2018-02-01T00:01:55Z stylewarning: Would anybody consider implementing something which describes "in plain English" what the current compiler policy enables/disables?
2018-02-01T00:02:59Z stylewarning: like (describe-current-policy) might print that tail-call elimination is enabled, such and such info isn't saved, local variables names are saved, etc
2018-02-01T00:11:48Z scymtym: stylewarning: do you know about SB-EXT:DESCRIBE-COMPILER-POLICY?
2018-02-01T00:12:24Z stylewarning: No, this looks like a great start.
2018-02-01T00:12:31Z stylewarning: Maybe I can contribute to improving that.
2018-02-01T00:13:00Z scymtym: for the names listed there, you can do e.g. (describe 'sb-c::check-constant-modification)
2018-02-01T00:13:22Z stylewarning: scymtym: do the additional names listed actually cover most of the effects of the "basic" qualities?
2018-02-01T00:17:13Z scymtym: i think it lists all policies. "most of the effects" is probably not the case, though, since for example individual transforms can make policy-dependent decisions
2018-02-01T00:17:54Z stylewarning: Most of those are speed > * transforms, IIUC
2018-02-01T00:18:40Z scymtym: yeah, mostly speed vs space and speed vs safety
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2018-02-01T01:59:46Z pfdietz: Decided to try random testing on the latest snapshot of CMUCL.  Oh dear.
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2018-02-01T09:48:49Z flip214: Is there something like *AFTER-GC-HOOK* so that I can determine how much memory was being used? Or would I need some extra thread that monitors the process size for that?
2018-02-01T09:49:49Z flip214: basically, I'd like to take a look at space usage just before doing some clean-up (removing references, writing state out, etc.), to get some basic estimations
2018-02-01T09:50:09Z flip214: about # of objects that can be stored in the running instance before running OOM
2018-02-01T09:50:30Z scymtym: flip214: there is SB-EXT:*AFTER-GC-HOOKS*
2018-02-01T09:52:37Z flip214: scymtym: yes, I know.
2018-02-01T09:52:46Z flip214: something for *before* or even around?
2018-02-01T09:53:41Z scymtym: i see. not that i know of
2018-02-01T09:54:07Z scymtym: but how would that help if you want to measure before doing your own cleanup?
2018-02-01T09:56:32Z flip214: my idea was to get the _max_ memory usage
2018-02-01T09:57:29Z flip214: I can trigger manual GC, but not read memory usage before _automatic_ ones - which might be the more important GC runs
2018-02-01T09:58:27Z flip214: basically, I can read the process' size just before destroying a few references and running GC --
2018-02-01T09:58:47Z flip214: but that might not have been the maximum memory usage if the GC ran just before that
2018-02-01T09:59:26Z flip214: for estimating number of allowed objects I need to see the max usage, so I need some trigger just before GCing
2018-02-01T10:00:22Z flip214: of course I can estimate "heap / object-size" as well, but that doesn't take some things into account - like closures, short-lived allocations in the write-out path, sockets, files, ...
2018-02-01T10:01:17Z flip214: I thought I'll just do some logging like "before GC: ~d MB heap used, objects alive: ~d/~d~/~d" for the various mainly used classes
2018-02-01T10:01:33Z flip214: but perhaps there's a better idea?!
2018-02-01T10:02:23Z scymtym: maybe the gc log file mechanism has the information you want
2018-02-01T10:02:38Z flip214: I saw that in the manual, but didn't test it yet, right
2018-02-01T10:02:56Z flip214: I even thought of "reserving" say, 10MB, in some special variable
2018-02-01T10:03:21Z flip214: and if there's some way to get alerted about being "nearly OOM" I release that and disallow further object creation or so
2018-02-01T10:03:55Z flip214: but I didn't see some OOM-hook in the manual that I could use for that purpose
2018-02-01T10:07:05Z scymtym: for gencgc, whether the heap will be exhausted during the next garbage collection is very hard to predict in general. it depends on the distribution of objects across generations and the promotions during the gc
2018-02-01T10:10:05Z scymtym: flip214: if you want monitoring, maybe have a look at something like https://github.com/deadtrickster/prometheus.cl
2018-02-01T10:10:06Z flip214: one more reason to record real-world numbers.... perhaps some heuristic is good-enough.
2018-02-01T10:11:06Z flip214: scymtym: hey, that's cool! thanks a lot!
2018-02-01T10:12:40Z flip214: and already in QL. Perfect!
2018-02-01T10:14:13Z flip214: that does not (yet) have some hook to return (eg. an alist) or arbitrary application-specific counters or values, right?
2018-02-01T10:14:42Z flip214: #:make-appl-collector   ;)
2018-02-01T10:39:08Z Xof: pfdietz: bring on the Schadenfreude!
2018-02-01T10:39:26Z Xof: mind you I see they have a fancy new random number generator
2018-02-01T10:39:42Z Xof weeps at his almost-complete random state protocol
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2018-02-01T14:29:17Z pfdietz: It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
2018-02-01T14:33:21Z stassats: -sb-dynamic-core builds are hosed
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2018-02-01T17:59:49Z Mqrius: Is a word type in sbcl always the same amount of bits as an unsigned long? Both can vary per platform as far as I understand. I'll assume @stassats knows what he's doing - the full general structure isn't clear to me. All I know is that unsigned long is at least 32 bits on any system, but I guess as long as a word is at least 32 bits on any system as well it should work. I'm a little uncertain since a word is occasionally described as 16
2018-02-01T17:59:49Z Mqrius: bits. But maybe that doesn't matter since ioctl requests are by necessity limited to the processor's word size or something? I'm missing a lot of big-picture/background knowledge. (This is in relation to https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1746619)
2018-02-01T18:00:21Z stassats: Mqrius: yes, but not on windows
2018-02-01T18:00:48Z Mqrius: Fair enough.
2018-02-01T18:01:06Z stassats: and ioctl is #-win32
2018-02-01T18:01:13Z Mqrius: Yeah
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2018-02-01T22:37:47Z dougk: stassats: any chance you could test #+(and relocatable-heap win32)?  I'd like to remove some #ifdefs, especially if #+(and cheneygc relocatable-heap) can be made to work
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2018-02-01T23:10:07Z _death: hmm, (let ((x (make-array 5 :adjustable t :fill-pointer 0 :element-type 'simple-string))) (declare (ignore x))) gives a warning about default initial element 0..
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2018-02-01T23:14:41Z emaczen: how can I determine the size of an object?
2018-02-01T23:14:53Z emaczen: in bytes I guess?
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2018-02-02T00:01:32Z scymtym: _death: is this with master? there have been some changes in that area
2018-02-02T00:01:57Z scymtym: emaczen: a function SB-INTROSPECT:OBJECT-SIZE has been added very recently
2018-02-02T00:02:38Z _death: scymtym: this is 1.4.3.281-e8edbbe47
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2018-02-02T00:04:15Z _death: or, well, you can think of it as b7f7daf
2018-02-02T00:04:41Z scymtym: _death: probably still in master, then. thanks. i will try to reproduce with master
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2018-02-02T00:17:13Z scymtym: _death: master still has the problem. i could have sworn this exact problem had been fixed some time ago
2018-02-02T00:18:30Z _death: did it have a test?
2018-02-02T00:20:04Z scymtym: yes. in fact, the test asserts exactly this behavior
2018-02-02T00:20:34Z _death: hmm
2018-02-02T00:21:23Z scymtym: well, not exactly. the test does not have :fill-pointer 0
2018-02-02T00:23:25Z _death: still warns though
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2018-02-02T00:27:40Z scymtym: _death: i'm not sure what the correct behavior would be. will try to find something in the spec tomorrow
2018-02-02T00:28:03Z _death: alright, thanks :)
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2018-02-02T03:26:06Z borei: hi all
2018-02-02T03:27:11Z borei: i have some question(s) about code optimization
2018-02-02T03:27:40Z borei: im working on linear algebra library and of cause biggest question is matrix multiplication
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2018-02-02T04:59:46Z borei: i did some optimization for the function - https://pastebin.com/iL3c2JT2
2018-02-02T04:59:53Z borei: but getting the following:
2018-02-02T05:00:22Z borei: https://pastebin.com/11AzyWeU
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2018-02-02T12:46:45Z scymtym: re _death's example: should we only warn if the default initial element is not of the /upgraded/ element type?
2018-02-02T12:47:47Z stassats: no
2018-02-02T12:49:02Z scymtym: stassats: can you elaborate?
2018-02-02T12:49:35Z stassats: scymtym: well, you want to put simple-strings into an array and then putting zeros into it
2018-02-02T12:51:12Z stassats: dougk: last time i've tried it failed horribly
2018-02-02T12:53:35Z scymtym: i understand that argument. it only applies if the caller intends to read from the array before writing to it, though. _death's example has :fill-pointer 0 which may indicate that they want an "uninitialized" array and plan to write elements before reading them
2018-02-02T12:54:33Z stassats: well, then just don't specify element-type
2018-02-02T12:54:47Z scymtym: on the other hand (make-array … :initial-element (load-time-value MAKE-UNINITIALIZED-VALUE)) seems like a reasonably efficient way to get an "uninitialized" array and avoid the warning
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2018-02-02T13:16:23Z phoe: "Proclaiming SB!INT:TWO-ARG-CHAR-EQUAL to be INLINE, but 1 call to it was previously compiled."
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2018-02-02T13:18:22Z phoe: So if I understand this correctly, the function in question was used somewhere before the appropriate DECLAIM happened.
2018-02-02T13:19:47Z phoe: Why was there no warning about using an undefined function earlier, then? Or are style-warnings like that ignored during compilation?
2018-02-02T13:21:50Z nyef: phoe: Would the previous use be in the same file?
2018-02-02T13:22:01Z nyef: I think that there's some rule about that somewhere.
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2018-02-02T13:28:56Z phoe: https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/15a26cf1e2e15e77ae2c9a49edcccafbcda723a6/
2018-02-02T13:29:02Z phoe: that's the commit mentioned by the failed Jenkins job.
2018-02-02T13:29:48Z stassats: sorry you did all the digging for nothing...
2018-02-02T13:29:56Z phoe: of course I did it for something
2018-02-02T13:30:12Z phoe: I'm learning how to use the new sourceforge
2018-02-02T13:30:37Z phoe: and taking another step at understanding SBCL internals
2018-02-02T13:31:30Z stassats: so, what have you learned from this?
2018-02-02T13:32:00Z phoe: how to navigate sourceforge's gitweb
2018-02-02T13:32:05Z stassats: i have learned that my build host didn't complain, inexplicably
2018-02-02T13:32:36Z stassats: phoe: so, you enjoy being tortured?
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2018-02-02T13:36:14Z stassats: and i need a new declaration, record-source-for-inline
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2018-02-02T13:53:26Z nyef: stassats: As opposed to INLINE before the definition and NOTINLINE after?
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2018-02-02T13:53:41Z stassats: nyef: yes
2018-02-02T13:54:33Z scymtym: don't we have MAYBE-INLINE for that?
2018-02-02T13:54:40Z stassats: not really
2018-02-02T13:55:05Z stassats: neither work, so, a third function that is inlined comes into play
2018-02-02T13:55:26Z stassats: third, because char-equal => two-arg-char-equal => two-arg-char-equal-inline
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2018-02-02T14:24:59Z scymtym: dougk: are you already working on resolving the sc-offset confusion? i'm currently investigating the performance implications of the sc-locations-as-bitset idea
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2018-02-02T14:53:04Z stassats: ok, win32-os.c just doesn't know how to handle immobile space faults
2018-02-02T14:53:20Z stassats: except, when i teach it, it starts spinning somewhere
2018-02-02T14:53:53Z stassats: and i have no idea what this branch is doing https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/runtime/win32-os.c#L1221
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2018-02-02T14:56:25Z stassats: something important, evidently
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2018-02-02T15:19:13Z stassats: it's spinning in alloc_immobile_obj
2018-02-02T15:19:20Z stassats: in while (obj_ptr <= limit) {
2018-02-02T15:20:20Z stassats: because the requested size is 0
2018-02-02T15:21:01Z stassats: while the first request on linux is 6
2018-02-02T15:21:37Z stassats: coming from alloc-immobile-trampoline
2018-02-02T15:22:30Z stassats: no idea what calls alloc_fixedobj on win32, since the ldb backtrace doesn't work
2018-02-02T15:25:06Z stassats: sure, a different c cc
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2018-02-02T15:48:58Z stassats: that resolved, still doesn't work
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2018-02-02T15:56:44Z dougk: stassats: i think i'd like to remove the :relocatable-heap from *features* and just make it the same as ifndef win32.  But I would have thought that #+(and relocatable-heap (not immobile-space)) would work.  Do you have opinions on this?  fewer features = better.
2018-02-02T15:57:27Z dougk: scymtym: i've done all i care to do as far as renaming sc to storage-class and renaming get-sc-name which really meant get-tn-name
2018-02-02T15:57:50Z stassats: dougk: i haven't tried immobile-space-less relocatable-heap
2018-02-02T15:59:06Z scymtym: dougk: ok. would you still care to take a look when i have a working draft?
2018-02-02T16:01:21Z dougk: scymtym: sure
2018-02-02T16:01:53Z stassats: dougk: immobile-card-bytes is 4096, how does that square with backend-page-bytes being 32K?
2018-02-02T16:03:16Z dougk: the immobile cards are managed at a finer granularity which is fine as far as the OS is concerned.  core file reading/writing still assumes 32k which is also ok.
2018-02-02T16:04:02Z stassats: relocatable-heap alone doesn't work either, fails somewhere in map-allocated-objects in make-target-2-load
2018-02-02T16:04:26Z stassats: dougk: does os_protect(PTR_ALIGN_DOWN(fault_addr, IMMOBILE_CARD_BYTES), IMMOBILE_CARD_BYTES, OS_VM_PROT_ALL); still work?
2018-02-02T16:05:49Z dougk: sure, it's a completely separate mapping, and immobile_card_bytes is the real system page size on linux-x86-64
2018-02-02T16:06:20Z stassats: well, win32 has 64K pages
2018-02-02T16:06:44Z dougk: well then
2018-02-02T16:06:45Z stassats: and backend-page-bytes is 32K because somewhere it's not 4K
2018-02-02T16:06:55Z stassats: on -win32
2018-02-02T16:06:56Z dougk: i'd still like to remove the relocatable-heap as a thing. it should always be that
2018-02-02T16:07:36Z dougk: so the question is what is the minimal change to remove one permutation of stuff to test, i.e. get relocatable-heap working
2018-02-02T16:08:26Z stassats: how can relocatable-heap make map-allocated-objects in make-target-2-load fail?
2018-02-02T16:08:43Z stassats: on (reconstitute-object 0)
2018-02-02T16:10:08Z dougk: and is it even relocating anything? can find out changing #define SHOW_SPACE_RELOCATION 0 to 1
2018-02-02T16:10:24Z stassats: and removing it doesn't help, it fails in map-allocated-objects called by save-lisp-and-die
2018-02-02T16:12:08Z stassats: dougk: nothing is printed
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2018-02-02T16:18:35Z stassats: +backend-page-bytes+ was changed from 4K to 32K without actually any reason other than reducing the number of mappings
2018-02-02T16:18:48Z stassats: shouldn't gencgc-card-bytes be changed instead?
2018-02-02T16:20:43Z dougk: they're essentially the same thing for gencgc. but yes, in theory (an unrelated to immobile-space), the correct change would have been for backend-page-bytes to reflect the underlying system, and gencgc-card-bytes to be *our* desired granularity
2018-02-02T16:21:30Z dougk: an the immobile cards are smaller because the space is smaller, so we might as well use the finest granularity the OS can provide, at least until i change it to software marking
2018-02-02T16:26:07Z dougk: stassats: do you know if arm32 ever compiled with cheneygc?  src/cold/shared has it in the whitelist of permissible combinations, but it doesn't build. pseudo-atomic.h refers to do_pending_interrupt
2018-02-02T16:26:20Z dougk: but i don't think we use do_pending_interrupt for cheneygc
2018-02-02T16:27:08Z nyef: dougk: The 32-bit ARM port was originally developed with cheneygc. IIRC, stassats did the gencgc conversion for it.
2018-02-02T16:27:45Z dougk: i wonder how far back i need to go to get it to compile. i just want to make sure relocatable-heap works with at least one platform besides ppc
2018-02-02T16:27:45Z stassats: dougk: it did originally, but i haven't bothered checking it ever again
2018-02-02T16:28:21Z dougk: i somewhat inadvertently made it not possible to compile #+(and cheneygc (not relocatable-heap)).  I didnt mean to, but I did, and I'm fine with that as long as it all works
2018-02-02T16:28:26Z dougk: and I really want to remove the choice
2018-02-02T16:28:46Z dougk: i.e. i'm fine with mandating relocatable-heap, but i can't compile on any other cheneygc platform
2018-02-02T16:29:15Z stassats: will mips do?
2018-02-02T16:29:34Z dougk: i can fire up an emulator, sure
2018-02-02T16:29:56Z stassats: i have a real one
2018-02-02T16:30:52Z dougk: actually it looks like i have access
2018-02-02T16:30:59Z dougk: can mips64 compile for mips32 ?
2018-02-02T16:31:11Z stassats: yes
2018-02-02T16:31:16Z dougk: great, then i have
2018-02-02T16:33:20Z nyef: For more fun, do big-endian MIPS. d-:
2018-02-02T16:36:59Z stassats: os_validate returns the same addr it's passed on win32
2018-02-02T16:37:02Z stassats: maybe that's the problem
2018-02-02T16:41:02Z stassats: now it fails in remap_free_pages: page moved 2cf => 0
2018-02-02T16:41:48Z stassats: 2cf is clearly wrong?
2018-02-02T16:42:47Z stassats: put %p in, still 2cf
2018-02-02T16:44:02Z stassats: but 0 means it failed
2018-02-02T16:45:07Z stassats: ok, 2cf is the page index, but 0 is the page address
2018-02-02T16:48:40Z stassats: removed some wine bullshit
2018-02-02T16:49:01Z oleo: evening
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2018-02-02T16:55:03Z stassats: still doesn't work
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2018-02-02T17:09:07Z stassats: pushing immobile-space changes and giving up
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2018-02-02T17:43:25Z dougk: %DEFSTRUCT-PACKAGE-LOCKS gets "caught WARNING: The variable CTOR is defined but never used." if package locks are disabled. Do we *really* need to give a choice of whether the build without package locks any more?
2018-02-02T17:44:32Z stassats: no
2018-02-02T17:45:46Z dougk: i think i'll yank out the reader conditionals
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2018-02-02T17:54:50Z stassats: dougk: just don't remove :sb-package-locks from *features*
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2018-02-02T18:02:12Z dougk: so this mips machine, it gives me in warm load "The value (PPRINT-POP)" is not of type LIST" and then "failed AVER: (NULL (SB-C::FUNCTIONAL-ENTRY-FUN SB-C::LEAF))"
2018-02-02T18:02:28Z dougk: is that about how well it's expected to work?
2018-02-02T18:02:41Z stassats: no, it's expected to actually work
2018-02-02T18:03:12Z dougk: hmmm. well this definitely has nothing to do with anything i changed, in as much as it starts up.
2018-02-02T18:04:21Z dougk: but it fails to compile warm-error.lisp.  heap relocation (which didn't need to occur) causes catastrophic failures when it fails
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2018-02-02T18:09:15Z nyef: Odd...  I had MIPS building (limping along, but building) last month.
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2018-02-02T18:11:37Z nyef: ... Actually, IIRC, I was cursing because someone managed to break lisp-side interrupt context handling on big-endian systems that have 64-bit register slots in their contexts even on 32-bit userlands.
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2018-02-02T18:22:13Z nyef: (Yes, that's a very specific weird case. Yes, the only known system to be affected is Linux/MIPS. But I'd already fixed it once, and left a comment about it so that anyone looking would know that something was up.)
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2018-02-02T19:46:23Z stassats: i built mips-le with no problems
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2018-02-02T21:20:29Z dougk: nyef: is your change "debug-int: :ALPHA conditional reduction" meant to imply that you're actually able to build on Alpha at the moment?  I get instant segfault using qemu. trying to bisect
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2018-02-02T21:26:29Z stassats: be fails with   unknown SC to SC-CASE for #<SB-C:TN t1[OCFP] :NORMAL>: SB-VM::DESCRIPTOR-REG
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2018-02-02T21:32:17Z stassats: coming from maybe-load-stack-tn? yet it has descriptor-reg
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2018-02-02T21:35:26Z stassats: does not make any sense
2018-02-02T21:37:16Z dougk: i've narrowed down the Alpha segfault down to something from Oct 28th to Oct 30th. all culprit changes are from stassats
2018-02-02T21:44:02Z stassats: i can only chalk maybe-load-stack-tn not recognizing descriptor-reg up to miscompilation
2018-02-02T21:46:25Z dougk: i'll tell you what else doesn't make sense. The Alpha segfault first occurs in this - https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/8925131432aee7e6b74c665d3de118ed1689dad6 - which shouldn't be backend-specific
2018-02-02T21:46:42Z dougk: in order to build, it needs the change 2 revs later which is "missing IGNORABLE"
2018-02-02T21:47:06Z stassats: it could have rearranged things to make them to fault
2018-02-02T21:48:41Z stassats: (disassemble (vop-info-generator-function (template-or-lose 'known-return))) is 2580 on mips
2018-02-02T21:48:51Z dougk: well in my quest to show that some architecture builds with cheney other than PPC, i got nothing. I have to push the change anyway, or else fix the part where DYNAMIC_0_SPACE is no longer a #define if not relocatable heap.
2018-02-02T21:49:06Z stassats: dougk: mips-le builds fine
2018-02-02T21:49:14Z stassats: with --with-relocatable-heap
2018-02-02T21:49:43Z dougk: hmm. ok. the mips machine i have access to is big-endian, i'll try qemu for le.
2018-02-02T21:50:29Z dougk: oh, great, i don't even need to try. thanks!
2018-02-02T21:51:34Z stassats: i wonder how large known-return is on le
2018-02-02T21:52:10Z stassats: 2580 as well, so that's normal
2018-02-02T21:52:13Z stassats: "normal|
2018-02-02T21:52:14Z stassats: "
2018-02-02T21:52:31Z stassats: for some reason it has lots of UNBOUND-SYMBOL-ERROR
2018-02-02T21:52:57Z stassats: for ocfp
2018-02-02T21:52:59Z stassats: is ocfp special?
2018-02-02T21:54:05Z stassats: or that's just a register, i think ...-tn are special
2018-02-02T21:55:52Z stassats: ok, defparameter on mips, defglobal on x86-64
2018-02-02T21:56:19Z stassats: why not constant?
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2018-02-02T21:58:15Z stassats: ok, i don't care that much about mips
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2018-02-03T05:00:59Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
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2018-02-03T09:36:54Z oleo: or safepoints an alternative to threads ?
2018-02-03T09:37:02Z oleo: what does :fancy do normally ?
2018-02-03T09:37:13Z oleo: threads or safepoints or both ?
2018-02-03T09:37:33Z oleo: s/first or/are/
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2018-02-03T12:39:41Z scymtym: oleo: --fancy includes nice-to-have features that are not strictly necessary. safepoints are an alternative way of interrupting threads (the usual way being UNIX signals)
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2018-02-03T13:32:32Z oleo: ya but is the code out there in the libraries fit for safepoints too ?
2018-02-03T13:33:53Z scymtym: safepoints or not should be of no concern for libraries but SBCL itself is not fit for safepoints
2018-02-03T13:34:39Z oleo: ok thank you
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2018-02-03T13:41:12Z phf: hello, would this be a bug in the loop facility? acl behaves the same way though, but i noticed it because cumcl doesn't, which means it was changed at some point, but it seems to go against hyperspec
2018-02-03T13:41:28Z phf: (loop initially (princ 'a) for foo = (princ 'b) while nil)
2018-02-03T13:41:49Z phf: outputs AB, on cmucl it outputs BA
2018-02-03T13:42:17Z phf: hyperspec says that initially runs before everything else "except for initial settings supplied by constructs with, for, or as. "
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2018-02-03T13:51:35Z oleo: what does initial settings supplied by constructs mean ?
2018-02-03T13:52:18Z oleo: for foo = (princ 'b) is that an initial setting ?
2018-02-03T13:53:05Z phf: unfortunately hyperspec doesn't keep the wording consistent, but indirectly it seems to be the case
2018-02-03T13:53:25Z phf: in the specific case "subclause the for or as construct initializes the variable var by setting it to the result of evaluating form1 on the first iteration"
2018-02-03T13:53:53Z phf: there's also no other kind of initialization possible happening in the for = clause
2018-02-03T13:55:13Z oleo: hmm, i also tried (loop for foo = (princ 'b) initially (princ 'a) while nil) -> AB
2018-02-03T13:55:43Z oleo: on sbcl too
2018-02-03T13:57:22Z phf: comrade stalin clarifies further, "the collected code is executed once in the loop prologue after any implicit variable initializations"
2018-02-03T13:59:19Z oleo: and (loop for foo = (princ 'a) initially (princ 'b) while nil) -> BA
2018-02-03T13:59:34Z oleo: so it seems initially is always first
2018-02-03T13:59:49Z oleo: and that "for" is not interpreted as an initiall setting
2018-02-03T14:00:34Z phf: that's not what the spec says. what i'm curious though is that the behavior was different in cmucl so there was a concious change at some point, i guess i'll try and track it down, or wait till whoever did it comments
2018-02-03T14:02:37Z oleo: ya so in the first iteration while it is being evaluated initially is already doing it's thing
2018-02-03T14:02:48Z oleo: so initial wins
2018-02-03T14:03:28Z phf: oh, so i finally hit google, and it's a confirmed but unresolved bug from 2008 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/309095
2018-02-03T14:08:50Z oleo: hmm, the patch hinders the post-cross-compiler it seems
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2018-02-03T14:40:06Z oleo: that's very old fix even phf
2018-02-03T14:40:20Z oleo: the new code in loop.lisp looks already very different
2018-02-03T14:42:27Z oleo: gen-loop-body and loop-translate etc...
2018-02-03T14:44:51Z phf: right, i figured that's not even a fix at all, mostly just pointing that the bug is known, but not particularly important
2018-02-03T14:46:13Z phf: the code that i'm exploring though ~relies~ on the incorrect behavior, so it's trivial to fix by simply moving the form out of initially and placing it before loop
2018-02-03T14:46:47Z phf: it took me a while to figure out why it was broken on cmucl though
2018-02-03T14:48:30Z oleo: welp, did you fix it now ?
2018-02-03T14:49:42Z phf: well, the fixed the code, i didn't fix sbcl's behavior :>
2018-02-03T14:49:46Z phf: *i fixed
2018-02-03T14:49:59Z oleo: hmm, i don't get that all, prologue, rbefore, loop-body, main-body, rafter, epilogue
2018-02-03T14:53:08Z oleo: is it the ansi-loop version even ?
2018-02-03T14:57:09Z phf: well, it's a cmucl derivative, which in turn is mit loop, which in turn was updated to ansi in 1986 or so. i recognize the defstructs (i've not read sbcl's loop before), but i know that loops tend to have extension facilities also, so there might be a bunch of stuff that looks completely non-standard
2018-02-03T14:57:34Z phf: but prelude also mentions "making it work with sbcl's bootstrap" which i don't have any knowledge of
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2018-02-03T15:12:37Z phf: i think loop-ansi-for-equals should be push'ing to prelude and so does loop-do-with
2018-02-03T15:13:31Z phf: but then prelude still needs to be explicitly ordered?..
2018-02-03T15:14:36Z phf: err not prelude, "prologue"
2018-02-03T15:21:37Z phf: oh, i was wrong! this bug was in mit loop, which explains why acl has it too. rtoy fixed it in sbcl in 2004
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2018-02-03T15:24:09Z phf: so the patch that i posted reverses gen-loop-body, the code is still there it just changed a bit
2018-02-03T15:24:30Z phf: but rtoy made a bunch of other small modifications that i don't grok yet..
2018-02-03T15:25:26Z phf: *rtoy fixed it in cmucl of course
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2018-02-03T15:34:32Z phf: hmm, i don't think this x60 like building sbcl.
2018-02-03T16:17:19Z phf: hmm, so it does run into cross-compilation issue, oddly enough, and presumably on hitting first (loop for foo across ...) it fails with SB!KERNEL:DATA-VECTOR-REF-WITH-OFFSET is undefined
2018-02-03T16:18:37Z phf: but that functions is part of array access functionality, so it shouldn't really be affected by the order of clauses in a loop macro, so perhaps some meta trickery going on
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2018-02-03T16:31:00Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #2960: FIXED in 21 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/2960/
2018-02-03T16:45:45Z scymtym: dougk: draft for sc-offset cleanup and bitset representation is here: https://github.com/scymtym/sbcl/compare/wip-bitset-sc-locations~3...wip-bitset-sc-locations . for compiling ironclad, the savings seem to be 2-4 % runtime and ~ 5 consing
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2018-02-03T16:49:17Z phf: i have the following patch to sbcl's loop facility, which results in an exception during compilation. both the patch and the exception are here http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UYo6o/?raw=true i would appreciate any insight into what's going on
2018-02-03T16:50:30Z phf: specifically the patch rearranges the order of forms in the loop macro, so i'm confused why it would result in an undefined array.lisp function exception
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2018-02-03T17:04:41Z stassats: phf: the first thing that jumps at me "/root/". why?
2018-02-03T17:05:28Z phf: stassats: oh it's just a hack, i'm working on an x60 laptop, and i don't have sbcl on easily accessible server machines, so i spun up a digitalocean instance
2018-02-03T17:06:17Z stassats: but the issue is obvious, the error message is actually telling everything
2018-02-03T17:07:19Z phf: and the moon rebooted the machine and the machine worked
2018-02-03T17:07:30Z phf: *then
2018-02-03T17:09:15Z phf: so as i understand: loop macro is doing aref, and aref is in turn doing data-vector-ref in turn data-vector-ref-with-offset
2018-02-03T17:09:54Z stassats: FOR preceding INITIALLY is excitingly stupid
2018-02-03T17:10:33Z stassats: exceedingly
2018-02-03T17:11:05Z phf: i can't help you with that, it's in the spec, but whether or not you will accept the patch, i still would like to understand why it doesn't work
2018-02-03T17:11:07Z stassats: then again, i have never used initially
2018-02-03T17:11:19Z stassats: so, if you want to change the way loop works, do that only in the presence of INITIALLY
2018-02-03T17:11:20Z phf: nor have i! nor do i have any attachments about it!
2018-02-03T17:11:22Z stassats: then nothing will break
2018-02-03T17:12:12Z stassats: phf: just look at the error "Lisp error during constant folding:"
2018-02-03T17:12:17Z stassats: so, things are constant
2018-02-03T17:12:26Z stassats: looking up, it's (aref vector 0)
2018-02-03T17:12:49Z phf: oh jeez, enough enough, that was dumb of me, let me work some more
2018-02-03T17:13:32Z stassats: and if initial value and step are split, that means the code is duplicated, which is not very good
2018-02-03T17:13:47Z stassats: i wouldn't mind for that to happen only in the presence of initially, though
2018-02-03T17:14:33Z phf: ok got it
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2018-02-03T19:00:06Z trittweiler: stassats, swank/sbcl.lisp uses swank:*communication-style* and swank:*swank-debugger-condition*, both which are declared in swank.lisp which is loaded after swank/sbcl.lisp, though.
2018-02-03T19:00:53Z stassats: trittweiler: does it cause any problems?
2018-02-03T19:01:11Z stassats: if not, then i don't really care
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2018-02-04T02:45:51Z dougk_: happens during self-build, doesn't croak, generates correct code
2018-02-04T02:47:54Z dougk_: might be PEBKAC error
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2018-02-05T00:55:24Z billitch: hi
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2018-02-05T00:56:21Z billitch: i'm trying to remove stream handling in sbcl, has it been done already ?
2018-02-05T00:57:09Z billitch: remove / rewrite stream classes
2018-02-05T00:57:26Z billitch: I'm not OK with Common Lisp streams.
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2018-02-05T01:03:45Z billitch: I'm trying to replace them with http://github.com/cl-stream/cl-stream/
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2018-02-05T01:05:20Z billitch: Any advice ?
2018-02-05T01:07:37Z pfdietz: Don't?
2018-02-05T01:07:54Z billitch: I'm not taking them away ;)
2018-02-05T01:08:18Z billitch: pfdietz: I need non-blocking I/O
2018-02-05T01:09:37Z billitch: I can have ansi cl streams on top of cl-stream
2018-02-05T01:10:27Z billitch: but the api is unusable for non-blocking i/o
2018-02-05T01:10:38Z pfdietz: So add a new api, don't remove the old one.
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2018-02-05T01:11:30Z billitch: pfdietz: yes but then the sbcl reader reads stdin instead of me
2018-02-05T01:11:44Z billitch: into *standard-input*
2018-02-05T01:12:18Z billitch: i would disable the standard stream instances and keep the file descriptors open
2018-02-05T01:12:29Z billitch: i don't know how to do that yet
2018-02-05T01:13:08Z billitch: that would be updating the reader's stream function call sites
2018-02-05T01:13:17Z billitch: i guess
2018-02-05T01:14:17Z billitch: maybe i'll just be better off with a portable reader ?
2018-02-05T01:14:36Z billitch: is there anything specific with the sbcl reader ?
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2018-02-05T08:12:55Z jackdaniel: billitch: just define gray stream and replace *standard-input* and others
2018-02-05T08:13:07Z jackdaniel: that's what slime does for instance
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2018-02-05T18:59:38Z billitch: jackdaniel: that won't be enough, I want to prevent sbcl from read'ing on FD 0
2018-02-05T19:00:10Z billitch: I'm thinking dup2 right now
2018-02-05T19:00:12Z stassats: huh?
2018-02-05T19:01:10Z billitch: I'm trying to call read(2) on fd 0
2018-02-05T19:01:22Z billitch: and it hangs because the reader already gets it
2018-02-05T19:01:51Z stassats: don't have a reader
2018-02-05T19:01:55Z billitch: question is : is there a way to keep the lisp image running without the repl ?
2018-02-05T19:02:03Z stassats: yes
2018-02-05T19:02:12Z stassats: save-lisp-and-die
2018-02-05T19:04:29Z stassats: option b) don't return to the repl
2018-02-05T19:05:11Z billitch: option b does not work : read does not return
2018-02-05T19:05:48Z stassats: what do you mean, does not return?
2018-02-05T19:06:16Z stassats: anyhow, (sb-posix:read 0 (sb-sys:vector-sap (make-array 10 :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8))) 10) works fine here
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2018-02-05T19:06:59Z stassats: option c) --load which does not return
2018-02-05T19:07:06Z stassats: d) --eval that does not return
2018-02-05T19:07:28Z stassats:  there are a million different ways to not have the repl reading anything
2018-02-05T19:09:01Z dougk: billitch: turning the reader into a 'push' model will be hard
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2018-02-05T19:27:22Z billitch: dougk: my concern is rather cleanliness of basic abstractions like typed fifo memory buffers
2018-02-05T19:27:38Z billitch: the ansi standard sucks about non-blocking i/o
2018-02-05T19:28:11Z billitch: i want cl-stream everywhere
2018-02-05T19:28:39Z billitch: no need for gray streams and simple streams anymore
2018-02-05T19:28:51Z billitch: just implement a new class
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2018-02-05T21:43:40Z dougk: i wonder if we should make object-not-callable signaled if the callable is NIL, since you can't bind a function to it
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2018-02-05T21:49:51Z pfdietz_: The standard allows the user to make NIL a function name.
2018-02-05T21:50:32Z _death: not cl:nil though?
2018-02-05T21:50:48Z pfdietz_: Yes, cl:nil.
2018-02-05T21:51:51Z pfdietz_: You're not allowed to do it for standard symbols that are already functions, macros,  or special operators.
2018-02-05T21:52:09Z pfdietz_: Others?  No problem.
2018-02-05T21:52:44Z pfdietz_: This was a SBCL bug years ago (look at release notes.)
2018-02-05T21:53:06Z Bike: oh, but only lexically, i see.
2018-02-05T21:53:13Z _death: yeah, issue 214 clarifies
2018-02-05T21:53:31Z Bike: (flet ((() ())) (()))
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2018-02-05T21:58:10Z dougk: yes, our stance (aside from package lock issue prevent it in the first place) is as iss214 says.
2018-02-05T21:58:59Z dougk: and I just accidentally typed in (mapcar (format t "called~%") (hair)) when I meant (mapcar (lambda (arg) (format t "called~%") (hair arg)) ...) which could have been caught at compile-time, because FORMAT returns nil
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2018-02-05T22:05:14Z pfdietz_: ::clhs 11.1.2.1.2.1
2018-02-05T22:05:14Z Colleen: Clhs: section 11.1.2.1.2.1 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/11_ababa.htm
2018-02-05T22:05:31Z pfdietz_: Lexical
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2018-02-05T22:12:42Z pfdietz_: dougk: or you could have used FORMATTER
2018-02-05T22:12:53Z dougk: that's sort of not my point
2018-02-05T22:13:12Z pfdietz_: Er, or not.
2018-02-05T22:15:54Z pfdietz_: Yeah
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2018-02-05T23:53:16Z dougk: i broke #!-sb-thread. fix pushed
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2018-02-06T08:53:18Z scymtym: make-host-1.lisp loads tests/vm.before-xc.lisp using the host lisp, right? ccl host currently chokes on the sb-vm::(…) syntax extension in that file
2018-02-06T08:53:18Z Colleen: scymtym: jackdaniel said at 2018.02.04 18:03:26: regarding -. bug in ECL – it is a reader problem. compare (list -.0 -0. -.) - basically . is treated like zero in here. I've encountered similar bug in format a year ago or so
2018-02-06T08:57:16Z scymtym: jackdaniel: seems reasonable since i discovered it using bunch of test cases for READ (not quite, but basically). COMPILE or EVAL were not involved
2018-02-06T08:59:29Z jackdaniel: scymtym: not sure if current SBCL version has this problem, but try: (format nil "~0,0f" 0.0)
2018-02-06T08:59:46Z jackdaniel: SBCL 1.3.14 returns "."
2018-02-06T09:00:05Z jackdaniel: ECL will return ".0"
2018-02-06T09:00:51Z jackdaniel: "0." apparently *
2018-02-06T09:02:38Z scymtym: yes, 0. is a syntax for decimal integer literals
2018-02-06T09:03:16Z scymtym: thanks for the report. do you know whether there already is an issue? i feel like this has been mentioned before
2018-02-06T09:03:53Z jackdaniel: I brought it up at some point of time here, but I don't remember if it was reported or not
2018-02-06T09:04:08Z scymtym: ok
2018-02-06T09:06:02Z jackdaniel: fwiw sbcl's and ecl's format implementation both come from cmucl so backporting changes is an option
2018-02-06T09:07:03Z scymtym: thanks, i'm currently trying to understand (or maybe re-understand) why "0." is the right answer
2018-02-06T09:07:52Z jackdaniel: because "0,0" means width =0, and the number of digits *after* the period is also =0
2018-02-06T09:08:20Z jackdaniel: specification also says, that if width can't be met, then minimal number of characters should be used
2018-02-06T09:09:18Z jackdaniel: (regarding license: ECL's license makes an exception for format.lsp and other files ported from cmucl, so it is in public domain, that's why I've mentioned that backporting is an option, see toplevel LICENSE)
2018-02-06T09:11:08Z jackdaniel: on the other hand (format nil "~0f" 0.0) -> ".0"
2018-02-06T09:11:13Z jackdaniel: also a corner case
2018-02-06T09:12:13Z scymtym: why not "0" in that case?
2018-02-06T09:12:47Z scymtym: right, "single embedded decimal point"
2018-02-06T09:13:11Z scymtym: not sure whether that applies to the "If it is impossible …" case or not
2018-02-06T09:14:47Z jackdaniel: right, that is not clear
2018-02-06T09:15:35Z jackdaniel: "~X,0f" is a degenerate case anyway, because we don't print float
2018-02-06T09:15:49Z jackdaniel: s/X/w/
2018-02-06T09:16:01Z scymtym: actually, (format nil "~0,0f" 0.0) => ".1" maybe also be allowed if you read the "If it is impossible …" paragraph as an all-bets-are-off kind of thing
2018-02-06T09:16:30Z scymtym: that would have the advantage of printing something that would read as float, not integer
2018-02-06T09:16:32Z jackdaniel: hm, no, because "impossible" applies to width, not "d"
2018-02-06T09:17:09Z jackdaniel: (sorry, I've got to go in a few mintues, I'll read the backlog when back)
2018-02-06T09:18:31Z scymtym: probably true. "~,0F" must probably be allowed to output decimal integer literals
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2018-02-06T09:19:20Z scymtym: which makes sense if you request 0 digits after the decimal point
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2018-02-06T10:07:49Z scymtym: dougk: is it possible that the more aggressive tree shaker removes SB-C::PACK-CODE-FIXUP-LOCS from x86_64 non-immobile-space cores? If so, this makes :pack-varints-as-bignum in compiler-2.pure fail on x86_64 windows
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2018-02-06T10:33:37Z stassats: dougk: i was planning on distinguishing NIL from other functions, just need a way to mark the places where NIL is accepted, like :key
2018-02-06T10:34:04Z stassats: well, i have a way, but meaning that it's not a simple change
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2018-02-06T16:49:54Z scymtym: anything else that would be good to track in this manner?
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2018-02-06T18:17:32Z guicho: is there a convenient function in sbcl that convert a u32-int to/from a single-float? technically I can do the same with combining integer-decode-float and scale-float etc but I might want an optimized routine
2018-02-06T18:18:31Z Shinmera: What about coerce and round/floor/ceiling?
2018-02-06T18:19:49Z Shinmera: Or do you mean convert the bit representation
2018-02-06T18:19:57Z guicho: latter
2018-02-06T18:21:20Z guicho: I want to pack a structure with various types of immediate data into an octet array
2018-02-06T18:21:34Z guicho: more like C structs
2018-02-06T18:22:24Z guicho: (define-packed-struct aaa (a 0 (unsinged-byte 2)) (b 0 (unsinged-byte 6))) should consume only 1 byte
2018-02-06T18:23:05Z guicho: so converting floats to/from an int is necessary
2018-02-06T18:24:15Z guicho: I believe there would be some VOP which converts this operation, but if there are something already available I wanted to use it
2018-02-06T18:24:47Z guicho: if none I would just write a new one (would be just one MOV op...)
2018-02-06T18:27:28Z guicho: btw Im in New Orleans
2018-02-06T18:29:02Z Bike: i think it would be more complicated than mov, there's tags and stuff to worry about, ,and floats can be non immediate depending on arcthiecture
2018-02-06T18:30:38Z guicho: Bike: thanks, I see, atm I need to support only x86, but I also heard sometimes sbcl boxes floats
2018-02-06T18:31:01Z guicho: even for x86
2018-02-06T18:31:16Z Bike: on 32 bit it would
2018-02-06T18:31:49Z Bike: float to integer can apparently be done with single-float-bits, double-float-low-bits, double-float-high-bits, all in sb-vm, meaning don't touch
2018-02-06T18:32:07Z Bike: there's a portable library to do this, ieee-floats. naturally it goes through decode-float
2018-02-06T18:32:15Z Shinmera: guicho: If you're dealing with data like that you could also use SB-ALIEN and static-vectors.
2018-02-06T18:32:47Z Shinmera: static-vectors to get a vector usable from C, and the alien routines to do the conversion.
2018-02-06T18:33:14Z Shinmera: or CFFI if you want to be portable, of course.
2018-02-06T18:33:54Z Bike: make-single-float and make-double-float in the other direction...
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2018-02-06T18:39:53Z guicho: Bike: thanks. Is there any convention regarding which package is more safer to touch and which is not? Well, all are internals after all, with sb-ext being explicitly external, but there should be some spectrum.
2018-02-06T18:40:48Z guicho: for example, sb-vm::single-float-bits is not exported, but it is reexported from sb-kernel
2018-02-06T18:41:05Z Bike: pretty much everything but sb-ext is no go for us users, i think
2018-02-06T18:41:35Z Bike: they have different meanings, of course. sb-vm is machine stuff
2018-02-06T18:42:11Z guicho: for typical users yes, I do not care about portability atm since I have to make everything work before 2/20
2018-02-06T18:42:35Z Bike: for any user. since it's not external, the devs can break it with no warning.
2018-02-06T18:43:35Z guicho: I mean Im ok if it only works for one specific sbcl version, I can fix the version with roswell anyways
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2018-02-06T22:42:16Z corci: Project sbcl-master » default,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #2988: FIXED in 41 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=default,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/2988/
2018-02-06T22:47:32Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-06T22:47:32Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-threads,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #2988: FIXED in 47 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-threads,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/2988/
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2018-02-07T00:52:11Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-07T00:52:11Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit build #2990: FIXED in 28 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/2990/
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2018-02-07T01:58:08Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-07T01:58:08Z corci: Project sbcl-master » ccl,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #2991: FIXED in 25 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=ccl,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/2991/
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2018-02-07T16:40:33Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-unicode,MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit build #2992: FIXED in 26 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-unicode,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/2992/
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2018-02-07T17:22:22Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1908: FAILURE in 7 min 31 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1908/
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2018-02-07T18:46:57Z phoe: (defgeneric foo () (:documentation "1"))
2018-02-07T18:47:02Z phoe: (documentation #'foo 'function) ;=> WARNING: unsupported DOCUMENTATION: doc-type FUNCTION for object of type STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION
2018-02-07T18:47:47Z phoe: CLHS http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_docume.htm says that "documentation (x function) (doc-type (eql 'function))" is a valid signature for #'documentation
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2018-02-07T18:52:32Z stassats: and it is valid in sbcl
2018-02-07T18:56:47Z |3b|: returns "1" here
2018-02-07T19:03:33Z |3b| would suggest making sure you have the right FUNCTION symbol, but seems unlikely you would accidentally get WARNING, DEFGENERIC, DOCUMENTATION, and STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION imported but not FUNCTION
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2018-02-07T19:35:03Z phoe: ...welp, you are right
2018-02-07T19:35:11Z phoe: I'm in Qtools's readtable
2018-02-07T19:35:55Z phoe: ...but it doesn't seem to matter here, I'm passing the object to DOCUMENTATION and it doesn't work.
2018-02-07T19:35:58Z phoe: I'll double check later.
2018-02-07T19:36:35Z phoe: ...but my DEFGENERIC might be borked, correct. Works for me.
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2018-02-07T21:54:08Z emaczen: how can I manually free a lot of memory?
2018-02-07T21:54:59Z emaczen: I am trying to handle an out of heap space condition/signal/error, free a bunch of memory and then continue computing.
2018-02-07T21:55:57Z emaczen: I pretty much am just trying to automate a task that will cause my program to run out of heap space, but will eventually finish because it is serializing to the hard-disk and wont have to recompute everything when it gets restarted
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2018-02-07T22:15:05Z pfdietz_: emaczen: most lisp have a way to trigger the garbage collector.
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2018-02-07T22:15:43Z pfdietz_: But your problem is likely that you are referring to too much stuff you no longer need.
2018-02-07T22:16:22Z pfdietz_: Drop all refs to data that you don't want to keep around.
2018-02-07T22:16:52Z pfdietz_: Weak hash tables can be useful too.
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2018-02-07T23:18:13Z Xof: does anyone remember who manages sbcl.org DNS?
2018-02-07T23:18:29Z Xof: (my memory says kevin rosenberg)
2018-02-07T23:19:14Z Xof: since b9.com is parked, this is looking quite bad
2018-02-07T23:23:19Z Xof: ok, found his e-mail address.
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2018-02-08T05:12:34Z pfdietz: Ok, issue created on Slime github.
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2018-02-08T11:08:24Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fasteval,MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit build #2997: FIXED in 39 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fasteval,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/2997/
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2018-02-08T19:15:21Z kini: A function which creates a dynamic binding and recurses can exhaust the binding stack if it recurses too deep. Is there a way to check from lisp how much space is left on the binding stack?
2018-02-08T19:25:18Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-08T19:25:19Z corci: Project sbcl-master » safepoints,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #2999: FIXED in 41 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=safepoints,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/2999/
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2018-02-09T03:53:07Z pfdietz: No standard way.  I don't know what SBCL lets you do.
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2018-02-09T06:36:04Z borei: hi all
2018-02-09T06:38:04Z borei: im working on small linear-algebra project, and seems like without operation at the CPU registers level i'll not be able to get more or less ok performance
2018-02-09T06:38:48Z borei: i reda some articles from Paul Khuong, and looks like it's possible to do
2018-02-09T06:39:42Z borei: the problem is - all that articles and readings are targetting people with high level of knowledge
2018-02-09T06:40:09Z borei: there is not too much documentation, but rather use cases
2018-02-09T06:40:35Z borei: if somebody can point me to the entry-to-mid level documentation would cool
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2018-02-09T16:01:13Z dougk: pfdietz: hi?
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2018-02-09T17:06:52Z pfdietz: Issue already dealt with (that ALIGN thing).
2018-02-09T17:07:42Z stylewarning: Does anyone have any hints as to why when I ASDF:LOAD-SYSTEM something, I get a STYLE-WARNING for deleting unreachable code, but when I compile the function of interest with C-c-c, the S-W goes away? I know I haven't provided a minimal example, but I'm curious what could cause such a thing to happen.
2018-02-09T17:08:35Z stylewarning: (likewise with C-c-k)
2018-02-09T17:09:01Z pfdietz: Suppression of warnings is a bit mysterious to me in general.
2018-02-09T17:09:55Z oleo: there are many types of warning and error messages
2018-02-09T17:10:26Z stylewarning: It's in a COND, where the T branch is being deleted. This makes me think some type derivation occurred, and that somehow changed after proceeding compilation units finished.
2018-02-09T17:11:04Z stylewarning: But if that were the case, I'd expect some warning about redefinition or a type conflict.
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2018-02-09T18:42:14Z pkhuong: stylewarning: block compilation is allowed to assume more staticness about functions. do you also not get the message for C-c C-c with *derive-function-types* ?
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2018-02-09T19:43:53Z stassats: uh-oh, sset-adjoin appears to be broken when the order of the entries is very particular
2018-02-09T19:46:38Z stassats: i need somehow to recreate that order outside of the compiler
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2018-02-09T20:33:45Z stylewarning: pkhuong: I have that enabled by default, and that's when I get it. I guess I should have provided that info too.
2018-02-09T20:34:05Z stylewarning: pkhuong: I guess that must be why the warning is happening when I'm compiling the entire system.
2018-02-09T20:35:59Z stylewarning: pkhuong: Yep, looks like with I set that to T (it was otherwise set dynamically), the error comes up. Nice find. Thanks!
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2018-02-09T21:19:36Z stassats: stylewarning: error? it's not even a warning
2018-02-09T21:19:58Z stylewarning: The error in the usability sense, not the ANSI spec sense.
2018-02-09T21:20:16Z stylewarning: i trust i don't need to clarify further ;)
2018-02-09T21:20:24Z stassats: not in the better communication sense
2018-02-09T21:20:47Z stylewarning: SBCL did the right thing, and the perceived issue has been ameliorated.
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2018-02-09T21:26:59Z stassats: cxml
2018-02-09T21:27:11Z stassats: (all of them run on sbcl)
2018-02-09T21:27:45Z awolven: i used to use net.xml.sax
2018-02-09T21:27:53Z awolven: runs on franz
2018-02-09T21:29:53Z awolven: quicklisp is the bomb
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2018-02-09T21:41:22Z pfdietz: stassats: was that from that most recent bug?
2018-02-09T21:41:58Z stassats: pfdietz: yeah
2018-02-09T21:42:02Z pfdietz: I tried to minimize that as much as I could.
2018-02-09T21:42:11Z stassats: i didn't even make a test case
2018-02-09T21:42:13Z pfdietz: But it depended on so much.
2018-02-09T21:42:17Z stassats: since it's pointless
2018-02-09T21:43:58Z pfdietz: This testing grabs 180,000 lambdas expressions from various places, and is randomly splicing parts of some into others.  Detection rate is way down from earlier, but still getting a few hits like that.   These late hits are likely to be complex and weird.
2018-02-09T21:47:05Z pfdietz: In that test, I found the bug went away if I declared any of those *...* variables to be special.
2018-02-09T21:47:29Z pfdietz: Which is weird; doesn't it assume they're special (while complaining) if there is no lexical binding?
2018-02-09T21:47:46Z stassats: it's not weird
2018-02-09T21:47:50Z stassats: well, to me
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2018-02-10T14:36:05Z thodg: How do I run tests in REPL ? (or slime repl)
2018-02-10T14:36:14Z stassats: thodg: which tests?
2018-02-10T14:36:18Z thodg: sbcl
2018-02-10T14:36:26Z stassats: why?
2018-02-10T14:36:47Z thodg:  Failure:            stream.impure.lisp / (WRITE-CHAR LONG-LINES STREAM-OUPUT-COLUMN)
2018-02-10T14:36:50Z thodg: test failed, expected 104 return code, got 1
2018-02-10T14:37:08Z stassats: just open the file and find the test
2018-02-10T14:37:36Z stassats: and use ./run-tests.sh stream.impure.lisp --break-on-failure
2018-02-10T14:37:39Z stassats: for the debugger
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2018-02-10T14:40:59Z thodg: ok thanks !
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2018-02-10T15:05:20Z |3b|: is (typep x '(or a b ...)) likely to be slower than (or (typep x 'a) (typep x b) ...)?
2018-02-10T15:05:56Z stassats: |3b|: depends on a and b
2018-02-10T15:06:23Z stassats: but normally, no, and sometimes faster
2018-02-10T15:07:22Z |3b|: a,b,... is a total of about 15 classes i think, mostly in same hierarchy
2018-02-10T15:08:00Z |3b| should really get a better profiler instead of trying to guess what is slow without a call graph
2018-02-10T15:11:34Z |3b|: though maybe it is just the whole thing getting called a lot more than i expected and i should be doing higher-level optimizations anyway :)
2018-02-10T15:11:48Z stassats: try better subclassing and just one type test?
2018-02-10T15:12:28Z |3b|: actually, might be able to do that already, will have to check the hierarchy
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2018-02-10T16:18:41Z pfdietz: |3b|: you could implement that typep with a generic function, and let method dispatch compute it for you.
2018-02-10T16:24:58Z |3b| just needed to remove the bit that was causing it to be called a few million times more than expected :/
2018-02-10T16:26:55Z pfdietz: Hah!
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2018-02-11T02:41:37Z guicho: is there any way to make subseq dx-safe for specific types?
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2018-02-11T03:17:07Z guicho: ok, for n-th time I forgot dx-safe is for arguments, not results.
2018-02-11T03:21:30Z guicho: looks like the stack allocation of subseq is prevented by REPLACE which is not dx-safe
2018-02-11T03:22:33Z guicho: but REPLACE should be dx-safe when the arguments are unboxed arrays
2018-02-11T03:23:08Z guicho: also it looks like fun-info has STACK-ALLOCATE-RESULT slot; what is it?
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2018-02-11T08:46:25Z stassats: and ";    The function COMMON-LISP-USER::MACRO-FUN is undefined.
2018-02-11T08:46:25Z stassats: ;    It is defined earlier in the file but is not available at compile-time."
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2018-02-11T13:07:16Z phoe: I am suddenly getting errors from code that previously worked.
2018-02-11T13:07:17Z phoe: https://pastebin.com/Wk0W2UQY
2018-02-11T13:07:42Z phoe: "A function with declared result type NIL returned:BORDEAUX-THREADS:JOIN-THREAD"
2018-02-11T13:07:57Z phoe: Which seems silly. JOIN-THREAD should be able to return.
2018-02-11T13:08:38Z phoe: I'll try to isolate this thing...
2018-02-11T13:09:01Z stassats: on sbcl without threads it'll produce an error
2018-02-11T13:10:24Z phoe: I have SBCL with threads.
2018-02-11T13:10:29Z scymtym: phoe: are you setting SB-EXT:*DERIVE-FUNCTION-TYPES*?
2018-02-11T13:10:33Z phoe: But, oh well, it disappeared after a full update.
2018-02-11T13:10:42Z phoe: scymtym: I don't even know what that is.
2018-02-11T13:10:56Z phoe: But it just disappeared after I installed the newest SBCL and did a full upgrade of QL.
2018-02-11T13:12:14Z scymtym: i'm pretty sure i have already tracked this down once
2018-02-11T13:12:29Z scymtym: phoe: was this in conjunction with lparallel?
2018-02-11T13:12:33Z stassats: named-lambda causing problems
2018-02-11T13:14:15Z |3b|: does sbcl have any supported-for-users mmap (+windows equivalent) wrapper?
2018-02-11T13:14:30Z stassats: sb-poisx:mmap, -windows
2018-02-11T13:15:01Z phoe: scymtym: I don't think so, I did not use lparallel here.
2018-02-11T13:15:13Z phoe: But it disappeared after an upgrade, so I wouldn't worry about it.
2018-02-11T13:16:14Z scymtym: phoe: ok, thanks
2018-02-11T13:17:16Z stassats: phoe: _you_ wouldn't
2018-02-11T13:17:44Z scymtym: the one i'm thinking only happened on initial compilation and a bunch of other conditions, so the problem apparently disappearing doesn't necessarily mean it is fixed in newer versions. but i don't want to dig into this particular thing again right now
2018-02-11T13:18:15Z phoe: stassats: well, uh
2018-02-11T13:18:19Z phoe: right
2018-02-11T13:18:21Z stassats: lp 1289779
2018-02-11T13:18:21Z specbot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289779
2018-02-11T13:20:02Z scymtym: right, i think that's the one
2018-02-11T13:20:11Z phoe: ...I was doing initial compilation right now
2018-02-11T13:20:32Z phoe: I compiled everything from scratch after removing my whole fasl cache
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2018-02-12T05:11:14Z guicho: hi
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2018-02-12T05:23:56Z guicho: still not able to stack allocate (let ((a (let ((bv (make-array 1 :element-type 'bit))) (setf (aref bv 0) 1) bv))) (declare (dynamic-extent a)) (print a))
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2018-02-12T05:26:36Z guicho: while it allocates A on stack if I remove (setf (aref bv 0) 1) --- side effect somehow prevents stack allocation
2018-02-12T05:26:48Z guicho: I have to dig into the allocation mechanism
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2018-02-12T09:58:01Z guicho: do you guys know why (let ((a (let ((bv (make-array 1 :element-type 'bit))) (setf (aref bv 0) 1) bv))) (declare (dynamic-extent a)) (print a)) is not stack allocated?
2018-02-12T09:59:06Z guicho: sorry this example is bad, it returns A, so (let ((a (let ((bv (make-array 1 :element-type 'bit))) (setf (aref bv 0) 1) bv))) (declare (dynamic-extent a)) (print a) nil)
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2018-02-12T10:40:37Z stassats: guicho: what explanation do you want?
2018-02-12T10:40:49Z stassats: the easiest one is: the compiler is dumb
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2018-02-12T10:53:25Z guicho: stassats: I would like to know in which pass this decision is made. There is no (defoptimizer (aref stack-allocate-results) ...) .
2018-02-12T10:54:28Z guicho: having a LET does not seem to be the cause. If I remove the AREF part it can allocate the array on stack.
2018-02-12T10:55:43Z stassats: i wasn't planning on providing not the easiest explanation
2018-02-12T10:56:23Z guicho: any heuristic guidance is welcome
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2018-02-12T11:13:34Z guicho: I guess the compiler is marking the LVAR for bv as "unsafe" etc. at the aref code, but I am currently not able to track it.
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2018-02-12T12:14:09Z Tapioco: please help
2018-02-12T12:14:32Z Tapioco: I pulled the latest sbcl and slime seems be broken
2018-02-12T12:17:28Z Tapioco: https://pastebin.com/UitHPv3z
2018-02-12T12:17:33Z Tapioco: any hints?
2018-02-12T12:17:35Z Tapioco: Thanks
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2018-02-12T12:34:33Z |3b|: usual hint is "did you also upgrade slime (possibly from git)?"
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2018-02-12T12:35:58Z |3b|: particularly fix for https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/429
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2018-02-12T13:15:45Z Tapioco: yes I did
2018-02-12T13:15:55Z Tapioco: last mass upgrade some days ago
2018-02-12T13:16:11Z Tapioco: (ql:update-all-dists)
2018-02-12T13:19:10Z Tapioco: confirmed! slime 2.20 works on ecl
2018-02-12T13:29:40Z Tapioco: |3b|: I fixed as suggested in your link and it worked!
2018-02-12T13:29:55Z pfdietz: Tapioco: that bug is known and has been fixed.  Slime was referring to an internal symbol in SBCL that it shouldn't have, and that went away since the last SBCL release.  Upgrading from git should retrieve the fix.
2018-02-12T13:30:22Z Tapioco: pfdietz: git pull
2018-02-12T13:30:37Z Tapioco: pfdietz: in the quicklisp downloaded repository dir?
2018-02-12T13:30:50Z pfdietz: No, the main slime repository.
2018-02-12T13:30:57Z Tapioco: ok
2018-02-12T13:31:15Z pfdietz: https://github.com/slime/slime
2018-02-12T13:32:17Z pfdietz: Issues:   https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/429   https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1748041
2018-02-12T13:34:04Z Tapioco: ok
2018-02-12T13:37:38Z Tapioco: thanks
2018-02-12T13:40:23Z pfdietz: yw!
2018-02-12T13:42:49Z Tapioco: but I think I fixed removing the cond code and leaving code as suggested in the post
2018-02-12T13:51:30Z Tapioco: (sb-disassem:disassemble-code-component o :stream s)
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2018-02-12T14:11:41Z stassats: Tapioco: you didn't pull the latest sbcl though
2018-02-12T14:12:29Z Tapioco: yes I did
2018-02-12T14:12:35Z stassats: or wait, is it being removed by this new thingy
2018-02-12T14:12:35Z Tapioco: 1 hour ago
2018-02-12T14:13:18Z stassats: there is some new symbol remover that i have disabled which breaks any sbcl development
2018-02-12T14:13:26Z Tapioco: ah
2018-02-12T14:13:31Z stassats: it probably removes align, even though i renamed it back
2018-02-12T14:19:08Z stassats: Tapioco: ok, pull again
2018-02-12T14:19:33Z Tapioco: ok, thanks
2018-02-12T14:20:00Z Tapioco: package-data-list.lisp-expr | 1 +
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2018-02-12T14:20:27Z stassats: the aggressive stuff removing from sbcl is getting annoying
2018-02-12T14:20:49Z Tapioco: shall I reload slime from quicklisp?
2018-02-12T14:21:04Z stassats: Tapioco: no
2018-02-12T14:21:10Z Tapioco: ok
2018-02-12T14:21:28Z Tapioco: I modified as suggested in https://github.com/slime/slime/issues/429
2018-02-12T14:21:58Z Tapioco: I leaved (sb-disassem:disassemble-code-component o :stream s) and removed the cond
2018-02-12T14:22:37Z stassats: or you could've just pulled
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2018-02-12T14:22:55Z Tapioco: now I did ./make.sh in the sbcl dir
2018-02-12T14:22:58Z stassats: but the idea is not to break stuff
2018-02-12T14:23:05Z stassats: we have ASDF for that
2018-02-12T14:27:57Z Tapioco: lol
2018-02-12T14:28:02Z Tapioco: compiled
2018-02-12T14:28:04Z Tapioco: and working
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2018-02-12T14:39:49Z Tapioco: stassats: what happened, are you trying to forbid usage of sbcl internals?
2018-02-12T14:40:20Z stassats: i'm not
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2018-02-12T15:06:45Z pfdietz: On the other hand, it's a problem if any symbol in sbcl, anywhere, becomes a viable part of the user interface.
2018-02-12T15:07:36Z pfdietz: Users are doing something risky if they use unexported symbols.
2018-02-12T15:09:41Z Tapioco: pfdietz: ok
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2018-02-12T17:17:51Z scymtym__: dougk_: did you manage to look at https://github.com/scymtym/sbcl/compare/wip-bitset-sc-locations~3...wip-bitset-sc-locations ? i wanted to ask whether the separation into SC-OFFSET and SC+OFFSET realizes what we discussed from your point of view. i'm not quite satisfied with the encoding of finite sc locations as bitsets (even though it helps performance). maybe there should be an SC-OFFSET subtype for finite storage 
2018-02-12T17:17:51Z scymtym__: enforced everywhere?
2018-02-12T17:19:45Z dougk_: i like the name. what don't you like about bitsets ?
2018-02-12T17:28:22Z scymtym__: i think the SMALL-SC-OFFSET thing could use a more systematic treatment. to ensure that offsets in the finite storage bases of given backend actually fit. with the way the commits currently are, i would worry about breaking the backends i don't use
2018-02-12T17:29:02Z scymtym__: it's called SC-SMALL-OFFSET but the name is bad either way
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2018-02-12T18:07:41Z stassats: at least one tail optimized call could be recovered, by looking at what the return site has called
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2018-02-12T18:29:18Z thodg: How would one go about removing all stream functions in a SBCL image (save-lisp-and-die) ?
2018-02-12T18:29:35Z thodg: and pathname
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2018-02-12T18:31:18Z stassats: thodg: what for?
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2018-02-12T18:55:48Z thodg: stassats: not having them anymore in the lisp image
2018-02-12T18:56:01Z stassats: what for?
2018-02-12T18:56:44Z thodg: simplicity, security, and the beauty of it mostly =)
2018-02-12T18:57:00Z stassats: so, no actual reason
2018-02-12T18:57:18Z thodg: and as an insight on how to decouple important unrelated concepts
2018-02-12T18:57:33Z thodg: such as code compiling and stream handling
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2018-02-12T18:58:09Z thodg: i want the compiler to be able to revolve around different stream implementations
2018-02-12T18:58:16Z thodg: with on-disk capability even
2018-02-12T18:58:52Z thodg: but being able to upgrade requires cutting ties with old subsystem in a running lisp image
2018-02-12T18:59:19Z dougk_: istm you're not actually asking how to remove what we have, but how to extend with something that is neither a gray-stream nor simple-stream nor ansi-stream. why not start with that angle rather than the "get rid of" ?
2018-02-12T18:59:32Z thodg: so I would reformulate as : Can a sbcl lisp image clean itself of its stream primitives by programmatic pathways ?
2018-02-12T19:00:13Z thodg: dougk_: yes but I guess most of the system is totally oblivious to concepts of CL streams as they are proposed
2018-02-12T19:00:30Z dougk_: you're asking the wrong question. you want to ask: can you replace every single "read/write/flush/open/blah" with some other thing, that works, and such that READ/WRITE still work (unless you're willing to kill those too)
2018-02-12T19:00:31Z stassats: whatever you are doing sounds extremely fishy, so, good luck with that
2018-02-12T19:00:45Z dougk_: i don't see what "removing" has to do with what you want to do, except as a final GCish kind of step
2018-02-12T19:00:59Z thodg: dougk_: well replace is a different operation not entailing removal of old infrastructure
2018-02-12T19:01:09Z thodg: override maybe
2018-02-12T19:01:19Z thodg: refines the term replace
2018-02-12T19:01:59Z dougk_: it really isn't. Substitute your own definition for every function that is stream-related. Either do that as part of the build, or do it after. If it's a knife-edge cutover, the rest of the system won't even notice
2018-02-12T19:01:59Z thodg: i dont want to close file descriptors i want to abstract away all stream functionalities
2018-02-12T19:03:20Z stassats: what are you really doing?
2018-02-12T19:03:32Z thodg: i think a minimal lisp compiler does not need to introspect streams except for very specific features like LOAD
2018-02-12T19:04:47Z thodg: explaining its stream api limitations
2018-02-12T19:05:30Z stassats: so far it feels like you're just trolling
2018-02-12T19:06:30Z thodg: no i just wonder if sbcl code might be somewhat ordered regarding their use of streams or not
2018-02-12T19:07:18Z thodg: and if there was an exhaustive list of stream functions in sbcl somewhere ?
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2018-02-12T19:39:59Z stassats: type errors in optional lead to weird results
2018-02-12T19:40:29Z stassats: the main function is understandably deleted, but also its children, one of them the XEP to that function
2018-02-12T19:40:40Z stassats: derailing the whole thing
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2018-02-12T19:57:12Z dougk_: just great, CLISP can't grok a #. that returns no values.   (read-from-string "#.(if nil 'foo (values)) a") => NIL and 24 but should be A and 26
2018-02-12T19:57:30Z dougk_: i almost feel like we need to patch its #. reader if using it as xc-host
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2018-02-12T20:02:31Z stassats: ecl does the same
2018-02-12T20:02:52Z stassats: but ecl is easier to get fixed
2018-02-12T20:03:35Z stassats: scratch that, the reader is written in C
2018-02-12T20:04:01Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
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2018-02-12T20:04:02Z dougk_: i think i'm going to extent our #!+ syntax to parse an expression of the form #!+(has-vop my-awesome-vop) (my-form-using-awesome-vop).  gets rid the various has-fast-ash-whatnot features, and satisfies my use-case
2018-02-12T20:04:21Z dougk_: basically i was trying to avoid adding a new feature for named-c-call
2018-02-12T20:04:43Z dougk_: and the vop* macro can't even expand if you don't have the vop, so it needs a feature guard of some kind
2018-02-12T20:06:27Z dougk_: and rather than having to add the vop, and the feature saying that you have vop, just testing the installed vops hash-table directly is the most robust approach
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2018-02-12T20:48:21Z stassats: devised a hack, let's hope it doesn't work so i'm forced to come up with something better
2018-02-12T20:54:08Z stassats: at least it builds, maybe it's not so bad
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2018-02-12T22:07:24Z stassats: i added a timeout to :SYMBOL-VALUE-IN-THREAD.3, but it still hangs on safepoints
2018-02-12T22:07:40Z stassats: so, something else is not right, but that's a good data point
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2018-02-12T22:37:45Z scymtym: did anyone try to start a build on ci.cor-lab?
2018-02-12T22:38:18Z scymtym: if not i may have to disable the option to do it with authentication
2018-02-12T22:38:46Z scymtym: in any case, with the current setup, https://ci.cor-lab.org/view/sbcl/job/sbcl-master-fetch/ has to be used to start a build
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2018-02-12T22:40:01Z stassats: scymtym: i did do that first
2018-02-12T22:40:55Z scymtym: stassats: ok, that's good. i changed the setup to avoid unnecessary clones and flakiness due to sourceforge
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2018-02-13T01:17:21Z pfdietz: That hack (or something else very recent) does appear to have caused a new issue, stassats.
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2018-02-13T03:57:41Z pfdietz: Current git is not building with sbcl 1.3.1.  Something about TN not having a make-load-form when compiling simd-pack.lisp (x86-64 build).
2018-02-13T03:58:11Z pfdietz: That's the old version of sbcl in the Ubuntu LTS version I have on the linux computer here.
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2018-02-13T04:14:58Z pfdietz: Fails when compiling the function EA-FOR-SSE-STACK
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2018-02-13T05:36:41Z dougk: pfdietz: do you have any thought on the problem cited in https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/f1e8b19d ?  If everybody including us is doing this wrong, then defconstant-eqx is nearly useless for anything except trees of symbols (i.e. always dumpable)
2018-02-13T05:37:37Z dougk: i saw no other cases of "needing" a make-load-form despite it not being obvious that you would need one
2018-02-13T05:41:41Z pfdietz: Looking...
2018-02-13T05:46:24Z pfdietz: I wonder if, even if you had a make-load-form, would it make all occurrences of those be the same object?
2018-02-13T05:46:51Z dougk: it would not
2018-02-13T05:47:08Z pfdietz: Well then.  That can't be right.
2018-02-13T05:47:14Z dougk: right.
2018-02-13T05:47:43Z pfdietz: You could write (symbol-value '<constant-var-name>) instead of <constant-var-name>.  It might compile properly.
2018-02-13T05:48:25Z dougk: in SBCL that circumlocution is unnecessary. we *do* refer to the named constant at each point of use
2018-02-13T05:48:47Z dougk: at least, we do at current head, and have going back pretty far in history
2018-02-13T05:49:00Z dougk: not sure why self-hosted build didn't work
2018-02-13T05:49:12Z pfdietz: Just make it non-constant then.  If you like, define it as a symbol-macro to (identity <actual-var-name>) to keep anyone from assigning to it.
2018-02-13T05:49:56Z dougk: which is sort of my original observation: defconstant-eqx can't actually be really useful if there are such different behaviors for non-eql-comparable constants
2018-02-13T05:50:18Z pfdietz: Myself, I only ever use defconstant on primitive things like numbers, characters, or symbols.
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2018-02-13T05:51:41Z dougk: right, but everybody and their brother too has a variant of defconstant that lets you "portably" define hairy constants
2018-02-13T05:51:45Z pfdietz: The build of mine that failed was from 1.3.1, which is pretty far back.
2018-02-13T05:52:15Z dougk: Alexandria has DEFINE-CONSTANT
2018-02-13T05:53:07Z dougk: and lots of things use that, but it looks like they mostly use strings. So again, it's kind of an a-priori dumpable object
2018-02-13T05:56:00Z pfdietz: Preserving object identity across different fasl files is going to require the use of load-time-value.
2018-02-13T05:56:09Z dougk: that's exactly what SBCL does
2018-02-13T05:56:30Z dougk: implicitly
2018-02-13T05:56:41Z pfdietz: Well, I guess it has to be done explicitly here.
2018-02-13T06:00:22Z pfdietz: So, for a constant C, C becomes a symbol macro for (load-time-value (if (boundp 'C*) (symbol-value 'C*) (setf (symbol-value 'C*) <initexpression>))).
2018-02-13T06:02:00Z pfdietz: Or maybe just use C instead of C* there.
2018-02-13T06:02:29Z pfdietz: This will only fail if someone evaluated (symbol-value 'C) before any of those are loaded.
2018-02-13T06:05:10Z pfdietz: Do compilers fold out (symbol-value 'C) if C is a constant?
2018-02-13T06:06:11Z pfdietz: Anyway, good night.
2018-02-13T06:10:56Z dougk: i just downloaded 1.3.1 from our binaries and built @ head, no problem.
2018-02-13T06:11:04Z dougk: you should open a bug report with more data i suppose
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2018-02-13T13:38:37Z pfdietz: Odd.
2018-02-13T13:39:53Z pfdietz: The specific name of the one I used is 1.3.1.debian
2018-02-13T13:40:04Z pfdietz: Could be different somehow from 1.3.1
2018-02-13T13:48:36Z pfdietz: They picked up 1.3.1 on Jan 2, 2016.  If they got it from the sbcl repo rather than the release, something could have been done between the release date of 1.3.1 and that time.  I should try SBCL's 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 binaries.
2018-02-13T13:48:38Z pfdietz: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sbcl
2018-02-13T13:49:23Z stassats: what could have happened? the repo became corrupted?
2018-02-13T13:50:24Z pfdietz: I'm wondering if the problem was due to a change in that time.  But I don't know how debian imports stuff.
2018-02-13T13:50:53Z stassats: it says 1.3.1
2018-02-13T13:51:37Z pfdietz: Yes, so I would assume they picked up the release.  Maybe I can get the sources and compare.
2018-02-13T13:52:02Z stassats: i think you're chasing a wild goose
2018-02-13T13:52:08Z pfdietz: Probably.
2018-02-13T13:53:20Z pfdietz: I can solve my personl problem by building with a more recent sbcl.
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2018-02-13T14:00:28Z pfdietz: defconstant for object values seems inherently problematic to me anyway.   There's nothing stopping a program from modifying the object.  Only the binding of the object to the variable is constant.
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2018-02-13T19:57:44Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-13T19:57:45Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit build #3026: FIXED in 29 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/3026/
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2018-02-14T00:04:08Z fe[nl]ix: pkhuong: could you take a quick look at https://github.com/sionescu/bordeaux-threads/pull/37 ?
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2018-02-14T05:26:02Z dougk: anyone home? i just discovered an amazing flaw in gencgc_apply_code_fixups for x86
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2018-02-14T06:14:27Z pfdietz: Hmm?
2018-02-14T06:14:59Z pfdietz: What is the effect of this flaw?
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2018-02-14T11:57:50Z scymtym: dougk: i think the "don't know how to dump #<TN>" problem also affects builds with SBCL 1.3.1.debian host
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2018-02-14T13:41:39Z dougk: scymtym: i wonder wtf they did our build options! is it in make-host-1 or make-host-2 ?
2018-02-14T13:42:50Z dougk: pfdietz: the GC flaw?  after the first GC that mistakes an offset for an address, the function it touched is completely unusable
2018-02-14T13:45:16Z scymtym: dougk: full build log: https://techfak.de/~jmoringe/sbcl-1.3.1.debian-build-host.log
2018-02-14T13:45:59Z dougk: well that's at least promising.  It's make-host-1
2018-02-14T13:46:55Z dougk: i'd have been even more worried if aspects of the host (though it be our own code) affected make-host-2, which is exactly what we claim to insulate against
2018-02-14T13:48:23Z dougk: i recognize this problem as a bugfix i put in.  the timeframe seems wrong for it to have been fixed post-1.3.1 though
2018-02-14T13:49:09Z dougk: actually ,no fixed July of last year, so yah, it's our own bug
2018-02-14T13:49:51Z dougk: fix was 9be52db802571d4. thanks sourceforge
2018-02-14T13:49:59Z dougk: (for being down, that is)
2018-02-14T13:53:58Z dougk: so ... the upshot is that due to a possible "bug" (or not), in _any_ Lisp compiler that believes that (SOMEFUN +foo+) must dump the *literal* value of +foo+ where +foo+ was defined by (defconstant-eqx +foo+ (hair) #'equalp), we can not use defconstant-eqx as it was intended.
2018-02-14T13:54:19Z dougk: The sole reason for being, is therefore nullified.
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2018-02-14T13:59:35Z scymtym: so switch from blacklisting hosts to whitelisting?
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2018-02-14T14:03:29Z dougk: probably just have !possibly-defconstant-eqx never become a defconstant on the host.  It's documentation mainly.
2018-02-14T14:06:16Z dougk: so the interesting thing about this is that for all the users who think they're getting some value out of alexandria::define-constant in that you can pedantically specify any comparator, do they realize that fundamentally the spec is deficient / not restrictive enough about what compilers can do, and they might end up with N copies of the constant that aren't equal under the comparator ?
2018-02-14T14:16:47Z scymtym: yeah, seems like an invitation for very subtle bugs, potentially depending on details of the compilation setup and the implementation used
2018-02-14T14:30:44Z pfdietz: So sbcl.org is now not working?
2018-02-14T14:33:26Z pfdietz: Why can I not find Steel Bank Common Lisp on the sourceforge.net
2018-02-14T14:33:39Z stassats: ask sourceforge
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2018-02-14T14:38:46Z scymtym: pfdietz: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl/ works here
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2018-02-14T14:44:34Z pfdietz: Ok.  I didn't have that URL, so I searched at sourceforge for sbcl.  It did not come up.
2018-02-14T14:53:09Z |3b|: looks like it doesn't show up with their default filter of 'windows' (or mac if that's your default)
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2018-02-14T15:19:41Z pfdietz: "Code repositories are not currently available."
2018-02-14T15:20:14Z pfdietz: And I don't see where to change that filter.
2018-02-14T15:20:20Z pfdietz: Sourceforge, you are such a clown show.
2018-02-14T15:38:10Z |3b|: from main page, searching for "sbcl", on results page right under the text entry box for search term , clicking "Filters * Windows" lets me change it
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2018-02-14T15:47:14Z joshe: maybe someone could edit the platform list on the sourceforge project to include windows
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2018-02-14T17:09:13Z stassats: joshe: not me
2018-02-14T17:09:44Z stassats: i guess it needs "admin" privileges
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2018-02-14T17:26:07Z stassats:  ! [remote rejected]     master -> master (unpacker error) the hell is that
2018-02-14T17:29:46Z scymtym: seems to a permission problem. probably related to sourceforge changing things: https://twitter.com/sourceforge/status/963684868621242368
2018-02-14T17:30:04Z stassats: i already marked the commits as fixed on launchpad
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2018-02-14T17:30:17Z stassats: now that's a lie and the hash may change
2018-02-14T17:30:41Z scymtym: the hash shouldn't have to change, i hope
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2018-02-14T17:30:58Z stassats: that assumes i commit it first
2018-02-14T17:32:04Z jackdaniel: you may pull, then you will merge upstream, and then push (if you are second)
2018-02-14T17:32:23Z scymtym: which would change the hashes, which was the point
2018-02-14T17:33:29Z scymtym: but the window for that should be basically the same as before, assuming you updated the issues before pushing
2018-02-14T17:33:47Z |3b|: nice, "introducing new sourceforge" link in pinned tweet is 404
2018-02-14T17:37:57Z jackdaniel: scymtym: I think that if you merge changes hashes of your commits doesn't change (in contrary to rebase) - am I wrong? need to read more about git in that case
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2018-02-14T17:41:10Z scymtym: jackdaniel: i think you are right, but we always rebase
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2018-02-14T17:44:03Z stassats: the default is debug 0, i wonder if debug 3 will help
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2018-02-14T17:45:34Z stassats: except i have no idea how to do that
2018-02-14T17:50:08Z stassats: well, i'm out of that
2018-02-14T17:52:06Z joshe: I had sbcl building on ecl but that was a decade ago
2018-02-14T17:52:40Z stassats: i pestered jackdaniel to fix one conformance bug, but now i don't know what else is broken
2018-02-14T17:52:42Z jackdaniel: maybe sbcl was less demanding, or ecl was working better :)
2018-02-14T17:52:52Z stassats: because the debugger is non debuggable
2018-02-14T17:53:04Z jackdaniel: what message do you have in debugger?
2018-02-14T17:55:12Z stassats: a undebuggable message, evidently
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2018-02-15T14:01:04Z flip214: when in GDB in lower_thread_control_stack_guard_page(), how can I get the lisp stack to find the offending function?
2018-02-15T14:01:26Z stassats: exit gdb?
2018-02-15T14:02:16Z flip214: stassats: no, the problem occurs with vlime (a vim plugin using swank),
2018-02-15T14:02:27Z flip214: and so the stacktrace goes to a then-broken setup
2018-02-15T14:02:40Z stassats: --lose-on-corruption
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2018-02-15T14:05:47Z flip214: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/: "Project web is currently offline pending the final migration of its data to our new datacenter."
2018-02-15T14:06:06Z stassats: it ain't lying then
2018-02-15T14:08:31Z flip214: stassats: no, --lose-o-c doesn't help me... still only have "INFO: Control stack guard page unprotected"
2018-02-15T14:09:06Z stassats: then you're putting it in the wrong place
2018-02-15T14:10:13Z flip214: right before --core
2018-02-15T14:10:26Z stassats: maybe it's not a corruption then
2018-02-15T14:11:56Z flip214: I'd like to find out
2018-02-15T14:12:25Z stassats: make it lose by recompiling the runtime
2018-02-15T14:13:18Z flip214: can I get information from the siginfo_t?
2018-02-15T14:15:52Z flip214: (gdb) p lose_on_corruption_p
2018-02-15T14:15:52Z flip214: $2 = 1
2018-02-15T14:15:57Z flip214: what do I need to change before recompiling?
2018-02-15T14:16:10Z stassats: lose("something")
2018-02-15T14:16:49Z flip214: Either I simply don't understand you (because I don't know enough SBCL internals?), or you're just kidding
2018-02-15T14:17:38Z flip214: ah, you mean I should insert that line in the l_t_c_s_g_p()?
2018-02-15T14:17:40Z stassats: are you laughing?
2018-02-15T14:17:54Z flip214: no
2018-02-15T14:18:05Z flip214: lower_thread_control_stack_guard_page
2018-02-15T14:18:08Z flip214: is what I meant here
2018-02-15T14:18:42Z flip214: well, from GDB I just did "call lose("aa")"
2018-02-15T14:18:45Z flip214: now I'm in LDB
2018-02-15T14:19:06Z flip214: too bad that the sbcl manual isn't available right now
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2018-02-15T14:19:22Z stassats: did you delete it?
2018-02-15T14:19:38Z flip214: the rendered one on the internet
2018-02-15T14:19:44Z flip214: I'm reading the texinfo sources now
2018-02-15T14:20:03Z stassats: you can build it
2018-02-15T14:20:29Z stassats: not sure what in the manual can help with stack exhaustion and a broken debugger
2018-02-15T14:21:13Z flip214: I'd be interested how to use LDB, for example
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2018-02-15T14:23:00Z flip214: yeah, thanks.
2018-02-15T14:23:11Z flip214: tells me 0: Foreign function, 1: Foreign function
2018-02-15T14:23:12Z flip214: ;(
2018-02-15T14:23:14Z stassats: i don't think there's anything in the manual anyhow
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2018-02-15T14:23:57Z flip214: that's what my search through the manual page and the texinfo turned up, yes.
2018-02-15T14:25:05Z stassats: flip214: do         fake_foreign_function_call(context); lose("abc"); before the call to lower_thread_control_stack_guard_page
2018-02-15T14:25:42Z flip214: ack, recompiling now
2018-02-15T14:26:23Z stassats: are building with :sb-dynamic-core? with that you can rebuild just the runtime
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2018-02-15T14:30:01Z flip214: well, already there...
2018-02-15T14:30:05Z flip214: got a backtrace, thanks a lot!
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2018-02-15T14:38:22Z flip214: yeah, two of the LABELS there call themselves...
2018-02-15T14:39:07Z flip214: Is there some simple optimization setting to get (only?) tail-call optimization within that function, without sacrifying SAFETY too much?
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2018-02-15T14:40:01Z stassats: there's no optimization to disable tail calls
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2018-02-15T14:41:07Z flip214: The elimination of tail-recursive frames can be prevented by disabling
2018-02-15T14:41:07Z flip214: tail-recursion optimization, which happens when the @code{debug}
2018-02-15T14:41:07Z flip214: optimization quality is greater than @code{2}.
2018-02-15T14:41:07Z flip214: @xref{Debugger Policy Control}.
2018-02-15T14:41:17Z flip214: hmmm, but nothing to enable them
2018-02-15T14:41:53Z stassats: you can't control them at all, as i said
2018-02-15T14:42:01Z stassats: besides making the calls non-tail
2018-02-15T14:42:36Z flip214: what a sec...
2018-02-15T14:42:48Z flip214: for a (LABELS ((foo (...) ... (foo)))
2018-02-15T14:43:07Z flip214: what would a RETURN-FROM foo do? Only return from the innermost call, right?
2018-02-15T14:43:11Z stassats: ... are important
2018-02-15T14:43:30Z stassats: flip214: naturally
2018-02-15T14:44:29Z flip214: but with a tail-recursive function, that means that _all_ frames are quit
2018-02-15T14:46:29Z flip214: so a simple LOOP instead of self-calling should be good enough
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2018-02-15T14:52:54Z stassats: the fine manual even lists stack exhaustion for --lose-on-corruption
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2018-02-15T16:21:52Z flip214: how can I tell the SBCL build system to retain debug information (on the C sources)?
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2018-02-15T21:19:13Z stassats: flip214: by not telling it not to retain it
2018-02-15T21:19:55Z stassats: or is -g not debuggy enough?
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2018-02-16T03:46:09Z pfdietz: stassats:  how do I recompile and load parts of the SBCL compiler into a running SBCL?  There must be some mechanism for handling those ! package names.
2018-02-16T03:47:53Z pfdietz: I can add nicknames to SB-C, etc., but SB!XC corresponds to what?
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2018-02-16T03:50:08Z Bike: cross compiler... that stuff doesn't exist in the final image, does it?
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2018-02-16T04:10:18Z pfdietz: No, but it does in the file I want to compile.  Presumably that get changed somehow in compiling for the final image.
2018-02-16T04:11:46Z pfdietz: My motivation for doing this is to compile SBCL's compiler under a version of Waters' COVER package, so I can search for test inputs that increase code coverage.
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2018-02-16T04:22:50Z pfdietz: I want to compile, say, ir1tran.lsp
2018-02-16T04:22:57Z pfdietz: This is code that ends up in the final image.
2018-02-16T04:23:19Z pfdietz: But it has references to sb!xc in it (although the file itself does (in-package "SB!C")).
2018-02-16T04:24:31Z pfdietz: .lisp, I mean
2018-02-16T04:24:47Z pfdietz: So used to three letter file types.
2018-02-16T04:26:15Z Bike: in that particular file they're all cl symbols, at least
2018-02-16T04:35:51Z pfdietz: I figure there must be some mechanism in there I can reuse that does the package twiddling.
2018-02-16T04:40:22Z pfdietz: YAY sourceforge's view into the repo is back
2018-02-16T04:55:54Z pfdietz: But cannot git clone it. :(
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2018-02-16T05:20:43Z karlosz: pfdietz: do you want to modify the live compiler?
2018-02-16T05:20:56Z karlosz: or do you want to compile the cross compiler
2018-02-16T05:21:02Z karlosz: i think you probably want the cross compiler
2018-02-16T05:21:21Z karlosz: you can run load-xc.lisp in toplevel
2018-02-16T05:21:36Z karlosz: to get a cross compiler set up in a live image
2018-02-16T05:22:02Z karlosz: if you try to hack that script you can probably get cover to get coverage for the cross compiler
2018-02-16T05:22:20Z karlosz: and then you can run things like (sb!xc:compile-file ...)
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2018-02-16T06:20:33Z pfdietz: src/cold/chill.lisp seems to be what I want
2018-02-16T06:21:51Z whoman: LSP = lumpy space princess! (adventure time, thats her nickname.) sourceforge still alive ?
2018-02-16T06:23:59Z pfdietz: I just did a git pull from their repo.
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2018-02-16T14:41:36Z flip214: stassats: for some reason the sbcl binary doesn't include debug info... the .o still have it. the linker command line includes -g as well, I have to read up on that one again.
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2018-02-16T17:15:30Z stassats: mikeh`: you have to ignore sigsegvs
2018-02-16T17:19:26Z stassats: flip214: are you calling strip at any point?
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2018-02-16T18:11:36Z phoe: Sourceforge is up but sbcl.org is still down and reports a 404 - just saying.
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2018-02-16T18:21:21Z scymtym: sourceforge still seems to be in some phase of their data center transition: https://twitter.com/sfnet_ops
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2018-02-16T19:55:43Z Xof: we need to update DNS
2018-02-16T19:55:52Z Xof: unfortunately Kevin Rosenberg didn't reply to my e-mail
2018-02-16T19:55:58Z Xof: I believe it is he who controls sbcl.org
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2018-02-16T20:02:58Z scymtym: Xof: maybe it's too early anyway. https://twitter.com/sfnet_ops says project web hosting is still being worked on
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2018-02-16T22:30:08Z pfdietz: 404 error gone at the website, back to the one line about currently offline.
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2018-02-16T23:04:07Z stassats: think of all the customers we are going to lose!
2018-02-16T23:04:16Z stassats: so much lost revenue
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2018-02-17T00:30:17Z pfdietz: Abd now sbcl.org is back!
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2018-02-17T07:37:34Z flip214: stylewarning: no, not explicitly.
2018-02-17T07:37:57Z flip214: sorry, I meant stassats.
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2018-02-17T10:48:34Z flip214: stassats: no, I'm not calling strip myself. Need to find out what makes the debug info disappear, guess I'll have a bit of time on Monday. Thanks anyway!
2018-02-17T11:26:25Z stassats: For anyone missing the manual and unable to build their own: https://sbcl.github.io/
2018-02-17T11:34:06Z flip214: great!
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2018-02-17T12:55:53Z scymtym wonders who came up with the idea of creating github issues to say "thank you"
2018-02-17T12:57:06Z Shinmera: There's been a thing recently about "people only reporting errors means devs never get to hear from people for whom it just works! They should get appreciation for that!"
2018-02-17T12:58:12Z Bike: issues don't seem like the appropriate medium for that
2018-02-17T12:58:14Z stassats: turned off issues, i didn't think it would get any
2018-02-17T12:58:32Z Shinmera: Bike: It's just a push from people that want to feel good about themselves anyway
2018-02-17T12:58:40Z Bike: github introduces new Adulations tab
2018-02-17T13:01:34Z jackdaniel: should I make a ticket on lunchpad with "thank you"? sbcl seems to work fine most of the time here ;-)
2018-02-17T13:02:29Z stassats: what's the "thank you" to US dollar conversion rate these days?
2018-02-17T13:08:02Z jackdaniel: time is money, so if you actually look at that issue you lose some time - hence conversion rate has negative sign
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2018-02-17T14:46:37Z pfdietz: Ijust try to be dry and unemotional in tickets.  Maybe I spam backtraces too much.
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2018-02-17T14:47:53Z pfdietz: Notice anything odd about this page?   https://sourceforge.net/p/sbcl/sbcl/ci/master/tree/
2018-02-17T14:50:01Z |3b|: missing date/commit/author info for some files?
2018-02-17T14:51:08Z pfdietz: Yes
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2018-02-17T20:45:33Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
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2018-02-17T20:49:34Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
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2018-02-17T21:06:09Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-17T21:06:10Z corci: Project sbcl-master » default,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3029: FIXED in 41 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=default,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3029/
2018-02-17T21:06:54Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
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2018-02-17T21:50:51Z fe[nl]ix: is this bot necessary ?
2018-02-17T21:51:17Z stassats: yes
2018-02-17T21:53:26Z _death: output could be condensed
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2018-02-17T22:21:59Z stacksmith: Does SBCL pack vectors of (unsigned-byte 4)?
2018-02-17T22:22:19Z stassats: yes
2018-02-17T22:22:39Z stacksmith: Thanks.
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2018-02-18T01:22:24Z _death: hmm.. (let ((s (make-array 1 :fill-pointer t :initial-element #\_))) (replace s s :start2 0 :start1 1))
2018-02-18T01:32:15Z |3b|: ?
2018-02-18T01:32:20Z _death: works fine after reverting cad6753b
2018-02-18T01:32:50Z _death: 3b: in sbcl head, this signals an error about start2 being -1
2018-02-18T01:32:53Z |3b|: ah, guess my version is too old then :)
2018-02-18T01:33:48Z _death: stumpwm uses such an array when reading input..
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2018-02-18T01:41:13Z |3b|: yeah, that looks broken :/
2018-02-18T01:41:41Z |3b| is confused by that commit, are the 2 NELTS different?
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2018-02-18T10:38:46Z stassats: reporting bugs on irc is a good way for them to get never noticed
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2018-02-18T11:56:21Z _death: the alternative is not to report them
2018-02-18T11:57:11Z stassats: if the outcome is the same..
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2018-02-18T16:27:52Z pfdietz: _death: report bugs on the launchpad bug tracker.   https://launchpad.net/sbcl
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2018-02-18T18:51:47Z stassats catches a compiler error before pfdietz does
2018-02-18T18:52:24Z stassats: really small and simple: (lambda (x) (declare ((satisfies error) x)) x)
2018-02-18T19:01:41Z pfdietz_: Nice
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2018-02-18T20:26:08Z stassats: huh, i somehow managed to break defrag_search_varyobj_subspace after changing internal error encoding
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2018-02-18T20:39:06Z stassats: no clue what's wrong with it, but now i can't save 96KB
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2018-02-18T20:48:11Z stassats: looks like it's pretty sensitive to error trap encoding
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2018-02-18T21:08:47Z pfdietz_: Gu
2018-02-18T21:08:48Z pfdietz_: B
2018-02-18T21:08:48Z pfdietz_: L
2018-02-18T21:08:48Z pfdietz_: I
2018-02-18T21:08:49Z pfdietz_: N
2018-02-18T21:08:56Z pfdietz_: Yike
2018-02-18T21:09:25Z pfdietz_: Grumbling on #lisp that slime broke on abcl
2018-02-18T21:10:27Z stassats: instead of opening a ticket?
2018-02-18T21:13:13Z pfdietz_: Someone did that also
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2018-02-18T21:33:49Z stassats: and why not just use the release version of slime?
2018-02-18T21:39:04Z Xof: pfdietz_, come back!
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2018-02-18T21:40:07Z Xof: pfdietz_: Is there a better academic reference for the test suite presentation you gave at ILC 2005 than "presented at ILC 2005"?
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2018-02-18T21:44:44Z pfdietz_: No although it's online somewhere maybe?
2018-02-18T21:45:45Z pfdietz_: If you find it online feel free to copy and  redistribute as you wish.
2018-02-18T21:46:15Z pfdietz_: I can probably dig up a copy here too.
2018-02-18T21:48:10Z pfdietz_: Not seeing it through google.
2018-02-18T21:50:21Z pfdietz_: Slides are in the CVS tree at gnu.org
2018-02-18T21:52:31Z pfdietz_: cvs.savannah gnu.org/viewvc/gcl/gcl/ansi-tests/doc/ilc2005-slides.pdf
2018-02-18T21:52:39Z Xof: Thanks!
2018-02-18T21:52:55Z Xof: I chose the wrong day to start writing an ELS2018 submission :-/
2018-02-18T21:53:36Z pfdietz_: The great thing about deadlines is the whooshing noise they make as they fly past.
2018-02-18T21:55:44Z Xof: I only remembered that this was a thing when the mail came round to the committee saying "so should we extend the deadline, then?"
2018-02-18T21:55:46Z Xof: oops
2018-02-18T21:56:41Z pfdietz_: Similar brinksmanship on #clasp
2018-02-18T21:57:12Z pfdietz_: Waiting for that to gel enough so I can torture it.
2018-02-18T22:00:07Z stassats: i could bring it down just by entering random forms in the repl
2018-02-18T22:02:33Z pfdietz_: I did Toy with cmucl a bit recently, sent in some bug reports.
2018-02-18T22:07:57Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #1958: FAILURE in 2 min 48 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/1958/
2018-02-18T22:08:21Z stassats: git
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2018-02-18T22:34:59Z stassats: managed to change the internal error encoding
2018-02-18T22:35:14Z stassats: turns out now you have to change the disassembler upfront as well
2018-02-18T22:36:31Z stassats: 64KB for all the trouble
2018-02-18T22:38:03Z stassats: considering it's one byte per internal error, that's not too bad
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2018-02-18T23:20:21Z stacksmith: How much of a space overhead can I expect for simple-vectors?
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2018-02-18T23:51:13Z stassats: stacksmith: two words
2018-02-19T00:01:03Z stacksmith: Thanks
2018-02-19T00:01:20Z stassats: or two and a half words on average
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2018-02-19T11:05:07Z guicho: looking for a way to conveniently annotate a particular code point in #'disassemble. Currently I'm trying (print :x) because it is obvious, but needs a better way
2018-02-19T11:08:05Z guicho: what's better is to annotate the beginning of the inlined function
2018-02-19T11:11:00Z guicho: and maybe VOP too
2018-02-19T11:15:22Z guicho: ... looks like inst-printer is a static function for each instruction
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2018-02-19T15:00:50Z stassats`: ugh, hppa breaks the pattern
2018-02-19T15:01:11Z stassats`: easy to solve, but i don't have hppa to test on, so will not perform the change there
2018-02-19T15:04:01Z stassats`: ok, mips does too, so i'll have to change the scheme
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2018-02-19T15:05:02Z stassats`: the sourceforge git is extremely slow
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2018-02-19T15:42:31Z stassats`: too many magic numbers, i will not bother with hppa and who really cares
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2018-02-19T19:22:33Z pfdietz_: HP stop support of hppa servers five years ago.  Why should it still be in sbcl?
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2018-02-19T20:27:57Z stassats`: i wonder if CC is still broken on darwin
2018-02-19T20:30:58Z xristos: somebody posted here about single stepping being broken under lldb a couple of days ago
2018-02-19T20:31:27Z xristos: i tried an inline breakpoint yesterday which breaks into lldb but single stepping after that hangs
2018-02-19T20:31:34Z xristos: i'm passing all signals through
2018-02-19T20:32:26Z stassats`: that's probably saying more about lldb
2018-02-19T20:32:32Z stassats`: i dread using it
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2018-02-19T23:00:16Z rpg: I'm trying to test the new ASDF on a system where the load times out.  To see if it'
2018-02-19T23:00:30Z stassats: your message timed out
2018-02-19T23:00:47Z rpg: s ASDF's fault, I'd like to set a timeout, and when it happens get a backtrace.  Anyone able to tell me how to do that?
2018-02-19T23:00:54Z rpg: stassats: sorry, bumped the returnkey
2018-02-19T23:01:09Z stassats: sb-ext:with-timeout will do
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2018-02-19T23:08:50Z rpg: stassats: Thanks!  Quick follow-up.  If I just call (print-backtrace) in a handler to timeout will that work? I'm a little confused by print-backtrace, since it takes FRAME arguments, instead of conditions.
2018-02-19T23:09:53Z stassats: well, backtraces are about frames, not conditions
2018-02-19T23:10:22Z rpg: can I extract the frame from the condition?
2018-02-19T23:12:08Z stassats: what are you trying to achieve?
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2018-02-19T23:12:36Z rpg: I'd like to see what's on the stack when the timeout is issued, to see if it's ASDF going batty, or something in the system it's trying to load.
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2018-02-19T23:13:14Z stassats: you'll need the whole backtrace
2018-02-19T23:14:35Z rpg: so just PRINT-BACKTRACE with :COUNT NIL
2018-02-19T23:14:36Z rpg: ?
2018-02-19T23:15:14Z stassats: well, i doubt you'll have more than 1000 frames, but yes
2018-02-19T23:16:01Z rpg: stassats: I wasn't sure from the docstring if NIL would give me "unlimited" or *BACKTRACE-FRAME-COUNT*
2018-02-19T23:16:26Z stassats: well, it would just break it
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2018-02-20T00:00:36Z lonjil: I just experienced what might be a very serious bug in 1.4.4
2018-02-20T00:01:09Z lonjil: An (or ...) in a library I use isn't short-circuiting
2018-02-20T00:01:30Z stassats: if a bug looks very serious it probably means it's not a bug
2018-02-20T00:02:15Z lonjil: (or (null var) (foo var)) is raising an error from #'foo tha var is NIL
2018-02-20T00:02:36Z lonjil: Working in 1.4.1
2018-02-20T00:03:26Z lonjil: And the library in question is CEPL
2018-02-20T00:05:13Z lonjil: In the function cepl.vaos:make-vao-from-id, if anyone wants to test it
2018-02-20T00:06:23Z stassats: i want to test, but i can't, since you're not providing a test case
2018-02-20T00:08:24Z lonjil: Hang on, I'm making an MWE
2018-02-20T00:11:47Z lonjil: stassats: (ql:quickload :cepl.sdl2) (cepl:repl) (cepl:make-buffer-stream nil)
2018-02-20T00:12:51Z stassats: Cepl.Host: Init could not be found. Have you loaded a host?
2018-02-20T00:13:29Z lonjil: Hm, cepl.sdl2 should've loaded the sdl2 host
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2018-02-20T00:15:21Z stassats: i can just do (cepl.vaos:make-vao nil nil)
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2018-02-20T00:32:53Z attila_lendvai: or if a bug looks very puzzling, then it's often a package issue
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2018-02-20T00:36:43Z stassats: or a safety 0 issue with a type mismatch
2018-02-20T00:36:55Z stassats: which this thing looks like
2018-02-20T00:39:37Z stassats: after doing (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 3) i get Values [NIL] from CEPL.CONTEXT::BUFFER in (CEPL.CONTEXT::SET-BUFFER-BOUND-STATIC #:CTX6 #:NEW1 0 34962) is not of the declared return type of the function (VALUES %CEPL.TYPES:GPU-BUFFER &REST T).
2018-02-20T00:39:46Z stassats: so, don't do (safety 0), kids
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2018-02-20T00:57:37Z stassats: ok, that's an hour of my time i'll never get back
2018-02-20T01:01:20Z stassats: yet i knew it was a dud, i should listen to myself
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2018-02-20T01:14:28Z stassats: but i need to extract some value from it, why didn't it warn at ct with safety 0?
2018-02-20T01:16:25Z stassats: ok, i see and can fix that bit
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2018-02-20T01:35:52Z stassats: and done, one less way people who abuse (safety 0) will going to bother me
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2018-02-20T09:56:31Z Baggers: 'The Python Compiler for CMU Common Lisp' says that 'all run-time values are stored in TNs'. Is this still true? (in sbcl ofc)
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2018-02-20T10:15:31Z Xof: I guess I should ask why you need to know
2018-02-20T10:16:22Z Xof: TNs are compiler-internal names that eventually get packed into registers or stack locations
2018-02-20T10:17:16Z Baggers: Xof: I'm just reading the compiler. Documentation is rather thin on the ground so I'm pulling info from wherever I can. 'all run-time values are stored in TNs' is nice in that it is a broad statement, but as most things have 'except in this case' I thought I would ask
2018-02-20T10:17:48Z Xof: so to the extent that everything is stored on or accessed from the stack or in registers, yes?  But "of course" most things aren't the thing itself but a pointer to the thing
2018-02-20T10:18:10Z Baggers: A lot can be inferred from the comments but usually it takes a bunch to pin down exactly what something is (and the is no guarantee that they are up to date)
2018-02-20T10:18:12Z Xof: so you don't put an array in a TN, but you do put the tagged lispobj/pointer to the array in a TN
2018-02-20T10:18:17Z Xof: Baggers: no argument there!
2018-02-20T10:18:42Z Xof: In fact TN might be something where we're not sure what the original acronym meant.  We might think that it is "temporary name" but I'm not sure we've ever had that confirmed
2018-02-20T10:20:16Z Baggers: Xof: thankyou, this definitely helps
2018-02-20T10:33:29Z Baggers: another very simple question. Is ir2-block sbcl's representation of a basic-block?
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2018-02-20T19:02:21Z stassats: trying to come up with a better scheme for funcall+sb-kernel:%coerce-callable-to-fun
2018-02-20T19:03:07Z stassats: if i have an assembly routine that does the coercion without disturbing any of the passing locations
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2018-02-20T19:04:31Z stassats: it would save on a call and on having to spill the arguments for the second call
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2018-02-20T19:09:49Z |3b| can't decide if the warning from (the integer (if (keywordp :a) 1 :a)) is reasonable or not (it complains :a isn't an integer, which it isn't, but it also is never returned from the IF)
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2018-02-20T19:11:53Z |3b|: or slightly more realistically, (let ((a :a)) (the integer (if (keywordp a) 1 a)))
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2018-02-20T19:14:28Z stassats: i think i don't even need to touch the return address
2018-02-20T19:15:24Z stassats: |3b|: it's (let ((a :a))(if (keywordp a) 1 (the integer a)))
2018-02-20T19:15:56Z |3b|: stassats: real code doesn't have THE at all, still reducing that
2018-02-20T19:16:09Z stassats: a cast of any sort
2018-02-20T19:16:19Z stassats: from any source, rather
2018-02-20T19:17:09Z |3b|: but (the integer (if t a :a)) doesn't complain
2018-02-20T19:17:51Z |3b|: with 1 instead of unbound a i mean
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2018-02-20T19:21:12Z |3b|: reduced 'real' code: (defun foo () (declare (optimize speed)) (let* ((a :a) (x (if (keywordp a) 1 a))) (alien-funcall (extern-alien "x" (function void int)) x)))
2018-02-20T19:21:21Z |3b|: only a style-warning for that
2018-02-20T19:21:31Z stassats: (if t a :a) gets decided at ir1 translate time
2018-02-20T19:21:49Z stassats: (think macroexpand time)
2018-02-20T19:21:58Z |3b|: in the real code, A is argument to an inlined function
2018-02-20T19:22:27Z |3b|: (and it does a bit more work to figure out the actual # instead of literal 1 if that matters)
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2018-02-20T19:24:49Z stassats: i don't think that anything can be done for that warning
2018-02-20T19:25:02Z stassats: keywordp isn't folded, because you can unintern the symbol
2018-02-20T19:26:20Z |3b|: hmm, and replacing that with symbol still leaves a code deletion note in simplified test
2018-02-20T19:26:25Z |3b|: with symbolp
2018-02-20T19:30:01Z |3b|: looks like no notes in real code though, thanks
2018-02-20T19:30:32Z |3b|: presumably faster too, if keywordp wasn't folded and symbolp is
2018-02-20T19:32:11Z |3b|: though that keywordp might be from cffi, so a bit more work to replace it
2018-02-20T19:33:26Z aeth: Could typecase/etypecase be better?
2018-02-20T19:34:59Z |3b| doesn't think it would matter there
2018-02-20T19:44:56Z aeth: I usually try as many equivalent forms as possible. Sometimes they differ in unexpected ways.
2018-02-20T19:45:59Z |3b|: well, wouldn't affect whether keywordp was foldable, so i'd rather just switch that to symbolp anyway :)
2018-02-20T19:46:22Z |3b|: unfortunately it isn't in my code :/
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2018-02-20T19:57:12Z stassats: (progn (unintern :a :keyword) (let ((a :a)) (the integer (if (keywordp a) 1 a)))) => "The value #:A is not of type INTEGER"
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2018-02-20T19:58:53Z |3b|: stassats: yeah, i no longer expect it to be folded :)
2018-02-20T20:00:51Z stassats: now, how to turn (funcall anything) into using my special vop, even for a PoC
2018-02-20T20:01:11Z |3b| is trying to figure out if i should try to convince CFFI to replace that keywordp with symbol, or just hack around it in my code
2018-02-20T20:01:56Z stassats: need to avoid inserting %coerce-callable-to-fun, but then everything in the compiler will break, assuming the combination fun is a function
2018-02-20T20:02:19Z stassats: do it at ir2-convert time, but %coerce-callable-to-fun may already be converted
2018-02-20T20:04:07Z stassats: or when converting %coerce-callable-to-fun i can emit nothing and mark the parent call as accepting any callable
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2018-02-20T20:12:33Z |3b|: and apparently KEYWORDP isn't even right there in cffi, since it accepts non-keyword symbols as enum names, so i guess that is the right place to fix it :/
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2018-02-20T21:44:49Z stassats: somehow defining an ir2-convert optimizer breaks %lvar-%externally-checkable-type
2018-02-20T21:44:51Z stassats: relaxes
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2018-02-20T23:10:22Z stassats: managed to call my special vop for (funcall anything) and wrote some assembly code that can call a symbol
2018-02-20T23:11:11Z stassats: and it's a bit faster on #'fun and twice as fast on 'fun, but that's when i inline the symbol case
2018-02-20T23:11:51Z stassats: i will probably call an assembly routine, but leave the function case inlined
2018-02-20T23:12:47Z stassats: and i'm not doing all the error checks for the symbol case
2018-02-20T23:19:37Z stassats: good enough for a PoC, faster and more compact, especially not having to spill registers
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2018-02-20T23:31:48Z stassats: if symbol-fdefn could go not through the info vector, but through a slot in the symbol, things could be faster and more compact
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2018-02-21T08:44:24Z flip214: minion: memo for stassats: I'm sorry, hunchentoot#133 was a bad (mixed-up?) commit. Please see https://github.com/phmarek/hunchentoot/commit/91a56ca35d9f16a2c37cb9ec8c920356cae8019c.
2018-02-21T08:44:24Z minion: Remembered. I'll tell stassats when he/she/it next speaks.
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2018-02-21T11:14:56Z stassats: flip214: no problem, we do have releases for edicl, we're not savages
2018-02-21T11:14:56Z minion: stassats, memo from flip214: I'm sorry, hunchentoot#133 was a bad (mixed-up?) commit. Please see https://github.com/phmarek/hunchentoot/commit/91a56ca35d9f16a2c37cb9ec8c920356cae8019c.
2018-02-21T11:16:43Z flip214: stassats: thanks a lot for your patience, help, and guidance!
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2018-02-21T13:17:32Z pfdietz_: Ouch.
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2018-02-21T13:26:46Z stassats: but i just added a slot, the old info vector slot with the fdefn is still there
2018-02-21T13:28:35Z stassats: there are 28910 symbols
2018-02-21T13:28:54Z stassats: 12447 of them fbound
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2018-02-21T18:47:28Z stassats: but now i have a bit of a problem when to decide to forgo %coerce-callable-to-fun
2018-02-21T18:47:45Z stassats: since it may be in a loop (let ((x (%coerce-callable-to-fun))) (loop (funcall x)))
2018-02-21T18:48:20Z stassats: immediately-used-p doesn't work, because the arguments to the function are evaluated after the function
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2018-02-21T18:52:03Z stassats: i can make the usual funcall into (funcall (%coerce-callable-for-call)), so that there's no confusion between the two variants
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2018-02-22T00:11:40Z stassats: that took a bit of time to sort out, but (funcall x) should perform better on x86-64
2018-02-22T00:16:28Z stassats: i'll only have enough energy to do the same for arm64
2018-02-22T00:21:42Z whoman: cool~
2018-02-22T00:29:23Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1968: FAILURE in 14 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1968/
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2018-02-22T00:49:28Z stassats: and why would it fail? will check out tomorrow
2018-02-22T00:50:02Z stassats: possible with -immobile-code
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2018-02-22T01:34:33Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-22T01:34:34Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1969: FIXED in 29 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1969/
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2018-02-22T17:06:59Z stassats: that would be me, i haven't noticed anything different when committing
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2018-02-22T20:38:58Z scymtym__: stassats: sure. changing the shape of the configuration matrix might destroy all historic build records, though. but i can try what actually happens beforehand
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2018-02-22T20:41:22Z stassats: i have nothing more to add, just trying to stave off global warming
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2018-02-23T16:23:10Z angelo: please, help. Try to quickload a project with this code inside using latest sbcl: https://pastebin.com/4aBNyU8R
2018-02-23T16:24:55Z angelo: it freezes sbcl dropping into ldb
2018-02-23T16:26:20Z angelo: :(
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2018-02-23T16:30:36Z |3b|: angelo: what is the error message?
2018-02-23T16:34:39Z angelo: https://pastebin.com/zAcjAMYE
2018-02-23T16:34:59Z angelo: in the *inferior-lisp* buffer
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2018-02-23T16:37:14Z angelo: |3b|: ok?
2018-02-23T16:38:03Z angelo: maybe a bug in the sbcl?
2018-02-23T16:39:11Z |3b|: that just says you ran out of memory, which usually isn't an SBCL bug
2018-02-23T16:39:26Z angelo: only to load the source?
2018-02-23T16:39:37Z angelo: the bug happened when loading the code
2018-02-23T16:39:49Z angelo: not during its execution
2018-02-23T16:39:56Z |3b|: well, your paste doesn't include enough context to tell
2018-02-23T16:40:07Z |3b|: you just show a loop, which if loaded would allocate memory
2018-02-23T16:40:23Z |3b|: maybe that's in a function so won't be evaluated when loaded, or maybe not... no way to tell from paste
2018-02-23T16:41:11Z |3b|: and doesn't include enough context for anyone else to try to load it to debug either
2018-02-23T16:45:20Z angelo: https://pastebin.com/vZMXYH9j
2018-02-23T16:45:38Z angelo: this is the lisp file with all the code
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2018-02-23T17:04:15Z |3b|: angelo: ok, looks like that function is hard to compile for some reason, so possibly something odd happening
2018-02-23T17:05:21Z |3b|: what version of sbcl are you using?
2018-02-23T17:11:42Z |3b| would say if i can compile a whole sbcl faster than a 52 line function, something is wrong :p
2018-02-23T17:13:12Z |3b| wonders when sbcl got the ability to install over a running sbcl on windows... nice change :)
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2018-02-23T17:30:38Z |3b|: reduced test case, seems to get stuck in constraint propagation indefinitely (defun foo (a b) (check-type a list) (when a (mapcar #'identity a) (loop for c from 0 do (loop for d in b do (loop for e in a)))))
2018-02-23T17:33:06Z |3b|: and uses large amounts of ram in the process (6+GB currently)
2018-02-23T17:33:44Z |3b|: same on current x8664 windows, and x8664 linux 1.3.21.196
2018-02-23T17:35:00Z |3b|: compiles instantly on x86 linux 1.1.6.6
2018-02-23T17:37:42Z |3b|: angelo: yeah, that looks like an sbcl problem to me. as a temporary workaround you might try removing the (check-type prosumer-data list)
2018-02-23T17:40:00Z |3b| ran out of heap on reduced case with 16gb heap
2018-02-23T17:55:57Z |3b|: and apparently running that on linux box with only 8GB of ram was a bad idea :/
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2018-02-23T18:10:56Z |3b|: angelo: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/1751333
2018-02-23T18:11:20Z Posterdati: hi
2018-02-23T18:11:22Z Posterdati: it was me
2018-02-23T18:11:25Z Posterdati: angelo
2018-02-23T18:12:06Z Posterdati: |3b|: I did git pull and recompiled before posting
2018-02-23T18:13:17Z Posterdati: |3b|: ok I'll try
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2018-02-23T18:28:06Z stassats: i know what causes it
2018-02-23T18:28:27Z stassats: a fix to another runaway constraint propagation issue
2018-02-23T18:34:00Z stassats: of course, the original test case no longer fails
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2018-02-23T19:09:48Z stassats`: i guess i could try fixing it again on an older version of sbcl
2018-02-23T19:11:02Z stassats`: or reverting the fix and waiting for things to break and give me a test case
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2018-02-23T19:48:48Z stassats`: something got broken on mips around internal errors, but it's non-deterministic
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2018-02-23T20:37:47Z stassats`: very weird, when i encounter the error and try to decode it again, it's decoded with no problems
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2018-02-23T21:04:37Z stassats`: well, internal-error-args behaves completely wildly on mips, sometimes context-pc is bogus
2018-02-23T21:05:37Z stassats`: trying a different mips machine, this looks like a single bit flip
2018-02-23T21:08:34Z stassats`: same thing
2018-02-23T21:12:10Z stassats`: it's calling into c, maybe it gets the spilled value gets corrupted
2018-02-23T21:14:14Z stassats`: writing it into a variable beforehand, it's still corrupted
2018-02-23T21:14:35Z stassats`: oh wait, it's being moved by the gc, innit
2018-02-23T21:14:36Z stassats`: duh
2018-02-23T21:20:07Z stassats`: sb-sys:without-gcing helps, but i'd rather pin the function, but how do i do that, i only have the pc, don't really want to call into component_ptr_from_pc
2018-02-23T21:21:50Z stassats`: but i guess there's no way around that
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2018-02-23T21:36:12Z stassats`: is it only a problem on cheneygc?
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2018-02-24T00:24:23Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T00:24:23Z corci: Project sbcl-cross-build-master » ppc,ubuntu_xenial_64bit build #180: FIXED in 9 min 59 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-cross-build-master/architecture=ppc,label=ubuntu_xenial_64bit/180/
2018-02-24T00:26:48Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T00:26:48Z corci: Project sbcl-cross-build-master » mips,ubuntu_xenial_64bit build #180: FIXED in 12 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-cross-build-master/architecture=mips,label=ubuntu_xenial_64bit/180/
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2018-02-24T05:03:24Z jack_rabbit: Hello. Is anyone else getting 502 errors on sbcl.org? http://sbcl.org/
2018-02-24T05:23:23Z |3b|: looks like sourceforge is having problems again
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2018-02-24T12:32:24Z stassats: oh boy, with-pinned-objects on cheneygc is just without-gcing
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2018-02-24T13:08:01Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-threads,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3046: FAILURE in 4 min 30 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-threads,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3046/
2018-02-24T13:08:02Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-unicode,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3046: FAILURE in 4 min 31 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-unicode,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3046/
2018-02-24T13:08:05Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3046: FAILURE in 4 min 34 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3046/
2018-02-24T13:08:05Z corci: Project sbcl-master » default,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3046: FAILURE in 4 min 35 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=default,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3046/
2018-02-24T13:08:08Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3046: FAILURE in 4 min 37 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3046/
2018-02-24T13:08:41Z stassats: what now
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2018-02-24T13:16:38Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #1978: FAILURE in 16 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/1978/
2018-02-24T13:19:34Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1978: FAILURE in 19 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1978/
2018-02-24T13:26:52Z stassats: that'll teach me, touching multiple backends
2018-02-24T13:27:06Z stassats: especially the slow ones like mips
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2018-02-24T13:33:21Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-threads,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3047: FIXED in 14 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-threads,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3047/
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2018-02-24T13:38:46Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T13:38:46Z corci: Project sbcl-master » without-unicode,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3047: FIXED in 20 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=without-unicode,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3047/
2018-02-24T13:39:26Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T13:39:27Z corci: Project sbcl-master » default,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3047: FIXED in 20 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=default,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3047/
2018-02-24T13:39:56Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T13:39:56Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3047: FIXED in 21 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3047/
2018-02-24T13:40:16Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-24T13:40:17Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_32bit build #3047: FIXED in 21 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_32bit/3047/
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2018-02-24T13:56:11Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #1979: FIXED in 36 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/1979/
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2018-02-24T14:30:44Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1980: FIXED in 34 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1980/
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2018-02-24T22:59:56Z Xof: Yippee, paper submitted!
2018-02-24T23:00:12Z Xof: being on strike has massively increased my productivity
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2018-02-24T23:00:56Z Shinmera: \o/
2018-02-24T23:01:14Z Shinmera: Xof: That's for ELS, yeah?
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2018-02-25T01:26:41Z pfdietz: I believe it is, yes.
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2018-02-25T02:14:46Z guicho: If you have time, I wish someone will correct the content in this article: https://github.com/guicho271828/sbcl-wiki/wiki/Object-representation-(immediate,-objects,-arrays)#saet--specialized-array-element-type
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2018-02-25T08:21:16Z phoe: On SBCL, I have several worker threads. One of them is taking up 100% of all CPU. How can identify which thread it is, and eventually gets its associated thread object?
2018-02-25T08:21:43Z phoe: Is there some kind of mapping from the IDs assigned by the operating system to threads, to actual SBCL thread objects?
2018-02-25T08:38:14Z phoe: I could theoretically make a function that consecutively calls (interrupt-thread thread #'break) on all thread objects, also printing them out for me. And I can watch when the CPU goes down.
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2018-02-25T11:51:35Z stassats: guicho: fixnums are 63 bit
2018-02-25T11:52:16Z stassats: > Functions declared to return a specific subtype of float also seems to be able to return immediate floats.
2018-02-25T11:52:21Z stassats: i don't know what you mean by this
2018-02-25T11:53:28Z stassats: the tags do not consume 3 bits, other immediate lowtags have 8 bit tags, like characters or single floats
2018-02-25T11:55:40Z guicho: hmm... the comment says x00 -- fixnum  x10 -- other-immediate  001 -- instance-pointer, is this for other arch?
2018-02-25T11:56:02Z stassats: that's 32-bit
2018-02-25T11:56:13Z guicho: 8 bit tags are widetags, right?
2018-02-25T11:56:24Z guicho: ok
2018-02-25T11:57:05Z stassats: (format t "~b" (sb-kernel:get-lisp-obj-address 1f0)) => 11111110000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011001
2018-02-25T11:57:28Z guicho: that's another useful (and dangerous) function, thanks
2018-02-25T11:57:39Z stassats: dangerous?
2018-02-25T11:57:51Z guicho: (not supposed to play around with normally :) )
2018-02-25T11:59:30Z stassats: and >I used to think that widetags are stored in the unused 16 bits of a pointer, but it does not seem the case.
2018-02-25T11:59:50Z stassats: you need to know what an object is when scanning the heap, the tag needs to be stored alongside the object
2018-02-25T12:00:29Z guicho: yes, that makes sense
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2018-02-25T12:01:29Z guicho: There are many things I wasn't sure about, but what I couldn't particularly figure out is the MOV RAX, [RSI+17] part in Example 1.
2018-02-25T12:02:39Z stassats: simple-array-nil is supper silly, i hate it
2018-02-25T12:04:23Z stassats: guicho: it's [pointer+other-pointer-low-tag]-other-pointer-low-tag+4*8 = (+ -15 32) => 17
2018-02-25T12:06:52Z stassats: and (%array-data a) is not a very good way to go to the data array
2018-02-25T12:07:11Z stassats: since it doesn't work well for displaced arrays
2018-02-25T12:07:37Z stassats: besides, there's an exported interface SB-EXT:ARRAY-STORAGE-VECTOR (doesn't work for displaced arrays either)
2018-02-25T12:08:00Z stassats: sb-kernel:with-array-data does
2018-02-25T12:09:20Z stassats: but instead of bother with either, just don't use multi-dimensional arrays, they are always going to be slower
2018-02-25T12:09:41Z guicho: %array-data doesn't work: I see, because you have to call %array-data several times?
2018-02-25T12:10:13Z guicho: 17 << thank you
2018-02-25T12:10:13Z stassats: yes
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2018-02-25T12:11:21Z stassats: guicho: and [RAX+1] didn't surprise you?
2018-02-25T12:12:19Z stassats: it's the same way, but it's accessing the third element in the vector
2018-02-25T12:12:31Z stassats: the first is the header, then goes the length
2018-02-25T12:12:35Z stassats: so, -15+16
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2018-02-25T12:14:24Z guicho: I thought +1 is just a sort of offset for some random meta information
2018-02-25T12:14:56Z stassats: and the headers store some other information, not just widetags
2018-02-25T12:15:19Z stassats: different for different objects
2018-02-25T12:15:43Z stassats: but you have 24/56 bits to play with
2018-02-25T12:16:19Z guicho: I wish I had a fully visualized layout maps for every primitive objects
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2018-02-25T12:17:15Z stassats: and conses have no widetags
2018-02-25T12:17:38Z stassats: all the lowtags are arranged in a way that they are never overlapping with any of the widetags
2018-02-25T12:18:03Z stassats: so if you see a word that doesn't look like a widetag, then it's a cons with two words
2018-02-25T12:18:06Z guicho: stassats: are the headers you mention array headers, or the general object header? >> and the headers store some other information, not just widetags
2018-02-25T12:18:09Z stassats: (or a forwarding pointer, which is just 1)
2018-02-25T12:19:54Z stassats: guicho: general headers, array headers have headers too, and they have the array rank there
2018-02-25T12:20:51Z stassats: well, not exactly like that, it's a general boxed object size, the number of words the object consumes, but it's used to calculate the array-rank by subtracting the non-rank slots
2018-02-25T12:21:51Z stassats: hmm, i could change it to store array-rank as a fixnum there, but i don't think array-rank is used that much
2018-02-25T12:22:59Z stassats: ok, it's used for type-checking the array
2018-02-25T12:23:01Z stassats: so, maybe i will
2018-02-25T12:27:43Z stassats: guicho: see also: sb-kernel:widetag-of
2018-02-25T12:27:53Z stassats: and sb-kernel:get-header-data
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2018-02-25T12:52:26Z smokeink: hello! Why does (step (/ 1 0)) give this strange error? : -314789226 fell through ETYPECASE expression. Wanted one of (SB-KERNEL:FDEFN FUNCTION) backtrace:  (SB-DI::HANDLE-SINGLE-STE ,   ("foreign function: call_into_lisp, ("foreign function: funcall2"  , ("foreign function: handle_single_step_trap  ?
2018-02-25T12:53:14Z stassats: cause i may have broken it
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2018-02-25T12:55:54Z phoe: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/729#729
2018-02-25T12:55:57Z phoe: seems broken, yep
2018-02-25T13:00:10Z stassats: i did not, phew
2018-02-25T13:00:22Z stassats: well, not this release
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2018-02-25T14:27:16Z stassats: ok, handle-single-step-around-trap can't handle static calls
2018-02-25T14:27:48Z stassats: i kinda see how to fix it on x86-64, but this is a freeze, so i'll just disable step instrumenting for static calls
2018-02-25T14:28:04Z stassats: (and then, i don't do stepping)
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2018-02-25T14:41:15Z stassats: ok, (step (/ 1 0)) should no longer work, which means it also doesn't crash
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2018-02-25T15:15:53Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #1986: FAILURE in 4 min 25 sec: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/1986/
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2018-02-25T16:21:59Z phoe: weird CI logs, looks like networking issues
2018-02-25T16:22:10Z phoe: it failed while cloning from git
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2018-02-25T17:35:09Z scymtym_: yes, this is actually pretty common with sourceforge
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2018-02-25T21:24:54Z stylewarning: sourceforge is such junk.
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2018-02-25T23:02:58Z pfdietz: Demand a refund? :)
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2018-02-26T06:10:03Z parjanya: is sbcl.org responsive at all?
2018-02-26T06:11:39Z |3b|: i think it is hosted on sourceforge, which has been moving servers or something recently... looks like it is up now though
2018-02-26T06:12:09Z parjanya: ah, yes... it wasn’t answering just a few seconds ago :)
2018-02-26T06:12:15Z |3b|: apparently todays problem was a DDOS or something
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2018-02-26T11:01:18Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-26T11:01:18Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_32bit build #1989: FIXED in 33 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_32bit/1989/
2018-02-26T11:04:13Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-26T11:04:13Z corci: Project sbcl-master-windows » Windows_7_64bit build #1989: FIXED in 36 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master-windows/label=Windows_7_64bit/1989/
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2018-02-26T12:59:49Z ckonstanski: I'm having an issue with *package*. Please consider the following code:
2018-02-26T12:59:55Z ckonstanski: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/eDTkWesBYnPbmxEvNskz/
2018-02-26T13:00:41Z ckonstanski: The last method, `serialize', references *package* in the keyword list. Even though we're in th package #:blog, it reutrns COMMON-LISP-USER.
2018-02-26T13:00:57Z ckonstanski: I first wrote this code 5 years ago. It worked correctly then. Now it does not.
2018-02-26T13:01:09Z ckonstanski: Is this an intentional behavior change or a bug?
2018-02-26T13:07:35Z jdz: It looks like a bug in the code.
2018-02-26T13:08:13Z jdz: "we're in the package #:blog" assumption is wrong.
2018-02-26T13:08:42Z jdz: The code is in "BLOG" package, but *PACKAGE* may have whatever value at runtime.
2018-02-26T13:09:02Z Shinmera: *package* is bound at run-time. I presume you want to preserve the compile-time value, for which you can use #.*package*
2018-02-26T13:09:16Z jdz: ckonstanski: maybe instead of default (package-name *package*) you should have had just "BLOG"?
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2018-02-26T13:09:54Z ckonstanski: Thanks! I'll try that! I don't want to hardcode the name if I can help it. Let me try your other trick first.
2018-02-26T13:09:57Z Shinmera: jdz: That spills names, which is bad for the very unlikely (but still possible) case of the package getting renamed.
2018-02-26T13:10:23Z jdz: Shinmera: yes, I agree your suggestion is better.
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2018-02-26T13:19:04Z ckonstanski: Verified to work. Thanks! I vaguely remember something about this reader macro in On Lip. Time to refresh my memory.
2018-02-26T13:20:05Z ckonstanski: BTW typing in the dark is hard. Sorry for the typos.
2018-02-26T13:22:48Z Shinmera: #. evaluates at read-time, meaning the literal package object at read-time is dumped to the fasl.
2018-02-26T13:27:39Z stassats: why is the package used at all?
2018-02-26T13:28:08Z stassats: the symbol is there, it has a package
2018-02-26T13:28:10Z Xof: ok, so.  sbcl commitmail is currently not working.  sourceforge shell access is currently not working, so I can't look at the sourceforge repo to see what the hooks look like
2018-02-26T13:28:20Z Xof: some mail is being rejected by sbcl-devel
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2018-02-26T13:28:48Z Xof: there are intermittent ssh failures when developers (and CI) try to clone or pull
2018-02-26T13:28:53Z Xof: looks like I picked the wrong week to be on strike
2018-02-26T13:29:05Z ckonstanski: Last night I could not send mail to sbcl-help. Kept getting "unknown user".
2018-02-26T13:30:35Z ckonstanski: I could try to remove the package. But when I last looked at this code (5 years ago) it didn't work without it. This code serializes CLOS objects for writing to a database (for database-backed user session persistence in a webapp). When I deserialize the object I use this:
2018-02-26T13:30:51Z ckonstanski: (eval (read-from-string form))
2018-02-26T13:31:27Z stassats: does that serialize method even work?
2018-02-26T13:31:33Z stassats: its body doesn't make any sense
2018-02-26T13:31:52Z stassats: ok, i misread it a bit
2018-02-26T13:31:59Z ckonstanski: Maybe it's the same problem again? `eval' is executing in a runtime environment where BLOG isn't the current package?
2018-02-26T13:32:05Z stassats: but it's very strange, still
2018-02-26T13:32:39Z ckonstanski: Hey, I learned lisp in a vacuum. Not exactly a ton of other lisp coders around.
2018-02-26T13:34:48Z stassats: aren't there any ready made serialization solutions?
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2018-02-26T13:38:45Z stassats: sb-mop:slot-definition-initargs is to be used instead, but even then, the slot may have no initarg
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2018-02-27T05:53:48Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3051: FAILURE in 6 hr 40 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3051/
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2018-02-27T11:13:26Z stassats: dougk_: a misguided attempt to make it available for other packages
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2018-02-27T11:19:28Z Xach: sure
2018-02-27T11:19:56Z stassats: what is sure?
2018-02-27T11:20:04Z scymtym_: <Xach> scymtym: so there is a significant slowdown in 1.4.5-prerelease
2018-02-27T11:20:09Z Xach: scymtym asked to continue a conversation here from #lisp
2018-02-27T11:20:13Z scymtym_: <Xach> scymtym: it takes 1.5 times longer than 1.4.4. i am looking at individual project timings now.
2018-02-27T11:20:38Z Xach: to build everything, 1.4.4 takes 4958 seconds, 1.4.5 pre takes 7498 seconds
2018-02-27T11:20:49Z Xach: that is for single, individual runs.
2018-02-27T11:20:58Z Xach: i'm going to look for bad eggs amongst the individual project timings
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2018-02-27T11:23:45Z Xach: Hmm! mcclim is the main culprit.
2018-02-27T11:24:20Z Xach: it increased in build time from 78 seconds to 1158 seconds. i wonder if that can be easily reproduced.
2018-02-27T11:24:22Z stassats: dougk_: so i can remove any (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :execute) ..) and it won't appear in the final image?
2018-02-27T11:24:41Z jackdaniel: impossible! mcclim is a good citizen :)
2018-02-27T11:25:03Z scymtym_: Xach: is this for same mcclim version but different sbcl versions?
2018-02-27T11:25:10Z Xach: scymtym_: Yes
2018-02-27T11:26:45Z scymtym_: Xach: that's what i thought, just wanted to be sure
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2018-02-27T11:29:44Z stassats: it takes 40 seconds to load mcclim with all the dependencies
2018-02-27T11:34:25Z stassats: and (ql:quickload :mcclim) from scratch is 61 seconds
2018-02-27T11:34:49Z Xach: Hmm
2018-02-27T11:35:10Z Xach: I am seeing long delays in complation that are not reflected in the "; compilation finished in XX:YY:ZZ" timing output
2018-02-27T11:35:23Z Xach: Simply long delays with no output between files
2018-02-27T11:36:13Z scymtym_: Xach: is this reproducible in your setup or was only a single run affected?
2018-02-27T11:36:35Z stassats: slow disk access?
2018-02-27T11:36:38Z Xach: scymtym_: so far it is reproducible.
2018-02-27T11:36:55Z Xach: stassats: it was not slow in 1.4.4
2018-02-27T11:37:01Z stassats: what's your heap size?
2018-02-27T11:37:12Z Xach: Hmm, let me check.
2018-02-27T11:37:48Z Xach: using --dynamic-space-size 4000 on 64 bit (i don't recall how i chose that value)
2018-02-27T11:38:23Z stassats: am i getting the same code from the latest quicklisp release or you have updated projects?
2018-02-27T11:38:52Z Xach: stassats: i am using bleeding edge git versions of everything. i can provide a tarball that has everything if needed.
2018-02-27T11:39:22Z stassats: (time (ql:quickload :mcclim :verbose t)) still 36 seconds with 4GB
2018-02-27T11:39:38Z stassats: Xach: that would probably have a better chance at reproducing
2018-02-27T11:40:17Z stassats: i'm having a not exactly vanilla sbcl build, let me rebuild
2018-02-27T11:41:22Z scymtym_: Xach: you could try running sbcl under "perf trace …" and see whether it flags slow system calls?
2018-02-27T11:43:09Z Xach: what is the glyph after "trace"? My poor 7x14 doesn't have it.
2018-02-27T11:43:51Z scymtym_: Xach: unicode horizontal ellipsis, i should just have used "..."
2018-02-27T11:43:55Z Xach: Ok
2018-02-27T11:44:51Z stassats: uhhmmm
2018-02-27T11:44:52Z stassats: what
2018-02-27T11:45:02Z stassats: ; compiling (DEFUN NEXT ...)fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 32054(tid 0x7ffff7fc3e80):
2018-02-27T11:45:02Z stassats: no scavenge function for object 0x1 (widetag 0x1)
2018-02-27T11:46:29Z scymtym_: Xach: something like perf trace --duration 100 PATH-TO-SBCL YOUR-OPTIONS
2018-02-27T11:46:30Z stassats: after i rebuilt without any additional features
2018-02-27T11:47:12Z stassats: this is worse than a slow down...
2018-02-27T11:48:13Z stassats: like, stop a release worse
2018-02-27T11:49:41Z stassats: and i only had sb-devel, sb-dynamic-core and sb-qshow
2018-02-27T11:50:07Z Xach: mcclim the canary
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2018-02-27T11:51:48Z stassats: checked out 9caee9b7ae4fff7d47261d1e01936fcec07a105d and builds just fine
2018-02-27T11:52:47Z stassats: why were there any changes after the freeze?
2018-02-27T11:53:39Z Xach: scymtym_: it's going to take a bit of fiddling to get perf set up
2018-02-27T11:54:10Z scymtym_: Xach: yeah, unfortunately. if you can, the easiest way is just running it as root
2018-02-27T11:58:29Z Xof: looks like I picked the wrong week to try to release sbcl
2018-02-27T11:58:54Z Xach: I tested without the polite email this time!
2018-02-27T11:59:13Z scymtym_: for master, i see a bunch futex syscalls taking more than 100 ms that weren't there before. nothing that would that the build from one minute to many minutes, though. maybe the new finalization thread?
2018-02-27T11:59:16Z Xof: no time to be polite while on the picket lines
2018-02-27T11:59:41Z Xof: what do we want?  A sustainable lisp-based software ecosystem?  When do we want it?  The 1970s!
2018-02-27T12:00:18Z stassats: i almost bisected the forwarding pointer issue
2018-02-27T12:00:53Z stassats: doing the last check build
2018-02-27T12:02:02Z stassats: although looking at the commit, it doesn't make sense for it to fail
2018-02-27T12:02:37Z stassats: yet it fails reliably
2018-02-27T12:05:35Z stassats: zero sense
2018-02-27T12:07:02Z Xach: stassats: are you using mcclim from quicklisp to observe the failure?
2018-02-27T12:07:08Z stassats: yes
2018-02-27T12:07:19Z scymtym_: ok, it is the finalizer thread
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2018-02-27T12:09:48Z stassats:  ef4035bab1fb809f5b7249600dbe47db934a4fab fails, but it doesn't change anything that ends up in the build process
2018-02-27T12:11:07Z stassats: the git hash can't cause it, can it?
2018-02-27T12:15:16Z scymtym_: stassats: is applying only the change to src/runtime/GNUmakefile enough to make it fail?
2018-02-27T12:15:23Z stassats: might just be this craze, i'm modifying version.lisp-expr while on a different commit
2018-02-27T12:15:59Z stassats: scymtym_: i did just make-target-1.sh on that commit and the rest of the build from the previous commit, it doesn't fail
2018-02-27T12:17:26Z stassats: changing version.lisp-expr does make it fail
2018-02-27T12:17:39Z Xof: well that's exciting
2018-02-27T12:18:01Z stassats: have you ever seen that?
2018-02-27T12:19:55Z Xof: no
2018-02-27T12:20:21Z stassats: i need to reproduce this elsewhere, it's too crazy
2018-02-27T12:20:41Z Xof: can you get execution traces to find the first place where they differ?
2018-02-27T12:21:28Z Xof: I remember the ppc build crashing intermittently, which we eventually tracked down to the exact memory location of call_into_lisp and a busted assembly sequence (getting one bit in the address wrong, sometimes)
2018-02-27T12:21:40Z Xof: but just the git hash?  No
2018-02-27T12:22:12Z stassats: trying with a different commit and the same hash
2018-02-27T12:22:39Z stassats: probably the build directory path will also affect it
2018-02-27T12:22:41Z Xof: I vaguely remember something length-related (e.g. 1.3.x.y.debianz failing where 1.3.x didn't)
2018-02-27T12:23:20Z Xof: the build directory path is a possibility but the build is mostly independent of build directory.  (I should probably finish the work and make it fully-independent)
2018-02-27T12:23:36Z Xof: I think only src/runtime is affected by build directory, but this sounds like a src/runtime problem
2018-02-27T12:24:01Z stassats: 9caee9b7ae4fff7d47261d1e01936fcec07a105d + 1.4.4.167-ef4035bab does fail, so it's not the last three commits
2018-02-27T12:24:56Z stassats: moving it to /tmp and rebuilding
2018-02-27T12:27:15Z stassats: /tmp/sbcl also fails
2018-02-27T12:29:11Z stassats: maybe there are some hidden fasls somewhere
2018-02-27T12:29:31Z stassats: not in .cache/...
2018-02-27T12:30:40Z stassats: is mcclim loading swank?
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2018-02-27T12:30:57Z scymtym_: i observed that too, yes
2018-02-27T12:31:03Z stassats: and it stores files into ~/.slime/fasl?
2018-02-27T12:31:11Z stassats: ok, that's not so crazy now
2018-02-27T12:32:54Z stassats: looks like that was it
2018-02-27T12:33:27Z stassats: *features-potentially-affecting-fasl-format* is deficient then
2018-02-27T12:33:37Z stassats: i think it's sb-dynamic-core
2018-02-27T12:35:56Z stassats: not going to check experimentally, just adding it
2018-02-27T12:36:29Z stassats: Xach: ok, it was a dud, can i have that tarball?
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2018-02-27T12:58:20Z Xach: ok
2018-02-27T13:00:13Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-27T13:00:14Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fancy,ubuntu_trusty_64bit build #3052: FIXED in 21 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fancy,label=ubuntu_trusty_64bit/3052/
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2018-02-27T13:02:51Z Xach: stassats: https://xach.com/tmp/build.tgz
2018-02-27T13:04:05Z stassats: Xach: where do i put it?
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2018-02-27T13:06:08Z stassats: put into local-projects, 37 seconds
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2018-02-27T18:08:36Z p_l: if I'd like to change representation of every compund object in SBCL, where I should start? (this includes CONS)
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2018-02-27T18:17:33Z pkhuong: p_l: start by drawing up your representation on paper and talk to people to understand all the hidden assumptions
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2018-02-27T18:21:21Z p_l: pkhuong: essentially was thinking of adding a forwarding pointer
2018-02-27T18:21:41Z p_l: then modifying apropriate VOPS to check it first
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2018-02-27T19:44:47Z stassats: p_l: don't
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2018-02-27T20:14:45Z Xach: Hmm
2018-02-27T20:14:55Z Xach: Maybe this problem has to do with run-program or something.
2018-02-27T20:15:37Z stassats: run-program can be slow at waiting
2018-02-27T20:16:01Z stassats: but how many programs does it launch?
2018-02-27T20:24:27Z Xach: Just one at a time.
2018-02-27T20:24:33Z Xach: And this only seems to affect mcclim systems.
2018-02-27T20:24:38Z Xach: There's a huge long pause at the end while it waits
2018-02-27T20:24:49Z stassats: one at a time, how many times?
2018-02-27T20:25:27Z stassats: it should add at most 1 second
2018-02-27T20:26:04Z stassats: is the new finalizer thread not ignoring sigchld?
2018-02-27T20:26:20Z Xach: One at a time for 80+ systems in mcclim
2018-02-27T20:27:35Z stassats: that would be 80 seconds at most
2018-02-27T20:29:40Z Xach: i seem to be in sub-sub-serve-event
2018-02-27T20:32:02Z Xach: for what seems like exactly 60 seconds at the end
2018-02-27T20:32:07Z Xach: 60 is very suspicious to me
2018-02-27T20:32:13Z Xach: like a default timeout of something
2018-02-27T20:32:21Z stassats: the default timeout is 1 second
2018-02-27T20:32:29Z stassats: for process-wait
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2018-02-27T20:36:42Z Xach: Hmm
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2018-02-27T20:37:37Z Xach: Something is introducing a consistent 60 second pause in mcclim stuff but not in other things.
2018-02-27T20:37:40Z Xach: I will dig some more
2018-02-27T20:38:43Z Xach: Ok, it looks like it is not in run-program.
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2018-02-27T20:41:41Z Xach: ok, stracing, i'm hung in a futex.
2018-02-27T20:41:49Z Xach: with a 60 second timeout
2018-02-27T20:41:57Z Xach: futex(0x1001d88048, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 4, {60, 0}
2018-02-27T20:42:24Z Xach: (there sure are a lot of lstats in the strace, but never mind those...)
2018-02-27T20:42:35Z Xach: futex(0x1001d88048, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 4, {60, 0}) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out)
2018-02-27T20:42:58Z Xach: stassats: can you suggest what to check next?
2018-02-27T20:43:35Z stassats: Xach: (sb-thread::thread-waiting-for  sb-thread:*current-thread*)
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2018-02-27T20:45:17Z Xach: stassats: where does that go?
2018-02-27T20:45:26Z stassats: when it waits
2018-02-27T20:46:07Z Xach: ok
2018-02-27T20:46:19Z stassats: are you launching new sbcl sub-processes?
2018-02-27T20:46:37Z Xach: stassats: it's a save-lisp-and-die'd binary.
2018-02-27T20:46:46Z Xach: stassats: the futex timeout happens when i run it directly
2018-02-27T20:47:06Z Xach: i will add the thread-waiting-for bit and rebuild it and retry
2018-02-27T20:47:12Z stassats: does it have any threads?
2018-02-27T20:47:16Z Xach: stassats: not normally
2018-02-27T20:47:21Z Xach: not that i introduce
2018-02-27T20:47:38Z Xach: the binary loads an asdf system, prints to some files, and exits
2018-02-27T20:47:41Z stassats: ok, i have a hunch
2018-02-27T20:47:49Z Xach: of course, anything could happen when loading an .asd
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2018-02-27T20:49:14Z Xach: I put the thread-waiting-for bit as the last form of the program, it returned NIL.
2018-02-27T20:49:26Z Xach: Happy to try anything you suggest
2018-02-27T20:53:24Z Xach: well, must run for a bit
2018-02-27T20:53:29Z stassats: i can't reproduce, but i can see at least one potential problem with the finalizer thread
2018-02-27T20:55:49Z stassats: ok, that seems to be addressed
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2018-02-27T21:14:16Z stassats: Xach: got it
2018-02-27T21:19:04Z Xach: stassats: anything i can try? git pull and rebuild?
2018-02-27T21:19:17Z stassats: only after i fix it
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2018-02-27T21:22:03Z Xach: ok
2018-02-27T21:23:56Z stassats: Xach: now you can
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2018-02-28T08:27:02Z smokeink: (define-vop (signed-unop fast-safe-arith-op)  (:args (x :scs (signed-reg) :target res))  ... <- what does :target res  do ?
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2018-02-28T08:30:53Z smokeink: does it mean "if possible, we’d like x to be allocated the same register as the result res"?
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2018-02-28T08:51:08Z Xof: Xach: are things looking better now?
2018-02-28T08:52:24Z scymtym: Xach: most likely because mcclim registers a finalizer that is scheduled for execution as a result of gc - that is the condition under which the finalization thread is started
2018-02-28T08:56:28Z Xof: February is the shortest month
2018-02-28T08:57:06Z Xof: so short that I have not done anything about the build/release automation that doesn't work.  scymtym, will you be in a position later to do a manual manual upload?
2018-02-28T08:59:12Z scymtym: Xof: if sourceforge still works in that regard, then yes. hold on, i can quickly check whether i have access
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2018-02-28T09:01:39Z Xof: well, I guess if you don't have access then neither does my script, so...
2018-02-28T09:01:44Z scymtym: Xof: i can access the directory but i don't have permission to change anything. sourceforge may have messed up the user ids
2018-02-28T09:02:42Z Xof: oh boy
2018-02-28T09:02:56Z Xof: ok, I will see what happens when we get to that point in the build
2018-02-28T09:05:26Z Xof: if this strike continues, I will have some time next week and the week after to work on these things.
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2018-02-28T09:37:19Z Xof: well, looks like I have permission to upload the manual
2018-02-28T09:37:52Z Xof: so now I need to work out how to build it on this computer instead of that computer
2018-02-28T09:41:29Z scymtym: Xof: i think your texinfo is too old. it didn't concatenate the css files
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2018-02-28T09:51:33Z Xof: yes
2018-02-28T09:51:40Z Xof: which is natural; it's squeeze
2018-02-28T09:52:18Z Xof: it's just that I've not built sbcl-page on my actual computer, so it will take a moment to assemble the pieces
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2018-02-28T10:06:25Z Xof: ok, manual upload done
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2018-02-28T10:30:01Z scymtym: stassats: EVAL-WHEN-COMPILE-TOPLEVEL is still exported from SB-KERNEL but no longer defined. will it be resurrected or can the export be removed?
2018-02-28T10:31:04Z Xof: scymtym: I am confused; I don't see why you shouldn't have been able to update things
2018-02-28T10:31:22Z Xof: I think it might be that the unix permission bits are lies, mind you
2018-02-28T10:32:56Z scymtym: Xof: i tried to touch a file and wasn't allowed to. which access method are you using? sftp?
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2018-02-28T11:00:13Z stassats: scymtym: i don't know, dougk_ removed it, no idea if it'll ever be needed
2018-02-28T11:00:25Z stassats: but it's gone now, so it shouldn't be exported
2018-02-28T11:01:56Z stassats: Xof: sourceforge i stupid and can't search projects unless they are tagged for the platform, can you edit the tags somewhere?
2018-02-28T11:02:09Z stassats: or give me admin access, so i can try
2018-02-28T11:03:07Z stassats: it seems to be better now at searching, though add mac and windows tags will still be a good idea
2018-02-28T11:13:52Z Xof: scymtym: rsync
2018-02-28T11:16:15Z scymtym: Xof: that may be the reason, then. i don't want to investigate right now
2018-02-28T11:16:45Z Xof: fine
2018-02-28T11:16:59Z Xof: stassats: not sure where to add tags
2018-02-28T11:17:17Z stassats: me neither, but i don't have an admin interface
2018-02-28T11:17:31Z Xof: oh wait maybe here it is
2018-02-28T11:18:05Z stassats: ok, i see "BSD Windows Mac Linux"
2018-02-28T11:18:11Z stassats: what about solaris? hp-ux?
2018-02-28T11:18:47Z Xof: ok done
2018-02-28T11:19:01Z Xof: I added windows, os x, wine and mingw
2018-02-28T11:19:06Z Xof: we already had "generic POSIX"
2018-02-28T11:19:53Z Xof: have to go and participate in demonstration now
2018-02-28T11:19:56Z Xof: back later
2018-02-28T11:21:06Z stassats: doing JNE #x21B00440 seems to be breaking things
2018-02-28T11:26:12Z stassats: looks like sb!vm::collect-immobile-code-relocs needs to be adjusted
2018-02-28T11:36:58Z stassats: except that i have no idea how to make it work now
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2018-02-28T11:58:32Z corci: Yippee, build fixed!
2018-02-28T11:58:32Z corci: Project sbcl-master » fasteval,MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit build #3056: FIXED in 40 min: http://ci.cor-lab.de/job/sbcl-master/featureset=fasteval,label=MAC_OS_mavericks_64bit/3056/
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2018-02-28T12:14:56Z Xach: Xof: cl-curlex is still broken, but I don't think the author cares much any more
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2018-02-28T16:00:58Z Xof: thanks, Xach
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2018-02-28T16:05:37Z stassats: tried to change ARRAY header-data the other day, without success, maybe i should try doing it step by step as well
2018-02-28T16:05:46Z stassats: not modifying everything at once
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2018-02-28T22:18:43Z Ven``: Hi, seems like sbcl.org doesn't load here. Is that known?
2018-02-28T22:19:56Z stassats: it is known that sourceforge is being run by a bunch of amateurs
2018-02-28T22:20:25Z Ven``: Is that a surprise in 2018?
2018-02-28T22:21:18Z Ven``: I'll find how to get a debugger in --script/--load like way someplace else ty
2018-02-28T22:21:40Z stassats: you need the manual?
2018-02-28T22:21:50Z stassats: https://sbcl.github.io/ has it
2018-02-28T22:22:10Z Ven``: The manual can probably help me enable debugger even with --load, yes :). Thanks
2018-02-28T22:22:28Z stassats: --load doesn't disable the debugger
2018-02-28T22:23:50Z Ven``: Ah, I see. It must be because it's in a thread then.
2018-02-28T22:24:04Z stassats: --script does disable
2018-02-28T22:24:58Z Ven``: "debugger invoked on a TYPE-ERROR in thread" does seem to point out that the debugger isn't actually available because it happens in a thread
2018-02-28T22:25:31Z stassats: why is the debugger messed up? is get-foreground not enough?
2018-02-28T22:25:43Z stassats: is it even using get-foreground
2018-02-28T22:25:55Z Ven`` has no clue what they're doing, to be honest.
2018-02-28T22:26:53Z stassats: i'm just talking out loud
2018-02-28T22:27:12Z Ven``: Er, obviously, trying to find how to "enable" the debugger for all threads has a post on sourceforge
2018-02-28T22:30:10Z stassats: just debug it in slime
2018-02-28T22:31:59Z stassats: sb!thread::debugger-wait-until-foreground-thread never returns, nice
2018-02-28T22:32:16Z Shinmera: When run from the console the debugger never hits for threads other than zero, yeah
2018-02-28T22:32:26Z Shinmera: I thought that was intentional, so I never reported it.
2018-02-28T22:32:48Z stassats: well, everyone knows about it anyway
2018-02-28T22:33:25Z Ven``: I'll try to replicate my setup under SLIME at some point
2018-02-28T22:33:27Z stassats: debugging multiple threads is cumbersome anyway, but it's pretending to do something
2018-02-28T22:33:42Z stassats: cumbersome in the console, that is
2018-02-28T22:34:02Z Ven``: :(
2018-02-28T22:37:12Z stassats: well, i'm never going to be debugging multiple threads in the console, why should i bother fixing it then
2018-02-28T22:37:15Z Ven``: Ugh, I just wish a certain package author wouldn't try to do everything, only to let them rot :\. Thanks for the help. I give up for tonight, I'll try again at some point, with SLIME correctly set up.
2018-02-28T22:37:42Z stassats: i think it can actually work with multiple threads entering the debugger, and all of that, but i'm not going to be the one implementing that
2018-02-28T22:38:52Z stassats: Ven``: you can do (sb-thread:release-foreground) in the main thread
2018-02-28T22:39:19Z Ven``: stassats: I'm launching the file via --load, the thread is created via a 3rd party lib. Seems too cumbersome.
2018-02-28T22:39:31Z Ven``: I was just trying to launch a script with the debugger. I'll try harder at some other point.
2018-02-28T22:39:33Z stassats: well, do (sb-thread:release-foreground) in the --load file
2018-02-28T22:40:21Z Ven``: okay, thanks
2018-02-28T22:41:11Z Ven``: well, the same thing happens.
2018-02-28T22:41:39Z stassats: does the --load file return?
2018-02-28T22:41:52Z Ven``: no.
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2018-02-28T22:43:05Z Ven``: It's really just a script I'm trying to debug, so it doesn't return.
2018-02-28T22:43:43Z stassats: putting (sb-thread:release-foreground) at the beginning should help
2018-02-28T22:44:28Z Ven``: I did try :\. But I get the same error printed, and it doesn't lower me into the debugger
2018-02-28T22:44:45Z stassats: what's going on in the main thread?
2018-02-28T22:45:05Z Ven``: er, nothing. it launches an event loop (which has its own thread) and waits for it.
2018-02-28T22:46:02Z stassats: when i put (sb-thread:release-foreground) (sb-thread:join-thread  (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda () x))) into a file it gets to the debugger
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2018-02-28T22:47:12Z Ven``: the main thread is sleeping when the error occurs i think
2018-02-28T22:47:15Z Ven``: probably doesn't help.
2018-02-28T22:48:43Z stassats: (unrelated to this) ;; (See comment preceding the definition of SCRUB-CONTROL-STACK.)
2018-02-28T22:48:50Z stassats: and there's no comment before scrub-control-stack! ugh
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2018-02-28T22:55:01Z stassats: stupid sourceforge git doesn't work either
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