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2018-06-02T16:39:35Z scymtym: random9899: a bug in SBCL lead to memory corruption or a bug in user/foreign code lead to memory corruption or SBCL's garbage collector confused itself due to a bug 2018-06-02T16:40:00Z scymtym: random9899: on which SBCL version did you observe this? 2018-06-02T16:40:37Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T16:41:23Z random9899: sbcl-git 2018-06-02T16:43:37Z scymtym: is foreign code or safety 0 involved? 2018-06-02T16:44:43Z scymtym: otherwise i have no idea. except for a commit two days ago that fixed a heap corruption issue, but only for x86, i.e. 32-bit 2018-06-02T16:45:10Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-02T16:48:58Z random9899: not safety 0 but foreign code i think 2018-06-02T16:49:14Z random9899: cause i was compiling maxima-git 2018-06-02T16:49:35Z random9899: and it barfed with Control stack guard page temporarily disabled: proceed with caution 2018-06-02T16:49:35Z random9899: While evaluating the form starting at line 737, column 0 2018-06-02T16:49:35Z random9899: of #P"/home/oleo/quicklisp/local-projects/maxima-git/src/init-cl.lisp" 2018-06-02T16:49:55Z random9899: and the debugger mumbled something about copy-tree 0 2018-06-02T16:50:21Z random9899: i'm in ldb now 2018-06-02T16:50:35Z random9899: wait a little i'll give the backtrace via paste 2018-06-02T16:51:41Z scymtym: random9899: i'm out of time for now. maybe someone else will have a look 2018-06-02T16:52:07Z scymtym: but exhausting the stack and then encoutering a problem in the debugger sounds like something that could cause corruption 2018-06-02T16:53:38Z random9899: ok 2018-06-02T16:53:40Z random9899: http://dpaste.com/0ZKF6Y3 2018-06-02T16:54:30Z karlosz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-02T16:59:02Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-02T17:12:23Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:15:31Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:19:54Z karlosz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-02T17:21:57Z random9899: i cleared the .cache/common-lisp and now everything works again 2018-06-02T17:21:58Z random9899: sorry 2018-06-02T17:22:26Z random9899: i suppose it was some fasl glitch 2018-06-02T17:30:33Z zetta joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:40:07Z karswell_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:41:35Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:43:31Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:46:05Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-02T17:51:58Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:55:49Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T17:56:50Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-06-02T18:25:14Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T19:11:35Z les` quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-02T19:12:52Z les joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T19:22:26Z karswell_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-02T19:42:37Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T19:44:25Z rpg joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T19:48:02Z Xof joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T20:06:52Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-02T20:14:21Z DemolitionMan joined #sbcl 2018-06-02T20:36:34Z stassats: is sbcl eating some signals lldb using for breakpoints? wasn't signal emulation supposed to improve debugging? 2018-06-02T20:42:38Z stassats: turns out, a working trace :encapsulate nil breaks lldb breakpoints 2018-06-02T20:45:12Z stassats: that out of the way, i narrowed down the high sierra problem on sbcl 2018-06-02T20:45:20Z stassats: and why it doesn't happen on ccl 2018-06-02T20:45:51Z stassats: if the result of backtrace is 0 it crashes and passes 0 to strstr 2018-06-02T20:46:08Z stassats: in that place, ccl returns 32, sbcl returns 0 2018-06-02T20:46:47Z stassats: it is unquestionably apple's fault (there wasn't any doubt) 2018-06-02T20:47:17Z random9899: high sierra ? 2018-06-02T20:47:32Z stassats: that's what i said 2018-06-02T20:50:27Z Xof: I would like working trace :encapsulate nil 2018-06-02T20:50:37Z Xof: well, I would really like working trace :methods t 2018-06-02T20:51:02Z Xof: I would like to understand how to make trace :encapsulate nil work approximately sanely on closures, too 2018-06-02T20:53:16Z stassats: backtrace(3) i have the source code for 2018-06-02T20:53:36Z stassats: but why does it return 0, it's called deepish from C, it shouldn't choke on lisp frames or anything 2018-06-02T20:57:45Z stassats: _thread_stack_pcs pokes via pthread_get_stackaddr_np / pthread_get_stacksize_np 2018-06-02T20:57:56Z stassats: maybe we are not updating it properly? 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Combine everything into one file and check for compilation warnings? 2018-06-04T20:05:21Z trittweiler_ quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-06-04T20:05:33Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-06-04T20:15:04Z Xof: to some extent, (setf sb-ext:*derive-function-types* t) 2018-06-04T20:15:08Z Xof: use at own risk 2018-06-04T20:19:22Z aeth: Xof: I thought that that would add function types to functions with type declarations. I'm not sure if that would also add static checking for when the function type is violated between files. REPL-friendly example (but it's almost the same when compiling a file): (with-compilation-unit () (defun foo (x) (declare (single-float x)) (+ x x)) (defun bar () (foo "hi"))) 2018-06-04T20:19:54Z aeth: That gives a type warning. 2018-06-04T20:20:53Z aeth: (It also apparently compiles #'bar to always give a runtime type error, without needing to check at runtime.) 2018-06-04T20:35:51Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-04T20:55:05Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-04T20:56:36Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-04T21:01:43Z joshe quit (Quit: brb) 2018-06-04T21:02:11Z joshe joined #sbcl 2018-06-04T21:12:42Z joshe quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-04T21:12:58Z joshe joined #sbcl 2018-06-04T21:21:48Z Xof: did you try it? 2018-06-04T21:22:12Z Xof: because that is what sb-ext:*derive-function-types* does 2018-06-04T21:22:26Z Xof: (and it's why I suggested it) 2018-06-04T21:23:08Z aeth: ah 2018-06-04T21:24:07Z aeth: Xof: I see now, after running (describe 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Xof: But I presume that that specially crafted test case was based on some assumption that the full ppcre can be implemented using the same methodology, and hence result in a faster, full, implementation? 2018-06-05T11:09:38Z loke: Also, I would love to see this implementation, as I have been looking for a good example of method combinations. 2018-06-05T11:18:32Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T11:19:05Z Xof: I'm not sure this is a good example of method combinations! 2018-06-05T11:19:31Z Xof: I'm aiming to write some of this up at some point 2018-06-05T11:19:39Z Xof: (have you seen my last blog entry? It has a taster) 2018-06-05T11:20:22Z Xof: the specially-crafted test case is basically this one: https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html 2018-06-05T11:20:35Z Xof: I have not solved the backreferencing problem 2018-06-05T11:21:25Z karswell_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-05T11:23:14Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-05T11:25:57Z loke: Xof: I'll read it. Thanks! 2018-06-05T11:27:09Z loke: I did see a blog entry about method combination improvements, but I don't recall seeing anythigna bout rexeps in it 2018-06-05T11:27:24Z loke brb 2018-06-05T11:27:32Z loke: need to go buy groceries 2018-06-05T11:31:20Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T11:31:34Z Xof: it's very hidden 2018-06-05T11:32:14Z Kevslinger joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T11:36:33Z jdz: Xof: what a coincidence -- I'm now trying to see if it is possible to make cl-ppcre not exhaust all the stack in some cases (seems to be caused by non-tail calls). 2018-06-05T11:37:01Z jdz: In my particular case Python succeeds where cl-ppcre fails, which is a shame. 2018-06-05T11:38:07Z jdz: Xof: It could actually be the case discussed in the article you linked. 2018-06-05T11:43:29Z stassats` quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-06-05T11:52:35Z jdz: Another interesting thing is that the article mentions Thompson NFA, and a book I have here (Flexible Pattern Matching in Strings, section 5.3.1, p.111) says: «Together with its NFA definition, Thompson proposed in [Tho68] an O(mn) search algorithm base on the direct simulation of his NFA. The resulting algorithm, which we call NFAThompson, is *not competitive nowadays*, but it is the basis of more competitive algorithms seen later in 2018-06-05T11:52:35Z jdz: this chapter.» 2018-06-05T11:58:44Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:12:56Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:16:54Z karswell joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:17:35Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-05T12:23:17Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:27:57Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-06-05T12:42:57Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-05T12:46:53Z Bike joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:48:34Z milanj joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:53:19Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T12:59:02Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-05T13:00:29Z foom2 joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T13:00:40Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T13:03:21Z foom quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-05T13:03:43Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-05T13:04:57Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 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That's what I've been missing. 2018-06-06T15:10:28Z Xof: like that ^? 2018-06-06T15:11:58Z loke: Woah, exactly like that. 2018-06-06T15:12:48Z loke: That would be invaluable when developing on McCLIM, which is the biggest rats nest of methods (with classes with tens of superclasses) you can imagine. 2018-06-06T15:14:04Z Xof: I don't have to imagine it 2018-06-06T15:14:20Z Xof: sounds like I have some kind of achievable target for this month's hacking 2018-06-06T15:14:36Z Xof: that doesn't necessarily require me to persuade everyone that O(1) restart lookup is the best thing since sliced bread 2018-06-06T15:15:08Z loke: The paste you linked me to just now, was that from some experiment, or just a mockup to show what the goal is? 2018-06-06T15:17:32Z Xof: it's from code I have running here right now 2018-06-06T15:17:47Z Xof: I'm not going to type that out! 2018-06-06T15:18:10Z loke: Cool, so that means that it's close! Yay! 2018-06-06T15:18:12Z loke: I can't wait. 2018-06-06T15:18:20Z Xof: let me push a branch and you can give it a try 2018-06-06T15:18:34Z Xof: need to see if it builds first I suppose 2018-06-06T15:19:11Z loke: If you do, mention it here and I will play with it 2018-06-06T15:19:18Z loke is going to sleep soon :-) 2018-06-06T15:19:30Z Xof: OK. Should be 5 minutes all being well 2018-06-06T15:20:28Z loke: That's OK. I actually need to leave now :-) 2018-06-06T15:20:35Z loke: I'll check it tomorrow morning. 2018-06-06T15:20:44Z loke: I know exactly what CLIM methods I'll try it on. 2018-06-06T15:20:45Z Xof: "unmatched close parenthesis" WTF 2018-06-06T15:21:36Z Xof: (also, where is my "recompile this file" restart?) 2018-06-06T15:22:57Z Xof: will post when done 2018-06-06T15:23:10Z loke: Cool 2018-06-06T15:23:18Z loke: And thanks for your work! 2018-06-06T15:29:08Z zooey quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-06T15:29:29Z zooey joined #sbcl 2018-06-06T15:30:05Z Xof: https://github.com/csrhodes/sbcl/tree/method-tracing 2018-06-06T15:30:21Z Xof: call for review: is this sane? 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you know how long its been like this? 2018-06-07T09:38:54Z loke: Don't know. Haven't gone there in a while. 2018-06-07T09:39:02Z DemolitionMan joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T09:39:37Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-07T09:39:54Z zhrek: loke: really? I often grab the sources, and also the html-manual is nice. 2018-06-07T09:40:04Z loke: zhrek: I pull the latest version from git :-) 2018-06-07T09:41:11Z zhrek: I'd hate to see the domain get cybersquatted or parked. 2018-06-07T09:43:22Z loke: It must be a DBS configuration issue 2018-06-07T09:47:40Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T09:48:24Z zhrek: loke: Hope so. Icann says something about expire in 2019. 2018-06-07T09:50:29Z zhrek: ENOM the registrar for the domain, says they has some ongoing issue. 2018-06-07T09:55:49Z scymtym_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T09:59:59Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-07T10:09:22Z m00natic joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T10:22:17Z Xof: bah, no reviews yet? 2018-06-07T10:22:27Z Xof: still, at least there's some chat here that isn't corci 2018-06-07T10:39:58Z milanj joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T10:44:12Z epony joined #sbcl 2018-06-07T10:48:59Z ZigPaw: sbcl.org doesn't even return SOA records for the domain, their nameservers are unavailable as they themselves doesn't resolve at all (NS1.MEDONLINE.COM). Even MEDONLINE.COM doesn't return soa records. 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In order to make that work I currently make use of sb-int:info. I'd like it if there was a supported, stable interface for those kinds of things. 2018-06-08T09:14:24Z Shinmera: There might already be a way to get that information that I'm unaware of though. 2018-06-08T09:16:01Z Shinmera: Other than that I'd really like sb-sprof on win32 2018-06-08T09:17:13Z Shinmera: And perhaps threads on ARM 32 for the RPi 2018-06-08T09:17:30Z Shinmera: The first thing is by far the easiest to get going though, probably 2018-06-08T09:20:12Z Xof: sounds like plausible additions to sb-introspect 2018-06-08T09:20:59Z Shinmera: The code I'm using right now is here fwiw. https://github.com/Shinmera/definitions/blob/master/sbcl.lisp 2018-06-08T09:22:01Z Shinmera: Basically just things to find the type-definition expander, setf-expander, whether a symbol names a symbol-macro (having the expander for that would be nice, too), and such. 2018-06-08T09:22:14Z Shinmera: Things that the CL spec only allows you to define, but not inspect. 2018-06-08T09:29:30Z jackdaniel: as of symbol macro, you could use variable-information from sb-cltl2 2018-06-08T09:30:33Z Shinmera: Ah, right, forgot that that covered it. 2018-06-08T09:39:23Z milanj quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2018-06-08T10:14:59Z thodg joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T10:36:05Z thodg quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-08T10:45:21Z AetherWind quit (Quit: Leaving) 2018-06-08T11:16:41Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T11:18:01Z stassats: trying to make (let ((x (lambda ())))) dxable 2018-06-08T11:18:19Z stassats: i can already do that, but a bit too eager 2018-06-08T11:22:33Z stassats: speaking of dxing, to be able to dx a structure the constructor needs to be inlined 2018-06-08T11:22:46Z stassats: why not force inlining upon detection of DX? 2018-06-08T11:23:25Z stassats: but even without that, "note: could not stack allocate: (MAKE-X)" could actually instruct to declare it inline 2018-06-08T11:25:21Z stassats: Shinmera: if you haven't heard, commonqt should work again on high sierra 2018-06-08T11:25:41Z stassats: maybe that can go to the NEWS file 2018-06-08T11:26:38Z Shinmera: Oh, nice. 2018-06-08T11:27:01Z stassats: although, there's still some strange failure mode 2018-06-08T11:27:19Z stassats: if i haven't launched the application for a while it crashes somewhere 2018-06-08T11:27:26Z stassats: but all subsequent launches succeed 2018-06-08T11:28:49Z stassats: no idea how to simulate that first launch 2018-06-08T11:30:25Z stassats: ok, it fails 1 out of 10 times, and now i was able to dump the core 2018-06-08T11:31:45Z stassats: ok, it's still the same thing, probably not working around enough 2018-06-08T11:55:16Z stassats: very intermittent 2018-06-08T12:15:44Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T12:19:30Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T12:21:41Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-08T12:26:12Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T12:30:55Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T12:38:29Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T12:46:16Z random9899 joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T12:50:18Z thodg joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T13:05:12Z thodg quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-08T13:06:11Z Kevslinger joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T13:20:46Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T13:22:30Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T13:25:18Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T13:40:04Z thodg joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T14:03:59Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T14:19:00Z Bike joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T14:34:30Z DemolitionMan joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T14:55:00Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T15:02:05Z surya joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T15:07:24Z random9899: hello all 2018-06-08T15:07:46Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T15:08:09Z random9899: when you all work on say a git version of sbcl and you change stuff and commit etc. do you all cross-check each other ? 2018-06-08T15:13:39Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T15:16:30Z blackwolf joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T15:21:17Z thodg quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-08T15:26:40Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T15:31:51Z loke: Xof: I just had the need to use your tracing feature 2018-06-08T15:32:06Z loke: It immediately solved my problem without the need to manually instrument my code 2018-06-08T15:32:08Z loke: Thank you very much 2018-06-08T15:36:37Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T15:41:21Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-06-08T15:46:00Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T16:20:10Z corci: Project sbcl-master build #3454: FAILURE in 1 hr 1 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/3454/ 2018-06-08T16:26:16Z milanj joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T16:37:57Z sjl joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T16:58:45Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-08T16:58:59Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-08T17:02:15Z Xof: random9899: up to a point. All commits go to a mailing list, and we can and do read and comment on each others' work 2018-06-08T17:02:23Z Xof: random9899: there is an extensive regression test suite 2018-06-08T17:03:49Z random9899: ah ok 2018-06-08T17:03:59Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-08T17:05:02Z Xof: loke: that is lovely to hear 2018-06-08T17:05:26Z Xof: on the train this morning I wrote down six deficiencies with my current implementation :-( 2018-06-08T17:06:15Z loke: :-) 2018-06-08T17:06:30Z loke: I'll be using this one a lot. 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issue? not just a self-build i assume? 2018-06-11T11:40:33Z stassats`: the latest ticket 2018-06-11T11:40:41Z stassats`: trying to reduce it further 2018-06-11T11:44:24Z stassats`: scymtym: (defun f (a) (declare ((simple-array (complex double-float)) a)) (* (aref a 0) (conjugate (aref a 0)))) 2018-06-11T11:44:34Z scymtym: stassats`: the only way i see for this to happen is COLORS being 0. could you add an ASSERT or AVER guarding against that? 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I'm trying to decide whether to integrate through current head one one shot, versus stop just prior to that series of changes, integrate, test, then integrate some more. 2018-06-14T17:12:32Z Intensity quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-14T17:15:49Z drl joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T17:17:43Z Intensity joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T17:46:59Z thodg joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T17:51:54Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T18:05:46Z thodg quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-14T18:14:50Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T18:16:39Z rpg joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T19:13:19Z dougk__ joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T19:39:57Z rpg_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T19:41:46Z rpg quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-06-14T20:01:59Z puchacz joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T20:16:04Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T20:16:04Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2018-06-14T20:16:04Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T20:18:06Z Xof: there should be no noticeable performance change 2018-06-14T20:18:23Z Xof: dougk_: (famous last words, of course) 2018-06-14T20:19:23Z Xof: when nothing is traced, it adds a couple of elementary and hash-table lookups to the first time any effective method is computed/used 2018-06-14T20:20:19Z Xof: I think it would be good to get scymtym's sb-benchmark running under ci (like we had boinkmarks, way back when) 2018-06-14T20:20:33Z Xof: just as a sanity check for when I say things like "there should be no noticeable performance change" 2018-06-14T20:29:35Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-14T20:46:32Z thodg joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T20:48:30Z dougk__ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-06-14T20:53:10Z puchacz quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2018-06-14T20:54:01Z thodg quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-14T20:54:25Z karlosz quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-06-14T20:58:41Z rpg_ quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-06-14T21:01:34Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T21:01:53Z karlosz quit (Client Quit) 2018-06-14T21:02:08Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-14T21:05:53Z pkhuong: oh yeah... 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Except for dynamic extent bugs, but no point in finding the same problem there over and over (and ir1-copy bugs). 2018-06-18T11:31:45Z pfdietz: No reg alloc bugs found so far, btw. 2018-06-18T11:44:52Z Ven`` joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T12:00:24Z milanj quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2018-06-18T12:05:02Z Ven`` quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(defgeneric test (a b &rest c)) (defmethod test (a b &key c)) (test 1 2 :d 100) 2018-06-18T14:07:24Z makomo: :d is not a valid keyword argument for the method TEST 2018-06-18T14:07:32Z makomo: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw60/CLHS/Body/07_fd.htm 2018-06-18T14:08:00Z makomo: 7.6.4 says that the above generic and method lambda lists are congruent 2018-06-18T14:08:11Z makomo: case 1 and case 3 in particular 2018-06-18T14:08:35Z makomo: case 4 talks about an implicit :allow-other-keys t keyword argument, but i don't think case 4 applies here, since my generic function doesn't have &key in its lambda list 2018-06-18T14:09:05Z makomo: for regular functions however, this would signal an error: (defun test (a b &key c)) (test :d 100) 2018-06-18T14:10:04Z makomo: the last sentence of case 4 would explain this behavior, but as i said, it shouldn't be applicable in this case. or is that last sentence a general fact maybe? 2018-06-18T14:18:09Z Xof: makomo: I won't argue very strongly here, but if I had to defend the current behaviour I would say that "the generic function itself checks the allowable keys" and "the generic function by having &rest in its arglist accepts all keys" 2018-06-18T14:18:50Z makomo: Xof: that's what i'm thinking too, but apart from the last sentence of case 4, i can't find anything else that would suggest that behavior 2018-06-18T14:19:14Z makomo: i.e. "the generic function does the checking, not the methods" 2018-06-18T14:20:38Z Xof: no, I agree, it looks like an underspecified case 2018-06-18T14:21:11Z karswell quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-18T14:21:38Z Xof: Since the (&rest c) would otherwise do nothing -- it's not like there are real bindings there -- I am somewhat for the existing behaviour 2018-06-18T14:21:54Z Xof: that is, you can get checking if you want it by using &key instead of &rest c 2018-06-18T14:22:19Z sjl_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:22:27Z Inline joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:40:20Z makomo quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-18T14:46:14Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T14:47:07Z zhrek quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-18T14:48:31Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:49:09Z zhrek joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:49:48Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:52:19Z sjl_ is now known as sjl 2018-06-18T14:52:35Z dougk_: stylewarning: if you're seriously going to make Alpha work, you'll have to go back to mid-october last year to get a known good build. 2018-06-18T14:55:04Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:55:24Z stassats: pfdietz: that means i have to get busy and introduce some new bugs 2018-06-18T14:55:33Z slyrus joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T14:56:08Z stassats: like regalloc, but i didn't really change its operation, just some of the data structures 2018-06-18T15:01:30Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-18T15:04:56Z karlosz quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T15:06:50Z surya joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:12:04Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T15:19:15Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:22:00Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:23:11Z surya quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T15:25:49Z surya joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:41:17Z oni-on-ion joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:46:01Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:49:19Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2018-06-18T15:50:22Z puchacz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:52:18Z karlosz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-18T15:57:46Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T15:59:34Z karswell joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T16:09:00Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T16:15:57Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T16:16:27Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T16:20:17Z stylewarning: dougk_: I'm not sure I'll have the energy to try to make it work, but I have the machine and I'd like to 2018-06-18T16:43:39Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T16:57:42Z refrijerator joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T16:58:16Z refrijerator: is the POCPNT instruction available in sbcl? 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2018-06-18T20:21:00Z stassats: parallel compilation of what? 2018-06-18T20:21:10Z stassats: which part is parallel 2018-06-18T20:21:44Z aeth: Good question. I assumed files would be compiled in parallel, but one file could be compiled in parallel, too. 2018-06-18T20:22:14Z karlosz quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-18T20:22:15Z aeth: And the former would probably have to be done by ASDF and the latter would probably have to be done by SBCL 2018-06-18T20:23:09Z pkhuong: aeth: even parallelism at file granularity is hard in CL, apparently. I think that's what Fare is trying to achieve with uiop. 2018-06-18T20:24:08Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:28:08Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:29:23Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:29:23Z karlosz quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-18T20:31:21Z attila_lendvai quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-18T20:32:12Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:32:12Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2018-06-18T20:32:12Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:36:19Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-18T20:37:48Z attila_lendvai quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-18T20:39:54Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T20:39:54Z attila_lendvai quit (Changing host) 2018-06-18T20:39:54Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T21:03:59Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-18T21:17:45Z attila_lendvai: aeth: are you aware of https://github.com/fare/poiu ? 2018-06-18T21:18:05Z pkhuong: right, poiu. 2018-06-18T21:20:03Z aeth: I wonder if it works with asdf's package-inferred-system or if that just infers things to be serial. 2018-06-18T21:21:23Z aeth: too bad most systems are defined to be serial so it wouldn't help with large dependencies 2018-06-18T21:22:01Z stassats: i don't really see a lot of benefits from parallel compilation 2018-06-18T21:22:48Z aeth: The longest compilation time I could think of for a realistic large application is probably 2 min (on my system, your experience might differ), which would be cut down to 15 seconds in a naive (/ 120 8) calculation. From noticable to not that noticable. 2018-06-18T21:23:12Z aeth: I'm not sure if such applications currently exist in CL. Maybe Maxima? 2018-06-18T21:24:31Z pkhuong: many larger applications have bespoke build systems because they implement a DSL. 2018-06-18T21:24:44Z aeth: It wouldn't be really (/ 120 8) even at full utilization for various reasons, like hyperthreading (it's only really a quad core) and turbo boost (single-core is faster) 2018-06-18T21:25:00Z aeth: It would probably be noticable at 2 minutes, though 2018-06-18T21:25:05Z stassats: even 2 minute build times is not something that would bother me, since i rarely rebuild the whole thing 2018-06-18T21:25:54Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T21:26:05Z aeth: It depends on what you modify. If it has a foo/utils that almost everything depends on, then modifying utils would rebuild close to the whole thing afaik. 2018-06-18T21:26:26Z aeth: And a large project probably would have one to enforce its conventions 2018-06-18T21:26:54Z aeth: lots of define-foos 2018-06-18T21:27:12Z stassats: one of my projects takes around 2 minutes to bring up, but i do it once in a development session 2018-06-18T21:27:29Z stassats: then a check build before pushing 2018-06-18T21:27:55Z stassats: now, 20 minutes is something that would bother me 2018-06-18T21:28:13Z pfdietz2 joined #sbcl 2018-06-18T21:28:49Z pfdietz2: Even cooler is making compiled code correct. :) 2018-06-18T21:29:16Z aeth: #lispgames probably could get 20 minute build times if any of the engines actually became big and professional (like GNU?) 2018-06-18T21:29:35Z stassats: pfdietz2: i'm outscoring correctness checking to you 2018-06-18T21:30:37Z aeth: pfdietz2: Imo, one of the key ways to ensure correct code in SBCL is to use type declarations. 2018-06-18T21:32:48Z puchacz quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2018-06-18T21:32:50Z aeth: I haven't written it yet, but I think combining type declarations with (setf sb-ext:*derive-function-types* t) should essentially give static type checking, although obviously *derive-function-types* shouldn't be used when using CL interactively via SLIME. 2018-06-18T21:33:17Z aeth: I think I'll put it in my build step, though. 2018-06-18T21:33:29Z stassats: but slime makes it easy to recompile all functions 2018-06-18T21:33:37Z stassats: that use the redefined function 2018-06-18T21:33:47Z aeth: stassats: How? 2018-06-18T21:33:59Z aeth: I need this for inline functions 2018-06-18T21:34:00Z stassats: C-c C-w C-c C-k 2018-06-18T21:34:07Z aeth: oh I'm not sure why I didn't gues that 2018-06-18T21:34:47Z stassats: sorry, C-c C-w C-c C-c C-k 2018-06-18T21:35:43Z stassats: or M-?, for more than just calls 2018-06-18T21:36:37Z stassats: aeth: http://slime-tips.tumblr.com/post/11174492567/cross-referencing 2018-06-18T21:39:47Z aeth: thanks 2018-06-18T21:40:09Z pfdietz2: going to try something like this next https://arxiv.org/abs/1709.04421 2018-06-18T21:40:51Z stassats: how do you track liveness? 2018-06-18T21:41:39Z pfdietz2: Program is built in reverse of control flow, so you don't generate assignments or bindings to dead things. 2018-06-18T21:42:47Z aeth: pfdietz2: That looks like it's designed for compilers, but I think something similar would be useful for frameworks. 2018-06-18T21:42:56Z pfdietz2: Keep a set of live vars at each point. Could include type requirements also. 2018-06-18T21:43:19Z pfdietz2: yes it'compiler testing 2018-06-18T21:43:46Z stassats: pfdietz2: so, are you implying compiler instrumentation? cause i'm not really sure how to do that from "user space" 2018-06-18T21:44:25Z pfdietz2: No. 2018-06-18T21:45:12Z pfdietz2: That reasoning would all be done in the program generator. 2018-06-18T21:47:19Z pfdietz2: Current random tester generated lots of dead code. 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If any applicable &key method also had &rest, :c would be acceptable 2018-06-20T16:45:49Z Xof: the generic function lambda list has &rest. 2018-06-20T16:46:06Z Xof: This might be a question of inferred intent vs letter of the law 2018-06-20T16:46:18Z Xof: (and maybe we should signal an error, just because someone else does) 2018-06-20T16:48:32Z jackdaniel: clisp does; abcl, ccl, ecl and sbcl doesn't (I don't have other implementations locally) 2018-06-20T16:48:33Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-20T16:54:15Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-20T16:55:34Z makomo: Xof: would it though? why would the existence of &rest along with &key disable the checking of the validity of the keyword arguments? 2018-06-20T16:55:44Z makomo: CLISP signals an error in that case too 2018-06-20T16:56:05Z makomo: ^ the above is within methods of course, the generic function still only has &rest 2018-06-20T17:40:27Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-20T17:43:29Z sjl joined 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Basically kills subtracting lowtag "for free". 2018-06-22T18:25:11Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T18:25:25Z stassats: surely, there are different load/stores? 2018-06-22T18:31:57Z dougk_: it's always going to cost us an instruction to load index to register. load/store of size 1,2,4 byte allow any displacement. 8 byte explicitly robs the low 2 bits of your displacement, and moreover, assumes they're 0. 2018-06-22T18:32:45Z stassats: i guess my idea of reusing the same codebase for ppc64 doesn't hold water 2018-06-22T18:36:06Z slyrus_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T18:51:43Z dtornabene_ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2018-06-22T18:55:53Z jmercouris joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T18:56:09Z jmercouris: I'm trying to install SBCL from the ports tree 2018-06-22T18:56:11Z jmercouris: on freebsd 2018-06-22T18:56:12Z ckonstanski joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T18:56:21Z jmercouris: it seems to be stuck at: SB-CONCURRENCY-TEST::MAILBOX.SINGLE-PRODUCER-MULTIPLE-CONSUMERS 2018-06-22T18:56:25Z jmercouris: I'm running freebsd 11 zfs 2018-06-22T18:57:12Z stassats: well, kill it 2018-06-22T18:57:38Z joshe: fwiw, that test takes forever on openbsd 2018-06-22T18:57:48Z joshe: due to course scheduler granularity, I think 2018-06-22T18:57:58Z jmercouris: what kind of timeline we talking about? 2018-06-22T18:58:03Z jmercouris: like more than an hour? 2018-06-22T18:58:07Z joshe: no 2018-06-22T18:58:30Z jmercouris: I'm running on a digitalocean smallest instance 2018-06-22T18:58:34Z jmercouris: and it has been about 30 minutes so far 2018-06-22T18:58:37Z jmercouris: CPU usage is pegged at like 99 2018-06-22T18:59:04Z stassats: single core? 2018-06-22T18:59:07Z jmercouris: yes, single core 2018-06-22T18:59:14Z jmercouris: should I keep waiting, or give up? 2018-06-22T18:59:42Z stassats: i'd just kill it 2018-06-22T18:59:47Z jmercouris: stassats: and then what? 2018-06-22T18:59:57Z jmercouris: I still need sbcl 2018-06-22T18:59:59Z stassats: and just carry on 2018-06-22T19:00:04Z jmercouris: Well, yeah 2018-06-22T19:00:06Z stassats: you'll get sbcl 2018-06-22T19:00:13Z jmercouris: even if I kill the tests? 2018-06-22T19:00:15Z stassats: kill just that process 2018-06-22T19:00:45Z jmercouris: when you say "Kill just that process" 2018-06-22T19:00:50Z jmercouris: you mean specifically SBCL, yes? 2018-06-22T19:00:56Z jmercouris: there's no special test runner process or anything? 2018-06-22T19:00:58Z stassats: yes 2018-06-22T19:01:03Z stassats: do not do C-c 2018-06-22T19:01:09Z jmercouris: a kill -9 2018-06-22T19:01:10Z jmercouris: got it 2018-06-22T19:01:34Z jmercouris: interesting 2018-06-22T19:01:37Z jmercouris: it just continued on like you said 2018-06-22T19:01:50Z stassats: and that's why i said it 2018-06-22T19:01:55Z jmercouris: I find that really surprising, because I had done C-c earlier, and it was not a good time 2018-06-22T19:02:06Z jmercouris: thank you for your advice! 2018-06-22T19:02:21Z stassats: whatever ports do, you might end up without the sb-concurrency contrib 2018-06-22T19:02:46Z jmercouris: shit 2018-06-22T19:02:51Z jmercouris: that's problematic, because that is exactly what I need 2018-06-22T19:03:02Z jmercouris: you are right, failed contrib sb-concurrency 2018-06-22T19:03:06Z stassats: you can intervene manually 2018-06-22T19:03:13Z jmercouris: can you please elaborate? 2018-06-22T19:03:40Z stassats: do touch obj/asdf-cache/sb-concurrency/test-passed.test-report 2018-06-22T19:03:55Z stassats: and then install.sh will work 2018-06-22T19:04:27Z jmercouris: let me give that a try 2018-06-22T19:04:42Z stassats: i'll set the core count to 1 in virtualbox and see if the test can be relaxed 2018-06-22T19:06:07Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T19:06:14Z jmercouris: Ok, so got SBCL installed now 2018-06-22T19:06:28Z jmercouris: is there a way if I can see that sb-concurrency is functional? 2018-06-22T19:06:32Z jmercouris: I guess I can load my system 2018-06-22T19:06:40Z stassats: require 2018-06-22T19:10:35Z jmercouris: stassats:require? 2018-06-22T19:12:19Z stassats: turns out, i'm in for more fun, freebsd doesn't build at all 2018-06-22T19:12:48Z jmercouris: stassats: well, it built on my instance, and it does work 2018-06-22T19:12:55Z jmercouris: I didn't build from master or anything though 2018-06-22T19:13:04Z jmercouris: also, the concurrency did in fact work 2018-06-22T19:13:11Z jmercouris: do none of the SBCL developers use bsd? 2018-06-22T19:14:33Z stassats: does macos count? 2018-06-22T19:14:44Z jmercouris: Well, darwin is pretty diverged 2018-06-22T19:14:51Z jmercouris: I guess it counts though 2018-06-22T19:14:58Z stassats: it actually looks like the problem with the host sbcl 2018-06-22T19:14:58Z jmercouris: it does seem that SBCL on macports is pretty up to date 2018-06-22T19:15:16Z stassats: yeah, early in make-host-2 2018-06-22T19:16:50Z stassats: oh no, it's actually in regalloc, that's fun 2018-06-22T19:19:03Z jmercouris: stassats: I'm sorry to distract you, but this question has been bothering me for over a year, what exactly is your github profile image? 2018-06-22T19:19:24Z stassats: jmercouris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFPA_704 2018-06-22T19:20:38Z jmercouris: ah, interesting 2018-06-22T19:21:18Z stassats: i like chemistry, it's colorful and easily identifiable, scales to small sizes well 2018-06-22T19:22:21Z thodg quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2018-06-22T19:24:24Z jmercouris: that's true, that it does 2018-06-22T19:24:28Z jmercouris: I'm sure a whole comittee thought about that 2018-06-22T19:25:03Z stassats: yes, i choose my avatars by committee 2018-06-22T19:33:13Z stassats: ok, it does look like the host sbcl problem 2018-06-22T19:35:31Z stassats: ok, false alarm 2018-06-22T19:36:00Z stassats: 1.0.22 had trouble with dx 2018-06-22T19:43:00Z stassats: ok, single core, MAILBOX.SINGLE-PRODUCER-MULTIPLE-CONSUMERS has no trouble on freebsd 10 2018-06-22T19:46:25Z stassats: jmercouris: what does getconf nprocessors_onln say? 2018-06-22T19:46:58Z jmercouris: stassats: where exactly do I enter that? 2018-06-22T19:46:59Z stassats: getconf NPROCESSORS_ONLN 2018-06-22T19:47:03Z stassats: the command line 2018-06-22T19:47:15Z jmercouris: it says 1 2018-06-22T19:47:59Z stassats: ok, maybe DO is just that slow 2018-06-22T19:48:09Z jmercouris: I mean, it was running for a long, long time 2018-06-22T19:48:18Z jmercouris: I feel like it would have failed 2018-06-22T19:48:26Z jmercouris: if you like, I can spin up another instance and leave it running for a day or so 2018-06-22T19:48:38Z jmercouris: I can't do it right now, as it is the weekend, but maybe on monday or so 2018-06-22T19:48:42Z stassats: that wouldn't really help me any 2018-06-22T19:48:51Z jmercouris: Ok 2018-06-22T19:51:49Z joshe: jmercouris: I use openbsd but am not a real sbcl developer 2018-06-22T19:52:22Z stassats: sbcl-openbsd developer 2018-06-22T19:52:25Z joshe: I just do the occasional low-level portability fix now and then, but don't have regular access to the other BSDs 2018-06-22T19:52:46Z stassats: enabled sb-thread on openbsd, sb-concurrency is indeed kinda slow there 2018-06-22T19:53:00Z stassats: with a single core 2018-06-22T19:53:21Z joshe: not until openbsd-vmm matures enough to run them anyway 2018-06-22T19:53:32Z stassats: but finish in a reasonable amount of time 2018-06-22T19:55:06Z stassats: so, that must be something DO vm specific 2018-06-22T19:57:19Z stassats: and i'm running openbsd 5.6, but i don't feel like sb-concurrency tests should be lowered 2018-06-22T19:57:48Z joshe: iirc the right thing to do is find a working interface to query for scheduler granularity and adapt the tests to that, rather than assume the kernel is build with HZ=1000 2018-06-22T19:58:32Z joshe: 5.6 is also 3-4 years old at this point 2018-06-22T20:00:04Z stassats: it's slow, but not so slow that i would notice it, just slower than freebsd 2018-06-22T20:01:45Z jmercouris quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-22T20:13:10Z trittweiler quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-22T20:19:25Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-22T20:43:29Z stassats` quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-22T20:49:30Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T21:08:51Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T21:18:54Z Bike quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-22T21:29:25Z sjl quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2-dev) 2018-06-22T21:32:51Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T21:34:29Z milanj joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T21:56:17Z shka_ quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-06-22T21:57:30Z attila_lendvai quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-22T22:00:10Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T22:00:26Z stassats quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-22T22:03:41Z stylewarning: I haven't reduced to a test case, but I'm getting a case where adding (sb-ext:gc :full t) saves me from a heap exhaustion. Without it, I get thrown into ldb. Any thoughts on this kind of error situation? 2018-06-22T22:05:29Z Bike joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T22:06:13Z karlosz quit (Quit: karlosz) 2018-06-22T22:14:40Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T22:35:41Z stylewarning: If I set (generation-number-of-gcs-before-promotion 0) to 5, the bug isn't triggered. 2018-06-22T22:43:32Z attila_lendvai quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-22T22:45:42Z attila_lendvai joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T22:58:38Z karlosz quit (Quit: karlosz) 2018-06-22T23:01:33Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-22T23:11:20Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T23:11:48Z stylewarning: Here's a test case for it: http://codepad.org/3rYlei16 2018-06-22T23:13:08Z stylewarning: With the GC call, I stay at a steady 1 GB of RAM post-F-call. 2018-06-22T23:14:14Z sjl joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T23:33:35Z karlosz quit (Quit: karlosz) 2018-06-22T23:39:58Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-06-22T23:43:26Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-22T23:44:00Z attila_lendvai quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2018-06-22T23:55:19Z drl joined #sbcl 2018-06-23T00:39:18Z stylewarning: simplified the test case more: http://codepad.org/LtytNnbG 2018-06-23T00:41:09Z stylewarning: the bug seems to be dependent on the fact that there's some large object. 2018-06-23T00:50:49Z sjl joined #sbcl 2018-06-23T01:03:38Z stylewarning: I sent mail to the bug list. 2018-06-23T01:03:47Z stassats joined #sbcl 2018-06-23T01:12:45Z makomo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-23T01:27:52Z stassats` joined #sbcl 2018-06-23T01:44:51Z slyrus_: stylewarning, have you tried with the actual latest SBCL? There have been a number of gc fixes since 1.4.7 was released. 2018-06-23T01:45:08Z stassats`: stylewarning: it's the usual gc stuff, you don't have enough memory for the amount of garbage you're discarding at once 2018-06-23T01:45:38Z slyrus_: stassats`, still, it would be nice if that didn't drop him into ldb 2018-06-23T01:45:39Z stylewarning: slyrus_: Not for this test case but for our main app, yes 2018-06-23T01:46:19Z stylewarning: stassats: is there some scaling law associated with amount of garbage and memory required? 2018-06-23T01:46:31Z stassats`: slyrus_: it could always do "emergency best effort mark and sweep" but then stylewarning will ask "why is the gc slow each 7 iterations" 2018-06-23T01:46:54Z stylewarning: Being slow is better than crashing with no recovery in production 2018-06-23T01:47:21Z stassats`: is it, though? 2018-06-23T01:49:54Z stylewarning: I think so yeah. As it stands, it’s entirely unpredictable when this kind of thing will happen. 2018-06-23T01:50:49Z stassats`: that's why you validate your memory usage before putting it into production 2018-06-23T01:53:55Z stylewarning: What is that supposed to mean? 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It has a bunch of generations, and only GCs the k most recent at a time, and ages everything that survived that GC to the same k+1'th (?) generation. 2018-06-23T17:48:52Z pkhuong: so it's easy for an object go accidentally get tenured pretty old 2018-06-23T17:49:05Z pkhuong: and never GCed until a fairly major one. 2018-06-23T17:49:22Z pkhuong: couple that with the fact that the gc is mostly copying, and you're in for a bad time. 2018-06-23T17:49:56Z pkhuong: large objects trigger GC more quickly, so they're also more likely to get tenured instead of GCed away. 2018-06-23T17:50:27Z pkhuong: IIUC, your workload is throughput oriented, more than latency 2018-06-23T17:51:04Z pkhuong: so you could avoid the tenuring issue *and* likely reduce GC time by reducing the number of generations to a minimum 2018-06-23T17:51:40Z pkhuong: there are still locality aspects that might make it useful to have a small nursery, but that's very much second order. 2018-06-23T17:52:09Z pkhuong: also, if you 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I'm back with some errors that might be related to the new sbcl or might be due to user error! Here's one: http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-06-25/failure-report/quid-pro-quo.html#quid-pro-quo 2018-06-25T14:39:23Z shka joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T14:39:28Z shka: hello 2018-06-25T14:39:34Z Xach: Another: http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-06-25/failure-report/stmx.html#stmx (looks like internals use to me) 2018-06-25T14:40:12Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-06-25/failure-report/conium.html#conium (another internals use) 2018-06-25T14:40:36Z shka: i am constantly getting An mprotect call failed with ENOMEM. Even after i increased max_map_count to 262144 2018-06-25T14:40:51Z shka: can somebody guide me here? 2018-06-25T14:40:58Z shka: i have no idea what is wrong 2018-06-25T14:43:19Z scymtym: Xach: quid-pro-quo is probably due Xof's method combination changes. no idea who's at fault 2018-06-25T14:43:46Z scymtym: Xach: the other two seem to be using internals that have been changed/removed recently 2018-06-25T14:44:03Z scymtym: Xof: ^ 2018-06-25T15:32:12Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-25T15:35:07Z scymtym quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-25T15:35:34Z Xof: pom pom pom 2018-06-25T15:35:36Z Xof: looking 2018-06-25T15:37:30Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T15:38:35Z Xof: silly debugger. All the filenames are cut off 2018-06-25T15:39:20Z Xof: Xach, scymtym: the quid pro quo thing is probably my fault. I'll aim to understand it and fix before release. Thank you. 2018-06-25T15:59:58Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T16:01:33Z merodix quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-25T16:29:52Z slyrus1 joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T16:33:25Z fortitude: I have a runaway thread, and the top of the stack always seems to be unblock_deferrable_signals->pthread_self->call_into_c and then some socket-related code 2018-06-25T16:33:47Z fortitude: but pthread_self should just be accessing a TLS slot, so why would it have called into other code? or is this just the stack frame being leftover? 2018-06-25T16:34:14Z fortitude: (on windows, btw) 2018-06-25T16:34:52Z m00natic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-25T16:42:27Z dougk_: Xach: the conium change was anticipated. I mailed some folks a heads-up a very long time ago. At least 1 year 2018-06-25T16:44:10Z dougk_: and i called out "conium" as a problem in my comment, and gave all ample time to fix in htps://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/ea658cbade 2018-06-25T16:44:54Z dougk_: the use of EMIT-SKIP in the assembler is a definite no-no. I'm surprised anyone got away with that one. 2018-06-25T16:53:12Z dougk_: ffs the entire x86-32,64-insts.lisp file in stmx is filled with 'sb-vm::' prefixes. I'd say if it was one place, i'd stick in a compatibility patch and/or mail the author before release, but given the state of that file, it's not a release blocker. 2018-06-25T16:56:37Z stylewarning: How can I control things like # of generations? I don't see anything in the manual. 2018-06-25T16:58:02Z flip214: stylewarning: look for NUM_GENERATIONS, although there's a fair bit of magic around there AFAIU 2018-06-25T16:58:27Z stylewarning: Is this a "hack the runtime yourself and recompile"-type of deal? 2018-06-25T16:58:42Z dougk_: stylewarning: what does "control" means? you can't increase the number of generations, which is fine because 6 is too many to begin with. You _can_ decrease the highest GC'd generation by changing gencgc_oldest_gen_to_gc. 2018-06-25T16:59:26Z stylewarning: dougk_: In reference to the "bug" I was talking about at the end of last week, I was looking to tune the GC to be more favorable for our type of work. 2018-06-25T17:00:10Z stylewarning: One piece of advice I got was to reduce the number of generations. 2018-06-25T17:02:15Z dougk_: oh, ok, i wasn't watching that. recompiling isn't necessary. You can just change the 'oldest' parameter. Also may want to lower bytes_consed_between_gcs so that it GCs sooner 2018-06-25T17:04:59Z stylewarning: dougk_: If the 'oldest' parameter is k, does that mean nothing will be promoted to a generation > k? 2018-06-25T17:05:22Z dougk_: correct 2018-06-25T17:11:22Z pkhuong: Xach: I'd say STMX is clearly in "you break it, you keep both pieces" territory. 2018-06-25T17:12:41Z pkhuong: stylewarning: if you have static data read-only data, you might want to load it and promote it above k before flipping gencgc_oldest_gen_to_gc 2018-06-25T17:14:39Z stylewarning: reasonable 2018-06-25T17:20:12Z stylewarning: dougk_: pkhuong: As suggested, knocking that value to 1 and reduced B-C-B-G to something a bit smaller did make things work, albeit slower (of course) 2018-06-25T17:21:28Z pkhuong: stylewarning: I'd try to set it to 2. 2018-06-25T17:21:43Z stylewarning: pkhuong: I did and it failed 2018-06-25T17:22:06Z pkhuong: if you have a small b-c-b-gc and only one generation (+ nursery), you'll spend a lot of time in GC 2018-06-25T17:22:23Z stylewarning: yeah it's pretty slow 2018-06-25T17:22:32Z stylewarning: here's the code i'm playing with http://codepad.org/iX6wPGHn 2018-06-25T17:29:46Z pkhuong: stylewarning: you probably want to tweak https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/gc.lisp#L412 a bit if you increase the number of generations 2018-06-25T17:32:58Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T17:40:47Z scymtym quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-06-25T17:58:25Z slyrus1 quit (Quit: slyrus1) 2018-06-25T18:08:21Z myrkraverk quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-25T18:13:04Z myrkraverk_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T18:20:09Z Xof: well, quid-pro-quo attempts to change the method combination of cl:make-instance 2018-06-25T18:20:15Z Xof: I tend to say that that's not a great plan 2018-06-25T18:20:55Z myrkraverk_ is now known as myrkraverk 2018-06-25T18:21:15Z Xof: the bit of code in question is preceded by a comment: 2018-06-25T18:21:19Z Xof: ;; FIXME: Allegro, CLISP, and LispWorks explode if we execute the following 2018-06-25T18:21:19Z Xof: ;; code, so we basically skip creation invariants on those. 2018-06-25T18:22:30Z milanj quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2018-06-25T18:25:50Z Xof: and annoyingly this has totally broken my lisp session 2018-06-25T18:25:58Z Xof: lucky I'm not a lisp programmer by trade, eh? 2018-06-25T18:30:36Z Xof: Xach: disabling the last form in metaclass.lisp lets quid-pro-quo compile. 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You can't portably change behavior of that call. 2018-06-25T19:09:54Z dougk_: the comment that I wrote in my work-in-progress change is that the check has the "look and feel" of our package locks test, but it can't be implemented as such. 2018-06-25T19:13:24Z milanj joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T19:35:22Z karlosz joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T19:39:00Z slyrus quit (Quit: slyrus) 2018-06-25T19:40:53Z slyrus joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T19:48:12Z Jesin joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T19:54:48Z dougk__ joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T19:56:38Z scymtym joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T20:00:05Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-25T20:27:44Z trittweiler quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-06-25T20:35:28Z dougk___ joined #sbcl 2018-06-25T20:37:17Z dougk__ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-25T20:40:01Z Xof: dougk_: strictly speaking that's only "defining a method" (clhs 11.1.2.1.2, which used to be my favourite clhs section) 2018-06-25T20:40:19Z Xof: but yes, I agree, the intent is "don't unilaterally change the behaviour of standardized stuff" 2018-06-25T20:41:22Z Xach: http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-06-25/failure-report.html has a bunch of failures but I think only a couple are SBCL-related (and fewer of those SBCL-"responsible") 2018-06-25T20:42:52Z Shinmera: Lots of missing libraries it looks like. 2018-06-25T20:43:35Z Xach: gsll failure causes problems for many. bordeaux-threads updates causes another thing I think. a few pending additions too. 2018-06-25T20:44:16Z Shinmera: Missing system libraries is what I meant. 2018-06-25T20:44:27Z Shinmera: libpng12, libssl, etc. 2018-06-25T20:44:28Z Xach: Oh, yes, a few of those too 2018-06-25T20:44:51Z Xach: libpng12 isn't in debian 9 2018-06-25T20:45:07Z Xach: mariadb vs mysql too 2018-06-25T20:45:15Z Xach: Such a pain! 2018-06-25T20:45:30Z Xof: progress! 2018-06-25T20:45:36Z Shinmera: Losing that hard drive must've cost a lot of time 2018-06-25T20:46:42Z Xach: Well, a lot of the pain is work I wanted to do anyway. 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It seems to use up to the double of the memory allocated to do its job. Can I do something about it? 2018-06-29T15:50:08Z minion: didi, memo from flip214: are your labels BASE-STRINGS instead of STRINGS already? 2018-06-29T15:51:55Z edgar-rft joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T15:54:48Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T15:55:42Z didi: flip214: Nope. To be more specific, my vertices are strings and my labels are naturals. There can be more than one label per edge, so I accumulate then inside a list. 2018-06-29T15:56:32Z sjl_ quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2-dev) 2018-06-29T15:59:07Z sjl joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T15:59:50Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:02:21Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:02:35Z MetaYan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:08:24Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:09:06Z didi: It doesn't seem that my program allocates more memory than the heap can hold, but that the GC process ends up exhausting the heap. 2018-06-29T16:09:44Z dougk__ quit (*.net *.split) 2018-06-29T16:09:44Z gendl quit (*.net *.split) 2018-06-29T16:09:44Z |3b|` quit (*.net *.split) 2018-06-29T16:09:44Z fe[nl]ix quit (*.net *.split) 2018-06-29T16:09:44Z Blkt quit (*.net *.split) 2018-06-29T16:14:14Z dougk__ joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:14:14Z gendl joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:14:14Z |3b|` joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:14:14Z fe[nl]ix joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:14:14Z Blkt joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:17:43Z katco[m] quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:17:48Z thorondor[m] quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:17:57Z MatrixTraveler[m quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:18:48Z flip214: didi: yes, a compacting GC might need up to double the amount of memory. 2018-06-29T16:19:24Z pkhuong: a fully copying GC like SBCL's might need 2x the memory. there are compacting GCs that do not have this weakness. 2018-06-29T16:19:46Z flip214: didi: how much memory can you reclaim by using BASE-STRINGs instead? for ten million vertices and 10 characters that's about 300MB conserved... 2018-06-29T16:19:46Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:19:52Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:20:22Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:20:37Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:20:40Z flip214: didi: did you already try the two-arrays instead of ALIST, or the two-global-arrays and two-32bit-nums in a 64bit? both should save quite a lot of memory. 2018-06-29T16:21:53Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:21:55Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:22:27Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:22:43Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:23:15Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:23:29Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:24:02Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:24:02Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:24:31Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:24:32Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:24:59Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:25:13Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:25:45Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:25:59Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:26:29Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:26:30Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:28:07Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:29:11Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:29:36Z joshe quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:29:40Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:30:58Z aeth quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:31:57Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:31:59Z aeth joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:34:29Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:35:30Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:35:32Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:43:40Z shka_ joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:44:11Z sjl joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:49:15Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T16:49:50Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T16:54:22Z smurfrobot quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-06-29T16:56:00Z smurfrobot joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:00:32Z thorondor[m] joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:00:45Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:04:54Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T17:05:51Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:06:31Z MatrixTraveler[m joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:06:31Z katco[m] joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:08:15Z loke quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-06-29T17:09:28Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T17:09:42Z makomo joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:10:05Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:11:52Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T17:12:24Z graphene joined #sbcl 2018-06-29T17:13:22Z m00natic quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-06-29T17:13:27Z smurfrobot quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T17:14:36Z graphene quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-06-29T17:28:55Z rpg quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I need to think a little bit how to implement it tho. 2018-06-29T21:45:33Z didi: pkhuong: Is there something I can do? Maybe tweaking some knob? 2018-06-29T21:45:43Z Shinmera: produce less garbage 2018-06-29T21:45:47Z Shinmera: increase the heap 2018-06-29T21:46:16Z didi: Shinmera: That's what I've being trying to do. 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