-11T00:48:32Z stassats: i hate modifying assembly routines, it's takes ten more times because i can't interactively test it
2018-08-11T00:50:46Z stassats: i could temporarily make it into a vop
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2018-08-11T08:38:28Z Xof: stassats: darn, thinking it through and indeed my cunning register numbering plan doesn't work :-(
2018-08-11T08:38:44Z Xof: I'll leave it for a while anyway
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2018-08-11T14:18:26Z Xof: so, thinking about it some more: why, exactly, must C ABI arg/return registers be lisp non-descriptor-regs?
2018-08-11T14:18:55Z Xof: I can see that during a call into C, the C ABI registers can contain arbitrary junk
2018-08-11T14:19:27Z Xof: and that at some point between the call-into-c VOP and the call_into_c bit of the runtime, that has to be arranged
2018-08-11T14:19:53Z Xof: is there no way that that can happen pseudo-atomically (and also we turn on foreign_function_call_active)?
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2018-08-11T14:55:05Z stassats: Xof: on arm, the some of the c registers are descriptors
2018-08-11T14:55:10Z stassats: but that's just because there's not enough
2018-08-11T14:57:34Z stassats: but if you have a lot of registers to go around, why force them to be shuffled around in call_into_c?
2018-08-11T14:59:13Z stassats: i actually don't know why arm assigns the registers that way, there's not a lot of registers, but there's enough non-descriptors to pass the arguments, so why doesn't it align them with C
2018-08-11T14:59:39Z stassats: but i don't care about the arm32 port in the slightest to consider changing that
2018-08-11T15:02:05Z stassats: it might be because there's not enough registers to set up setting ffca
2018-08-11T15:02:24Z stassats: still, can be done using a descriptor
2018-08-11T15:13:27Z stassats: Xof: are there any special considerations for riscv registers?
2018-08-11T15:14:06Z stassats: for arm64, i just did 10 nl, 10 l
2018-08-11T15:14:30Z stassats: and then all the ocfp/cfp/null
2018-08-11T15:16:31Z stassats: and it's easy to figure out stuff in gdb, 0-9 are nl, 10-19 are l
2018-08-11T15:19:57Z stassats: for new ports, i would also suggest not using arch-assem.S, but go directly to assembly routines
2018-08-11T15:20:23Z stassats: and not using signals for allocation overflow, but calling into an assembly routine
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2018-08-11T17:43:49Z Xof: stassats: the 8 most commonly-used riscv registers (including most of the C args/retvals ones) are the only registers encodable for many compressed instructions
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2018-08-11T18:34:42Z stassats: Xof: do we really care about that?
2018-08-11T18:35:06Z stassats: and can the compressed instructions be mixed with uncompressed? unlike arm's thumb
2018-08-11T18:35:30Z stassats: instructions not being 4-byte aligned will also probably cause some problems
2018-08-11T18:43:33Z stassats: risc-v appears to be a design by committee to appease everyone
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2018-08-11T20:16:58Z Xof: as I understand it from the documentation, the compressed instructions are interoperable with uncompressed (so unlike Thumb)
2018-08-11T20:17:26Z Xof: also the Linux people seem to care because they have decided to require the C (compression) extension to run Linux
2018-08-11T20:18:07Z Xof: and in the presence of the C extension instructions can be two-byte aligned
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2018-08-12T00:38:04Z stassats: i feel like i'm at the rare moment when i'm holding all the details of the call vops in my head at the same time
2018-08-12T00:38:40Z stassats: quick, i should do something with that, like rearrange them all (on x86-64 and then cry when trying to do that for alpha and hppa)
2018-08-12T00:44:42Z Xach: yes
2018-08-12T00:44:49Z Xach: yikes, wrong channel, sorry.
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2018-08-12T18:10:33Z stassats: i don't really like how ir2tran decides to perform tn loading and coercion
2018-08-12T18:10:59Z stassats: which is mostly done for :more args, because more args are dumb and can't perform their own coercions and loads
2018-08-12T18:11:28Z stassats: still, it makes backend-specific loading optimizations hard to perform
2018-08-12T18:12:11Z stassats: ended up with another ±x864
2018-08-12T18:12:38Z stassats: maybe i should have define-vop handle :more loads
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2018-08-12T22:45:11Z stassats: :load-if still allocates a load-tn holding up a register
2018-08-12T22:45:30Z stassats: since it's only run in the :generator
2018-08-12T22:47:38Z stassats: maybe it can ran at pack-load-tns time, or even during repersenation selection
2018-08-12T22:49:01Z stassats: but there's no way to be sure that all existing :load-if can run at that time
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2018-08-13T01:15:46Z stassats: solved the copyprop problem with (let ((x (the double-float x))) (values (print x) (> x 1d0))) consing a double, and it turned out to be easy to do
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2018-08-13T07:38:39Z phoe: Hey hi - I have a question related to https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/869#869
2018-08-13T07:39:36Z phoe: Attempting to compile a file containing these contents results in https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/869#870
2018-08-13T07:40:14Z phoe: Oh. I got it - nevermind.
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2018-08-13T12:53:19Z stassats: register allocation (and copyprop) around wired tns is really bad
2018-08-13T12:54:01Z stassats: i feel like all wired tns should be coalesced
2018-08-13T12:54:34Z stassats: but then they can have different SCs
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2018-08-13T13:03:44Z stassats: add spilling, and moving from one wired to another wired, and it's really bad
2018-08-13T13:06:32Z stassats: (lambda (z) (declare (optimize speed)) (let ((x (random z))) (values x (print x))))
2018-08-13T13:06:40Z stassats: half the code is just moving registers around
2018-08-13T13:17:13Z foom: well, at least register move instructions are effectively free, other than the instruction decoding and icache overhead. :)
2018-08-13T13:17:26Z stassats: it ties up some registers
2018-08-13T13:18:21Z stassats: one of the problems is that it spills back just after a call, so the wired return register can't be used to spill back into
2018-08-13T13:19:15Z stassats: i can identify problems all day, but i don't really have a solution...
2018-08-13T13:22:37Z phoe: Can I fetch a function's ftype at runtime in a way better than invoking the internal function #'sb-impl::%fun-type?
2018-08-13T13:22:48Z stassats: phoe: what for?
2018-08-13T13:23:29Z phoe: stassats: heisig on #lisp is looking for a type inference engine.
2018-08-13T13:23:33Z phoe: he gave the example of (infer-type 'cl:floor 'double-float) -> '(integer double-float)
2018-08-13T13:27:19Z stassats: how does that tie into %fun-type?
2018-08-13T13:36:38Z phoe: I assumed that he could base that system on ftypes, since they contain return types for functions.
2018-08-13T13:37:06Z phoe: AFAIK the Common Lisp standard does not define a way of retrieving ftypes as data at runtime, though.
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2018-08-13T13:44:58Z phoe: I was pointed to sb-cltl2:function-information but it doesn't return the derived type, only the declared one
2018-08-13T13:45:17Z phoe: (FUNCTION (NUMBER) (VALUES NUMBER &OPTIONAL)) versus (FUNCTION (T) (VALUES (OR (DOUBLE-FLOAT -3.141592653589793d0 3.141592653589793d0) SINGLE-FLOAT) &OPTIONAL))
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2018-08-13T15:58:29Z stassats: lp 1540125
2018-08-13T15:58:29Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1540125
2018-08-13T16:01:38Z stassats: oops, that fix breaks copy-propagating between move chains
2018-08-13T16:06:17Z stassats: ok, i can sidestep that by special-casing moves
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2018-08-13T16:12:41Z stassats: 224KB of the core saved, go me, breaking stuff and then fixing after two years
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2018-08-13T21:06:52Z slyrus: LESS CORE!
2018-08-13T21:07:09Z phoe: more score
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2018-08-15T00:54:18Z stassats: got (loop with l = (length x) for i below l count (aref x i)) to elide the bound check
2018-08-15T00:54:37Z stassats: but in a somewhat hacky proof-of-concepty way
2018-08-15T00:58:10Z stassats: (when (array-in-bounds-p x y) (aref x y)) too
2018-08-15T00:58:44Z stassats: but not (loop across ...), cause it uses SETF for the length
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2018-08-15T01:01:43Z stassats: it is actually pretty straightforward https://github.com/stassats/sbcl/commit/094ba2669e52cdaeb1f79bedb5b0a9d9c92e7917
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2018-08-15T19:22:30Z phoe: (defgeneric foo (&rest rest)) (defmethod foo (&key a)) (foo :b 1)
2018-08-15T19:22:48Z phoe: should this error? there's no &allow-other-keys anywhere, especially on that method
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2018-08-15T21:34:56Z stassats: handling (when (array-in-bounds-p x 10) (aref x 10)) as well, by attaching the constraint to the array, not the index
2018-08-15T21:35:34Z stassats: a couple of guards and comments, and i think it's ready to go, except for the loop across case
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2018-08-15T21:57:00Z stassats: it even compiles
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2018-08-15T22:03:33Z stassats: why hasn't that been done until now?
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2018-08-16T03:53:40Z pkhuong: minion: memo for stassats: re eliding bound checks, I know I was worried about internal CL code that shrinks a simple array's size, and having that introduce unsoundness.
2018-08-16T03:53:40Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
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2018-08-16T09:03:00Z Xof: we removed most of the horrible uses of SHRINK-VECTOR a while back, as I recall
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2018-08-16T11:49:27Z stassats: pkhuong: but misused %shrink-vector would cause problems with or without bound checks
2018-08-16T11:53:22Z stassats: i need to handle more stuff than just (when (< i length) aref)
2018-08-16T11:53:33Z stassats: can already bound-check once for (incf (aref v i)), but not yet for (incf (aref v 0))
2018-08-16T11:54:58Z stassats: and something like (when (<= end (length x)) (loop for i below end count (aref x i)))
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2018-08-16T13:25:04Z pkhuong: stassats: if we derive a value as though it were constant, then actually change it, it could indirectly break almost arbitrary things.
2018-08-16T13:52:05Z stassats: that's already happening
2018-08-16T13:57:48Z Xof: la la la I can't hear you
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2018-08-16T14:48:14Z Xof: it also has separate data and instruction streams
2018-08-16T14:48:52Z stassats: what, beside x86, doesn't have a relaxed memory model?
2018-08-16T14:49:13Z Xof: the documentation says that when writing modified instructions, the writing thread should issue a fence
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2018-08-16T14:49:47Z stassats: flush-icache not enough?
2018-08-16T14:50:07Z Xof: and all other threads should issue a fence.i (approximately a sanctify-for-execution)
2018-08-16T14:53:29Z Xof: well, this probably shouldn't worry me at this stage
2018-08-16T14:53:36Z Xof: I dare say there will be something
2018-08-16T14:54:18Z Xof: just reading as a write instruction definitions
2018-08-16T14:57:48Z stassats: i don't think qemu will let you really exercise that
2018-08-16T14:58:02Z stassats: but it wouldn't be any worse than alpha
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2018-08-16T23:21:47Z stassats: ugh, my use of casts for checking constant modification is no no good
2018-08-16T23:21:59Z stassats: since it prevents variable propagation
2018-08-16T23:22:17Z stassats: desperately need to come up with an alternative
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2018-08-16T23:37:28Z stassats: i think i need to put the hook onto nodes
2018-08-16T23:37:30Z pkhuong: we could also propagate through some casts
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2018-08-16T23:43:39Z stassats: hooks for refs can easily be handled by  substitute-leaf-if or propagate-to-refs
2018-08-16T23:43:56Z stassats: now to handle calls
2018-08-16T23:52:00Z stassats: yeah, using casts is much easier, i thought about propagating them, but not sure that would be easy
2018-08-16T23:57:02Z stassats: detect that it's a cast with null cast-type-check, delete it, wrap each REF with a new cast
2018-08-17T00:11:43Z stassats: ok, that was actually easy
2018-08-17T00:12:21Z stassats: (incf (aref v 0)) with a single bound-check now
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2018-08-17T12:53:41Z stassats: moving casts around doesn't help me with constraints, because reoptimize-lvar doesn't work...
2018-08-17T12:54:22Z stassats: i think attaching annotations to lvars is still the best solution
2018-08-17T12:54:36Z stassats: i need to actually try implementing it
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2018-08-17T13:09:54Z pkhuong: i'm pretty sure I see how to do it with constraint, and annotate call sites or pairs of lvars, but I bet it would be too slow for real users
2018-08-17T13:10:39Z stassats: constraint can just be made to look through cast
2018-08-17T13:11:12Z stassats: but non-type annotation prevent other optimizations as well, not just constraints
2018-08-17T13:12:39Z stassats: pkhuong: what would be slow?
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2018-08-17T14:21:09Z pkhuong: stassats: never mind, I guess we already do binary constraints for bounds, and it's *ok*?
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2018-08-17T14:30:48Z frgo: Hello everyone.
2018-08-17T14:32:07Z frgo: I am having trouble to run SBCL HEAD. Can't quickload ironclad. I have seen some patches but they don't work. Anybody seen this and knows a cure?
2018-08-17T14:32:08Z frgo: Thx!
2018-08-17T14:34:29Z frgo: Alternatively I am looking for a binary package of version 1.4.9 for macOS... Anybody?
2018-08-17T14:44:02Z slyrus1: frgo: do you have patched ironclad and nibbles?
2018-08-17T14:44:39Z frgo: slyrus1: None of the patches for ironclad worked for me. patch refused to load the patch files...
2018-08-17T14:44:49Z slyrus1: did you use a patched nibbles too?
2018-08-17T14:44:54Z slyrus1: https://github.com/slyrus/nibbles/tree/sbcl-vop-fixes
2018-08-17T14:45:17Z frgo: No - because I failed at patchinh ironclad
2018-08-17T14:45:21Z slyrus1: and https://github.com/sharplispers/ironclad
2018-08-17T14:45:40Z slyrus1: you shouldn't need the patch if you pull from sharplispers repo
2018-08-17T14:46:32Z frgo: Oh - obviously I had the wrong repo! Wow - thanks for the pointer!
2018-08-17T14:52:09Z frgo: slyrus1: Thanks! I am back in business ...
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2018-08-17T18:29:58Z stassats: pkhuong: array bounds? already as in the thing i just added? haven't noticed any slow downs
2018-08-17T18:30:49Z stassats: and it's really not exactly about bounds but just about "this var is lower than this var", and then the %check-bound transforms looks up a constraint attached to its index/array vars
2018-08-17T18:31:13Z stassats: since i can't express x<y using types, constraints leak into transforms
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2018-08-18T21:21:01Z stassats: processing lvar when they become constants through the lvar itself and not through a cast appears to be working nicely
2018-08-18T21:21:59Z stassats: except for one case, where a type check is split and the lvar goes for error reporting
2018-08-18T21:22:33Z stassats: (defun foo (a b) (declare (type (member vector 42) b)) (typep a b)) says 42 is not a valid type specifier
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2018-08-18T21:47:28Z stassats: i think that's solvable, i just need to collect all the annotations and see if at least one is still good
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2018-08-18T22:25:36Z stassats: ok, i'm not entirely happy with it, but it's positively better than using casts, so i'm going to push it and improve on it later
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2018-08-19T00:47:03Z stassats: i can now even warn   (flet ((z (a) (setf (aref a 0) 10))) (z #(10)) (z #(m)))
2018-08-19T00:47:23Z stassats: yet (defun foo (m) (flet ((z (a) (aref a 0))) (z 10) (z m))) doesn't conflict
2018-08-19T00:49:41Z stassats: i really wish i knew some other compiler that does things differently so i could compare different approaches
2018-08-19T00:50:08Z stassats: because right now i have to come with ten different approaches, implement them halfway and throw out nine
2018-08-19T00:50:33Z stassats: and then keep redoing it for a couple of years, until getting it somewhat reasonably right
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2018-08-19T14:19:16Z stassats: and finally, i can warn about improper list constants without impeding any other optimizations
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2018-08-19T21:11:13Z stassats: (let () (make-array (list (list 1 2)) :initial-element 10 :adjustable *)) => #2A((10 10))
2018-08-19T21:11:14Z stassats: oops
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2018-08-19T22:58:33Z stassats: curiously enough, (optimize debug) may actually perform worse compile time checking due to limited variable propagation
2018-08-19T22:59:31Z stassats: i'm thinking of moving PRESERVE-SINGLE-USE-DEBUG-VARIABLES from debug 2 to debug 3 only
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2018-08-20T01:05:35Z stassats: uh what, regalloc packs a tn that's not used anywhere
2018-08-20T01:06:02Z stassats: which seems to be coming from ir2-component-restricted-tns
2018-08-20T01:09:04Z stassats: it's coming from a bind vop, in a dumb identify function, what
2018-08-20T01:10:30Z stassats: ok, not the bind vop, the bind node
2018-08-20T01:16:17Z stassats: ok, that's actually coming from the temporary in MOVE, so any move grabs a register..
2018-08-20T01:29:16Z stassats: split move into move and move-from-imm, and i can construct some code where that avoids a spill
2018-08-20T01:30:50Z stassats: unused temporaries in VOPs are really bad, but in MOVE especially
2018-08-20T01:50:13Z stassats: remove the temporary also improves register choice, because restricted-tns are packed first, and (lambda (x) x) has to go from RDX->RAX->RDX, because RDX is "used" up as a temporary
2018-08-20T01:51:00Z stassats: now i finally know where these are coming from
2018-08-20T01:53:20Z stassats: suppose a temporary is really needed, it shouldn't be as dumb as that anyway
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2018-08-20T22:56:32Z stassats: stylewarning: kinda
2018-08-20T22:57:54Z stassats: i think i solved silly register allocations around wired registers
2018-08-20T22:58:03Z stassats: (defun foo  (x) (declare (optimize speed)) (print x)) doesn't touch RDX anymore
2018-08-20T22:58:37Z stassats: now the remaining register silliness is in copyprop around wired registers
2018-08-20T22:58:52Z stassats: and then the issue of VOPs that declare temporaries but don't actually use them
2018-08-20T23:06:48Z stylewarning: stassats: im getting my powermac g5 back soon and it would be nice to play around (or maybe even help) w/sbcl
2018-08-20T23:07:14Z stassats: g5? it wouldn't be nice
2018-08-20T23:07:45Z stylewarning: i got nothing better
2018-08-20T23:08:26Z stassats: i have power 7 and power 8
2018-08-20T23:10:04Z stassats: and to help porting you really need to be into sbcl internals
2018-08-20T23:10:40Z stassats: and a bit of into hating yourself
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2018-08-20T23:40:44Z stylewarning: stassats: Were 7/8 given to you as a gift? :)
2018-08-20T23:41:05Z stylewarning: stassats: I'm not the man to do a full port, but surely there's something I could contribute
2018-08-20T23:45:03Z stassats: stylewarning: they're not mine
2018-08-20T23:47:55Z stylewarning: stassats: I want to learn more SBCL internals so I can abuse them a lot more.
2018-08-20T23:48:08Z stassats: me too
2018-08-20T23:49:03Z stylewarning: stassats: e.g., I can implement jump tables and not keep complaining about not having them
2018-08-20T23:49:25Z stassats: i'd say that's easy
2018-08-20T23:49:51Z stylewarning: i bet it is for a full-time sbcl hacker
2018-08-20T23:50:16Z stassats: i wouldn't say full-time, but 10 year time
2018-08-20T23:51:36Z stylewarning: stassats: the only approach i know of was pkhuong's patch that adds a new ir1 (it is ir1, right?) node
2018-08-20T23:51:58Z stassats: nodes are in ir1
2018-08-20T23:52:20Z stassats: what are jump tables even good for?
2018-08-20T23:54:36Z stylewarning: stassats: jumping based off of CHAR-CODE, tight dispatch loops
2018-08-20T23:55:29Z stassats: you know that how?
2018-08-20T23:56:55Z stylewarning: stassats: actually, in Lisp, I don't know it, since it's impossible (AFAIK) to portably express (if you require access to the lexical environment)
2018-08-21T00:05:56Z stassats: and not in lisp?
2018-08-21T00:06:59Z stylewarning: stassats: yeah it has had value in virtual machine implementations and generating parse tables in C, at least it did 5-10 years ago
2018-08-21T00:08:26Z aeth: Someone should gift stassats RISC-V hardware.
2018-08-21T00:08:47Z stassats: aeth: you're mistaking me with Xof
2018-08-21T00:09:11Z aeth: Someone should gift Xof RISC-V hardware.
2018-08-21T00:09:27Z stassats: ok, then someone should first produce some risc-v hardware
2018-08-21T00:10:37Z aeth: What's missing is affordable RISC-V hardware that's not embedded.
2018-08-21T00:11:01Z stassats: i'm not missing it, though
2018-08-21T00:11:12Z stylewarning: it's the same case with ARM really
2018-08-21T00:11:32Z aeth: stylewarning: With ARM anyone can get a pi or one of a thousand pi clones
2018-08-21T00:11:34Z stassats: i've already completed the rite of passage of porting SBCL onto a new CPU
2018-08-21T00:11:47Z stylewarning: aeth: i consider all of those "embedded"
2018-08-21T00:12:21Z aeth: stylewarning: nah, they're not good enough for desktop use (because of how bloated a modern desktop is, especially the modern web browser), but they're perfectly fine as headless servers
2018-08-21T00:12:51Z stylewarning: aeth: IME, they're flaky PoS. At least one dies every few weeks in my mini ARM cluster
2018-08-21T00:13:02Z stassats: my primary arm machine for testing currently is AMD Opteron 1100
2018-08-21T00:13:08Z aeth: I'm still hosting IRC on an original pi
2018-08-21T00:13:36Z stassats: and i had used android phones for porting
2018-08-21T00:13:41Z stylewarning: stassats: i've wanted an opteron, but haven't found where to send people money to get one
2018-08-21T00:13:42Z aeth: I never upgraded because RISC-V hardware was supposed to be out by now. It's like a year late, if not more.
2018-08-21T00:14:18Z aeth: ARM's perfectly fine for things that can run well enough in a very low power environment like IRC clients.
2018-08-21T00:14:20Z stassats: stylewarning: i don't own that one either, just login credentials
2018-08-21T00:15:40Z stassats: i wish i could run sbcl on apple A11, that thing is as fast as my laptop
2018-08-21T00:16:14Z stylewarning: aeth: i maintain that those SBCs are flaky and not-enough-9s reliable, but indeed, they're "good enough" for many things
2018-08-21T00:16:55Z aeth: What I'm planning on doing once SBCL gets ported to RISC-V is writing an IRC client server. I guess sort of like a bouncer. Instead of SSHing into foo and having a terminal-based client persist in screen or tmux, you would have a separate IRC client client and IRC client server. Then you can run the IRC client client on one machine (e.g. a desktop) and an IRC client server on an always-on server.
2018-08-21T00:17:04Z stassats: there's already sbcl.so, just need sbcl.dylib
2018-08-21T00:17:29Z stassats: aeth: line ZNC?
2018-08-21T00:17:53Z aeth: I'm not aware of that, but I'm sure it's not an original idea given how many IRC clients there are.
2018-08-21T00:18:00Z aeth: The original part is putting it in CL
2018-08-21T00:21:40Z stassats: minion: version?
2018-08-21T00:21:40Z minion: This is the minion bot, running on a X86-64 (QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.1.2) and running under SBCL 1.1.6.
2018-08-21T00:21:46Z stassats: that's old
2018-08-21T00:23:05Z aeth: I think my idea might be architecturally different than a bouncer
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2018-08-21T13:10:45Z stassats: 6d3b9d5de8a28cd92e280f3451b60ce412260c19 broke iteration var type inference...
2018-08-21T13:11:06Z stassats: 10 years ago
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2018-08-21T13:22:16Z stassats: i ought to come up with a test after i restore it
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2018-08-21T13:33:27Z stassats: whatever it claims to have sped up I can't measure
2018-08-21T13:33:37Z stassats: maybe it's evident on >10 years old hardware
2018-08-21T13:34:10Z stassats: which makes me lean towards a wholesale revert
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2018-08-21T13:39:58Z stassats: ok, a revert it is
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2018-08-21T14:41:41Z stassats: no idea, but i don't think it was particularly dependent on constraints
2018-08-21T14:42:13Z stassats: it's just that propagate-from-sets is kinda expensive, it tried to make it less expensive, but on the provided test case that didn't materialize into anything
2018-08-21T14:43:25Z stassats: even in the original log it says 20-25% compilation speed improvement, which doesn't seem worth it
2018-08-21T14:43:42Z stassats: especially when it breaks maybe-infer-iteration-var-type
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2018-08-21T15:43:32Z stassats: testing for (integer 0 33) can be done with one fewer branch - ROR X, 1 - if it's a fixnum it will simply untag it, otherwise it will be greater than 33
2018-08-21T15:43:53Z stassats: no space savings though
2018-08-21T15:53:57Z stassats: RORX would be better
2018-08-21T16:00:35Z stassats: rorx doesn't save any space either, but it's faster than ROR
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2018-08-21T17:20:49Z Xof: there's a ludicrously expensive developer board (Hi-Five or something)
2018-08-21T17:21:35Z Xof: really someone should just gift me an rv32 linux userland image
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2018-08-21T18:00:32Z stassats: Xof: how different are rv32 and 64?
2018-08-21T18:00:53Z stassats: my hope of using the same codebase for ppc and ppc64 didn't materialize, maybe it could be true for riscv
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2018-08-21T20:02:38Z Xof: stassats: I think rv64 should be able to load rv32/insts.lisp
2018-08-21T20:03:38Z Xof: I would guess that a fair amount of the rest is potentially shareable with some amount of macro/instruction-macro type work
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2018-08-22T12:09:40Z jdz: Just a heads-up: nibbles (used by ironclad) uses SBCL's internals quite a bit, and recent changes to MOVSX and MOVZX VOPs break it.
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2018-08-22T12:12:41Z jdz: An opportunity for me to learn some SBCL internals...
2018-08-22T12:15:20Z jdz: (The breaking change in question is bf1f89f.)
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2018-08-22T12:28:54Z Xof: there was a patch to fix nibbles, wasn't there?
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2018-08-22T12:40:01Z stassats: there's a PR for sharplispers
2018-08-22T12:40:24Z stassats: but they are not promptlispers
2018-08-22T12:41:09Z jdz: Right, I've cloned the project, but pull requests are not in there.  Thanks for the info.
2018-08-22T12:42:58Z stassats: now you'll never learn sbcl internals
2018-08-22T12:43:24Z jdz: Haha, good thing I got to glimpse some so far.
2018-08-22T12:43:37Z jdz: Good information in the pull request by dougk.
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2018-08-22T15:00:21Z slyrus1: I was hoping somebody else would commit the nibbles patch, but I can just do it if there are no objections
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2018-08-22T15:02:47Z jdz: Works for me™.
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2018-08-22T16:15:47Z slyrus1: I don't know how to make a release, but I'm happy to merge the patch to the master branch on github. any objections?
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2018-08-22T18:31:15Z stassats: slyrus: git tag vnew-version; git push --tags
2018-08-22T18:31:26Z stassats: and then "draft a new release" on the releases tab on github
2018-08-22T18:32:13Z stassats: the latter not being necessary
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2018-08-22T18:42:05Z Shinmera: Or just draft a release on github -- it'll create the tag for you
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2018-08-23T14:49:29Z Xach: Xof: when i try to build clpython, it "hangs" compiling parser/pprint:py-pprint
2018-08-23T14:50:18Z Xach: That's with sbcl head. No trouble in 1.4.6
2018-08-23T14:50:45Z Xach: I haven't waited more than 10 minutes to see if it resolves itself.
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2018-08-23T15:09:44Z Xof: thanks.  Can you post a backtrace somewhere?
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2018-08-23T15:13:00Z Xof: well it isn't me :-( so much for my streak
2018-08-23T15:21:08Z stassats: a one line fix
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2018-08-23T15:27:26Z stassats: Xof: your streak of breaking things?
2018-08-23T15:28:00Z Xof: my streak of doing anything at all
2018-08-23T15:28:21Z stassats: Xach: pushed a fix
2018-08-23T15:28:37Z stassats: i haven't run all the tests, waiting for the CI to handle it
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2018-08-23T22:22:12Z stassats: huh, local calls that access values from the parent frame are completely weird
2018-08-23T22:22:32Z stassats: RBP is passed once for each closed over value
2018-08-23T22:22:48Z stassats: (defun bar () (let ((a 0) (b 0)) (labels ((z () (incf a) (incf b))) (declare (notinline z)) (z) 10)))
2018-08-23T22:23:16Z stassats: three times in total here, once for call sequence, and two times for a&b
2018-08-23T22:24:24Z stassats: and return-from parent-function from a local function involves unwind-protect
2018-08-23T22:24:54Z stassats: so, i know what i'll be figuring out the next release cycle
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2018-08-23T22:28:53Z stassats: and there's actually enough registers for the closed over values to not be on the stack
2018-08-23T22:29:00Z stassats: but that's going to be difficult
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2018-08-24T10:57:44Z Xach: common-lisp-stat is hanging for me now. digging.
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2018-08-24T11:01:02Z Xach: src/basics/compound.lisp, defun repeat
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2018-08-24T12:26:01Z stassats: Xach: another trivial fix
2018-08-24T12:31:19Z Xach: we're safe - but for how long?
2018-08-24T12:32:32Z Xach: stassats: has it been pushed?
2018-08-24T12:33:00Z stassats: not yet
2018-08-24T12:33:18Z stassats: just finished testing, pushing now
2018-08-24T12:33:28Z stassats: and sourceforge is sluggish
2018-08-24T12:33:38Z stassats: Xach: can try now
2018-08-24T12:36:42Z stassats: the problem was in my code, but it was present in the code i copied it from, so, i can blame some distant author
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2018-08-24T21:45:09Z stassats: could the freebsd issue be a lifetime issue?
2018-08-24T21:45:17Z stassats: it's just too silly to be anything else
2018-08-24T21:46:54Z stassats: which vop, though, let's start with check-bound
2018-08-24T21:49:48Z stassats: that doesn't even have results
2018-08-24T21:54:34Z stassats: eh, it's still a float issue
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2018-08-26T04:49:50Z drmeister: Does anyone use shebang scripts with sbcl?
2018-08-26T04:49:56Z drmeister: This doesn't work:
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2018-08-26T04:50:06Z drmeister: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mPIeMEXa/
2018-08-26T04:50:27Z drmeister: I'm using SBCL 1.4.10 on macOS
2018-08-26T05:16:05Z drmeister: Here's how I use profiling...
2018-08-26T05:16:27Z drmeister: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cxISHW9T/out-flame.svg
2018-08-26T05:16:59Z drmeister: prepare-amber-energy-dihedral is the main culprit
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2018-08-26T08:04:20Z flip214: drmeister: shebang works for me.
2018-08-26T08:04:28Z flip214: on Debian amd64, that is.
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2018-08-26T13:52:52Z drmeister: Thank you.
2018-08-26T13:53:10Z drmeister: And sorry about that svg file paste - I meant that for #clasp
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2018-08-28T12:24:38Z Xof: ok, who's ready for an sbcl release?
2018-08-28T12:27:20Z Xach: hang on
2018-08-28T12:27:23Z Xach: (please)
2018-08-28T12:29:49Z jackdaniel musters his courage
2018-08-28T12:31:48Z Xach tears out hair
2018-08-28T12:34:35Z scymtym grabs a coffee
2018-08-28T12:38:09Z Xach: Oh, please disregard me, I was looking in the wrong place.
2018-08-28T12:45:00Z Xof: where's my whisky?
2018-08-28T12:45:13Z scymtym: Xach: while you are here: i got a failure report for configuration.options caused by "Component "net.didierverna.clon" not found"". as far as i can tell, none of the involved systems have changed. do you know what that is about?
2018-08-28T12:45:30Z Xach: scymtym: I have a big old problem with the builds right now, sorry.
2018-08-28T12:45:46Z Xach: scymtym: I switched to virtualbox from docker for speed, but it has introduced many problems of its own (but it is pretty fast)
2018-08-28T12:46:11Z Xof presses the Go button
2018-08-28T12:46:26Z Xof: the go button mostly tells me to be nice
2018-08-28T12:47:02Z scymtym: Xach: no worries. thanks for the info
2018-08-28T12:47:23Z scymtym is just glad he doesn't have to fix anything
2018-08-28T12:52:11Z Xach: virtualbox shared folders don't permit symlinks, which breaks svn stuff on some projects (gbbopen for one). it also has weird permissions which breaks some mercurial operations.
2018-08-28T12:52:44Z Xach: my dreams are all in ashes
2018-08-28T12:53:36Z scymtym: sorry to hear that
2018-08-28T12:53:52Z Xach ponders localhost nfs
2018-08-28T12:54:15Z scymtym: what was the downside of the docker-based setup?
2018-08-28T12:54:31Z Xach: scymtym: much much slower
2018-08-28T12:54:41Z Xach: like 5x slower
2018-08-28T12:55:52Z scymtym: interesting
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2018-08-28T13:24:15Z Xof: ok, lock released
2018-08-28T13:24:23Z Xof: press your own personal Go buttons
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2018-08-28T13:35:23Z jackdaniel: my image crashed after pressing Go button, something with no specialization for invoke-sheet-with-medium-bound  :)
2018-08-28T13:39:45Z Xof: hm, I wonder if I can find the computer with my svg backend
2018-08-28T13:56:50Z trittweiler: Just upgraded my sbcl to HEAD, and when typing "sbcl", I got a lot of "generic-+" optimization notes in qicklisp/deflate.lisp;   are those usual, or due to the version change?
2018-08-28T14:11:32Z Xof: I don't know if they're usual
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2018-08-28T14:53:13Z flip214: Xach: how can a same-kernel-solution (Docker) be slower than an entire virtual machine?
2018-08-28T15:00:01Z Xach: flip214: disk io
2018-08-28T15:12:23Z flip214: so spinning rust only? yeah, that's a killer for thin lvm. do you have enough ram to run the docker images from there?
2018-08-28T15:18:25Z Xach: Everything runs from an SSD
2018-08-28T15:18:31Z Xach: Still super slow
2018-08-28T15:18:46Z Xach: Don't know why, switching to virtualbox fixed
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2018-08-28T17:53:15Z stassats: Xach: is that on macos?
2018-08-28T17:56:40Z Xach: stassats: linux
2018-08-28T17:57:10Z Xach: This is not actually too hard to try yourself - I have pushed my dockerfiles and it's what I used for the last dist
2018-08-28T17:57:12Z stassats: asking like i have a single idea how docker works...
2018-08-28T17:57:16Z Xach: heh
2018-08-28T17:57:30Z stassats: except that it runs in a vm on macos
2018-08-28T17:57:34Z Xach: I have a simplified understanding that was inadequate to solve my performance problems
2018-08-28T17:57:46Z flip214: Xach: what docker storage are you using? thin lvm, btrfs with snapshots, ...?
2018-08-28T17:57:50Z Xach: I followed the advice of people on twitter who know more than me and I did not have any luck.
2018-08-28T17:58:19Z Xach: flip214: overlay2, with all work being done in off-container volumes on SSDs (docker also on SSDs)
2018-08-28T17:58:36Z stassats: trittweiler: probably because it's compiled after an update and you don't notice it normally
2018-08-28T17:59:21Z flip214: Xach: strange. I'd volunteer to help diagnose, but I'm not sure you want to spend the effort...
2018-08-28T17:59:41Z Xach: flip214: https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-docker/ if you want to try it!
2018-08-28T18:00:09Z Xach: flip214: if you do mkdir ~/build and check out quicklisp-projects there, I think building the debian8 image and using debian8/run.sh will let you try to build a dist
2018-08-28T18:00:33Z Xach: you have to boot the container, start sbcl, load quicklisp-controller, then use (quicklisp-controller::recrank)
2018-08-28T18:00:41Z Xach: (still too many steps, but docker does all the infrastructure setup)
2018-08-28T18:01:36Z stassats: Xach: does that include all the foreign libraries?
2018-08-28T18:01:45Z flip214: Xach: I'll try to get that running somewhere... but that still won't help with the performance on your side.
2018-08-28T18:01:58Z stassats: that could be useful for testing sbcl before a release
2018-08-28T18:02:01Z stassats: or after extensive changes
2018-08-28T18:02:48Z flip214: I still long for ASDF doing parallel builds of independent systems...
2018-08-28T18:03:58Z flip214: Xach: just as a crazy idea... try running that as a child of "eat-my-data" and see whether that helps
2018-08-28T18:04:16Z flip214: also, do you have any monitoring data? IO latency, blocksize, bandwidth, etc.?
2018-08-28T18:04:30Z flip214: "atop" running in 5 or 10 seconds interval might be a first approximation
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2018-08-28T18:33:17Z Xach: stacksmith: yes, all foreign libraries
2018-08-28T18:33:27Z Xach: sorry, stassats
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2018-08-28T19:00:09Z Xof: I'm confused about our platform table
2018-08-28T19:00:18Z Xof: what is armel (soft-float) and do we really support it?
2018-08-28T19:00:29Z stassats: yes
2018-08-28T19:01:18Z Xof: how would I build one?
2018-08-28T19:01:24Z Xof: and on what hardware?  a phone?
2018-08-28T19:01:34Z stassats: you need an armel OS
2018-08-28T19:02:22Z Xof: make-config pushes :arm-vfpv2 unconditionally
2018-08-28T19:03:24Z Xof: vanilla debian on the original pi might be armel, if I remember right (but raspbian is armhf)
2018-08-28T19:03:58Z stassats: why do you want to build it?
2018-08-28T19:04:56Z Xof: I don't particularly, but the questions I'm asking are symptomatic of my confusion about the platform table
2018-08-28T19:05:07Z Xof: we list armel/Linux as a supported platform
2018-08-28T19:05:14Z stassats: it's featurized by grovel-features
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2018-08-28T19:05:55Z stassats: well, yeah, there's a build for it there, so, we do support it
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2018-08-28T19:08:52Z Xof: ok
2018-08-28T19:09:10Z stassats: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl/files/sbcl/1.2.7/sbcl-1.2.7-armel-linux-binary.tar.bz2/stats/timeline?dates=2017-12-31%20to%202018-08-28&period=monthly
2018-08-28T19:09:17Z stassats: somebody's even downloading it
2018-08-28T19:10:06Z Xach: flip214: there are many avenues of research but i am quite crunched for time and am trying to get a working setup that is fast enough for what i need
2018-08-28T19:11:01Z stassats: compared to https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl/files/sbcl/1.3.12/sbcl-1.3.12-armhf-linux-binary.tar.bz2/stats/timeline?dates=2017-12-31%20to%202018-08-28&period=daily
2018-08-28T19:12:03Z stassats: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl/files/sbcl/1.3.12/sbcl-1.3.12-armhf-linux-binary.tar.bz2/stats/timeline?dates=2017-12-31%20to%202018-08-28&period=monthly rather
2018-08-28T19:13:02Z stassats: and nobody's complaining that it's not buildable, so i wouldn't pay to it any attention until that
2018-08-28T19:14:57Z stassats: Xof: as to arm-vfpv2, arm-softfp is only for the ABI, we don't support vfp-less arms, softp or not
2018-08-28T19:15:24Z Xof: right, thanks
2018-08-28T19:16:04Z stassats: and it's softfp is supported because that's what i had at the time
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2018-08-29T07:07:59Z Xof: I'll look today
2018-08-29T07:08:06Z Xof: if I can power up the machine
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2018-08-29T17:02:25Z shka_: good evening
2018-08-29T17:02:34Z shka_: congrats on sbcl 1.4.11!
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2018-08-29T17:07:45Z galdor: yep, and thanks to everyone who works on it!
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2018-08-29T21:07:41Z Guest73516: I just tried to build SBCL 1.4.11 with cmucl on Mac and get error in function SB-=COLD::COMPILE-STEM -- FAILURE-P was set when creating obj/from-host/src/compiler/node.sse2f -- there was a warning compiling In: DEFSTRUCT LVAR-PROPER-SEQUENCE-ANNOTATION -- is this expected?
2018-08-29T21:09:50Z Guest73516 is sorry -- unsuccessfully wrestling with NickServ
2018-08-29T21:26:54Z Guest73516: Attempt to build with CMUCL failed again, using github master.
2018-08-29T21:30:45Z Guest73516: Trying to cross-compile with Allegro 10.1 gives me FAILURE-P set for obj/from-host/src/compiler/policy.fasl
2018-08-29T21:31:10Z Guest73516: *MACRO-POLICY* is defined more than once as variable in src/compiler/policy.lisp
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2018-08-29T22:13:38Z Guest73516: Building with downloaded SBCL binary works, though
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