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2018-04-02T21:14:46Z dougk_: Now I have a file that causes the compiler to spend 18% of its time in DELQ. Of those calls, roughly 85% from oset-delete.  Not sure how to do faster ordered sets
2018-04-02T21:15:44Z stassats: now? so is it new?
2018-04-02T21:17:14Z dougk_: not "now" to imply newness. Just "now" as in "what I happen to be observing now".  Original question was why we spend 33 seconds compiling a 3-line file. Its our own fault
2018-04-02T21:17:41Z stassats: did the hide-ir-nodes changes help with your build times?
2018-04-02T21:18:53Z dougk_: I have not integrated yet into google's mirror.  Will do and let you know, I promise
2018-04-02T21:19:09Z stassats: and is your cons-in-large-object-pages fix good enough to be incorporated?
2018-04-02T21:19:29Z dougk_: i think it may be but as you and I both prefer, it should be done by not messing up the page table in the first place
2018-04-02T21:19:39Z stassats: there's no hide-ir-nodes anymore, but even more importantly, no stringifying unless there's something to report
2018-04-02T21:20:38Z stassats: i certainly don't want to overhaul listify-rest-args for all backends
2018-04-02T21:21:58Z dougk_: i have a different change in mind: i want conses on cons-only pages.  Then I reserve 1/(2*n-word-bits) bits of each page at the end for use as mark bits, which I need to improve 'fullcgc'.
2018-04-02T21:22:22Z stassats: excluding the nursery?
2018-04-02T21:22:32Z dougk_: no, i actually did the nursery as well
2018-04-02T21:22:57Z dougk_: the allocation macro takes the size argument as :cons to mean a cons, and it uses a different region, and calls a different trampoline
2018-04-02T21:22:59Z stassats: so, a couple of new slots in the thread struct?
2018-04-02T21:23:01Z dougk_: yes
2018-04-02T21:23:32Z dougk_: i hadn't actually finished the code for N linked conses, but it's the obvious next step
2018-04-02T21:23:47Z dougk_: this greatly optimizes conservative_root_p for conses
2018-04-02T21:24:06Z dougk_: no linear scan any more - just is it on a cons-only page, a multiple of 2, and <= bytes-used
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2018-04-02T21:27:33Z stassats: a possible oset-delete optimization, stop after deleting
2018-04-02T21:30:08Z stassats: there's only one caller of oset-delete
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2018-04-02T22:06:06Z stassats: dougk_: i'm pushing a change that makes oset-delete delete exactly one element, should help a bit
2018-04-02T22:06:18Z stassats: i know how to make oset-delete really fast, but it'll require more changes, divering from sset
2018-04-02T22:06:23Z stassats: if there's a test case i could see if it makes a difference
2018-04-02T22:07:10Z dougk__: nah, don't think any more about it. we have other problems with the offending code.  autogenerated lambda with 450 arguments
2018-04-02T22:07:21Z stassats: well, it may help other code
2018-04-02T22:08:29Z stassats: the more involved oset-delete: make each oset element occupy two vector positions, the second one storing the cons from oset-members
2018-04-02T22:08:33Z dougk_: ok, if i can package it up. Do we have a blanket bug for all the ways in which the compiler could be faster when optimizing for low speed + high compilation-speed ?
2018-04-02T22:08:41Z stassats: so it wouldn't have to iterate to find it
2018-04-02T22:08:58Z dougk_: i feel like there's a bug that says we should try to disable constraint propagation as the costliest thing. But in this case, it's actually the register allocator
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2018-04-02T22:17:47Z stassats: the vertex itself can link to other vertexes, instead of using conses
2018-04-02T22:18:30Z stassats: and deleting would be O(1)
2018-04-02T22:18:40Z stassats: without using any additional space
2018-04-02T22:19:33Z onion: hmm what is the terminology between vector and vertex? vtx is indexed, vect is distance from origin ?
2018-04-02T22:23:06Z stassats: oh well, vertexes can participate in more than one set, so that doesn't work (not using any additional space or indirection)
2018-04-02T22:23:59Z stassats: ok, then i'll stop at better delq for now
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2018-04-02T22:54:23Z stassats: >Append *ELSEWHERE* to *CODE-SEGMENT* after each asm routine
2018-04-02T22:54:28Z stassats: i tried to do that for each function
2018-04-02T22:54:48Z stassats: but the lack of debugging support stopped me
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2018-04-02T22:56:13Z stassats: but looking at the asm routines is where i originally got the idea as well
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2018-04-02T23:24:17Z scymtym_: re oset-delete: one instance that often stood out in flamegraphs (e.g. https://techfak.de/~jmoringe/clamegraph5.png) is in the iterative register allocator. i think we can just switch to an sset there since as far as i could see the oset (no longer) matters for determinism. when i tried the switch, it seemed to work fine
2018-04-02T23:28:38Z stassats: if needed, oset-delete can be O(1)
2018-04-02T23:29:21Z stassats: and oset-delete is only used in pack-iterative
2018-04-02T23:30:10Z stassats: r oset
2018-04-02T23:30:13Z stassats: or oset
2018-04-02T23:30:45Z scymtym_: yes, and i think that we likely no longer need it there
2018-04-02T23:33:46Z stassats: and what reproduciblity is it talking about?
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2018-04-02T23:38:36Z scymtym_: deterministic register selection allowing for identical machine code, i suppose
2018-04-02T23:39:18Z stassats: when which input parameters are changing?
2018-04-02T23:39:55Z stassats: now it depends on the insertion order and vertex creation order
2018-04-02T23:40:07Z scymtym_: isn't iterating over an sset already indeterministic?
2018-04-02T23:40:38Z scymtym_: i would have to look again, but i think the strategy was compensating for that using an oset
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2018-04-02T23:40:50Z stassats: if you insert the same stuff in the same order it's deterministic
2018-04-02T23:41:25Z stassats: it's based on vertex-number, not its address or anything
2018-04-02T23:43:33Z scymtym_: so maybe it was superfluous from the beginning, i don't know. i didn't focus on that aspect too much since i think the oset property is not used by code as it is now either way
2018-04-02T23:44:03Z stassats: i'd love to have it gone
2018-04-02T23:44:14Z stassats: if it's really the right thing to do
2018-04-02T23:45:00Z scymtym_: as i said, i tested that and it seemed to work. i wanted to think about it a bit more before actually pushing anything, though
2018-04-02T23:46:23Z stassats: it could be dependent on *pack-iterations*
2018-04-02T23:46:38Z scymtym_: if the change turns out to be sound, should we remove the oset implementation or just the one use?
2018-04-02T23:46:44Z stassats: if that matters
2018-04-02T23:46:57Z stassats: remove the whole thing
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2018-04-02T23:56:28Z stassats: got rid of the hash-table from pack-iterative
2018-04-02T23:56:46Z stassats: seems that nothing is broken due to that
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2018-04-03T00:05:03Z stassats: well, some tests fail
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2018-04-03T00:06:35Z stassats: not my fault, it looks like it has been looking up some nonsense in the hash-table
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2018-04-03T00:14:56Z stassats: in my test case, 50% of time is spent in sset-adjoin, but not from regalloc
2018-04-03T00:17:46Z stassats: or from regalloc and sb-sprof is just lying
2018-04-03T00:26:46Z dougk_: use linux perf, it won't lie!
2018-04-03T00:26:59Z stassats: i just misread it
2018-04-03T00:27:44Z dougk_: ugh, sourceforge seems completely unreliable again? git push hangs for a minute but then works, git pull gets "this is not a repository"
2018-04-03T00:27:59Z stassats: yes
2018-04-03T00:32:03Z slyrus_: gitlab.common-lisp.net!
2018-04-03T00:50:36Z stassats: huh, why is sset-adjoin so slow, testing it here and i can insert 10,000,000 in under a second
2018-04-03T00:50:56Z stassats: is regalloc really running it a 100,000,000 times?
2018-04-03T00:59:27Z stassats: is there some pathological collision or something
2018-04-03T01:03:39Z stassats: i'm getting more than 15 levels of collison
2018-04-03T01:04:12Z stassats: up to 30
2018-04-03T01:04:18Z stassats: that's got to be slow
2018-04-03T01:07:21Z stassats: a very strange looking set, with long spans of empty elements
2018-04-03T01:07:27Z stassats: and then tightly grouped elements
2018-04-03T01:14:42Z stassats: 32-strong set has 11 levels of collisions
2018-04-03T01:20:18Z stassats: ok, sset hashing is approximately completely bad
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2018-04-03T01:24:30Z stassats: once things are tightly packed and an element encounters a collision it goes for a while before finding a home
2018-04-03T01:25:35Z dougk_: can we change it to use NEW-INSTANCE-HASH-CODE instead of the counter?
2018-04-03T01:26:18Z stassats: maybe, but maybe the hash function isn't great either
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2018-04-03T01:27:10Z dougk_: i want to change a bunch of hashtables to use hopscotch. The C implementation is quite phenomenal
2018-04-03T01:29:15Z dougk_: and hopscotch is amenable to smaller table sizes. Rather than power-of-2 size, we can always size up to n-items / .7 rounded to odd. The inventors say load factor of .9 is reasonable
2018-04-03T01:31:11Z dougk_: we need one more piece to the puzzle - for any size table, precompute the constants required to implement a remainder operation as multiplication so that the speed of calculating a bin is only as bad as multiply, and not as bad as divide.
2018-04-03T01:34:26Z stassats: new-instance-hash-code makes things worse
2018-04-03T01:45:13Z stassats: compiling ironclad, over 250 levels of collision
2018-04-03T01:46:44Z stassats: this is getting silly, i'll try an ordinary hash-table
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2018-04-03T02:34:14Z pkhuong: dougk_: if the hash is decent, you don't need a mod
2018-04-03T02:34:21Z pkhuong: just scale in fixed point
2018-04-03T02:35:44Z pkhuong: first multiply by a random odd value if you're worried about rehashes
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2018-04-03T13:42:57Z phoe: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/753#753 I don't get that warning
2018-04-03T13:43:40Z phoe: The call to APPLY is highlighted and it seemingly tells me that 5th/7th/9th arguments are not constant. They are keywords though, and therefore are constant.
2018-04-03T13:43:43Z stassats: i don't get either, since i see no warnings there
2018-04-03T13:43:55Z phoe: uh right, s/warning/note
2018-04-03T13:44:14Z stassats: that i get
2018-04-03T13:44:19Z stassats: but can't help you with it
2018-04-03T13:44:44Z phoe: I still don't get it, why does it call keywords non-constant?
2018-04-03T13:44:51Z stassats: lp 1750466
2018-04-03T13:44:51Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1750466
2018-04-03T13:45:12Z phoe: Ooh. Thanks.
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2018-04-03T13:45:21Z stassats: well, there's nothing there, don't thank me
2018-04-03T13:45:43Z phoe: There already is a bugreport for it, that's enough info for me.
2018-04-03T13:46:35Z stassats: but your apply is not applying anything
2018-04-03T13:46:42Z stassats: so, why use apply?
2018-04-03T13:47:30Z phoe: https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern/blob/df82cd05c15f72d1a7bd10392e6ae994df64988a/postmodern/connect.lisp#L72
2018-04-03T13:47:51Z phoe: ...shouldn't that be (funcall #'connect ,@spec) instead
2018-04-03T13:48:16Z stassats: spec could be a variable
2018-04-03T13:48:51Z phoe: yes, sigh
2018-04-03T13:49:26Z stassats: that ticket is recent, but i have known about it and its underlying causes for some time
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2018-04-03T13:53:15Z phoe: #'constant-lvar-p returns NIL for keywords, it seems.
2018-04-03T13:53:25Z phoe: Let me verify.
2018-04-03T13:53:29Z stassats: it doesn't
2018-04-03T13:53:38Z phoe: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/dbfa14c569ea7a0c1fb06c667dc0ca14012d74ad/src/compiler/ctype.lisp#L322
2018-04-03T13:53:48Z phoe: It does, because otherwise we wouldn't go to that COND branch.
2018-04-03T13:53:54Z stassats: k is not a keyword there
2018-04-03T13:53:59Z stassats: and not a constant
2018-04-03T13:54:27Z phoe: Am I misinterpreting that function, then? Does it parse key-value pairs, as in &key?
2018-04-03T13:55:05Z stassats: you are misinterpreting what it's being called on
2018-04-03T13:55:49Z phoe: Okay. So that function is not being fed keywords themselves.
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2018-04-03T14:20:50Z scymtym_: stassats: i think there has been merge damage. SSET-MEMBER needs its arguments swapped compared to OSET-MEMBER (for some reason). in VERTEX-TARGET-VERTICES
2018-04-03T14:21:20Z stassats: forgot to commit --ammed
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2018-04-03T14:23:34Z phoe: stassats`: I'm not sure if I'm doing the test correctly here, https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern/pull/144/files
2018-04-03T14:23:50Z phoe: I made a PR for postmodern that attempts to optimize a tiny bit and work around this specific compiler note.
2018-04-03T14:23:54Z stassats: phoe: don't uglify the code
2018-04-03T14:24:11Z phoe: Yep, I looked at it and that was my main complaint, too/.
2018-04-03T14:24:39Z stassats: if i were marijnh i would reject that and say "get sbcl to behave"
2018-04-03T14:24:40Z jackdaniel: cl-uglify
2018-04-03T14:24:44Z jackdaniel: sounds like a good library name
2018-04-03T14:25:11Z |3b|: https://github.com/mishoo/cl-uglify-js ? :p
2018-04-03T14:25:36Z stassats: but js is already ugly
2018-04-03T14:26:15Z |3b|: true
2018-04-03T14:26:43Z stassats: phoe: and your change isn't actually optimizing anything
2018-04-03T14:27:07Z phoe: stassats: an apply for a funcall?
2018-04-03T14:27:13Z stassats: yes
2018-04-03T14:27:35Z phoe: let me guess, the compiler does that automatically?
2018-04-03T14:27:40Z stassats: yes
2018-04-03T14:28:17Z phoe: okay then.
2018-04-03T14:31:29Z stassats: scymtym_: and that change shaves off 200ms when building ironclad...
2018-04-03T14:32:46Z stassats: so it's more simplification than optimization
2018-04-03T14:36:20Z scymtym_: stassats: OSET-DELETE and GETHASH show up comparably in the ironclad flamegraph, so getting rid of OSET is also more of a simplification
2018-04-03T14:37:08Z scymtym_: on the other hand, many of the changes i made only shaved off a few percent, but the accumulated effect is significant by now
2018-04-03T14:37:09Z stassats: now sset needs to use a better hashing algorithm
2018-04-03T14:37:24Z stassats: i tried to switch to hash-table, but it doesn't build
2018-04-03T14:37:32Z stassats: can't spot the error
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2018-04-03T16:36:57Z scymtym_: stassats: is this still normal fluctuation? https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/plot/
2018-04-03T16:37:30Z stassats: are you thinking oset?
2018-04-03T16:37:57Z scymtym_: the change is associated to the commit that removed OSET, yes
2018-04-03T16:38:06Z stassats: i wouldn't expect that
2018-04-03T16:38:22Z scymtym_: the 32bit backends look different, though: https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/plot/
2018-04-03T16:40:51Z scymtym_: not sure what to think
2018-04-03T16:40:54Z scymtym_: an inadvertent change in the allocators behavior could of course result in something like this via more spilling or maybe different encodings
2018-04-03T16:42:36Z stassats: confirm it locally
2018-04-03T16:47:21Z scymtym_: yeah, i will try that later
2018-04-03T16:48:25Z stassats: would be nice to see a function that behaves differently
2018-04-03T16:50:38Z scymtym_: unit tests would mostly achieve that
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2018-04-03T17:05:36Z stassats: do we have any?
2018-04-03T17:07:05Z scymtym_: only a few
2018-04-03T17:07:49Z stassats: you had something for checking regalloc differences in the past
2018-04-03T17:10:14Z scymtym_: nothing interesting. i just hacked something for the problem at hand. basically just both versions of the source code in the same image, calling both and comparing the results. i could try that again, of course
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2018-04-04T12:02:56Z stassats: dougk_: there seems to be a problem around bignum fixups
2018-04-04T12:03:05Z stassats: the latest ticket
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2018-04-04T12:46:20Z scymtym: rme (i think) mentioned in #lisp that ccl can produce namestrings for pathnames with :type "foo.bar" by escaping the dot. we currently print such pathnames awkwardly and signal an error from NAMESTRING which often confuses people. i implemented the escaping as (namestring (make-pathname :name "foo" :type "bar.baz")) => "foo.bar\\.baz" and it doesn't seem to cause any problems. any objections to going forward with this?
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2018-04-04T13:10:47Z stassats: ok, i think i see the problem make-core-component is overwriting the code component
2018-04-04T13:10:58Z stassats: past the code component
2018-04-04T13:12:46Z stassats: oh, is it rather the code component is overflowing the header size?
2018-04-04T13:18:05Z stassats: yes, looks like that. SHORT_HEADER_MAX_WORDS is 32767
2018-04-04T13:20:25Z stassats: without ever checking that it's not overflowing
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2018-04-04T13:25:59Z stassats: a test case: (eval `(lambda () ,@(loop for i below 40000 collect `(fun ,(float i)))))
2018-04-04T13:30:14Z stassats: why are constants limited to SB-VM:SHORT-HEADER-MAX-WORDS?
2018-04-04T13:30:26Z stassats: what's stored in the rest of the header?
2018-04-04T13:41:27Z stassats: some complicated entry point scheme
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2018-04-04T14:30:02Z |3b|: scymtym: any interaction with #\\ as path separator on windows?
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2018-04-04T14:54:39Z scymtym: |3b|: i didn't test it, but it should be foo.bar^.baz, i.e. the platform-specific escape character, on windows
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2018-04-04T14:57:30Z scymtym: ok, at least in wine it works as i thought
2018-04-04T15:12:45Z Xof: can anyone remember more of PCL than I can?
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2018-04-04T15:13:39Z stassats: doubt it
2018-04-04T15:14:26Z Xof: what do people use for ephemeral(ish) pastes these days?
2018-04-04T15:14:36Z Xof: oh, maybe I should just put it on launchpad
2018-04-04T15:14:36Z pkhuong: Xof: gist.
2018-04-04T15:16:54Z Xof: too late
2018-04-04T15:16:58Z Xof: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/363248850/foo.diff
2018-04-04T15:17:34Z stassats: is that for eql specializers and &key?
2018-04-04T15:18:33Z Xof: yes
2018-04-04T15:18:48Z stassats: all i can say is "ok"
2018-04-04T15:18:51Z Xof: I suppose now I have battery back I should run tests
2018-04-04T15:19:58Z Xof: it's a moderately invasive change because of all the cleverness in making effective methods look as similar as possible to make a lot of things cacheable
2018-04-04T15:20:34Z Xof: I have to say wandering through all that stuff with highly similar names is really confusing
2018-04-04T15:21:38Z Xof: get-secondary-dispatch-function{,1,2}, compute-secondary-dispatch-function{,1}, make-effective-method-function{,1,-simple,-internal}
2018-04-04T15:21:41Z Xof: etc etc
2018-04-04T15:25:41Z Xof: (lucky I had a long train journey!)
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2018-04-04T21:58:13Z dougk__: do you think it's important enough to expand it back to 24 bits? (I'd like to be consistent between 32-bit and 64-bit)
2018-04-04T21:58:50Z dougk__: alternatively it can be expanded by as much as we like by using two words beyond the header, one for the boxed size, one for the unboxed size.  I actually had WIP to add better abstractions around this
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2018-04-05T15:40:12Z Xof: gaah
2018-04-05T15:40:17Z Xof: being told off by my own compiler
2018-04-05T15:40:46Z Xof: what are good ways of inhibiting tail call merges without actually doing any extra work?
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2018-04-05T15:56:18Z Xof: (I'm still interested, but now only theoretically)
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2018-04-05T21:10:28Z stassats`: Xof: we don't really have a tail call policy, just insert-debug-catch
2018-04-05T21:10:43Z stassats`: but multiple-value-prog1 would stop a tail call
2018-04-05T21:10:53Z stassats`: not doing tail calls to arbitrary functions is kinda expensive
2018-04-05T21:22:14Z Xof: our documentation says (optimize debug) inhibits tail call merging; it might be lying
2018-04-05T21:22:30Z Xof: (I figured out that my problem was closure debug pointer missing instead)
2018-04-05T21:22:42Z stassats`: debug turns on insert-debug-catch, which does inhibit
2018-04-05T21:22:57Z Xof: (defmethod foo ((x integer)) (1+ x)) (foo 1) (foo 1) (foo 1 1) => BUG
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2018-04-05T21:23:20Z stassats`: there used to be some other policy related to tco, but it's gone now, allegedly for not working
2018-04-05T21:24:39Z Xof: presumably because of some (declare (optimize (sb-c::eval-store-source-form 0))) somewhere
2018-04-05T21:27:00Z stassats`: that's should only be about the source form and nothing else
2018-04-05T21:29:30Z Xof: yes, but it's the lack of source form that triggers the BUG in the debugger
2018-04-05T21:29:32Z Xof: anyway
2018-04-05T21:29:33Z Xof: sleep
2018-04-05T21:30:12Z stassats`: why is it trying to print the source?
2018-04-05T21:31:08Z dougk__: i have a big bag of fixes for source form storage.  gets rid of the massive comment in sb-c::%compile about everything is awful
2018-04-05T21:31:18Z stassats`: slime can't find the location of FOO even with eval-store-source-form being high
2018-04-05T21:31:43Z dougk__: i fixed both cases that it says don't work.  but I need to track down one failure in debug.impure.lisp
2018-04-05T21:32:00Z dougk__: can commit now and ask question later, or can send for pre-commit review as you prefer
2018-04-05T21:32:44Z dougk__: basically every simple-fun compiled into memory gets its exact source form stored because it comes immediately from functional-inline-lambda of each functional so no matter how deep etc, instead of them all pointing back to debug-source-info of the toplevelmost thing containing a bunch of related functionals
2018-04-05T21:32:57Z dougk__: that is, if it asks to record source. and not if not, obviously
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2018-04-05T21:37:48Z stassats`: probably easier to push
2018-04-05T21:42:05Z stassats`: i think errors in EMFs should source locate to the generic function
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2018-04-05T21:42:53Z stassats`: show its source code is of little use
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2018-04-05T23:13:04Z dougk__: stassats`: i just pushed the change for source-form.
2018-04-05T23:13:22Z dougk__: also how many bits of significant do you think we'd like in code component header for boxed word count? I can change that, with some trouble
2018-04-05T23:13:36Z dougk__: byte 3 is currently reserved as the generation# in immobile space is the issue
2018-04-05T23:14:11Z stassats`: if it overflows, can we store as a first constant or something?
2018-04-05T23:14:39Z dougk__: i have some ideas.
2018-04-05T23:15:45Z stassats`: and are there any other header limitations that ought to be asserted?
2018-04-05T23:16:07Z stassats`: so that it doesn't go on breaking things
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2018-04-05T23:19:19Z stassats`: the change to code-location-source-form breaks slime
2018-04-05T23:19:42Z dougk__: oy.
2018-04-05T23:20:08Z dougk__: initially I passed in (frame . location) as a cons if we needed both. I'll put it back to that.
2018-04-05T23:20:29Z stassats`: well, slime is passing just LOCATION
2018-04-05T23:21:49Z dougk__: yes, i can fallback to not extracting from the simple-fun
2018-04-05T23:22:02Z dougk__: that's no worse than status-quo, right?
2018-04-05T23:22:07Z dougk__: or would that be strictly worse?
2018-04-05T23:23:51Z dougk__: Other possibility is avoid calling code-location-source-form when we have a simple-fun whose form is stored in it.
2018-04-05T23:24:17Z stassats`: can the function be fetched from COMPILED-CODE-LOCATION?
2018-04-05T23:26:16Z dougk__: and there's a bug in my change to repack-xrefs.  i didn't see how
2018-04-05T23:26:41Z dougk__: without a function in hand, we devolve back to the toplevelmost which is the same problem all over, no?
2018-04-05T23:26:52Z stassats`: i.e. (debug-fun-fun (code-location-debug-fun location)) in get-toplevel-form
2018-04-05T23:27:21Z stassats`: that seems to work for slime
2018-04-05T23:27:40Z dougk__: ah of course, the whole point is we only want the toplevelmost
2018-04-05T23:28:01Z dougk__: that's interesting, i was thinking that the point was to return the "interior" source form, but it really isn't because source paths don't express in terms of that
2018-04-05T23:28:08Z dougk__: i'm with you I think
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2018-04-05T23:36:47Z stassats`: ok, debug-dump stores the path into the toplevel form, right
2018-04-05T23:41:10Z stassats`: can you still get to the toplevel form?
2018-04-05T23:42:44Z dougk__: from any simple-fun you can access both its source and the source of the toplevel it was in - the function that is 'result' from %compile.
2018-04-05T23:43:24Z dougk__: the simple-fun stores the index (to %code-entry-point) of the toplevel it was in, so you can go fun -> code -> other-fun -> %simple-fun-info to get its toplevel
2018-04-05T23:44:42Z dougk__: but the problem as i saw it was that a location points to a debug-source which used to point to a form, but a debug-source no longer does point to a form.
2018-04-05T23:49:08Z stassats`: where does it store that?
2018-04-05T23:49:13Z stassats`: rather, how do i get to it
2018-04-05T23:50:44Z stassats`: and how does it point to the parent code object?
2018-04-05T23:55:27Z dougk__: %simple-fun-lexpr is either a cons (lambda args ...) or a cons of (integer . (lambda () args ...)). If the integer is nonzero then it's the index of the simple-fun that %compile returned as the toplevel
2018-04-05T23:55:50Z stassats`: index into where?
2018-04-05T23:56:03Z dougk__: (%code-entry-point (simple-fun-header any-simple-fun) index)
2018-04-05T23:56:17Z dougk__: the Nth entry in code-component
2018-04-05T23:56:18Z stassats`: well, there's just entry point, the function
2018-04-05T23:56:46Z dougk__: but that function has %simple-fun-lexpr  which is its source
2018-04-05T23:57:19Z dougk__: i basically moved debug-source-form into each simple-fun.
2018-04-05T23:57:26Z stassats`: i get that
2018-04-05T23:57:47Z stassats`: but the source locator needs the unabridged version
2018-04-05T23:58:18Z stassats`: and the child function is in no way linked to the parent
2018-04-05T23:58:26Z dougk__: the form that was getting into debug-source-form the old way is the same form that gets into the toplevel simple-fun the new way
2018-04-05T23:59:04Z dougk__: the child is linked by the backpointer in its %simple-fun-info which is a cons of the parent's entry index and its source form
2018-04-05T23:59:16Z dougk__: the latter "it's" meant the child's, not parents, form
2018-04-06T00:01:27Z dougk__: sorry I mean %simple-fun-lexpr which is an accessor to the %simple-fun-info slot.
2018-04-06T00:05:20Z stassats`:  (let* ((parent (compile nil `(named-lambda parent () (named-lambda child () (error "" )))))
2018-04-06T00:05:20Z stassats`:                 (child (funcall parent)))
2018-04-06T00:05:20Z stassats`:            (%code-entry-point (fun-code-header child) (nth-value 1 (sb-impl::%simple-fun-lexpr child))))
2018-04-06T00:05:21Z stassats`: #<FUNCTION CHILD {100236637B}>
2018-04-06T00:05:52Z stassats`: parent and child have separate code objects, so i still don't see how they can be linked
2018-04-06T00:07:25Z dougk__: they shared a debug-source-form before my change ?
2018-04-06T00:07:45Z stassats`: why would they need to?
2018-04-06T00:07:57Z stassats`: well
2018-04-06T00:08:08Z stassats`: they had differences debug sources, but debug-source-form the same
2018-04-06T00:10:16Z stassats`: since debug-source-form used to be the whole toplvel form
2018-04-06T00:11:09Z dougk__: oh, we do need both representations, that of debug-source-form, and simple-fun-lexpr.  That's unfortunate.
2018-04-06T00:11:39Z stassats`: can lexpr link not to index but to the actual parent function?
2018-04-06T00:12:04Z dougk__: oh, yes it could.  shall i try that?
2018-04-06T00:12:22Z stassats`: or another thing, debug-dump can path into the function in question
2018-04-06T00:12:31Z stassats`: not the toplvel form
2018-04-06T00:12:39Z dougk__: dumping never uses the source forms, right?
2018-04-06T00:12:47Z dougk__: source forms are only for to-memory compilation
2018-04-06T00:13:14Z dougk__: so my question, keeping with your suggestion: when one %compile invocation is going to make two code components, how do i know that it did that?
2018-04-06T00:14:03Z dougk__: components-from-dfos returns more than one, ok.
2018-04-06T00:14:24Z dougk__: or rather, "is" a  list of more than one
2018-04-06T00:15:04Z stassats`: the parent function will refer to the children through constants
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2018-04-06T00:17:15Z stassats`: or what you said if you're at that level
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2018-04-06T00:21:25Z dougk__: i'm inclined to resurrect debug-source-form for the moment. Probably should subtype debug-source as core-debug-source for the reasons cited in WHN's comment that half the slots are all redundant in one case or the other
2018-04-06T00:22:42Z dougk__: well, two of them anyway. He referred to "seventh" and "eighth" slots but there haven't been that many slots for as far back as I cared to examine
2018-04-06T00:29:24Z stassats`: debug-source can have the plist slot moved into a subclass as well
2018-04-06T00:29:55Z stassats`: saving 16 bytes per normal debug sources
2018-04-06T00:37:54Z dougk__: might do that. let me unbreak what i broke. Thanks for talking this through.
2018-04-06T00:38:34Z stassats`: and slime uses debug-source-plist, so it will have to be defined manually
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2018-04-06T01:04:13Z dougk__: stassats`: I just realized, after committing the fix, that DEBUG-SOURCE-FUNCTION was only for DESCRIBE.
2018-04-06T01:04:26Z dougk__: now back to the drawing board to remove some noise again
2018-04-06T01:07:32Z stassats`: huh, commonqt has stopped working on macos 10.13.4, but only on sbcl, works fine on ccl, after i actuallyused ccl::call-in-initial-process
2018-04-06T01:08:12Z stassats`: what could sbcl be doing
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2018-04-06T01:26:24Z stassats`: well, i don't have to rewrite my app in swift or start commonqt5, there's that
2018-04-06T01:30:00Z stassats`: some abi thing?
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2018-04-06T01:54:41Z stassats`: trying without :mach-exception-handler and then without :sb-thread
2018-04-06T02:01:22Z stassats`:     bogus INFO for #<FUNCTION START-MULTIPROCESSING>: (LAMBDA () (BLOCK START-MULTIPROCESSING NIL))
2018-04-06T02:01:27Z stassats`: huh?
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2018-04-06T02:09:37Z stassats`: an easy fix
2018-04-06T02:20:02Z stassats`: ok, threads no threads, doesn't matter
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2018-04-06T02:25:34Z stassats`: huh, looking at disassembly, there's a deliberate xor of an argument passed to strstr
2018-04-06T02:25:39Z stassats`: on which it segfaults
2018-04-06T02:36:41Z stassats`: looks like apple is just breaking things, although strange that it works on ccl
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2018-04-06T07:40:27Z flip214: I get "A function with declared result type NIL returned: bordeaux-threads:condition-wait" and the SBCL process stops.
2018-04-06T07:40:33Z flip214: phoe told me to report here.
2018-04-06T07:41:12Z flip214: I already have (setf sb-ext:*derive-function-types* nil)
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2018-04-06T09:13:41Z Xof: flip214: we'll almost certainly need more details on how to reproduce
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2018-04-06T10:32:00Z flip214: Xof: if only I knew.
2018-04-06T10:32:15Z flip214: deleted ~/.cache/common-lisp and recompiled and everything's fine now.
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2018-04-06T10:44:52Z Xof: hooray!  We can pretend that the problem never existed
2018-04-06T10:49:32Z phoe: just like I did one time
2018-04-06T10:49:42Z phoe: I killed the fasl cache, recompiled and woo
2018-04-06T10:49:59Z phoe: and then I got scolded on #lisp for doing that because now I have no reproducing info
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2018-04-06T10:55:16Z flip214: well, AFAIK just setting sb-ext:*derive-function-types* T in your ~/.sbclrc before QL'ing B-T should be a reproducer
2018-04-06T10:56:05Z stassats`: phoe: having fasls doesn't help reproduce anything, scold them back
2018-04-06T10:56:56Z Xof: sb-ext:*derive-function-types* might "just" reveal buggy code
2018-04-06T10:57:08Z stassats`: flip214: that bt thing is old
2018-04-06T10:57:20Z Xof: or might encourage sbcl to do things that we know are dubious
2018-04-06T10:57:26Z stassats`: lp 1289779
2018-04-06T10:57:27Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289779
2018-04-06T10:57:36Z Xof: if you have *derive-function-types* on you had better never redefine any function
2018-04-06T10:57:54Z stassats`: *derive-function-types* is basically in effect in one file
2018-04-06T10:58:10Z stassats`: and redefining functions in the same file is indeed a pain
2018-04-06T10:58:36Z Xof: yes
2018-04-06T11:00:43Z stassats`: apple doesn't provide source code for Metal, but the assembly ode that makes sbcl fail is really strange
2018-04-06T11:01:13Z stassats`: the only reason i like open source - being able to debug and fix other people's bugs
2018-04-06T11:01:25Z phoe: why do you dislike open source?
2018-04-06T11:03:11Z stassats`: phoe: cause there's no reason to like it
2018-04-06T11:07:06Z phoe: hm
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2018-04-06T12:08:12Z flip214: I don't see why *d-f-t* should only have effect in one file
2018-04-06T12:08:35Z flip214: and shouldn't correct dependencies in ASDF fix the later functions by recompiling anyway?
2018-04-06T12:08:59Z flip214: I really like to have the estimated type available, and get some hints when arguments don't match etc.
2018-04-06T12:09:16Z stassats: that's not what *d-f-t* does, thoguh
2018-04-06T12:10:17Z Xof: *derive-function-types* really means "use the current function type to infer things about functions being compiled"
2018-04-06T12:10:26Z Xof: you can normally do that within one file because of CLHS 3.2.2.3
2018-04-06T12:10:38Z flip214: perhaps BT should be fixed instead?!
2018-04-06T12:10:48Z Xof: you can't do it in general, but turning *d-f-t* on makes sbcl do it anyway
2018-04-06T12:11:09Z Xof: but we are slightly too eager to compute a function type
2018-04-06T12:11:36Z Xof: (when nil (defun foo (x) (1+ x))) will impute a function type of (function (number) (number)) for foo, even if it never gets defined
2018-04-06T12:12:13Z stassats: and there is really no good way around that
2018-04-06T12:16:15Z stassats: check if the named-lambda is in a branch of a conditional and refuse to propagate its type, except when nil will be handled by the fop compiler
2018-04-06T12:16:34Z stassats: WHEN NIL
2018-04-06T12:22:23Z stassats: (and if you ask me, i would get rid of fopcompile)
2018-04-06T12:23:10Z phoe: (if (ask-stassats) (defun next-thing-to-do () (get-rid-of-fopcompile)))
2018-04-06T12:23:22Z phoe: so if I don't ask you, then the ftype of next-thing-to-do will not be propagated
2018-04-06T12:24:00Z jackdaniel: one-branch if? meh
2018-04-06T12:24:26Z phoe: jackdaniel: well, fine, s/if/when/
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2018-04-06T23:59:35Z psilord: Hello, I was wondering, is it possible to disassemble functions inside of LABELS or FLET with disassemble?
2018-04-06T23:59:53Z psilord: The statistical profiler tells me about those functions, but not in a meaningful way that I can pass to disassemble.
2018-04-07T00:15:50Z pfdietz: I do not know
2018-04-07T00:18:19Z psilord: all right, thanks for thinking about it!
2018-04-07T00:22:31Z on_ion: i have a strong feel that it is possible in CL, psilord . can we disasm lambdas ?
2018-04-07T00:25:31Z psilord: sure we can, on_ion. As long as the function in the labels isn't to heavily bound in a closure over the free variables, I can mostly remove it from the labels and see how it disassembles. But, in this case, I have a lot of them, and that is tedious.
2018-04-07T00:27:12Z on_ion: hmm.. can disasm during trace ?
2018-04-07T00:32:29Z psilord: Unknown.
2018-04-07T00:34:16Z on_ion: ok =)
2018-04-07T01:09:08Z scymtym: psilord: SB-DISASSEM:DISASSEMBLE-CODE-COMPONENT will disassemble local functions in the function passed as argument. you have to figure out which is which, though
2018-04-07T01:10:50Z psilord: scymtym: Thanks!
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2018-04-07T11:06:19Z Xof: do closures have their own source location?
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2018-04-07T14:20:03Z phoe: when I change supertypes of a condition, the compiler issues a warning: change in superclasses of class MY-CONDITION
2018-04-07T14:20:15Z phoe: and it goes like, new superclasses: (T CONDITION SERIOUS-CONDITION ERROR)
2018-04-07T14:20:34Z phoe: any reason why the class precedence list goes from least-specific to most-specific here? it's a bit confusing to me
2018-04-07T14:36:14Z pfdietz: Is that purported to be the class precedence list, or just a list of superclasses?
2018-04-07T14:41:46Z phoe: it does look like (reverse class-precedence-list)
2018-04-07T14:41:52Z phoe: but I can verify in a moment
2018-04-07T14:42:43Z phoe: https://pastebin.com/c3gwTEY4
2018-04-07T14:42:50Z phoe: it *does* look like (reverse class-precedence-list)
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2018-04-07T17:12:05Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-07T17:12:06Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #2368: FIXED in 28 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/2368/
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2018-04-07T22:39:13Z stassats`: how come instance-usage lists 81 TNs in a fresh image?
2018-04-07T22:39:58Z stassats`: oh, it's from RAX-TN
2018-04-07T22:40:01Z stassats`: etc.
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2018-04-07T23:12:20Z fortitude_: should I be able to send and receive data on the same udp socket, as long as I've called SOCKET-BIND on it?
2018-04-07T23:12:29Z fortitude_: as-is, it seems to hang in SOCKET-RECEIVE
2018-04-07T23:13:08Z stassats`: that's more of a networking question, not an sbcl question, isn't it?
2018-04-07T23:14:43Z fortitude_: possibly, although my research says "yes", and it works if I create a separate socket with just :local-host and :local-port supplied
2018-04-07T23:15:01Z fortitude_: I suppose I can write a test in something else
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2018-04-08T02:30:19Z corci: Project sbcl-master » safepoints,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3228: FIXED in 51 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=safepoints,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3228/
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2018-04-08T07:51:40Z svillemot: hi, the Debian package for 1.4.6 fails to build on ARM 32-bits in the sb-rotate-byte contrib (The assertion (= (PFIXNUM 5 5) 160) failed with (PFIXNUM 5 5) = 864)
2018-04-08T07:51:44Z svillemot: see https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=sbcl&arch=armhf&ver=2%3A1.4.6-1&stamp=1523140440&raw=0
2018-04-08T07:51:49Z svillemot: does that ring a bell to you?
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2018-04-08T10:44:16Z Xof: no
2018-04-08T10:44:26Z Xof: did it succeed in earlier versions?
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2018-04-08T13:05:23Z svillemot: Xof: yes, it worked with 1.4.5 (though it does not necessarily mean that the problem comes from the new SBCL release, it may be due to a change in the toolchain)
2018-04-08T13:10:24Z svillemot: if that helps, I may try to test the two hypotheses
2018-04-08T13:13:03Z Xof: could you?
2018-04-08T13:13:57Z Xof: though it does look like an sbcl problem
2018-04-08T13:14:06Z svillemot: ok
2018-04-08T13:14:12Z Xof: but confirming that would be good.  Bisecting would be great
2018-04-08T13:14:43Z svillemot: I'm first gonna try to reproduce the problem with 1.4.6, then 1.4.5, and then bisect if that's relevant
2018-04-08T13:14:49Z Xof: thanks
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2018-04-08T22:17:11Z stassats`: i would bet it's the arm32 is a lifetime problem
2018-04-08T22:17:18Z stassats`: uncovered by the changes to sb-regalloc
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2018-04-09T07:36:18Z svillemot: Xof: bisection of the arm32/sb-rotate-byte issue leads to commit 678177b100
2018-04-09T07:58:36Z Xof: thank you
2018-04-09T08:04:13Z Xof: stassats` could be right.  At least a read of that commit doesn't reveal any immediate flashing lights.
2018-04-09T08:10:05Z scymtym: there is something, though: the order in which SC locations are tried is now different for SCs that do not list locations in ascending order w.r.t. offset. this can lead to different register allocation results. i missed that by only looking at the x86_64 backend. should, in theory, "only" affect performance and code size. that not being the case in practice is what stassats' already suspected
2018-04-09T08:26:38Z scymtym: maybe DO-SC-LOCATIONS should have slow-path that iterates over a vector of locations for that case
2018-04-09T08:27:15Z Xof: or we could fix all the lifetime issues :)
2018-04-09T08:28:05Z scymtym: or the crazy solution: DO-SC-LOCATIONS expands to (case SC ...) and each clause contains an unrolled loop with locations in the desired order
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2018-04-09T11:32:14Z stassats`: i kinda bricked my arm32 device, let's see if the gcc machine can build 32-bit
2018-04-09T11:34:18Z stassats`: cc: error: unrecognized command line option '-marm';
2018-04-09T11:37:23Z stassats`: a slower machine seems to have 32-bit stuff
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2018-04-09T11:55:11Z stassats`: and sb-rotate-byte does fail
2018-04-09T11:55:37Z stassats`: ok, now to connect slime and figure out the lifetime problem
2018-04-09T11:55:39Z pkhuong: rotate byte failed for me on arm32 ~3 weeks ago
2018-04-09T11:55:57Z pkhuong: didn't have time to investigate
2018-04-09T11:57:53Z stassats`: ok, i can see a potential lifetime issue without running anything
2018-04-09T12:00:57Z stassats`: one :to :save and it's fixed
2018-04-09T12:02:55Z scymtym: the issue with regalloc not trying offsets in preferred order remains
2018-04-09T12:03:02Z scymtym: i can see multiple solutions
2018-04-09T12:03:35Z scymtym: 1) as i wrote above, a slow path for DO-SC-LOCATIONS that iterates over a vector of locations
2018-04-09T12:04:50Z scymtym: 2) backends must specify locations in ascending order w.r.t. offsets. that would require translating offsets when encoding instructions
2018-04-09T12:05:07Z stassats`: here it's ignoring :target
2018-04-09T12:05:49Z scymtym: 3) backends must specify locations in ascending order w.r.t. offsets and lose the ability to specify a preferred order
2018-04-09T12:06:58Z stassats`: svillemot: fixed
2018-04-09T12:14:47Z svillemot: stassats`: thanks! I'm going to apply your patch on top of 1.4.6 to fix the Debian package
2018-04-09T12:21:41Z svillemot: totally unrelated: if someone could have a look a this powerpc patch applied to the Debian package, I would be grateful https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1636659
2018-04-09T12:22:27Z stassats`: not me
2018-04-09T12:26:42Z svillemot: the thing is that this patch modifies codepaths that are not ppc-specific, so I'm not comfortable diverging from upstream without some feedback
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2018-04-09T17:48:04Z scymtym: i have seemingly unrelated changes (minor fix for recent pathname changes) that cause traceroot.test.sh to reliably fail. it seems as if CLEARSTUFF in that file now fails to overwrite the stack reference. fiddling around like inserting a (sb-ext:gc :full t) at the beginning of the program makes the issue disappear. any ideas?
2018-04-09T17:51:05Z stassats: use scrub-control-stack instead
2018-04-09T17:52:54Z scymtym: i'll try that, thanks
2018-04-09T17:55:20Z scymtym: seems to work
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2018-04-09T17:56:19Z scymtym: does scrub-control-stack work on all platforms?
2018-04-09T17:56:44Z stassats: yes
2018-04-09T17:57:02Z scymtym: ok, i'm pushing the change then. thanks again
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2018-04-09T18:11:04Z stylewarning: Could anybody help me making a fixnum rdrand function? http://codepad.org/AYLnIFN0
2018-04-09T18:12:43Z pkhuong: stylewarning: VOP types describe the physical representation. you want an (un)signed num
2018-04-09T18:12:59Z stassats: stylewarning: what about it? other than what pkhuong is saying
2018-04-09T18:13:12Z stylewarning: i'm just no good at debugging this stuff i guess
2018-04-09T18:13:20Z pkhuong: the IR1 type derived from the defknown will let the compiler insert a quick conversion from untagged to a tagged fixnum as necessary
2018-04-09T18:13:50Z pkhuong: that only does a shift, instead of a conditional fixnumification/bignum boxing.
2018-04-09T18:14:24Z stassats: shr is the wrong direction to shift
2018-04-09T18:14:26Z stylewarning: is defknowning as fixnum even correct?
2018-04-09T18:14:55Z stassats: and rdrand doesn't produce fixnums
2018-04-09T18:15:10Z pkhuong: why do you want rdrand though?
2018-04-09T18:15:34Z stylewarning: i wanted to benchmark it; i have code that's RANDOM-bound
2018-04-09T18:15:48Z pkhuong: rdrand won't help.
2018-04-09T18:15:52Z stylewarning: ok
2018-04-09T18:16:31Z pkhuong: try PCG or xorshift+
2018-04-09T18:17:58Z stylewarning: i'll check out pcg, thanks
2018-04-09T18:18:06Z pkhuong: and, if necessary, insert a one-value buffer between the generation code and the code that needs random numbers (I think xorshit128+ and PCG mostly do that already). the buffering will expose more ILP to the processor
2018-04-09T18:19:35Z pkhuong: rdrand is pretty smelly these days. it's slow, and rdseed is recommended for, you know, seeding PRNGs.
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2018-04-09T19:57:09Z phoe: It took me years of seeing this error to finally understand its grammar
2018-04-09T19:57:11Z phoe: https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/code/condition.lisp#L1797
2018-04-09T19:57:46Z phoe: "Execution of a form compiled with errors." could be perhaps better worded as "Attempted to execute a form that was compiled with errors."
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2018-04-09T21:00:02Z svillemot: Xof: ok, I'll keep the ppc patch; and please consider that I'm nagging you right now :)
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2018-04-10T17:22:19Z capitaomorte: Hi, does anyone here know how to quickly and reproducibly crash sbcl on purpose, i.e. make it become irresponsive (to signals, network, etc), but not die
2018-04-10T17:22:24Z capitaomorte: ?
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2018-04-10T17:44:56Z phoe: (let (foo) (loop (setf foo (cons foo foo))))
2018-04-10T17:45:06Z phoe: oh wait, they left
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2018-04-10T20:53:14Z dougk_: stassats: i sent an example of a regression from one of your changes, plus there's something wrong with "jump to undefined-tramp for errors" but I don't have a consistent reproducer. the debugger can't find the undefined function but only sometimes
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2018-04-10T23:17:23Z attila_lendvai: hrm, i had to add a (*print-readably* nil) to trace-start-breakpoint-fun to avoid an error while trace output is printed... i wonder how come this didn't happen to anyone yet
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2018-04-10T23:38:13Z attila_lendvai has a test case and will send a patch
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2018-04-11T15:32:19Z phoe: I found a minor annoyance in SBCL/slime highlighting
2018-04-11T15:32:27Z phoe: (defun foo () `(,@(when (and t (not bar)) `((1 2 3 4)))))
2018-04-11T15:32:56Z phoe: BAR is an unbound variable there and the compiler correctly tells me of that fact, but it's ((1 2 3 4)) that is highlighted in slime, instead of (not bar)
2018-04-11T15:33:18Z phoe: this only happens with the backquote, and only if I have nested stuff like (and t (not bar)) instead of (not bar)
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2018-04-11T15:54:45Z flip214: so the form counting seems to have a mismatch
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2018-04-11T21:40:41Z dougk_: holy cow, we pass 4MiB as the signal stack size on macOS.  SIGSTKSZ = 131072, and we do sigaltstack with 32*SIGSTKSZ. so double the size of the main stack. wtf?
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2018-04-11T21:52:29Z stassats: dougk_: darwin doesn't use the altstack
2018-04-11T21:52:44Z dougk_: it allocates it for sure. i put a printf right there
2018-04-11T21:52:58Z stassats: it's 0
2018-04-11T21:54:03Z dougk_: i see, ALT_STACK_SIZE = 0
2018-04-11T21:56:27Z stassats: but it used to allocate it and not ue it
2018-04-11T21:56:55Z dougk_: it's probably wrong to call sigaltstack at all, which we do
2018-04-11T21:58:56Z stassats: that can be used only by foreign threads
2018-04-11T21:59:05Z stassats: wait a minute, is that why qt is broken?
2018-04-11T22:00:58Z stassats: well, it's broken without mach_exception_handler, so, probably note
2018-04-11T22:02:37Z stassats: yeah, that doesn't help
2018-04-11T22:16:43Z dougk_: well, i see a bug in #+(and sb-safepoint-strictly (not win32)), not that it probably matters to anyone, myself included
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2018-04-16T02:38:43Z simplegauss: hi. i think i may have found an optimization bug, but i'm confused how it can even occur: https://pastebin.com/SjBV06L2 .
2018-04-16T02:40:06Z simplegauss: basically if a macro expands to a function and i use it directly in a funcall, a separate lambda is compiled, but if i do the macroexpansion myself or assign the result of the macro to a function variable first (still within a funcall mind you) the code of the macro gets directly inlined (in disassembly)
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2018-04-16T10:54:27Z scymtym: stassats: re simplegauss' question: adding a clause for macroexpand-and-retry to ENSURE-SOURCE-FUN-FORM solves the particular issue (the %FUNCALL translator has something similar with a comment to that effect). does that make sense?
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2018-04-17T07:56:06Z scymtym: dougk_: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1761947 : as i said, i like the approach. i suggest splitting of the WITH-COMPILATION-UNIT change into a separate commit (for bisecting etc.). the NAME-RESERVED-BY-ANSI-P check in SUMMARIZE-COMPILATION-UNIT could probably use a clause for :class since the same argument as for :type should apply
2018-04-17T07:59:58Z scymtym: in the list of potential fixes, the second one does not consider non-standard specializers which would result in forms not matching the pattern (find-class 'NAME)
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2018-04-17T10:39:11Z Xof: I feel some CLOS hackage in my future
2018-04-17T10:39:18Z Xof: (as well as in my past)
2018-04-17T10:39:46Z Xof: things to do: (1) weaken all the pointers (2) fix method-combination (3) back to non-standard specializers
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2018-04-17T22:07:01Z Xof: why would traceroot.test.sh give me an "invalid exit code: 1" with no particular other diagnostic?
2018-04-17T22:08:13Z stassats`: that's what test(1) returns
2018-04-17T22:08:55Z Xof: yeah
2018-04-17T22:10:04Z Xof: where is the temporary file?
2018-04-17T22:11:24Z Xof: (oh right I have to comment out the trap invocation)
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2018-04-17T22:12:57Z Xof: hm.  OK, I need to do a full build and sleep, not in that order
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2018-04-17T22:24:44Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #2440: FIXED in 29 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/2440/
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2018-04-17T23:17:39Z stassats`: scymtym: that could work but that's not solving the problem in general
2018-04-17T23:18:49Z stassats`: i tried to do some tricks during locall-analyze-clambdas-until-done before the initial dfo, but then, on x86-64, we can actually have calls on symbols, without using %coerce-callable-for-call
2018-04-17T23:19:47Z stassats`: so i can have (let ((f (lambda (x) x))) (funcall f 10)) be let converted and not split into different components
2018-04-17T23:26:19Z stassats`: that would actually simplify #+call-symbol a lot and remove %coerce-callable-for-call, if that works, that is
2018-04-17T23:29:38Z stassats`: one problem, it doesn't handle type conflicts
2018-04-17T23:30:48Z stassats`: ok, i can still insert a cast and get rid of it in locall-analyze-fun-1
2018-04-17T23:31:06Z stassats`: easier than getting rid of two casts and a call, which is the case now
2018-04-17T23:45:37Z stassats`: and i need to delay xep creation
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2018-04-19T11:37:59Z Baggers: stassats: the issue you saw with commonqt on high sierra is also affecting cl-sdl2 & glfw
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2018-04-19T11:39:17Z Baggers: happens current sbcl (and previous versions but not sure which were tested), doesnt occur on ccl or ecl. Only after high sierra upgrade
2018-04-19T11:39:25Z Shinmera: Thanks apple
2018-04-19T11:39:28Z Baggers: happens with xcode 8 & 9
2018-04-19T11:39:58Z stassats: it's not high sierra, it's only after 10.13.4
2018-04-19T11:40:02Z Baggers: only occurs at the point that mac focuses the application
2018-04-19T11:40:07Z Baggers: stassats: good to know
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2018-04-19T11:48:11Z borodust: o/
2018-04-19T11:49:12Z borodust: stassats: i can try to arrange minimal glfw case if required
2018-04-19T11:49:22Z stassats: not required
2018-04-19T11:49:27Z borodust: cool, tnx
2018-04-19T11:49:32Z stassats: i'm not going to do anything anyway
2018-04-19T11:55:43Z Baggers: stassats: can you give an advice on where to start debugging this? As it works from other languages & lisp implementations it's been tricky to narrow this down. Any hunches would be appreciated
2018-04-19T11:56:00Z stassats: nothing
2018-04-19T11:56:36Z stassats: install 10.13.5 beta and see if it's still there
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2018-04-19T15:45:35Z pfdietz2: I was not able to reproduce 1764847 without binding sb-c::*max-optimize-iterations*.
2018-04-19T15:47:27Z stassats: good
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2018-04-19T17:16:01Z stassats: ok, not really, i can make *max-optimize-iterations* go up to 2, but it doesn't trigger the problem
2018-04-19T17:16:12Z stassats: the counter, rather
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2018-04-19T18:03:20Z stassats: ir1-optimize-until-done is pretty convoluted and not explained
2018-04-19T18:03:33Z stassats: but i think i can do a simple modification that makes 1764847 go away
2018-04-19T18:03:54Z stassats: not because i want 1764847 to go away, don't really care about it, but because it seems like the right thing
2018-04-19T18:05:28Z stassats: unless it's not the right thing, building and testing to find out
2018-04-19T18:07:39Z pfdietz2: I'm not attached to these bugs; you can judge them important or not as you see fit.  Some may come up in "real" code but you'd have a better sense of that than I would.
2018-04-19T18:08:08Z stassats: theoretically, it can surface without *max-optimize-iterations*
2018-04-19T18:08:16Z stassats: but practically, i can't make it
2018-04-19T18:08:52Z stassats: and i don't want to do anything if it's not actually real, and the failure mode is benign - compilation failure, not a silent corruption
2018-04-19T18:11:39Z stassats: and now it will go away even with *max-optimize-iterations* bound to 1, but it's still potentially there
2018-04-19T18:12:20Z stassats: i'd love *max-optimize-iterations* to go away completely
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2018-04-19T18:13:59Z stassats: one place we've discovered it's needed - type derivation can go in cycles
2018-04-19T18:14:12Z pfdietz2: I should look for other internal knobs to tweak for testing. Easy way to expand test diversity.
2018-04-19T18:14:17Z stassats: maybe that could be handled separately
2018-04-19T18:14:47Z stassats: pfdietz: could try SB-C::*REOPTIMIZE-AFTER-TYPE-CHECK-MAX*
2018-04-19T18:15:04Z stassats: i really don't like this one either
2018-04-19T18:15:38Z stassats: well, like any a-magic-number-let's-hope-it-will-converge-on-something-consistent
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2018-04-19T19:03:59Z pfdietz2: Bug submitted doing that.
2018-04-19T19:05:57Z stassats: what's the number?
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2018-04-19T19:11:42Z stassats: just received the mail
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2018-04-19T19:16:20Z pfdietz2: Also can generate a failure with the var bound to 2.
2018-04-19T19:23:56Z stassats: pfdietz2: ok, that's not really a valid bug
2018-04-19T19:24:04Z stassats: maybe *reoptimize-after-type-check-max* is a bad thing to lower
2018-04-19T19:25:08Z stassats: pfdietz2: a better thing to try (setf sb-c::*constraint-propagate* nil)
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2018-04-19T19:53:43Z stassats: ok, that's more interesting, but probably doesn't need fixing
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2018-04-19T19:54:04Z stassats: we are relying on constraint propagation there to choose the right types
2018-04-19T19:56:26Z stassats: pfdietz2: another candidate, (setf sb-c::*check-consistency* t)
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2018-04-19T21:02:14Z pfdietz2: Not seeing failures from those, but will keep the machinery grinding.
2018-04-19T21:02:55Z stassats: wait, *check-consistency* doesn't fail
2018-04-19T21:03:11Z stassats: ok, sometimes it does
2018-04-19T21:03:22Z stassats: but sometimes it just produces warnings
2018-04-19T21:04:25Z stassats: no, ok, it's mostly errors
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2018-04-19T21:11:22Z Xof: *check-consistency* stuff has possibly been ironed out by pfdietz, because the common symptom without it is a function deleting its entire body, then calling it goes directly into the *elsewhere* error-signalling code
2018-04-19T21:12:14Z stassats: there was some other stuff, like zombie blocks
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2018-04-19T21:33:02Z pfdietz2: I need to do a mass download of all the Common Lisp projects on github.  I've been using quicklisp projects for test generation but more is better.
2018-04-19T21:33:57Z pfdietz2: 3885 repos there in CL.
2018-04-19T21:34:29Z Bike: that might be counting forks. github search kinda blows.
2018-04-19T21:35:01Z pfdietz2: I'm sure there is much redundancy.
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2018-04-19T21:41:40Z Xof: so, a quick guess about the OS X bug that has got people excited
2018-04-19T21:42:01Z Xof: the ABI says "the CPU shall be in x87 mode upon entry to a function"
2018-04-19T21:43:39Z Xof: I remember a time when there was a similarly weird bug like this, because we weren't clearing DF properly
2018-04-19T21:43:47Z stassats: in my previous analysis, look at the disassembled code, it does xor r13, r13 ... mov rdi, r13 call strstr
2018-04-19T21:44:02Z stassats: i don't think that's abi, just some bullshit code, but there's no sources
2018-04-19T21:45:01Z stassats: what is x87 mode, even?
2018-04-19T21:45:07Z Xof: I think non-MMX
2018-04-19T21:45:32Z stassats: do we really go into mmx?
2018-04-19T21:45:37Z stassats: besides, it's in a foreign thread
2018-04-19T21:45:48Z Xof: we probably do not go into mmx
2018-04-19T21:45:54Z Xof: at least not deliberately
2018-04-19T21:47:11Z Xof: well, in any case, I don't have time to actually look for at least a week
2018-04-19T21:47:30Z stassats: i'm not looking until the next macOS release
2018-04-19T21:47:49Z stassats: the .5
2018-04-19T21:48:09Z stassats: because it smells like a colossal waste of time
2018-04-19T21:48:34Z stassats: no guarantees that it'll be fixed, but at least some chance
2018-04-19T21:53:07Z stassats: or is rdi the third argument?
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2018-04-19T21:56:42Z stassats: no, the first
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2018-04-19T22:11:11Z stassats: maybe that zeroing is deliberate, like "uh oh, use after free"
2018-04-19T22:11:13Z stassats: or something
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2018-04-19T22:23:51Z pfdietz2: 1765533
2018-04-19T22:23:59Z stassats: lp 1765533
2018-04-19T22:23:59Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1765533
2018-04-19T22:24:21Z stassats: ok, that's non trivial to triage
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2018-04-20T19:53:02Z dougk__: scymtym: was lp#1688251 definitely fixed by your checkin that said "sb-posix: Allow strtod tests to succeed on (some?) non-English locales". Could be closed if so
2018-04-20T20:09:42Z scymtym: dougk__: seems fair to close it. the particular case, #\, as decimal point, is fixed. if somebody encounters the problem with a different character, a new issue can be filed
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2018-04-20T20:45:41Z scymtym: stassats: the current setting is the best compromise i could find. i can check again tomorrow. maybe they added something in the meantime
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2018-04-20T21:15:34Z webchat296: hello, i am coming here from #lisp
2018-04-20T21:15:48Z webchat296: I want this:
2018-04-20T21:15:51Z webchat296: 1. save some data in *var*
2018-04-20T21:15:53Z webchat296: 2. dump the running image with a init-hook
2018-04-20T21:15:56Z webchat296: 3. when i run the dumped image the init-hook runs
2018-04-20T21:15:58Z webchat296: 4. then it takes me to the REPL
2018-04-20T21:16:12Z webchat296: this is what i am doing:
2018-04-20T21:16:15Z webchat296: (defparameter *data* "really big data")
2018-04-20T21:16:18Z webchat296: (setf *image-entry-point* #'sb-impl::toplevel-init)
2018-04-20T21:16:22Z webchat296: (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die "./sayhello" :executable t)
2018-04-20T21:16:35Z jasom: One option I thought of would be to create a custom sbcl home, and put the init hook plus the image in the sbclrc there
2018-04-20T21:16:50Z webchat296: how do i set a image-restore-hook?
2018-04-20T21:16:55Z stassats: webchat296: why not just sb-ext:*init-hooks* ?
2018-04-20T21:17:22Z jasom: stassats: because we didn't know about those :)
2018-04-20T21:18:46Z jasom: stassats: thanks!
2018-04-20T21:19:25Z webchat296: stassats: great, thank you!
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2018-04-20T21:33:54Z pfdietz2:  *init-hooks* is described in the fine SBCL manual.
2018-04-20T21:36:41Z stassats: pfdietz2: who reads that
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2018-04-20T21:50:50Z pfdietz2: I do!
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2018-04-21T17:01:38Z slyrus_: morning
2018-04-21T17:02:36Z slyrus_: well, I'm trying to debug/clean up some of my old code that some other old code depends on... any suggestions on how to figure out why I get note about not being able to stack allocate certain variables?
2018-04-21T17:03:09Z phoe: slyrus_: which variables?
2018-04-21T17:03:12Z phoe: give us examples
2018-04-21T17:04:14Z slyrus_: startr and friends here: https://github.com/slyrus/clem/blob/fbe5a98be7cc980b0153621be3f6e1bf646bc16d/src/defmatrix.lisp#L72
2018-04-21T17:04:33Z slyrus_: there's a bunch of macro-hackery I wrote a long time ago
2018-04-21T17:05:17Z slyrus_: if I remove the with-map-range form everything's fine, but something in it is making it such that startr, etc... can't be stack allocated.
2018-04-21T17:09:26Z slyrus_: hmm... maybe this stuff is hopelessly busted.
2018-04-21T17:16:03Z phoe: slyrus_: give me that code but macroexpanded
2018-04-21T17:18:29Z slyrus_: it's big: https://gist.github.com/slyrus/c0ea2411242b42662bfea5eabfa708db
2018-04-21T17:19:06Z phoe: What exactly are the warnings that you get?
2018-04-21T17:21:28Z slyrus_: they're in a comment at the bottom of the gist
2018-04-21T17:21:46Z phoe: okay
2018-04-21T17:23:24Z phoe: I can't see any direct DECLARE DYNAMIC-EXTENT in there.
2018-04-21T17:23:35Z phoe: The only suspicious thing that I can see is (DECLARE (SB-PCL::%PARAMETER STARTC)) but it's suspicious because I do not know what it means.
2018-04-21T17:24:45Z slyrus_: Ok. I added in a bunch of declare dynamic-extent forms hoping to fix the problem, but sprinkling them around didn't seem to fix the problem.
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2018-04-21T17:38:03Z phoe: slyrus_: actually
2018-04-21T17:38:09Z phoe: are you only able to macroexpand WITH-MAP-RANGE?
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2018-04-21T17:38:20Z phoe: keeping the DEFMETHOD not expanded?
2018-04-21T17:38:33Z slyrus_: yeah, that's where the problem is. hang on.
2018-04-21T17:41:51Z slyrus_: ok, the relevant bits are in the gist now. I can keep going and macroexpanding, but I thought it might be helpful to see at this point first.
2018-04-21T17:42:49Z phoe: try compiling this macroexpanded code and tell me where exactly slime highlights the code when it emits the warning.
2018-04-21T17:44:50Z slyrus_: in the do forms
2018-04-21T17:45:14Z phoe: ooh, there are dynamic-extent calls there, yes
2018-04-21T17:45:34Z phoe: ...these don't align with the warnings that you get
2018-04-21T17:46:01Z phoe: the vars bound in DO are I and J, whereas the warnings are about STARTC, STARTR and such
2018-04-21T17:47:50Z phoe: huh, let's try it, because why not - if you try compiling the completely macroexpanded code, where are the warnings located?
2018-04-21T17:49:07Z slyrus_: see the gist. I think that's what you're asking for.
2018-04-21T17:52:50Z phoe: okay, the smallest test case I've found that seems to trigger this is (defun foo (startr endr) (do ((i startr (1+ i))) ((> i endr)) (declare (dynamic-extent i) (fixnum i))))
2018-04-21T18:01:12Z slyrus_: yeah, I was just looking at the do's. perhaps I should use loop.
2018-04-21T18:01:27Z slyrus_: so that seems like a bug in do, no?
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2018-04-21T18:05:44Z phoe: not really a bug
2018-04-21T18:08:02Z phoe: ...or is it
2018-04-21T18:09:23Z slyrus_: why shouldn't it be able to stack allocate startr?
2018-04-21T18:09:44Z phoe: you're trying to stack-allocate numbers it seems
2018-04-21T18:09:52Z slyrus_: hmm...
2018-04-21T18:10:22Z phoe: wait
2018-04-21T18:10:25Z phoe: this is weird.
2018-04-21T18:10:59Z phoe: in the FOO function, the current error is that it could not stack allocate #:G9 or something
2018-04-21T18:11:20Z phoe: but if I put (declare (fixnum startr endr)) in there, suddenly the warning turns into "could not stack-allocate STARTR"
2018-04-21T18:11:23Z phoe: confusing
2018-04-21T18:17:37Z slyrus_: using loop gives no errors and smaller code. see the example at the bottom of the gist.
2018-04-21T18:18:58Z phoe: actually
2018-04-21T18:20:49Z phoe: why are you trying to stack-allocate i?
2018-04-21T18:21:09Z phoe: it seems that it will be stack-allocated anyway since it's a fixnum
2018-04-21T18:23:17Z phoe: also http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Dynamic_002dextent-allocation does not show any support for stack-allocating numbers, so that warning might actually be legitimate
2018-04-21T18:26:25Z slyrus_: so which is it? it's stack-allocated or not :) removing the dynamic-extent declaration makes the warning go away.
2018-04-21T18:29:20Z slyrus_: hmm... looks like I must have discovered this once before as I have a #-sbcl before the dynamic-extent declaration in another macro a few lines down.
2018-04-21T18:30:50Z phoe: that's a good question
2018-04-21T18:31:02Z phoe: if it is stack-allocated or actually not really
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2018-04-21T18:51:07Z slyrus_: phoe: I filed a bug on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1766003
2018-04-21T18:55:38Z slyrus_: thanks for your help!
2018-04-21T18:56:46Z phoe: no problem
2018-04-21T18:57:23Z phoe: my instinct is that SBCL does not want to D-X numbers because fixnums can blow up into bignums which require consing at runtime
2018-04-21T18:57:40Z phoe: but this should not happen because your variable is declared to be a fixnum
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2018-04-21T21:38:33Z pfdietz: It could make sense to stack allocate bignums if you could bound their size.  Will SBCL do that?
2018-04-21T21:49:52Z phoe: pfdietz: according to the manual I don't think so
2018-04-21T21:50:04Z phoe: the manual does not mention any explicit support for D-X numbers.
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2018-04-21T22:31:15Z stassats: slyrus: i don't really understand your LOOP vs DO dichotomy, how are the two forms comparable? loop doesn't even allow you declare anything dynamic-extent
2018-04-21T22:31:30Z stassats: so the solution is: don't declare things dynamic-extent in the DO case, then it'll be like LOOP
2018-04-21T22:32:45Z stassats: phoe: you're putting too much trust in the manual
2018-04-21T22:32:58Z stassats: although your conclusion is correct
2018-04-21T22:34:41Z phoe: stassats: I don't trust it, I merely assume that it's correct and hope that if it isn't, someone'll point that out straight in my face
2018-04-21T22:35:19Z stassats: it can't be incorrect about something if it omits describing it
2018-04-21T22:36:24Z stassats: but i can probably easily find you several incorrect statements in the manual anyway
2018-04-21T22:36:52Z stassats: which can be inferred from the rate of changes to the manual: virtually zero
2018-04-21T22:36:55Z phoe: stassats: it does not explicitly list numbers as being D-Xable
2018-04-21T22:37:00Z phoe: therefore I assume they are not
2018-04-21T22:40:13Z stassats: phoe: "simple forms of make-array, whose result is bound to a variable declared dynamic-extent: stack allocation is possible only if the resulting array is known to be both simple and one-dimensional, and has a constant :element-type."
2018-04-21T22:40:14Z stassats: this is false
2018-04-21T22:40:28Z stassats: from the manual
2018-04-21T22:40:53Z phoe: I see.
2018-04-21T22:41:23Z stassats: (make-array '(1 1) :adjustable t) is happily stack allocated these days
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2018-04-23T11:14:13Z hastuur: lisp!! the power!
2018-04-23T11:14:30Z hastuur: anyone ever do like siag office in cl?
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2018-04-23T11:34:25Z scymtym_: hastuur: this channel is for discussing the SBCL implementation of Common Lisp (mostly among its developers). the #lisp channel is a better place for general Common Lisp discussions
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2018-04-23T11:47:26Z hastuur: they banned me
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2018-04-23T12:05:08Z phoe: I can imagine why
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2018-04-23T14:00:59Z newbie01: hi
2018-04-23T14:01:06Z newbie01 is now known as DemolitionMan
2018-04-23T14:01:08Z DemolitionMan: hi
2018-04-23T14:01:51Z DemolitionMan: please I installed the latest sbcl git, but I've got this error quickloading gsll: Value of STATIC-VECTORS::WIDETAG in (= WIDETAG SB-VM:SIMPLE-BASE-STRING-WIDETAG) is   NIL, not a   NUMBER.
2018-04-23T14:02:08Z DemolitionMan: I removed .cache/common-lisp
2018-04-23T14:02:12Z DemolitionMan: but the problem remained
2018-04-23T14:06:38Z DemolitionMan: :(
2018-04-23T14:07:45Z DemolitionMan: this broke my development system :)
2018-04-23T14:27:57Z DemolitionMan: any hints? Thanks!
2018-04-23T14:34:31Z phoe: DemolitionMan: got a whole stacktrace and (lisp-implementation-version)?
2018-04-23T14:35:13Z DemolitionMan: "1.4.6.139-b45cf9c72"
2018-04-23T14:39:30Z DemolitionMan: https://pastebin.com/eVeDdX2H
2018-04-23T14:39:37Z DemolitionMan: phoe: :)
2018-04-23T14:40:12Z DemolitionMan: I've deleted gsll and static-vectors directories under quicklisp installation
2018-04-23T14:40:17Z sjl__ is now known as sjl
2018-04-23T14:40:28Z DemolitionMan: and cleared the .cache/common-lisp directory
2018-04-23T14:41:44Z phoe: I have no idea what's going on. maybe someone else will know.
2018-04-23T14:41:50Z phoe: Does this work with a release version?
2018-04-23T14:42:09Z DemolitionMan: with the previous git
2018-04-23T14:42:25Z phoe: so it seems the commit broke something
2018-04-23T14:43:28Z phoe: which is weird, this commit only seems to affect warning emission
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2018-04-23T14:44:40Z DemolitionMan: "1.4.6.85-23e5171b7" <--- working release
2018-04-23T14:44:55Z DemolitionMan: sorry
2018-04-23T14:45:00Z DemolitionMan: not the previous
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2018-04-23T14:51:56Z DemolitionMan: phoe: any hints on my problem?
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2018-04-23T15:19:47Z stassats`: serve-event needs to be completely overhauled, especially its interaction with run-program
2018-04-23T15:20:57Z stassats`: maybe just starting with something new for run-program and then growing it to be a replacement of serve-event
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2018-04-23T15:33:25Z pfdietz: Seeing Jim Newton stressing subtypep makes me nervous, as it still has bugs.
2018-04-23T15:33:46Z pfdietz: lp 1694839
2018-04-23T15:33:46Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1694839
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2018-04-23T17:59:02Z DemolitionMan: hi
2018-04-23T17:59:08Z DemolitionMan: phoe, hi
2018-04-23T17:59:16Z phoe: DemolitionMan: hey
2018-04-23T17:59:32Z DemolitionMan: any hints for this? https://pastebin.com/eVeDdX2H
2018-04-23T17:59:34Z phoe: I have no new information - I don't know SBCL internals that much
2018-04-23T17:59:47Z DemolitionMan: ok
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2018-04-23T17:59:50Z DemolitionMan: thanks
2018-04-23T17:59:57Z DemolitionMan: stassats, hi
2018-04-23T18:00:22Z DemolitionMan: do you have any hints for this? https://pastebin.com/eVeDdX2H
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2018-04-23T23:53:17Z dougk__: static-vectors is naughty naughty.  It assumes that the function %VECTOR-WIDETAG-AND-N-BITS-SHIFT is in SB-IMPL which it no longer is.
2018-04-23T23:53:38Z dougk__: and not only that, has no way of catching its own error
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2018-04-24T00:12:51Z dougk__: DemolitionMan: i pushed a hack that will perhaps make the static-vectors system happy. did not actually test it
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2018-04-24T10:53:16Z DemolitionMan: hi
2018-04-24T10:53:24Z DemolitionMan: phoe: I solved the problem!
2018-04-24T10:53:43Z DemolitionMan: phoe: I reverted to the official source distribution, not the git one!
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2018-04-24T14:06:20Z phoe: DemolitionMan: good to hear!
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2018-04-24T20:03:33Z dougk_: DemolitionMan: can you retry building gsll again using sources from git? I think the static-vectors problem is fixed
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2018-04-24T20:25:05Z Xach: Hi friends. A lot of the failures on http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-04-24/failure-report.html relate to changes in the latest git version of sbcl. (a few don't, like gendl, cl-openid, and cl-sendmail)
2018-04-24T20:25:35Z Xach: Once more I'm faced with thinking about whether the libraries are doing naughty things or not. Any guidance would be quite welcome.
2018-04-24T20:26:39Z dougk_: holy cow that's a lot. And all different
2018-04-24T20:26:58Z DemolitionMan: dougk_: I have to install a git version for sbcl
2018-04-24T20:27:13Z Xach: dougk_: i suspect they trace back to a couple libraries
2018-04-24T20:27:32Z Xach: i think maybe hu.dwim.<something> is fussing with sbcl internals
2018-04-24T20:27:38Z Xach: and one of the shinmera libraries too
2018-04-24T20:28:04Z dougk_: oh ffs, people are calling %COMPILER-DEFUN directly ?
2018-04-24T20:28:34Z Xach: i think people who are willing to fix their stuff
2018-04-24T20:28:37Z dougk_: so of course adding another argument to that fails
2018-04-24T20:29:22Z Xach: like, i think people agree to the sbcl contract of "if you use internal stuff expect breakage" and are willing to risk it for stuff they can't do any other way
2018-04-24T20:30:14Z Xach: I think http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-04-24/failure-report/universal-config.html#universal-config hits another issue
2018-04-24T20:30:57Z Xach: (setf (row-major-aref o (sb-impl::%array-row-major-index o scr)) ...)
2018-04-24T20:31:05Z Shinmera: Oh boy I don't even remember why I did that
2018-04-24T20:31:22Z Xach:     ;; Wouldn't know any other way to setf subscripts at runtime.
2018-04-24T20:31:23Z dougk_: can you just use CL:row-major-aref ?
2018-04-24T20:31:52Z DemolitionMan: dougk_: is static-vectors corrected on quicklisp too?
2018-04-24T20:32:13Z dougk_: no, the "fix" [sic] is in SBCL. I restored the symbol that it expected to see
2018-04-24T20:32:14Z Xach: DemolitionMan: what's up with static-vectors?
2018-04-24T20:32:17Z Xach: ok
2018-04-24T20:32:18Z Shinmera: dougk_: Is (setf row-major-aref) a function?
2018-04-24T20:32:21Z dougk_: it is
2018-04-24T20:32:33Z Xach: row-major-aref is an accessor
2018-04-24T20:33:07Z Shinmera: Xach: I don't think that mandates (setf r-m-a) to be a function rather than a setf-expander.
2018-04-24T20:33:24Z dougk_: if you're asking if it specifically a function, the answer is still yes
2018-04-24T20:33:53Z Shinmera: I am, because in order to do what I seem to be doing there I'd have to apply it to "unroll" the list of subscripts.
2018-04-24T20:34:01Z Shinmera: I think?
2018-04-24T20:34:03Z dougk_: but i agree it is merely "a valid place for setf" in the spec
2018-04-24T20:34:04Z Shinmera: No wait I'm confused.
2018-04-24T20:34:14Z Xach: Shinmera: I don't know about the mandate
2018-04-24T20:35:00Z dougk_: oh, sorry, you're using row-major-index. i misread. you want to compute the index, i thought there was a standard thing for that
2018-04-24T20:35:19Z pkhuong: clhs a-r-m-i
2018-04-24T20:35:19Z specbot: array-row-major-index: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_ar_row.htm
2018-04-24T20:35:25Z dougk_: but you're just computing an index to use with row-major-aref so why can't you just apply ?
2018-04-24T20:35:48Z Shinmera: pkhuong: Well there we are then
2018-04-24T20:36:23Z Xach: like a one man a-r-m-i
2018-04-24T20:38:26Z Shinmera: Well, that should be fixed now.
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2018-04-24T20:41:47Z Xach: thanks!
2018-04-24T20:42:04Z Xach hopes for as speedy a fix for the hu.dwim.iverse
2018-04-24T20:42:24Z Xach: the hu.niverse?
2018-04-24T20:43:07Z DemolitionMan: dougk_: confirmed, bug was resolved, thanks
2018-04-24T20:43:16Z DemolitionMan: dougk_: I used the quicklisp version
2018-04-24T20:44:29Z DemolitionMan: dougk_: I need a working sbcl with gsll to use them with prometheus and grafana :)
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2018-04-24T20:45:38Z dougk_: Xach: any idea if the hungarians are aware of the misuse of %compiler-defun ?
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2018-04-24T20:47:48Z Xach: dougk_: i haven't brought it to their attention yet
2018-04-24T20:51:55Z DemolitionMan: Xach: was a problem with static-vectors and latest git sbcl
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2018-04-24T20:53:49Z dougk_: my fear is that the fix for %compiler-defun is to add a fourth arg to the call in the hu.whatever code, which kind of messes things up in a different way for something else I want to change. I feel I should write to them and ask why they need to call it
2018-04-24T20:54:47Z dougk_: I almost suspect that the effect of what they want is (proclaim '(ftype function yourname)) just to avoid an "undefined" warning or something
2018-04-24T20:58:54Z DemolitionMan: XachX: https://pastebin.com/eVeDdX2H
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2018-04-24T21:07:11Z Xach: yow
2018-04-24T21:07:43Z jeosol: I just posed a question over at #lisp channel but since it's sbcl specific, I figure this channel is more specific.
2018-04-24T21:09:09Z jeosol: basically, i have X threads performing some calculations, one of them acquires a lock on a resource and an error results while perform calculation and the lock is not released and the other threads wait. I run on the shell and would like to just kill that thread so the others can proceed
2018-04-24T21:09:16Z jeosol: perhaps I need to think about this differently.
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2018-04-24T21:12:33Z pkhuong: jeosol: use a call-with-foo wrapper to always release the lock when you unwind / return.
2018-04-24T21:13:13Z pkhuong: that still leaves you open to broken state invariants if you crash in the middle of a critical section.
2018-04-24T21:13:31Z pkhuong: so I'd also make sure your locked sections aren't too coarse.
2018-04-24T21:13:46Z pkhuong: none of this is SBCL, or even CL specific.
2018-04-24T21:15:15Z jeosol: thanks for the suggestions. What you are suggesting is to have some kind of combination of a wrapper and unwind-protect to ensure things are released in the event of an error?
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2018-04-24T21:16:42Z jeosol: Not sure by what you mean by SBCL or CL specific. The calculations are still being performed within CL/SBCL. It's just that in some instances, I get inconsistent arithmetic operations (.e.g, (/ 0 0)) and others I am still catching
2018-04-24T21:17:49Z DemolitionMan: XachX: wrong usage of sbcl internals???
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2018-04-24T21:20:06Z dougk_: jeosol: pkhuong means, I think, that it's not a good idea to expect that externally killing a thread that had a acquired a lock is either (1) possible at all; (2) going to release the lock; (3) not mess up invariants guarded by the lock; (4) going to anything sane whatsoever. Some combination of that.
2018-04-24T21:21:42Z jeosol: dougk_: thanks. I guess that is why I have not been able to resolve it when things stall. I will try to modify workflow to use the suggestion above.
2018-04-24T21:21:51Z dougk_: Xach: i'm able to compile hu.dwim.delico with a hack I just pushed; will write them an email
2018-04-24T21:23:15Z pkhuong: the immediate solution to the problem is to use (call-)with-foo; using scoped mutex locks is a standard good idea, not just in CL.
2018-04-24T21:23:30Z pkhuong: but that probably doesn't solve the real problem in all cases.
2018-04-24T21:24:38Z pkhuong: and the solution is to avoid (large) critical sections that can fail... which is also language-independent advice.
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2018-04-24T21:34:37Z jeosol: pkhoung: thanks for the suggestions. Did some quick googling and I understand better.
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2018-04-24T21:36:00Z jeosol: if anyone is interested on scoped locks I found this somewhat old paper (though in C++) http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/PDF/ScopedLocking.pdf
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2018-04-25T18:13:12Z dougk_: i don't understand how we test any of the non-gencgc platforms with reliability. 3 out of 5 builds crashes in read() on ppc, mips, arm due to lp# 1366263
2018-04-25T18:13:45Z dougk_: i must be extremely lucky
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2018-04-25T18:33:43Z scymtym: stassats: i think i found a regression caused by a69bae9ab9aac8ae4eef524d7bdfa91df496da7a (not (intersection-type-p type)) should be (not (intersection-type-p ctype)), right?
2018-04-25T18:37:07Z scymtym: well, not technically a regression. that commit landed shortly before the 1.4.6 release
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2018-04-26T07:24:04Z Xof: Well, someone who wrote error messages has a sense of humour
2018-04-26T07:24:34Z Xof: Nooooo!  <slot-value> accidentally invoked on #<STANDARD-METHOD-COMBINATION (no layout info)>
2018-04-26T07:24:42Z Xof: welcome back to PCL bootstrapping problems, I guess
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2018-04-26T11:01:57Z scymtym: Xof: what do you think about the problem i mentioned yesterday? should we treat it as a regression or not?
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2018-04-26T12:44:43Z Xof: if it's not a regression relative to 1.4.6, and no-one reported it this month, I think it can wait until after the release
2018-04-26T12:46:54Z scymtym: ok. an epic debugging journey lead me to its discovery, so yes, it is pretty subtle and unlikely to affect anybody else
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2018-04-26T12:52:40Z Xof: it's a nice one, and it maybe suggests that those predicates shouldn't be complete predicates, but only defined on CTYPE structures
2018-04-26T12:53:15Z Xof: i.e. the structure predicate should be (%intersection-type-p ...), and (defun intersection-type-p (x) (declare (type ctype x)) (%intersection-type-p x))
2018-04-26T12:53:51Z Xof: I also admire the (satisfies eval) type in one of pfdietz's latest bugs
2018-04-26T13:05:51Z scymtym: Xof: i had the same impression (regarding the predicates)
2018-04-26T13:06:02Z scymtym: must go now. ttyl
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2018-04-26T13:32:47Z pfdietz: I specfically added a (the (satisfies eval) ...) mutator because it was showing up in reduced test cases stassats was producing from the bug reports.
2018-04-26T13:34:38Z pfdietz: On my to-do list is expanding the random-type-prop tests to generate a wider variety of code, including such forms.
2018-04-26T13:36:49Z pfdietz: Those tests (1000+ of them) encode in a sort-of declarative form information about what valid inputs are to various lisp functions.  That should be useful for more that what's it's being used for right now.
2018-04-26T13:39:24Z pfdietz: I've been mining lambda expressions (and forms to make lambda expressions) from various lisp sources, as grist for mutation testing.
2018-04-26T13:39:38Z pfdietz: I don't want to define packages and such when doing that.
2018-04-26T13:40:08Z pfdietz: So, I hacked the SBCL reader to have an option so that if it finds an unknown package when parsing a symbol, it just puts t in the current package.
2018-04-26T13:40:14Z pfdietz: puts it
2018-04-26T13:42:00Z pfdietz: I'm getting about a 250K distinct lambdas from quicklisp, ansi-tests, various github repos, etc.
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2018-04-26T14:49:10Z dougk_: Xof: would be opposed to my pushing an improved fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1366263 without which it's not possible to even reliably run cheneygc? I think it's gotten worse somehow
2018-04-26T14:54:32Z Xof: is the "gotten worse" since 1.4.6?   If so, is it attributable to any particular change?
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2018-04-26T14:55:45Z Xof: the analysis in that bug is plausible, but it would be nice to know why it's suddenly worse
2018-04-26T14:55:48Z dougk_: dont know the timeframe, but i have near identical places at which failure occurs on both emulators and physical hardware
2018-04-26T14:56:17Z dougk_: on mips, ppc, and arm, each of which uses cheneygc
2018-04-26T14:56:29Z dougk_: point being, anyone using cheneygc can barely run at all, so it seems
2018-04-26T14:56:42Z Xof: If it's not new, I'd rather see the patch at the start of 1.4.7.x, unless it only touches cheneygc-only source
2018-04-26T14:56:43Z dougk_: ppc can opt in, i mean, to cheneygc.
2018-04-26T14:57:27Z Xof: (and even then, I'd like to think twice about committing during the freeze; the thought of possibly invalidating all the testing done so far is a bit miserable)
2018-04-26T14:57:53Z Xof: "there will be another release in a month"
2018-04-26T14:58:13Z Xof: I was singing the praises of this attitude to Ludovic Cortes at ELS; I'd quite like to act as if it is true :)
2018-04-26T15:01:00Z dougk_: so out of curiosity, why can an octet buffer straddle the unprotected/protected boundary?  i thought that the lowest protected page strictly bounds the range below which is in-use and above which is not-in-use ?
2018-04-26T15:01:07Z dougk_: but this is clearly not the case
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2018-04-26T15:19:35Z Xof: it boils down to without-gcing
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2018-04-26T16:33:27Z dougk_: well now, Alpha is busted and has been since late 2017
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2018-04-26T20:38:18Z phoe: the code walker in SBCL is very aggressive when macroexpanding. when I try to slime-macrostep the external DEFUN in the form (defun foo () (when nil (defun bar 2))) then I get thrown into the debugger.
2018-04-26T20:39:08Z phoe: I'd find it more convenient to be thrown into the debugger when the actually wrong form is attempted to be macrostepped - if I try to step into a complicated macro, I instantly get an error, instead of being able to expand the outer macro and try expanding inner ones to check for the exact location of the error.
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2018-04-27T08:42:18Z phoe: http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html is down.
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2018-04-27T08:42:56Z phoe: The page says to notify the site admins, and this is such a notification.
2018-04-27T08:47:35Z Shinmera: The "site admins" aren't SBCL maintainers, but *drumroll* sourceforge
2018-04-27T08:53:11Z phoe: woop
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2018-04-27T11:15:06Z pfdietz_: Looks up to me.
2018-04-27T11:15:31Z Shinmera: They fixed it since
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2018-04-27T12:29:50Z flip214: during ELS there was a lightning talk mentioning "disassemble all and reassemble via eg. GNU as".
2018-04-27T12:30:27Z flip214: How would I do that? Just looking at all FBOUND symbols isn't enough - I'd be missing anonymous functions, closures, and all the data structures.
2018-04-27T12:30:35Z flip214: can anybody enlight me, please?
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2018-04-27T12:36:14Z phoe: flip214: the slides are up, maybe they have some material
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2018-04-27T15:42:37Z Xof: flip214: I think "make shrinkwrap"
2018-04-27T15:42:57Z Xof: but it involves some build-time option
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2018-04-27T18:33:20Z flip214: make: *** No rule to make target 'shrinkwrap'.  Stop.
2018-04-27T18:33:54Z flip214: and I'd hope that it's possible to include some other systems, and a main function.... just like SAVE-IMAGE-AND-DIE
2018-04-27T18:34:03Z flip214: but thanks for the hints
2018-04-27T18:44:48Z flip214: oh, there's a shrinkwrap-sbcl: target in src/runtime
2018-04-27T18:47:31Z flip214: but the shrinkwrap-sbcl.s isn't really readable assembler
2018-04-27T18:48:33Z flip214: and the resulting binary just gives me CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 12054(tid 0x7ffff7fb8080):
2018-04-27T18:48:44Z flip214: b45cf9c72a1bc72119c7c7449cbe0166adfbb62a
2018-04-27T18:51:33Z flip214: https://pastebin.com/xc7cjTgM for a small example of the asm output
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2018-04-28T14:17:22Z scymtym: Xof: maybe the partial predicate could be called CTYPE-INTERSECTION-P
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2018-04-28T15:46:02Z Xof: I think it would still be quite easy to type TYPE-INTERSECTION-P by mistake
2018-04-28T15:46:18Z Xof: are there any points in the code where we use TYPE-INTERSECTION-P on non-ctype objects?
2018-04-28T15:48:25Z scymtym: i thought we only had INTERSECTION-TYPE-P
2018-04-28T15:51:24Z Xof: there, see how easily these things are confused?
2018-04-28T15:51:39Z Xof: I think my point is that we should probably never ever call the total predicate
2018-04-28T15:54:50Z scymtym: i understand. i thought that could be confusing because we would hijack the natural structure predicate name for something else
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2018-04-29T13:16:16Z Xof: today is a bad sourceforge day
2018-04-29T13:17:03Z Xof: oh well.  Since that's the last part of the release process, the only effect is that it doesn't print the instruction to myself to rebuild the documentation with modern texinfo
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2018-04-30T01:16:07Z pfdietz_: "Things it claims couldn't happen do happen."
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2018-04-30T05:47:40Z slyrus: dougk_: not sure if it matters but the "simplify the calling of the assembler hooks" commit increases the size of the core by ~300K on x86-64.
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2018-04-30T07:24:05Z scymtym: see https://ci.cor-lab.org/job/sbcl-master/featureset={default,fancy},label=ubuntu_trusty_{32,64}bit/plot/ for different configurations and platforms
2018-04-30T07:33:10Z flip214: scymtym: is there more history available than in this graph? Or is that purged when jenkins cleans up the jobs?
2018-04-30T07:35:01Z scymtym: flip214: the plot plugin just resets randomly for whatever reason
2018-04-30T07:35:25Z flip214: scymtym: ouch, I've had the same problem in my jenkins instance
2018-04-30T07:36:17Z flip214: it got so bad that I then resorted to plot myself (gnuplot) and write some HTML files, and had these displayed in jenkins (via a menu entry on the left)
2018-04-30T07:37:34Z scymtym: yeah, maybe i should just do that
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2018-04-30T09:50:48Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T09:50:48Z corci: Project sbcl-master » safepoints,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3305: FIXED in 42 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=safepoints,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3305/
2018-04-30T10:00:03Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T10:00:04Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3305: FIXED in 51 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3305/
2018-04-30T10:00:45Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T10:00:46Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fasteval,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3305: FIXED in 52 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fasteval,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3305/
2018-04-30T10:07:28Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T10:07:28Z corci: Project sbcl-master » default,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3305: FIXED in 58 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=default,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3305/
2018-04-30T10:07:40Z phoe: such a huge pile of good news
2018-04-30T10:08:19Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T10:08:20Z corci: Project sbcl-master » ccl,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3305: FIXED in 59 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=ccl,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3305/
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2018-04-30T10:38:45Z scymtym: only compensation for the preceding bad news, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation
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2018-04-30T13:20:40Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #2513: FAILURE in 10 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/2513/
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2018-04-30T14:08:05Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-04-30T14:08:06Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #2514: FIXED in 28 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/2514/
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